And unable to do our own trade deals as Turkey cannot.
Which would still totally destroy the kind of Brexit Richard Tyndall wants due to a PM Starmer. If he was not so bloody minded about Boris and showed a bit of gratitude to the PM for once he might realise this
What trade deals? We have signed continuity trade deals to roll over the deals we already had as EU members. We have signed a prospective deal with Aus/NZ which is massively preferential to them when they eventually take effect in the 2030s. America has told us to go fuck ourselves - there are no major new trade deals in the offing.
You can't feed your children sovvrinty. You can feed them food you have freely imported. We can go back to being able to do that by dropping the red tape bureaucratic trade bullshit we've just imposed.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
This seems unlikely to be true. Amazon will go bust tomorrow if it is.
Clearly is true, given that Amazon held its hands up and said they'd fixed it. Problem seems to be the trawling algorithm isn't properly screened.
Hang on. How could anything or anybody recommend messing about with mains electricity.
It clearly is not true.
Alexa did an internet search in response to the question. It found a page that had a stupidly dangerous challenge that had been SEO optimised to appear as a top result for searches for "challenges".
It is pretty straightforward what has happened here.
Another reason to be thankful for the British Mains system. Our 3 pin plug makes it impossible to do this challenge. It won't stop you stepping on the upturned plug in the dark though, which is very painful.
London 60+ case rates has hit the same levels it did during January this year.
We will shortly know how damaging Omicron is in a way that finally will be inarguable as to how it applies to Britain.
With the caveat that all London numbers will, presumably, need to be corrected to allow for higher vaccine refusal rates, before we can use them to attempt to project the progress of Omicron elsewhere?
Drop in ventilated patients in England. Until we get the breakdown of incidental admissions vs non-incidental admissions that's probably the best proxy stat we have for Omicron hospitalisations.
We're well past the point where the Omicron wave would be causing a big increase in this number. With Delta it was just 7 or 8 days until the number began shooting up.
There are hints of hospital admissions increasing on the dashboard (just updated). Is there a chance Omichron takes a bit longer to start really hurting people? To progress into the lungs?
The big question is how many positive tests haven't made their way into the data so far - anecdotally, 5 day delays on PCRs here in Scotland.
Until we get the breakdown we won't know what was because of COVID or people who registered a positive test and also needed hospital treatment for something else. The ventilated patients stat is currently the best proxy IMO as those are all because of COVID.
Agreed. In the same way that excess deaths are the ultimate data for measuring this.
Just wondered if there was something fundamentally different about Omi which makes it more of a sleeper virus that causes issues later on (playing Devil's advocate).
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
Good luck Malc, hope it's not too serious and you and your daughter are able to beat it soon.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
A timely and comprehensive demolition of @HYUFD musings
No demolition at all. Just he is completely naive about what a Starmer premiership would mean for his Brexit
Of course it is, but you have no ability to understand that others have far more knowledge of a subject you set yourself up as an expert on and embarrass yourself when called out
I bow to the oracle of all Tyndall then.
So wise at the failings of Boris who has still given him the Brexit he largely wants, he may end up with a UK outside the single market (so still no FOM to appease the redwall) but in a customs union with the EU under a PM Starmer. Exactly the Brexit he does not want!
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
We would neither need nor benefit from any sort of Customs Union with the EU. The EFTA countries get on perfectly well without one. Indeed the benefit of it to Turkey is marginal at best and the only reason they persist is their hope of eventual admission to the EU. They have, on a number of occasions discussed ending the customs arrangements because they are so bad for Turkish trade and it is only the carrot of EU membership that keeps them in.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
London 60+ case rates has hit the same levels it did during January this year.
We will shortly know how damaging Omicron is in a way that finally will be inarguable as to how it applies to Britain.
With the caveat that all London numbers will, presumably, need to be corrected to allow for higher vaccine refusal rates, before we can use them to attempt to project the progress of Omicron elsewhere?
London's high vaccine refusal is an utter disgrace
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
We would neither need nor benefit from any sort of Customs Union with the EU. The EFTA countries get on perfectly well without one. Indeed the benefit of it to Turkey is marginal at best and the only reason they persist is their hope of eventual admission to the EU. They have, on a number of occasions discussed ending the customs arrangements because they are so bad for Turkish trade and it is only the carrot of EU membership that keeps them in.
We are about to slam the door shut on viable food imports and exports. The paperwork changes coming in on Saturday are going to do Bad Things. Being able to remove all of these customs checks is very much something we need and will benefit from.
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
And then the French push through an EU regulation designed to hit the UK.
Let’s say that any car manufactured needs an emissions certificate issued in Poitiers* and can’t be sold until it gets one.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
A timely and comprehensive demolition of @HYUFD musings
No demolition at all. Just he is completely naive about what a Starmer premiership would mean for his Brexit
Of course it is, but you have no ability to understand that others have far more knowledge of a subject you set yourself up as an expert on and embarrass yourself when called out
I bow to the oracle of all Tyndall then.
So wise at the failings of Boris who has still given him the Brexit he largely wants, he may end up with a UK outside the single market (so still no FOM to appease the redwall) but in a customs union with the EU under a PM Starmer. Exactly the Brexit he does not want!
There is one word often used in Scotland to describe your musings
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
We would neither need nor benefit from any sort of Customs Union with the EU. The EFTA countries get on perfectly well without one. Indeed the benefit of it to Turkey is marginal at best and the only reason they persist is their hope of eventual admission to the EU. They have, on a number of occasions discussed ending the customs arrangements because they are so bad for Turkish trade and it is only the carrot of EU membership that keeps them in.
We are about to slam the door shut on viable food imports and exports. The paperwork changes coming in on Saturday are going to do Bad Things. Being able to remove all of these customs checks is very much something we need and will benefit from.
No. What would help would be being in the Single Market. An EFTA type arrangement with the EEA would be sufficient to remove almost all of the paperwork, just as it does for them. Membership of the Customs Union is unnecessary and in our case would be very counter productive.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
It’s the lung issues that kill people in the main. Still a good proxy for death rates.
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
I think you are Valentin Bondarenko and I claim my £10.
Drop in ventilated patients in England. Until we get the breakdown of incidental admissions vs non-incidental admissions that's probably the best proxy stat we have for Omicron hospitalisations.
We're well past the point where the Omicron wave would be causing a big increase in this number. With Delta it was just 7 or 8 days until the number began shooting up.
There are hints of hospital admissions increasing on the dashboard (just updated). Is there a chance Omichron takes a bit longer to start really hurting people? To progress into the lungs?
The big question is how many positive tests haven't made their way into the data so far - anecdotally, 5 day delays on PCRs here in Scotland.
Until we get the breakdown we won't know what was because of COVID or people who registered a positive test and also needed hospital treatment for something else. The ventilated patients stat is currently the best proxy IMO as those are all because of COVID.
Agreed. In the same way that excess deaths are the ultimate data for measuring this.
Just wondered if there was something fundamentally different about Omi which makes it more of a sleeper virus that causes issues later on (playing Devil's advocate).
Still reckon we'll get >200,000 cases, specimen.
I slept badly last night - must have been a consequence of listening to the final rites of the Third Test - and had a mild nightmare in which Omicron ended up being a sleeper virus that was fatal to more than half of those who caught it three months after infection. Those people who were on a countdown to almost certain death did not go quietly in the story in my dream. Anyway, the effect was seen first in South Africa, of course, but I would guess there's no sign of a sting in the tail yet, because there doesn't seem to be any interest in the situation in South Africa any more.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
I often agree with you and do so on this
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
This seems unlikely to be true. Amazon will go bust tomorrow if it is.
Clearly is true, given that Amazon held its hands up and said they'd fixed it. Problem seems to be the trawling algorithm isn't properly screened.
Hang on. How could anything or anybody recommend messing about with mains electricity.
It clearly is not true.
It sounds like Alexa was trawling the internet for "challenge", and came across a meme (like the Tide Pod eating thing). Seems not impossible.
It can't be true - Alexa is really so bad that if there's one place that says 'shoot yourself' it'll be a recomendation?
Yes.
Ok, that's easy to fix.
Is it? Without a human level artificial intelligence it will always be possible to craft adversarial input that gets round whatever laughable content filters Amazon put in place.
The problem here is they want Alexa to be a general lookup tool but cannot possibly hope to provide general level answers when you consider how much awful stuff there is on the Internet.
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
I think you are Valentin Bondarenko and I claim my £10.
Fixed that for you
This was a reference to a Daily Mirror competition of the 70s, seeking out a lookylikey carrying a copy of the Daily Mirrer in a particular seaside resort btw, nothing sinister.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
I think you are Lev Kamanev and I claim my £10.
Fixed that for you
This was a reference to a Daily Express competition of the 60s, seeking out a lookylikey carrying a copy of the Daily Expross in a particular inland resort btw, nothing sinister.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
I often agree with you and do so on this
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
How would the reset happen? Join a Customs Union with the EU like Starmer likely would and a move towards which toppled May? Rejoin the single market even?
Either would restart a civil war in the Tory party over the EU and Brexit and see defections to RefUK and a likely Farage return
Some of which will be with covid rather than due to covid (not that this is benign, there are major risks of anaesthesia in covid, so hip fracture and asymptomatic covid could be bad news indeed).
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
Incomplete and/or distorted by the holiday effects, presumably?
Some of the UK numbers that BigG has just quoted down thread are badly backdated as they're reported at the speed of the slowest contributing nation. The English admissions and total patient data are both now current and show a substantial rise over the last few days, but as you say we have no indication from these figures as to what percentage of those patients are sick from Covid or merely carrying it, and these numbers tell us nothing about the severity of the actual Covid cases - we'll presumably have to wait and see if the admissions feed through into a rise in ventilator bed occupancy to gauge that? - or whether the amount of time the less difficult cases are spending in hospital is falling.
This will all be very frustrating to the pro and anti restriction factions alike, but it looks as though we still need more data - which, presumably, is what the UK Government has elected to keep waiting for?
It'll also be interesting to see if the unvaccinated continue to account for a very high proportion of the most seriously ill. If the hospital situation does get a lot more difficult then the Government may soon be confronted with awkward choices about whether to impose more Covid crap on everyone, or to go easy on most of the population and opt for Draconian curbs on the refusers.
No it's option 3, deprioritise COVID treatment for vaccine refusers but don't say anything. Even if they go to the media about not getting NHS treatment there will be little sympathy for people who have refused the vaccine.
I have some sympathy for your frustration with the buggers, but hospital doctors are not going to euthanise them by stealth. They've consistently prioritised Covid care over everything else *and* shown no inclination to treat people in any way differently depending on vaccination status. The NHS is perfectly happy to hook refusers up to ventilators whilst abandoning other seriously ill people to die to make room for them.
If the Government wants refusers wheeled off into a tent in the hospital car park and put down then it will have to issue explicit orders to that effect, which the medical profession will disobey and the courts would most likely strike down in any event.
There are only two ways to approach the refuser problem: persist with gentle persuasion, which is agonizingly slow and probably won't do very much good, or find ways to make their lives so difficult that they give in. Except that measures so extreme that they would have the desired effect - basically stripping refusers of the right to work without vaccine certification - would almost certainly be vetoed by an alliance of Opposition parties and Tory libertarians.
So we're back to persuasion, or persuasion plus useless gestures like vaxports for restaurants, which will only provoke more heel digging without really hurting the refusers and, therefore, make the situation worse rather than better. Sadly, I think that patiently listening to their "concerns" and/or talking them out of their apathy is all we've got.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
That's why it's a key stat, if it doesn't affect the lungs then hospitalisations because of COVID will be a lot lower. People aren't going to be hospitalised because they sneeze and cough a bit.
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
I think you are Lev Kamanev and I claim my £10.
Fixed that for you
This was a reference to a Daily Express competition of the 60s, seeking out a lookylikey carrying a copy of the Daily Expross in a particular inland resort btw, nothing sinister.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
I often agree with you and do so on this
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
How would the reset happen? Join a Customs Union with the EU like Starmer likely would and a move towards which toppled May? Rejoin the single market even?
Either would restart a civil war in the Tory party over the EU and Brexit and see defections to RefUK and a likely Farage return
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
And the interactions with anaesthesia which you highlighted just now.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
PB pedantry: they'd call themselves the Catalunyan grannies - which was rather the point as I recall.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
But take out lung related issues from COVID admissions and it's not going to topple the NHS any time soon. It becomes just another background illness, and not much of a big deal at all to the triple vaccinated or previously infected.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declared UDI or held an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
PB pedantry: they'd call themselves the Catalunyan grannies - which was rather the point as I recall.
What's wrong with Alexa getting children to electrocute themselves? Death is a part of life. It's Darwinism. We shouldn't sacrifice our freedoms just to save the lives of a few people that would have walked in front of a bus or fell down an open drain anyway.
I think you are Lev Kamanev and I claim my £10.
Fixed that for you
This was a reference to a Daily Express competition of the 60s, seeking out a lookylikey carrying a copy of the Daily Expross in a particular inland resort btw, nothing sinister.
I know, I got the reference
Was it the express? thought it was the Mirror.
I joke. The Artist Formerly Known as [CENSORED] has let it be known that we should in no way ever talk about [CENSORED]. So in the style of Soviet airbrushing, I have corrected your words to the officially approved versions. It's what [CENSORED] would have wanted.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
Thanks. It is nice to have my impressions reinforced. I am content with my fascist label for you. I think almost uniquely on PB as well.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
Thanks. It is nice to have my impressions reinforced. I am content with my fascist label for you. I think almost uniquely on PB as well.
He's also the strongest Nationalist on PB as well.
As a Yorkshire man, I grew up with cricket in my blood, inherited from my father. I spent all of my childhood summers either playing cricket or wandering around Headingley.
But as a parent, I've failed miserably. I've never got my children remotely interested in cricket. They won't even know the Ashes is over today. Nothing but football. I've got them voting Labour, being decent folk, drinking beer etc. - all the things I love. Except cricket. I guess it's a generational thing, sadly.
I became a cricket fan entirely of my own accord, by watching it on BBC TV in the 1990s. No-one else in my family was interested in it in the slightest. But whenever I mentioned this to anyone, they were usually surprised. There seems to be an assumption by a lot of people that you only get interested in the game because another member of your family introduces you to it. I don't know why that is.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declared UDI or held an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
On that logic you, being a Remainer, should have demanded that the French and Germans etc send in their armies to prevent the Brexit referendum, because you didn't like the idea of a referendum for something you didn't like.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist. There is no other answer as you clearly oppose any trade deals we have outside the EU and opportunities for UK exporters. Instead you would just pull up the drawbridge outside the EU orbit and slam high tariffs on our trade with the rest of the world
Lol. What a twit. That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I asked you. Just answer the question I asked. Simple factual question. You are looking very silly now you have been unable to answer after 4 requests. This has nothing to do with what you think I am.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
I often agree with you and do so on this
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
How would the reset happen? Join a Customs Union with the EU like Starmer likely would and a move towards which toppled May? Rejoin the single market even?
Either would restart a civil war in the Tory party over the EU and Brexit and see defections to RefUK and a likely Farage return
Did you look up 'havering'
If anyone is havering with indecision it is you not me
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
I often agree with you and do so on this
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
How would the reset happen? Join a Customs Union with the EU like Starmer likely would and a move towards which toppled May? Rejoin the single market even?
Either would restart a civil war in the Tory party over the EU and Brexit and see defections to RefUK and a likely Farage return
Did you look up 'havering'
If anyone is havering with indecision it is you not me
So you didn't look it up. That's not what it means.
Some of which will be with covid rather than due to covid (not that this is benign, there are major risks of anaesthesia in covid, so hip fracture and asymptomatic covid could be bad news indeed).
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
Incomplete and/or distorted by the holiday effects, presumably?
Some of the UK numbers that BigG has just quoted down thread are badly backdated as they're reported at the speed of the slowest contributing nation. The English admissions and total patient data are both now current and show a substantial rise over the last few days, but as you say we have no indication from these figures as to what percentage of those patients are sick from Covid or merely carrying it, and these numbers tell us nothing about the severity of the actual Covid cases - we'll presumably have to wait and see if the admissions feed through into a rise in ventilator bed occupancy to gauge that? - or whether the amount of time the less difficult cases are spending in hospital is falling.
This will all be very frustrating to the pro and anti restriction factions alike, but it looks as though we still need more data - which, presumably, is what the UK Government has elected to keep waiting for?
It'll also be interesting to see if the unvaccinated continue to account for a very high proportion of the most seriously ill. If the hospital situation does get a lot more difficult then the Government may soon be confronted with awkward choices about whether to impose more Covid crap on everyone, or to go easy on most of the population and opt for Draconian curbs on the refusers.
No it's option 3, deprioritise COVID treatment for vaccine refusers but don't say anything. Even if they go to the media about not getting NHS treatment there will be little sympathy for people who have refused the vaccine.
I have some sympathy for your frustration with the buggers, but hospital doctors are not going to euthanise them by stealth. They've consistently prioritised Covid care over everything else *and* shown no inclination to treat people in any way differently depending on vaccination status. The NHS is perfectly happy to hook refusers up to ventilators whilst abandoning other seriously ill people to die to make room for them.
If the Government wants refusers wheeled off into a tent in the hospital car park and put down then it will have to issue explicit orders to that effect, which the medical profession will disobey and the courts would most likely strike down in any event.
There are only two ways to approach the refuser problem: persist with gentle persuasion, which is agonizingly slow and probably won't do very much good, or find ways to make their lives so difficult that they give in. Except that measures so extreme that they would have the desired effect - basically stripping refusers of the right to work without vaccine certification - would almost certainly be vetoed by an alliance of Opposition parties and Tory libertarians.
So we're back to persuasion, or persuasion plus useless gestures like vaxports for restaurants, which will only provoke more heel digging without really hurting the refusers and, therefore, make the situation worse rather than better. Sadly, I think that patiently listening to their "concerns" and/or talking them out of their apathy is all we've got.
In the first wave there was a minor kerfuffle over a triage scorecard determining who would receive treatment for Covid. You would get points for various factors on an infirmity scale, and the higher your score the more likely it would be that you would not be treated, if there was someone more likely to benefit from treatment (with a lower score).
Pretty sure it would be possible for the government and NHS to put together a similar set of triage guidelines that would prioritise care for cancer, and heart disease over Covid care for vaccine refusers, on the basis that the former were more likely to benefit from treatment that those who reject modern medical science. Also, if you were to open some specific standalone Covid wards (whether in a car park tent or not) then it's a simple matter of moving people to the appropriate wards and providing more resources to other wards in the hospital.
The NHS has always operated by rationing care with a system of queueing. It would not be difficult to change the prioritisation order for the queue to prioritise other patients above Covid patients. It's been done before to prioritise speedy cancer diagnostics and treatment ahead of other conditions. How many people will be demanding that vaccine refusers jump ahead of them in the queue for hospital treatment?
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
We'll do a bespoke deal, one that is far simpler than the Turkish one thanks to our total alignment with the EEA. We agree to drop all our red tape, they reciprocate, we mutually agree future arbitration should we diverge in the future. Which we won't.
Done.
If it was only that simple it would be the compromise that is needed
This administration can't make that compromise, but its successor can. Whether that is Sunak or Starmer. As with Covid there as so many glaring things to deal with that the Don't Look Up! mentality of the remaining spartans in the '22 won't be enough to stop Sunak.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
I often agree with you and do so on this
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
How would the reset happen? Join a Customs Union with the EU like Starmer likely would and a move towards which toppled May? Rejoin the single market even?
Either would restart a civil war in the Tory party over the EU and Brexit and see defections to RefUK and a likely Farage return
Did you look up 'havering'
If anyone is havering with indecision it is you not me
So you didn't look it up. That's not what it means.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist. There is no other answer as you clearly oppose any trade deals we have outside the EU and opportunities for UK exporters. Instead you would just pull up the drawbridge outside the EU orbit and slam high tariffs on our trade with the rest of the world
Lol. What a twit. That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I asked you. Just answer the question I asked. Simple factual question. You are looking very silly now you have been unable to answer after 4 requests. This has nothing to do with what you think I am.
It had everything to do with it. You opposed the UK trade deals with Australia, New Zealand etc and the opportunities provided for UK exporters because you are an EUphile protectionist. Free trade with the EU but pull up the drawbridge and ratchet up the tariffs outside it
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declared UDI or held an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
On that logic you, being a Remainer, should have demanded that the French and Germans etc send in their armies to prevent the Brexit referendum, because you didn't like the idea of a referendum for something you didn't like.
The EU have only themselves to blame for putting Article 16 in their constitution which provided the mechanism to exit the block the UK then used
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
PB pedantry: they'd call themselves the Catalunyan grannies - which was rather the point as I recall.
Apologies you are correct
Just thinking, actually, given the result of the referendum that some of those grannies smashed in the face were actually Spanish grannies voting to remain in Spain, to be fair. Not that it did them any good when the police came.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
I'm not aware of such things I am afraid. I can only speak to his dealings with me.
And even when he's disagreed with me politically and I think he does on almost every issue, he's never jumped on as many here have (and that is not just against me, I see it a lot against other people too).
I also appreciate his polling posts, he does a lot more than post "Starmer is crap" or "Boris is crap" like so many others do (I am not exempted from that - trying to do better).
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
But take out lung related issues from COVID admissions and it's not going to topple the NHS any time soon. It becomes just another background illness, and not much of a big deal at all to the triple vaccinated or previously infected.
Can the other symptoms occur independently of lung issues?
If so, that's a rather scary element of the virus I wasn't aware of, especially if it remains the case for Omi.
A sore throat then a sudden stroke. Eeeeek.
The anaesthetic thing was only brought to my attention pre-op. Scary stuff too, was nervous anyway.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
I'm not aware of such things I am afraid. I can only speak to his dealings with me.
And even when he's disagreed with me politically and I think he does on almost every issue, he's never jumped on as many here have (and that is not just against me, I see it a lot against other people too).
I also appreciate his polling posts, he does a lot more than post "Starmer is crap" or "Boris is crap" like so many others do (I am not exempted from that - trying to do better).
I'd appreciatde his polling posts a lot more if the Scottish ones weren't [edit] often distorted by fiddling (e.g. Scottish Greens are ignored as a pro-indy party, DKs are [edit] assumed to be unionist, etc.) That verges on propaganda rather than political science.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
Let's say in that alternate universe where Boris Johnson commits to David Cameron and REMAIN and somehow his personality and force of will affects the result so REMAIN wins 52-48.
As a loyal Conservative Party member and REMAIN supporter, you would doubtless welcome the result as a personal triumph for the Prime Minister and urge those who voted LEAVE to accept the result and get behind the Government.
Would David Cameron have served a full second term? He said he wouldn't so in the summer of 2018 (perhaps) he retires and I would imagine George Osborne would be the obvious successor. Osborne's allies in the party such as Matt Hancock are all promoted in the post-leadership election reshuffle with Boris Johnson becoming Foreign Secretary.
There's due to be an election in May 2020 but that's postponed by mutual agreement owing to the Covid crisis. There's extensive criticism of the vaccination rollout as we are constrained to move with the rest of the EU - would Osborne win a May 2021 election against Jeremy Corbyn?
I'll leave you to ponder that but the rest of it is plausible I think.
Plausible, but we would never have known that Johnson was the world-beating vaccination King, so the comparison with Europe wouldn't really be considered.
On the other hand Cameron/Osborn would have the opportunity to take action in an instant, not miss all those 2020 Cobra meetings and would be smart enough not to hold Christmas lockdown- busting parties. WE would be pushing towards the 100,000 fatality mark by now, which would concern Cameron/Osborn.
I would imagine the furlough scheme would have been based more on a minimum personal income to reduce the potential for fraud.
Corbyn in the meantime, couldn't get his head around what was going on and having to oppose for the sake of opposing might have attended a march with his brother...
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
Thanks. It is nice to have my impressions reinforced. I am content with my fascist label for you. I think almost uniquely on PB as well.
I vote not guilty. On Umberto Eco's "definition" of fascism, I score HYUFD as 4/14, which is far below the level I would expect for the charge to stick
"The Cult of Tradition" - no. HYUFD is obsessed with aspects of the past, but has not revealed a reflexive rejection of new learning. "The Rejection of modernism" - probably not. HYUFD has been much less vocal about post-Enlightenment philosophy than many others, and sits on the mildly conservative part of that spectrum "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake" - no. HYUFD is often vocally in favour of inaction. "Disagreement Is Treason" - yes, this typifies a lot of HYUFD's madder output "Fear of Difference" - no "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class" - sometimes, but not unusually so "Obsession with a Plot" - occasionally. HYUFD sees treason much more readily than others. Enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." - no "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" - partially. HYUFD often plugs into tropes about internal and external treason. "Contempt for the Weak" - no, I think HYUFD tends to be fairly ignorant and uncaring about the weak, but doesn't go out of his way to look down on them. "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero" - falls short. Militarist fantasies are not sufficient for this charge to stick. "Machismo" - partial. HYUFD strikes me as clearly sexist, but I haven't seen any homophobia. "Selective Populism" - definitely, but there's a lot of it about "Newspeak" - not really. The frequent abuse of statistics and deliberate logical evasions are not the same as deliberately impoverishing the language to prevent rational discourse.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
But take out lung related issues from COVID admissions and it's not going to topple the NHS any time soon. It becomes just another background illness, and not much of a big deal at all to the triple vaccinated or previously infected.
Can the other symptoms occur independently of lung issues?
If so, that's a rather scary element of the virus I wasn't aware of, especially if it remains the case for Omi.
A sore throat then a sudden stroke. Eeeeek.
The anaesthetic thing was only brought to my attention pre-op. Scary stuff too, was nervous anyway.
Quite. So complaining about someone dying of a stroke but being recorded as a Covid case isn't necessarily irrational, despite some views.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
Thanks. It is nice to have my impressions reinforced. I am content with my fascist label for you. I think almost uniquely on PB as well.
I vote not guilty. On Umberto Eco's "definition" of fascism, I score HYUFD as 4/14, which is far below the level I would expect for the charge to stick
"The Cult of Tradition" - no. HYUFD is obsessed with aspects of the past, but has not revealed a reflexive rejection of new learning. "The Rejection of modernism" - probably not. HYUFD has been much less vocal about post-Enlightenment philosophy than many others, and sits on the mildly conservative part of that spectrum "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake" - no. HYUFD is often vocally in favour of inaction. "Disagreement Is Treason" - yes, this typifies a lot of HYUFD's madder output "Fear of Difference" - no "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class" - sometimes, but not unusually so "Obsession with a Plot" - occasionally. HYUFD sees treason much more readily than others. Enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." - no "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" - partially. HYUFD often plugs into tropes about internal and external treason. "Contempt for the Weak" - no, I think HYUFD tends to be fairly ignorant and uncaring about the weak, but doesn't go out of his way to look down on them. "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero" - falls short. Militarist fantasies are not sufficient for this charge to stick. "Machismo" - partial. HYUFD strikes me as clearly sexist, but I haven't seen any homophobia. "Selective Populism" - definitely, but there's a lot of it about "Newspeak" - not really. The frequent abuse of statistics and deliberate logical evasions are not the same as deliberately impoverishing the language to prevent rational discourse.
Tyndall of course voted for UKIP too in 2015, I have never voted for a party right of the Tories unlike him
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declared UDI or held an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
On that logic you, being a Remainer, should have demanded that the French and Germans etc send in their armies to prevent the Brexit referendum, because you didn't like the idea of a referendum for something you didn't like.
The EU have only themselves to blame for putting Article 16 in their constitution which provided the mechanism to exit the block the UK then used
How dare they allow a mechanism for us to exercise our sovereignty!
And they even allowed a British lawyer to draft it!!
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
Thanks. It is nice to have my impressions reinforced. I am content with my fascist label for you. I think almost uniquely on PB as well.
I vote not guilty. On Umberto Eco's "definition" of fascism, I score HYUFD as 4/14, which is far below the level I would expect for the charge to stick
"The Cult of Tradition" - no. HYUFD is obsessed with aspects of the past, but has not revealed a reflexive rejection of new learning. "The Rejection of modernism" - probably not. HYUFD has been much less vocal about post-Enlightenment philosophy than many others, and sits on the mildly conservative part of that spectrum "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake" - no. HYUFD is often vocally in favour of inaction. "Disagreement Is Treason" - yes, this typifies a lot of HYUFD's madder output "Fear of Difference" - no "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class" - sometimes, but not unusually so "Obsession with a Plot" - occasionally. HYUFD sees treason much more readily than others. Enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." - no "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" - partially. HYUFD often plugs into tropes about internal and external treason. "Contempt for the Weak" - no, I think HYUFD tends to be fairly ignorant and uncaring about the weak, but doesn't go out of his way to look down on them. "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero" - falls short. Militarist fantasies are not sufficient for this charge to stick. "Machismo" - partial. HYUFD strikes me as clearly sexist, but I haven't seen any homophobia. "Selective Populism" - definitely, but there's a lot of it about "Newspeak" - not really. The frequent abuse of statistics and deliberate logical evasions are not the same as deliberately impoverishing the language to prevent rational discourse.
Tyndall of course voted for UKIP too in 2015, I have never voted for a party right of the Tories unlike him
It's not really about who you vote for, though, especially given the shifting nature of political parties. A 2015 UKIP vote was certainly not a vote for fascism, but I wouldn't be so definite about a 2021 vote for them. In any case, people vote for parties for the oddest of reasons and I prefer to judge people on their actions and words, rather than a second-order endorsement of a party's entire program on the basis of a single vote.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him. We don't hear a lot about him beyond his political POV (something which I respect) but there is somebody behind that keyboard and it can't be easy to have sometimes a lot of abuse coming your way.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declare UDI or hold an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017
Thanks. It is nice to have my impressions reinforced. I am content with my fascist label for you. I think almost uniquely on PB as well.
I vote not guilty. On Umberto Eco's "definition" of fascism, I score HYUFD as 4/14, which is far below the level I would expect for the charge to stick
"The Cult of Tradition" - no. HYUFD is obsessed with aspects of the past, but has not revealed a reflexive rejection of new learning. "The Rejection of modernism" - probably not. HYUFD has been much less vocal about post-Enlightenment philosophy than many others, and sits on the mildly conservative part of that spectrum "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake" - no. HYUFD is often vocally in favour of inaction. "Disagreement Is Treason" - yes, this typifies a lot of HYUFD's madder output "Fear of Difference" - no "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class" - sometimes, but not unusually so "Obsession with a Plot" - occasionally. HYUFD sees treason much more readily than others. Enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." - no "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" - partially. HYUFD often plugs into tropes about internal and external treason. "Contempt for the Weak" - no, I think HYUFD tends to be fairly ignorant and uncaring about the weak, but doesn't go out of his way to look down on them. "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero" - falls short. Militarist fantasies are not sufficient for this charge to stick. "Machismo" - partial. HYUFD strikes me as clearly sexist, but I haven't seen any homophobia. "Selective Populism" - definitely, but there's a lot of it about "Newspeak" - not really. The frequent abuse of statistics and deliberate logical evasions are not the same as deliberately impoverishing the language to prevent rational discourse.
Tyndall of course voted for UKIP too in 2015, I have never voted for a party right of the Tories unlike him
It's not really about who you vote for, though, especially given the shifting nature of political parties. A 2015 UKIP vote was certainly not a vote for fascism, but I wouldn't be so definite about a 2021 vote for them. In any case, people vote for parties for the oddest of reasons and I prefer to judge people on their actions and words, rather than a second-order endorsement of a party's entire program on the basis of a single vote.
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Quite. FWIW there are some right fruitloops on here but you've always struck me as being usually pretty innocuous. If that isn't too rude?
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declared UDI or held an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
On that logic you, being a Remainer, should have demanded that the French and Germans etc send in their armies to prevent the Brexit referendum, because you didn't like the idea of a referendum for something you didn't like.
The EU have only themselves to blame for putting Article 16 in their constitution which provided the mechanism to exit the block the UK then used
How dare they allow a mechanism for us to exercise our sovereignty!
And they even allowed a British lawyer to draft it!!
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Interesting - one if the logical faults I have with independence is why wouldn't you respect the wishes of the no-voting LAs? Especially tax paying Edinburgh...
Appreciate it's a silly argument but it stumped an SNP MSP who canvassed me in 2014, he countered with legal/religious/cultural border with England, which was a bit weak tbh. I think Edinburgh has far more in common with say Bristol than the Highlands.
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
Yum yum, what sausages have you gone for?
Sausage, chips and bacon here
Hello mate, I seem to have missed your posts recently but glad you are here again and hope you are keeping well
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
Yum yum, what sausages have you gone for?
Something from the community foodstore - a small local farm/meat company, not sure which one (there are two or three). Don't know what kind yet - chipolatas apparently, whatever that means apart from size (Mrs C bought them).
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
Yum yum, what sausages have you gone for?
Sausage, chips and bacon here
Hello mate, I seem to have missed your posts recently but glad you are here again and hope you are keeping well
Yes thank you. I had a prolonged break from PB and popped back for Xmas / NYr
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him. We don't hear a lot about him beyond his political POV (something which I respect) but there is somebody behind that keyboard and it can't be easy to have sometimes a lot of abuse coming your way.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
I'm trying not to get drawn into discussions like this, but HYUFD is one of the few posters to express happiness at upsetting others on this board. There's a couple who will do so when excited/drunk, and then think better of it later, but HYUFD is consistent about wanting to upset people he disagrees with.
179,807 new confirmed cases in France (previous record 104,611). Given that their testing rates are lower than ours, that's a hell of a lot. Let's hope their booster rollout has been enough to limit the fallout, but I fear they are in for a rough time. Some other European countries will be even worse, of course.
If your French is up to it, this long thread from a French emergency-care doctor is quite something:
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
You had your referendum in 2014, you voted to stay, it was meant to be once in a generation.
You are a supporter of the Scottish National Party, the clue is in the title
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Excellent idea. Will do so too. Sausages and beans and mash for us tonight.
Yum yum, what sausages have you gone for?
Something from the community foodstore - a small local farm/meat company, not sure which one (there are two or three). Don't know what kind yet - chipolatas apparently, whatever that means apart from size (Mrs C bought them).
That sounds delicious, just don't cremate them as I did the other day!
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist. There is no other answer as you clearly oppose any trade deals we have outside the EU and opportunities for UK exporters. Instead you would just pull up the drawbridge outside the EU orbit and slam high tariffs on our trade with the rest of the world
Lol. What a twit. That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I asked you. Just answer the question I asked. Simple factual question. You are looking very silly now you have been unable to answer after 4 requests. This has nothing to do with what you think I am.
It had everything to do with it. You opposed the UK trade deals with Australia, New Zealand etc and the opportunities provided for UK exporters because you are an EUphile protectionist. Free trade with the EU but pull up the drawbridge and ratchet up the tariffs outside it
No I didn't. I have never said so. You just made that up. I don't know enough about them to know if they are any good, but I approve of the idea of all free trade deals.
Now for the 5th time answer the question? Is there any chance that you don't know the answer? You don't do you? Admit it you have been posting about something you have no idea about?
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Interesting - one if the logical faults I have with independence is why wouldn't you respect the wishes of the no-voting LAs? Especially tax paying Edinburgh...
Appreciate it's a silly argument but it stumped an SNP MSP who canvassed me in 2014, he countered with legal/religious/cultural border with England, which was a bit weak tbh. I think Edinburgh has far more in common with say Bristol than the Highlands.
Scotland is indeed a single polity anyway, legally and constitutionally, much more so than many realise. The Acts of Union are the key legislation and one has to begin with that; one couldn't very well organise an independence referendum from Scotland till the country was independent. Simple as that.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
You had your referendum in 2014, you voted to stay, it was meant to be once in a generation.
You are a supporter of the Scottish National Party, the clue is in the title
National does not mean nationalist. You're a nationalist like the Spanish nacionalistas. I'm an independist like the Catalunyan independistas. We've been over this many times before.
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
But take out lung related issues from COVID admissions and it's not going to topple the NHS any time soon. It becomes just another background illness, and not much of a big deal at all to the triple vaccinated or previously infected.
Can the other symptoms occur independently of lung issues?
If so, that's a rather scary element of the virus I wasn't aware of, especially if it remains the case for Omi.
A sore throat then a sudden stroke. Eeeeek.
The anaesthetic thing was only brought to my attention pre-op. Scary stuff too, was nervous anyway.
Covid can cause a lot of Vascular issues. There is still a lot of unknown about this disease, why it goes to certain areas in the body and what it affects some people more than others.
Not to turn this into a love-in with @HYUFD but at least he doesn't pretend to not be anything other than a Tory unlike some others who seem to spend their whole time trying to pretend they're not, or that they're just about to quit the party for the third time this week...
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him. We don't hear a lot about him beyond his political POV (something which I respect) but there is somebody behind that keyboard and it can't be easy to have sometimes a lot of abuse coming your way.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
Thanks, of course your first paragraph certainly does not apply to BigG at all, no connection whatsoever....
Did we ever answer the question of whether omicron requires ventilation at all? Am concerned people are putting too much store on this metric for a strain which doesn't seem to affect the lungs.
If it doesn't affect the lungs then it's just a cold, no?
Apart from the myocarditis, strokes, renal failure etc...
But take out lung related issues from COVID admissions and it's not going to topple the NHS any time soon. It becomes just another background illness, and not much of a big deal at all to the triple vaccinated or previously infected.
Can the other symptoms occur independently of lung issues?
If so, that's a rather scary element of the virus I wasn't aware of, especially if it remains the case for Omi.
A sore throat then a sudden stroke. Eeeeek.
The anaesthetic thing was only brought to my attention pre-op. Scary stuff too, was nervous anyway.
Covid can cause a lot of Vascular issues. There is still a lot of unknown about this disease, why it goes to certain areas in the body and what it affects some people more than others.
Am I right in saying you work in a hospital? What is your view on the "incidental" admissions?
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Interesting - one if the logical faults I have with independence is why wouldn't you respect the wishes of the no-voting LAs? Especially tax paying Edinburgh...
Appreciate it's a silly argument but it stumped an SNP MSP who canvassed me in 2014, he countered with legal/religious/cultural border with England, which was a bit weak tbh. I think Edinburgh has far more in common with say Bristol than the Highlands.
Scotland is indeed a single polity anyway, legally and constitutionally, much more so than many realise. The Acts of Union are the key legislation and one has to begin with that; one couldn't very well organise an independence referendum from Scotland till the country was independent. Simple as that.
Fair, and I agree, but the fundamental democracy thing isn't fully addressed IMO.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist. There is no other answer as you clearly oppose any trade deals we have outside the EU and opportunities for UK exporters. Instead you would just pull up the drawbridge outside the EU orbit and slam high tariffs on our trade with the rest of the world
Lol. What a twit. That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I asked you. Just answer the question I asked. Simple factual question. You are looking very silly now you have been unable to answer after 4 requests. This has nothing to do with what you think I am.
It had everything to do with it. You opposed the UK trade deals with Australia, New Zealand etc and the opportunities provided for UK exporters because you are an EUphile protectionist. Free trade with the EU but pull up the drawbridge and ratchet up the tariffs outside it
No I didn't. I have never said so. You just made that up. I don't know enough about them to know if they are any good, but I approve of the idea of all free trade deals.
Now for the 5th time answer the question? Is there any chance that you don't know the answer? You don't do you? Admit it you have been posting about something you have no idea about?
You don't approve of them, you have made clear you oppose the main trade deals the UK has negotiated it did not have in the EU
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Wow, that's harsh. But fair.
I will admit that HYUFD brings out the worst in me. I can accept we may differ on basic political matters just as I do with many other PB regulars who I otherwise get along with extremely well. But almost uniquely on here I consider him to be what I would refer to as a 'bad' person. His willingness to support and advocate the use of force and violence against people he differs with politically puts him beyond the pale for me. Even if he is not entirely serious, his advocacy for such action makes him someone I believe worthy of utter contempt. It all goes back to the Spanish Grandmothers originally but that has set the tone for his more recent pronouncements and my responses.
Do I care? No, if Nationalists rioted and tried and declared UDI or held an indyref without UK government consent the full force of the state would need to be used to stop them.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
On that logic you, being a Remainer, should have demanded that the French and Germans etc send in their armies to prevent the Brexit referendum, because you didn't like the idea of a referendum for something you didn't like.
The EU have only themselves to blame for putting Article 16 in their constitution which provided the mechanism to exit the block the UK then used
How dare they allow a mechanism for us to exercise our sovereignty!
And they even allowed a British lawyer to draft it!!
Some of which will be with covid rather than due to covid (not that this is benign, there are major risks of anaesthesia in covid, so hip fracture and asymptomatic covid could be bad news indeed).
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
Incomplete and/or distorted by the holiday effects, presumably?
Some of the UK numbers that BigG has just quoted down thread are badly backdated as they're reported at the speed of the slowest contributing nation. The English admissions and total patient data are both now current and show a substantial rise over the last few days, but as you say we have no indication from these figures as to what percentage of those patients are sick from Covid or merely carrying it, and these numbers tell us nothing about the severity of the actual Covid cases - we'll presumably have to wait and see if the admissions feed through into a rise in ventilator bed occupancy to gauge that? - or whether the amount of time the less difficult cases are spending in hospital is falling.
This will all be very frustrating to the pro and anti restriction factions alike, but it looks as though we still need more data - which, presumably, is what the UK Government has elected to keep waiting for?
It'll also be interesting to see if the unvaccinated continue to account for a very high proportion of the most seriously ill. If the hospital situation does get a lot more difficult then the Government may soon be confronted with awkward choices about whether to impose more Covid crap on everyone, or to go easy on most of the population and opt for Draconian curbs on the refusers.
No it's option 3, deprioritise COVID treatment for vaccine refusers but don't say anything. Even if they go to the media about not getting NHS treatment there will be little sympathy for people who have refused the vaccine.
I have some sympathy for your frustration with the buggers, but hospital doctors are not going to euthanise them by stealth. They've consistently prioritised Covid care over everything else *and* shown no inclination to treat people in any way differently depending on vaccination status. The NHS is perfectly happy to hook refusers up to ventilators whilst abandoning other seriously ill people to die to make room for them.
If the Government wants refusers wheeled off into a tent in the hospital car park and put down then it will have to issue explicit orders to that effect, which the medical profession will disobey and the courts would most likely strike down in any event.
There are only two ways to approach the refuser problem: persist with gentle persuasion, which is agonizingly slow and probably won't do very much good, or find ways to make their lives so difficult that they give in. Except that measures so extreme that they would have the desired effect - basically stripping refusers of the right to work without vaccine certification - would almost certainly be vetoed by an alliance of Opposition parties and Tory libertarians.
So we're back to persuasion, or persuasion plus useless gestures like vaxports for restaurants, which will only provoke more heel digging without really hurting the refusers and, therefore, make the situation worse rather than better. Sadly, I think that patiently listening to their "concerns" and/or talking them out of their apathy is all we've got.
In the first wave there was a minor kerfuffle over a triage scorecard determining who would receive treatment for Covid. You would get points for various factors on an infirmity scale, and the higher your score the more likely it would be that you would not be treated, if there was someone more likely to benefit from treatment (with a lower score).
Pretty sure it would be possible for the government and NHS to put together a similar set of triage guidelines that would prioritise care for cancer, and heart disease over Covid care for vaccine refusers, on the basis that the former were more likely to benefit from treatment that those who reject modern medical science. Also, if you were to open some specific standalone Covid wards (whether in a car park tent or not) then it's a simple matter of moving people to the appropriate wards and providing more resources to other wards in the hospital.
The NHS has always operated by rationing care with a system of queueing. It would not be difficult to change the prioritisation order for the queue to prioritise other patients above Covid patients. It's been done before to prioritise speedy cancer diagnostics and treatment ahead of other conditions. How many people will be demanding that vaccine refusers jump ahead of them in the queue for hospital treatment?
Unlimited, unconditional care for vaccine refusers in a pandemic is expensive. If our commitment to this means that we experience substantial economic and social harm; then the principles of why such care is provided should be examined, and perhaps ultimately changed. Particularly if the provision of such care directly leads to other avoidable deaths. That is the point where the current system of healthcare provision has lost all coherance.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Interesting - one if the logical faults I have with independence is why wouldn't you respect the wishes of the no-voting LAs? Especially tax paying Edinburgh...
Appreciate it's a silly argument but it stumped an SNP MSP who canvassed me in 2014, he countered with legal/religious/cultural border with England, which was a bit weak tbh. I think Edinburgh has far more in common with say Bristol than the Highlands.
Scotland is indeed a single polity anyway, legally and constitutionally, much more so than many realise. The Acts of Union are the key legislation and one has to begin with that; one couldn't very well organise an independence referendum from Scotland till the country was independent. Simple as that.
Fair, and I agree, but the fundamental democracy thing isn't fully addressed IMO.
Partition by the British state in the event of a successful referendum is one thing, as it would be intervention and indeed territorial aggression; letting the Scots sort out their differences is another matter, and it would be very difficult to argue against the democracy thing in those circumstances.
To be fair to @HYUFD whilst I don't agree with using force whatsoever and I'd oppose it in the strongest terms, at least he's not ever nasty to other people or jumps down their throats. I've only ever had pleasant dealings with him which is a lot more than can be said about those who are pretending to be holier than though by attacking him now.
He's accused me of some fairly nasty things, including at least one serious crime. Certainly in his view. If that's being polite ...
Some people on here who are centre left like CHB and NP I like even though I disagree with them most of the time.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
See, you're doing it right now this very minute. I'm not an ultranationalist - I'm a pro-independence centrist dad. you are the ultranationalist in the sense that you refuse to tolerate any independence movements within the UK or to allow any referenda on the matter. You are subversive of democracy and politics. I'd be sorry if Dumfriesshire decided to leave an independent Scotland but that would be the way it goes. If I were an ultranationalist I'd be sending on the police, tanks, etc. You see?
Interesting - one if the logical faults I have with independence is why wouldn't you respect the wishes of the no-voting LAs? Especially tax paying Edinburgh...
Appreciate it's a silly argument but it stumped an SNP MSP who canvassed me in 2014, he countered with legal/religious/cultural border with England, which was a bit weak tbh. I think Edinburgh has far more in common with say Bristol than the Highlands.
Scotland is indeed a single polity anyway, legally and constitutionally, much more so than many realise. The Acts of Union are the key legislation and one has to begin with that; one couldn't very well organise an independence referendum from Scotland till the country was independent. Simple as that.
I don't know about that. Wasn't there an SNP MSP who suggested that Berwick upon Tweed should join Scotland, and even considered standing in Berwick constituency at the 2015 GE? Dumfriesshire - to go with that example - could theoretically leave Scotland to join England, even if the two remained in the UK.
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You can't feed your children sovvrinty. You can feed them food you have freely imported. We can go back to being able to do that by dropping the red tape bureaucratic trade bullshit we've just imposed.
Lots of partial data. The underlying situation is that the
- Cases *seem* to be still slowing down in increase.
- Admissions are heading up, very strongly in London.
- Deaths are still going down.
Done.
Just wondered if there was something fundamentally different about Omi which makes it more of a sleeper virus that causes issues later on (playing Devil's advocate).
Still reckon we'll get >200,000 cases, specimen.
So wise at the failings of Boris who has still given him the Brexit he largely wants, he may end up with a UK outside the single market (so still no FOM to appease the redwall) but in a customs union with the EU under a PM Starmer. Exactly the Brexit he does not want!
Just to highlight that the nosediving Scotland figures are a result of much later reporting up here.
And to reiterate that there are significant delays on PCR results in Scotland, both anecdotally (family) and in what Leitch had been saying.
Remember that cutting Red Tape, armies of Bureaucrats and Costs on Business is what the Tory party used to be about, with decades-long battles fought to abolish all of those. that they have piled all of them back on hugely, with no purpose or benefit is surely an aberation that will pass.
Let’s say that any car manufactured needs an emissions certificate issued in Poitiers* and can’t be sold until it gets one.
And we can’t do anything about it.
* chosen for a reason.
'Havering'
Please look it up
I fervently hope Boris going will see us reset our relationship with the EU and hopefully with Rishi
Either would restart a civil war in the Tory party over the EU and Brexit and see defections to RefUK and a likely Farage return
If the Government wants refusers wheeled off into a tent in the hospital car park and put down then it will have to issue explicit orders to that effect, which the medical profession will disobey and the courts would most likely strike down in any event.
There are only two ways to approach the refuser problem: persist with gentle persuasion, which is agonizingly slow and probably won't do very much good, or find ways to make their lives so difficult that they give in. Except that measures so extreme that they would have the desired effect - basically stripping refusers of the right to work without vaccine certification - would almost certainly be vetoed by an alliance of Opposition parties and Tory libertarians.
So we're back to persuasion, or persuasion plus useless gestures like vaxports for restaurants, which will only provoke more heel digging without really hurting the refusers and, therefore, make the situation worse rather than better. Sadly, I think that patiently listening to their "concerns" and/or talking them out of their apathy is all we've got.
Anything else would be weak. Catalonia remains in Spain after Madrid took tough action to stop the Catalan separatists trying to break off in 2017.
I may agree with you on a few things like grammar schools but otherwise in my view you are an extreme libertarian whose opinion of me does not bother me at all
It's what [CENSORED] would have wanted.
Pretty sure it would be possible for the government and NHS to put together a similar set of triage guidelines that would prioritise care for cancer, and heart disease over Covid care for vaccine refusers, on the basis that the former were more likely to benefit from treatment that those who reject modern medical science. Also, if you were to open some specific standalone Covid wards (whether in a car park tent or not) then it's a simple matter of moving people to the appropriate wards and providing more resources to other wards in the hospital.
The NHS has always operated by rationing care with a system of queueing. It would not be difficult to change the prioritisation order for the queue to prioritise other patients above Covid patients. It's been done before to prioritise speedy cancer diagnostics and treatment ahead of other conditions. How many people will be demanding that vaccine refusers jump ahead of them in the queue for hospital treatment?
hospitalisations 668
deaths 49
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043908/20211228_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf
And even when he's disagreed with me politically and I think he does on almost every issue, he's never jumped on as many here have (and that is not just against me, I see it a lot against other people too).
I also appreciate his polling posts, he does a lot more than post "Starmer is crap" or "Boris is crap" like so many others do (I am not exempted from that - trying to do better).
If so, that's a rather scary element of the virus I wasn't aware of, especially if it remains the case for Omi.
A sore throat then a sudden stroke. Eeeeek.
The anaesthetic thing was only brought to my attention pre-op. Scary stuff too, was nervous anyway.
On the other hand Cameron/Osborn would have the opportunity to take action in an instant, not miss all those 2020 Cobra meetings and would be smart enough not to hold Christmas lockdown- busting parties. WE would be pushing towards the 100,000 fatality mark by now, which would concern Cameron/Osborn.
I would imagine the furlough scheme would have been based more on a minimum personal income to reduce the potential for fraud.
Corbyn in the meantime, couldn't get his head around what was going on and having to oppose for the sake of opposing might have attended a march with his brother...
"The Cult of Tradition" - no. HYUFD is obsessed with aspects of the past, but has not revealed a reflexive rejection of new learning.
"The Rejection of modernism" - probably not. HYUFD has been much less vocal about post-Enlightenment philosophy than many others, and sits on the mildly conservative part of that spectrum
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake" - no. HYUFD is often vocally in favour of inaction.
"Disagreement Is Treason" - yes, this typifies a lot of HYUFD's madder output
"Fear of Difference" - no
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class" - sometimes, but not unusually so
"Obsession with a Plot" - occasionally. HYUFD sees treason much more readily than others.
Enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." - no
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" - partially. HYUFD often plugs into tropes about internal and external treason.
"Contempt for the Weak" - no, I think HYUFD tends to be fairly ignorant and uncaring about the weak, but doesn't go out of his way to look down on them.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero" - falls short. Militarist fantasies are not sufficient for this charge to stick.
"Machismo" - partial. HYUFD strikes me as clearly sexist, but I haven't seen any homophobia.
"Selective Populism" - definitely, but there's a lot of it about
"Newspeak" - not really. The frequent abuse of statistics and deliberate logical evasions are not the same as deliberately impoverishing the language to prevent rational discourse.
Ultra Nationalists like you and ultra libertarians like Tyndall however who are frequently rude and aggressive towards me (and even if I sometimes agree with Tyndall on a few things his tone soon puts me off again) are a different matter.
And they even allowed a British lawyer to draft it!!
That shows how undemocratic they are!!!
Anyway, I just thought @HYUFD deserved some support, I really wish people would stop jumping on him. We don't hear a lot about him beyond his political POV (something which I respect) but there is somebody behind that keyboard and it can't be easy to have sometimes a lot of abuse coming your way.
I'm leaving this topic to one side, I have a delicious bolognese that is on the menu for this evening
And they even allowed a British lawyer to draft it!!
Article 50, surely?
Appreciate it's a silly argument but it stumped an SNP MSP who canvassed me in 2014, he countered with legal/religious/cultural border with England, which was a bit weak tbh. I think Edinburgh has far more in common with say Bristol than the Highlands.
More realistically Leicester+1 on the handicaps at 4:1.
Actually level up the North, perhaps?
Even if its bollocks, the bollocks didn’t stop the Tories winning votes promising it with their fingers crossed behind their backs.
If your French is up to it, this long thread from a French emergency-care doctor is quite something:
https://twitter.com/JulieOudet/status/1475197820747628548
You are a supporter of the Scottish National Party, the clue is in the title
I really like the Waitrose basic ones.
Now for the 5th time answer the question? Is there any chance that you don't know the answer? You don't do you? Admit it you have been posting about something you have no idea about?
PDC World Darts Championship: Michael van Gerwen withdraws from tournament because of Covid-19 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/59812911
That's the second player in 2 days who have been excluded from the tournament due to a positive covid test.