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rcs1000 said:

Has anyone mentioned the "in hospital" number in Guateng today?

The Health Ministry announced that there are currently 2,747 people in hospital in the province with CV19. That is down from 3,274 yesterday.

Now, I'm sure there's a weekend effect... BUT... that's not a small drop. That's a 16% fall in the number of people in hospital with CV19. At the very least, that suggests lots of people are getting released from hospital.

(Some of you will say 'backfill of data still to come', and that's very true. But I'm using 'day of' releases. So if there is an effect, it's highly unlikely to be a big directional one.)

Assuming that this trend is confirmed on Monday and Tuesday, these numbers are even more positive than they appear, as they indicate there is no "big lag" between infection and hospitalization.

Beibheirli_C said:

HYUFD said:

Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as lead negotiatior with the EU on the NIP

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1472628149829648385?s=20

I hope she does not live up to my expectations of her....

She will make Frostfcuk look like he was a genius instead of the absolute bellend he is.

RochdalePioneers said:

Why do we need a wrap around all newspapers to say "get boosted"? 900k yesterday is a Good Number. Despite the lack of walk-in centres in some places (e.g. Southampton and Portsmouth where reportedly you need to go to the Isle of Wight...)

Because the more the better?

RochdalePioneers said:

Why do we need a wrap around all newspapers to say "get boosted"? 900k yesterday is a Good Number. Despite the lack of walk-in centres in some places (e.g. Southampton and Portsmouth where reportedly you need to go to the Isle of Wight...)

It's the missing first and second doses, particularly in the inner cities, that they're really after, is my guess.

RobD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Why do we need a wrap around all newspapers to say "get boosted"? 900k yesterday is a Good Number. Despite the lack of walk-in centres in some places (e.g. Southampton and Portsmouth where reportedly you need to go to the Isle of Wight...)

Because the more the better?

Two slightly cynical (and probably incorrect) reasons:

*) It can be something they point to during any future inquiry, to show they were doing everything they could;
*) It's good money to the newspapers, and the government like / need to get back in their good books.

Edit: Darned, see I was beaten on one of these by Mr Carnyx...
Edit2: and to the other one by Mr Noneoftheabove...

RochdalePioneers said:

IshmaelZ said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

Every year since when?

Is the demand side of economics a complete fallacy?

Have you been looking forward all year to this attack on @RochdalePioneers and now omicron has spoilt it but you've thought Fuck it, let's plough on anyway, can't wait till Christmas 2022?

Hardly an attack. More a petulant strop from someone who doesn't even know what the accusation is they are making. WTF would forecasted pasta shortages caused by a horrendous harvest in Canada have to do with truck drivers?

I suspect @another_richard is frustrated because you are being horrid to that nice Mr Johnson.

Forty years ago before going to Uni. I worked as an fmcg Rep, complete with company Cortina. One of the tips we were taught was to get as many product facings as possible in order to sell more stuff, and if your competitors' facings were empty replace them with your own.

I have noted that the supermarkets have taken this a step further and instead of leaving blank facings or upturned veg boxes denoting short stock, they are replacing missing product facings with in-stock product giving the impression that there are no shortages. It is only when one asks where the carrots are one is told "we have sold out".

I have a conundrum. I am due to have my booster vaccine on the 22nd. I am due to travel on the 23rd. Are side effects likely from the booster? I've had two AZ so far.

RobD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Why do we need a wrap around all newspapers to say "get boosted"? 900k yesterday is a Good Number. Despite the lack of walk-in centres in some places (e.g. Southampton and Portsmouth where reportedly you need to go to the Isle of Wight...)

Because the more the better?

While loads of my peer group got one over the weekend, the huge queues have put off others.

There is also such certainty about lockdown there doesn't really seem to be much point for people my age - friend: "we could have 10 boosters and they will still close the pubs".

I didn't queue as I'm post-surgery and not feeling great. It could also mean two useless arms rather than one... I'll get one during the week if I don't have to wait around.

Mexicanpete said:

RochdalePioneers said:

IshmaelZ said:

another_richard said:

RochdalePioneers said:

another_richard said:

I see that Morrisons are selling pork fillets at £6/kg.

Weren't we promised a shortage of pork because all the pigs were going to be culled.

Meanwhile there are mounds of British carrots being flogged at 19p/kg.

Ditto British parsnips, cabbages, swede and doubtless others things we were told had rotted in the fields.

You do understand what all those cancelled Christmas dinners means don't you?

Absolute fucktons of large packs of everything to flood the market. Again.

Yet the same thing happens every year.

Predictions of shortages followed by a glut at Christmas.

And we're still waiting for the pasta shortage which you predicted.

Or are you claiming now that the pasta in the supermarket comes from cancelled Christmas dinners.

Every year since when?

Is the demand side of economics a complete fallacy?

Have you been looking forward all year to this attack on @RochdalePioneers and now omicron has spoilt it but you've thought Fuck it, let's plough on anyway, can't wait till Christmas 2022?

Hardly an attack. More a petulant strop from someone who doesn't even know what the accusation is they are making. WTF would forecasted pasta shortages caused by a horrendous harvest in Canada have to do with truck drivers?

I suspect @another_richard is frustrated because you are being horrid to that nice Mr Johnson.

Forty years ago before going to Uni. I worked as an fmcg Rep, complete with company Cortina. One of the tips we were taught was to get as many product facings as possible in order to sell more stuff, and if your competitors facings were empty replace them with your own

I have noted that the supermarkets have taken this a step further and instead of leaving blank facings or upturned veg boxes denoting short stock, they are replacing missing product facings with in-stock product giving the impression that there are no shortages. It is only when one asks where the carrots are one is told "we have sold out".

As I noted already, I wasn't blaming Peppa in any way for the mess in foodservice - people are cancelling because they are ill or they are worried about getting ill and losing Christmas.

On facings, yes. There is too much retail space in general. Many stores are too large and retailers are reducing the number of SKUs (individual products) they sell because complexity costs money and nobody needs a choice of 17 kinds of Hummus.

So they are finding ways to fill empty shelves with adverts and similar, then we have the late notice reduction in Christmas ranges as manufacturers have rejigged production to go max output rather than max choice.

bigjohnowls said:

Cookie said:

bigjohnowls said:

Re food shortages I now have far too many Pigs in Blankets.

What the hell was I thinking!

No such thing as too many pigs in blankets.

We are currently at 6 each if everyone has them.

My preference is for 1 or a maximum of 2 but that would require someone else to have 10 or 11

In fact just checking with Mrs BJ we are looking for a random guest who can consume around 14

*raises hand*

Tres said:

Aslan said:

Carnyx said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

kyf_100 said:

MrEd said:

@kyf_100 ’s very powerful testimony shows how much damage on mental health is being inflicted. For all the talk about mental health being a priority, it’s clear it is low down on the list of priorities.

My best to @kyf_100

Also, I’m sick of middle class public sector professionals with a guaranteed wage and guaranteed pension telling everyone else that they have to sacrifice. Maybe they can show the courage of their convictions by offering to voluntarily give up a percentage of their very generous pension donations with the cash being used to support those suffering disproportionately from the crisis.

Heh, thanks. I'm much better now, thanks to good friends and several months of near-normality, though the thought we are heading into yet another two or three months minimum of the same bleakness fills me with utter terror. I don't want to slide back down into that dark, dark place again. Because next time I'm not sure I'll get out again.

We were told if we got the jabs, it would end. Then we were told if we got the booster, it would end. Now... when does it end?

Great question. When does it end. As asked by Beth Rigby at that first BoJo news conference.

And of course I wish you all the very best.

I have been vocally anti lockdown since almost the beginning (not as much as @contrarian ) not because of the medical outcome it achieves. No shit you make it illegal to meet people and the number of infectious diseases plummets.

But because of the precedent. Cock up or conspiracy we are now in a place where lockdowns are a common tool of government.

All those "I was then I'm not now" PBers should hang their heads in shame because this was the obvious end point.

But this is plainly ridiculous. By your logic no one should ever support any lockdowns because they might become more acceptable and frequent

That’s like saying you should never go to hospital otherwise it will become a habit

Bizarre

I'm not 100% sure anyone should ever support any lockdown.

What possible reason could there be to have a legal mandate about who you are allowed to have in your home.

You and The Francester are frankly doing more damage to yourselves than you realise with all your constant crappy posts.

Of course when faced with it, as many have, you lash out. And that's fine. But for you two, PB is a super unhealthy place but of course caveat emptor go for your lives. And let's have a funny charge that I am terrified and projecting and blah blah blah.

But you know it's true.

You’re projecting again

LOL touché.

But seriously. I know that you need a febrile atmosphere to produce your best-knapped flints but not everyone is as robust as you are, as many on PB have told us. Be careful how you wield your undoubted gifts on here.

I think you are unfair to the “not now, but then” group.

Lockdowns had a role. To buy time until vaccines. Which they did. They made it possible to have a normal life with an endemic disease.

So I am proud to be in the “lockdown then but not now” camp

As I said of course they were effective. But as a policy tool they were and are beyond the pale.

That’s a value statement, though. The public health situation necessitated extreme action. Unfortunately politicians don’t have the strength of character to resist

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

Is BTP an Irish thing? I thought it just meant beyond Norman settlement. or is there some other thing?

It means beyond the border of centralized government in the Pale, into areas of clan rule.

The idea that it should be banned is ridiculous. Should we stop saying "to be frank" too? The Irish are wealthier than we are. It is about time they got over their historical chippiness regarding stuff long past living memory.

'No Irish' signs aren't past living memory.

Ah, I get the point now - beyond the pale = the Irish area rather than English area. So Irish = bad by implication. Like Greeks and Barbarians. Best avoided except in a literal historical meaning.

Richardr said:

Charles said:

BTW… “beyond the pale” is on the banned list these day as quasi-racist…

By who?

Irish people? It basically means "bogtrotter".

Cookie said:

bigjohnowls said:

Cookie said:

bigjohnowls said:

Re food shortages I now have far too many Pigs in Blankets.

What the hell was I thinking!

No such thing as too many pigs in blankets.

We are currently at 6 each if everyone has them.

My preference is for 1 or a maximum of 2 but that would require someone else to have 10 or 11

In fact just checking with Mrs BJ we are looking for a random guest who can consume around 14

*raises hand*

Me too. Not that we are getting any. I'm not even sure pheasants are available locally this year. Might be a decent free range mutton casserole instead.

FIIIIVE GOOOOOLD RIIIINGS

noneoftheabove said:

Carnyx said:

noneoftheabove said:

Fairliered said:

Cookie said:

IshmaelZ said:

FF43 said:

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Seems unlikely, unless the Queen's death is a planned event

Have you read The Golden Bough?

Solstice on Tuesday. Just saying.

Politics for all says that as Max suggested the wraparound is to encourage people to get jabbed.

The people who still buy papers are generally older and vaccinated. The people who aren’t vaccinated probably don’t buy papers. So a waste of time and money.

It is to re-assure the people who do buy papers, who also vote, that the government are doing what they can.....

Also helps keep the papers' owners on HMG's side?

I like this site as occasionally find posts even more cynical than mine. Yes a taxpayer funded bung to the newspapers is perhaps a motivation as well.

Not the first time; there was that subsidy to local newspapers.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Politics for All knows absolutely nothing, it just spends its days re-posting content from somebody else.

And then getting paid to post stuff like this: https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1472594925946646540

This Twitter account will go the way of all of these accounts, it will go into more and more rubbish, the original owner will set it and start something else.

I wish we could ban it from here

Do they ever claim to know anything? I thought the point was it was an aggregator.

RobD said:

MaxPB said:

Fairliered said:

Cookie said:

IshmaelZ said:

FF43 said:

IanB2 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Scott_xP said:

Something is afoot. https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466/photo/1

A special issue thanking Lord Frost for Brexit?

The chatter on Twitter believes it is London Bridge. But DYOR.

Seems unlikely, unless the Queen's death is a planned event

Have you read The Golden Bough?

Solstice on Tuesday. Just saying.

Politics for all says that as Max suggested the wraparound is to encourage people to get jabbed.

The people who still buy papers are generally older and vaccinated. The people who aren’t vaccinated probably don’t buy papers. So a waste of time and money.

Not necessarily, older readers of the Express, Sun or Mirror are probably less likely to be vaxxed, especially the former. Lots of readers of local papers will be unvaxxed too. Every hundred vaccines done for over 70s is 3-4 hospitalisations prevented. Even if the absolute numbers in the door is less than 100k it's probably still worth it vs the NHS expense. We should have been doing it far, far earlier.

Where's the ad campaign of people on their (covid) death beds wishing they had taken the vaccine? That'd surely hit home.

No idea, the government outreach programme has been poor. There's so much more that could have been done other than opening up appointments and hoping GPs would have "positive conversations" with refusers.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Politics for All knows absolutely nothing, it just spends its days re-posting content from somebody else.

And then getting paid to post stuff like this: https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1472594925946646540

This Twitter account will go the way of all of these accounts, it will go into more and more rubbish, the original owner will set it and start something else.

I wish we could ban it from here

Do they ever claim to know anything? I thought the point was it was an aggregator.

Yes they've started claiming their own "leaks" recently

Oh that's BS then. Just like that Nick guy who gets far too much coverage....they are at the end of the day students in their dorm rooms.

The aggregator idea was smart. They should just stick to that.

FrankBooth said:

I have a conundrum. I am due to have my booster vaccine on the 22nd. I am due to travel on the 23rd. Are side effects likely from the booster? I've had two AZ so far.

I hardly noticed mine (Pf after 2xAZ) bit then it was about 29 days after testing positive for Covid so my immune system probably laughed it off as something not worth bothering with.

Travelling is fairly shit anyway, and you are not actually ill, so I'd go ahead with it.

malcolmg said:

Beibheirli_C said:

HYUFD said:

Liz Truss replaces Lord Frost as lead negotiatior with the EU on the NIP

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1472628149829648385?s=20

I hope she does not live up to my expectations of her....

She will make Frostfcuk look like he was a genius instead of the absolute bellend he is.

That is what worries me...

Raducanu now 1.03/1.04 on Betfair for SPoTY.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

I told people here there were more photos coming.

But you were claiming the political editor of the Mirror had them.

I am sure she does.

I'm sure you are sure. That doesn't mean it's actually true.

Eabhal said:

RobD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Why do we need a wrap around all newspapers to say "get boosted"? 900k yesterday is a Good Number. Despite the lack of walk-in centres in some places (e.g. Southampton and Portsmouth where reportedly you need to go to the Isle of Wight...)

Because the more the better?

While loads of my peer group got one over the weekend, the huge queues have put off others.

There is also such certainty about lockdown there doesn't really seem to be much point for people my age - friend: "we could have 10 boosters and they will still close the pubs".

I didn't queue as I'm post-surgery and not feeling great. It could also mean two useless arms rather than one... I'll get one during the week if I don't have to wait around.

Also bear in mind that for many of us, the most unwell we have been in the last two years was after a vaccine. Can see why some people won't get it.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Whoever is leaking, they clearly are determined to bring BoJo down.

He is screwed.

The only people who can do that are his mps who seem as divided as they possibly could be

RobD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

I told people here there were more photos coming.

But you were claiming the political editor of the Mirror had them.

A paper would be concerned to maintain their scoop and publish as soon as the veracity of the information had been confirmed. Wherever these are coming from, they are being fed periodically to the paper that merely knows it is on a promise of more.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

Looks pretty socially distanced to me

FrancisUrquhart said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Whoever is leaking, they clearly are determined to bring BoJo down.

He is screwed.

The thing is, those in the know will have a very good idea who it must be. Not many people can take these photos, same as shots of the zoom quiz.

The question now is just how much this adds to the story which is already set in the public's mind

Furthermore, Boris is unlikely to be in office by the late Spring

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

Looks pretty socially distanced to me

Was that legal, then?

2m at the time, remember.

Edit: CHB has made that point.

Eabhal said:

Eabhal said:

RobD said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Why do we need a wrap around all newspapers to say "get boosted"? 900k yesterday is a Good Number. Despite the lack of walk-in centres in some places (e.g. Southampton and Portsmouth where reportedly you need to go to the Isle of Wight...)

Because the more the better?

While loads of my peer group got one over the weekend, the huge queues have put off others.

There is also such certainty about lockdown there doesn't really seem to be much point for people my age - friend: "we could have 10 boosters and they will still close the pubs".

I didn't queue as I'm post-surgery and not feeling great. It could also mean two useless arms rather than one... I'll get one during the week if I don't have to wait around.

Also bear in mind that for many of us, the most unwell we have been in the last two years was after a vaccine. Can see why some people won't get it.

Except you are not actually unwell, you are just feeling a bit shit because your immune system is working. If you feel equally unwell with Covid, you have just acquired an infection that might kill you in two or three weeks. Different matter entirely.

It does look like a very pleasant garden drinks party though. I wonder if the main impact of these new photos is to make us all yearn for the summer.

It’s only when you see a picture like this that you realise just how awful the Northern European winters are.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

moonshine said:

Carnyx said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

This piece too. A high angle photo. Wonder where taken from and why originally?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/chatting-over-cheese-and-wine-anatomy-downing-street-lockdown-gathering-picture

Doesn’t really kick the story on to the degree needed in my opinion.

Some people are getting over excited when in fact party gate has already entered public conscious and was evidenced in the voting in North Shropshire last Thursday

I'm actually astounded rather than excited to see a photograph of such high quality of Mr Johnson massively breaching covid regulations. Which we did not have before, remember.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

Looks pretty socially distanced to me and Boris wearing a facemask

Well no, he's taken the mask off.

What is his wife doing there?

The rules at the time were two people outside at a distance of 2m. That's not 2m.

This is pathetic.

There were only 4 people on Boris' table, they were far away from others and Carrie counts as Boris' bubble and the other 2 were civil servants doing government business

At this time people were being arrested for having more than 2 people, 2 metres apart.

You're embarassing yourself.

If you think people were being arrested for meeting in their gardens with 2 other people socially distanced outside their bubble who they work with you are having a laugh. Total non story

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

Looks pretty socially distanced to me and Boris wearing a facemask

Well no, he's taken the mask off.

What is his wife doing there?

The rules at the time were two people outside at a distance of 2m. That's not 2m.

This is pathetic.

There were only 4 people on Boris' table, they were far away from others and Carrie counts as Boris' bubble and the other 2 were civil servants doing government business

At this time people were being arrested for having more than 2 people, 2 metres apart.

You're embarassing yourself.

If you think people were being arrested for meeting in their gardens with 2 other people socially distanced outside their bubble who they work with you are having a laugh. Total non story

When they were supposed to be setting an example? The chap who made the laws and his aides?

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

Looks pretty socially distanced to me and Boris wearing a facemask

Well no, he's taken the mask off.

What is his wife doing there?

The rules at the time were two people outside at a distance of 2m. That's not 2m.

This is pathetic.

There were only 4 people on Boris' table, they were far away from others and Carrie counts as Boris' bubble and the other 2 were civil servants doing government business

At this time people were being arrested for having more than 2 people, 2 metres apart.

You're embarassing yourself.

If you think people were being arrested for meeting in their gardens with 2 other people socially distanced outside their bubble who they work with you are having a laugh. Total non story

It is exciting some, but while it is not a non story I really do not see it adds to the story and certainly does not give the impression of a 'party' in the true sense of the word or the perception of the public of a party

kinabalu said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Whoever is leaking, they clearly are determined to bring BoJo down.

He is screwed.

The thing is, those in the know will have a very good idea who it must be. Not many people can take these photos, same as shots of the zoom quiz.

The question now is just how much this adds to the story which is already set in the public's mind

Furthermore, Boris is unlikely to be in office by the late Spring

Think you're overestimating the chances of that happy event in that timeframe

The Spring elections will be key but it would be my preferred outcome

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

Looks pretty socially distanced to me and Boris wearing a facemask

Well no, he's taken the mask off.

What is his wife doing there?

The rules at the time were two people outside at a distance of 2m. That's not 2m.

This is pathetic.

There were only 4 people on Boris' table, they were far away from others and Carrie counts as Boris' bubble and the other 2 were civil servants doing government business

At this time people were being arrested for having more than 2 people, 2 metres apart.

You're embarassing yourself.

If you think people were being arrested for meeting in their gardens with 2 other people socially distanced outside their bubble who they work with you are having a laugh. Total non story

It is exciting some, but while it is not a non story I really do not see it adds to the story and certainly does not give the impression of a 'party' in the true sense of the word or the perception of the public of a party

They're posh, remember. Standing in circles in the garden chatting with glasses of wine = party. Before theyt get pished and it loosens up.

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

moonshine said:

Carnyx said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

This piece too. A high angle photo. Wonder where taken from and why originally?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/chatting-over-cheese-and-wine-anatomy-downing-street-lockdown-gathering-picture

Doesn’t really kick the story on to the degree needed in my opinion.

Some people are getting over excited when in fact party gate has already entered public conscious and was evidenced in the voting in North Shropshire last Thursday

I'm actually astounded rather than excited to see a photograph of such high quality of Mr Johnson massively breaching covid regulations. Which we did not have before, remember.

The trouble is, the rules have changed around so much and sitting outside with tables apart like that feels like a sufficiently sensible precaution to most people, rather than reckless. The Guardian have to go to the bother of explaining what the rules were on that date and why this breaches them. If you have to explain the joke…

moonshine said:

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

moonshine said:

Carnyx said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

This piece too. A high angle photo. Wonder where taken from and why originally?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/chatting-over-cheese-and-wine-anatomy-downing-street-lockdown-gathering-picture

Doesn’t really kick the story on to the degree needed in my opinion.

Some people are getting over excited when in fact party gate has already entered public conscious and was evidenced in the voting in North Shropshire last Thursday

I'm actually astounded rather than excited to see a photograph of such high quality of Mr Johnson massively breaching covid regulations. Which we did not have before, remember.

The trouble is, the rules have changed around so much and sitting outside with tables apart like that feels like a sufficiently sensible precaution to most people, rather than reckless. The Guardian have to go to the bother of explaining what the rules were on that date and why this breaches them. If you have to explain the joke…

Point taken. But there are enough folk who remember what the rules were. I certainly do.

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FrancisUrquhart said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Whoever is leaking, they clearly are determined to bring BoJo down.

He is screwed.

The thing is, those in the know will have a very good idea who it must be. Not many people can take these photos, same as shots of the zoom quiz.

Larry the cat ?

moonshine said:

Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

moonshine said:

Carnyx said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris Johnson has been pictured with wine and cheese alongside his wife and up to 17 staff in the Downing Street garden during lockdown, raising questions over No 10’s insistence it constituted a “work meeting”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020

His wife being there totally nails him. Fascinating who keeps leaking.

This piece too. A high angle photo. Wonder where taken from and why originally?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/chatting-over-cheese-and-wine-anatomy-downing-street-lockdown-gathering-picture

Doesn’t really kick the story on to the degree needed in my opinion.

Some people are getting over excited when in fact party gate has already entered public conscious and was evidenced in the voting in North Shropshire last Thursday

I'm actually astounded rather than excited to see a photograph of such high quality of Mr Johnson massively breaching covid regulations. Which we did not have before, remember.

The trouble is, the rules have changed around so much and sitting outside with tables apart like that feels like a sufficiently sensible precaution to most people, rather than reckless. The Guardian have to go to the bother of explaining what the rules were on that date and why this breaches them. If you have to explain the joke…

At the time we were sat in the garden and only speaking to the neighbours over the fence. We couldn't visit my Mother in Law in her nursing home.

Those bastards were having a pizza and wine party.