Al Fresco at this time of year in this weather. Eh? – politicalbetting.com
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As observed last week, it does look as if evidence-based policy-making has been replaced by policy-based evidence-making.Cookie said:
It's more the 'model only what will justify the policy' that saddens me. Why bother having modellers if you are going to make the decision beforehand?eek said:
So we are again into the “but it doesn’t look that bad in South Africa” viewpoint.Cookie said:Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721
I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.
Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee
My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?
But South Africa isn’t the UK so it’s not an identical test bed and we simply don’t know the R0 rate of omicron nor how serious it can be and what is the severity of illness nor the trigger for severity nor the percentage who need hospitalisation.
You should note that my viewpoint is based on its so contagious nothing will stop it spreading quickly but I can see why people are looking at worst case scenarios because
1) that is their job
2) I’m struggling to see any valid reason that doesn’t make the worst case scenario highly likely. Heck, omicron arrived at the worst time possible, 3 weeks later and most people (already vaccinated people) at risk of serious illness would have been boosted anyway.
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Another one who has failed at everything he has had to do, always runs off/ dumped when it goes tits up , he could not beat a carpet. If that is the Tories best then they really are in the merde big time. An invisible insidious useless little creep.DavidL said:
Option 4: Is Gove not somewhat underemployed at the moment? He has impeccable credentials with the head bangers but is clever enough to be pragmatic and get this sorted. He may consider it a demotion now that the caravan has moved on somewhat but it could perhaps be combined with his other duties.Scott_xP said:Quick unsolicited advice on what next after Frost. Three ways to do replacement if you are Number 10 - path they choose will tell you a lot about nature of political operation left in building 1/
Option one. Go with true believer Brexiteer from backbenches. Assuming someone willing to take the job, this will get you c.12 hours breathing space with latest incarnation of ERG and please some excitable folk. 2/
Won't work in long run because this Government is not going to invoke Article 16 next year - and nor should they in the short term. Cue resignation, WhatsApp bloodletting, compounding chaos 3/
Option Two. Go with largely anonymous safe pair of hands. Fine. But there's no political advance by doing this. And said individual will become target for those mourning Frost the man and myth. Compounding chaos again 4/
Ps on Frost man and myth, depending on your politics he seems this morning to be somewhere between Abraham Lincoln and over promoted booze lobbyist. Suspect neither caricature true - but fascinating to watch narratives nonetheless 5/
Option Three. Give it to the Foreign Secretary where arguably should reside. Triggering Article 16 somewhat more impactful decision than trade deal with Australia. Politically this helps Johnson because tests LT mettle with Brexit BBs and whether for real or just words 6/
Positive inflection for Team Truss is that it offers them platform to do something politically hard. she can conclude to satisfaction of both ERG and wider party then leadership is hers to lose 7/end
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From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.0
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Trevor Phillips tried to push Javid on the input assumptions, and quoted Medley. Did not give a satisfactory answer. It’s clear to me that something is rotten somewhere here. Now they might be right, and omicron may indeed just be the same severity as delta. But it doesn’t look like it is from SA data, and so far there are at least two plausible biological routes for it to be less severe.Cookie said:Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721
I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.
Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee
My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?
Time will tell, and if by Christmas the hospitals are getting swamped by people admitted because of Covid* then I will admit I am wrong.
*Not with Covid, but for a different reason, and not picked up in hospital.1 -
To be even fairer you would have thought they could have found one person that was up to the job.not_on_fire said:
In fairness, short of dying on the job, surely everyone ends an employment by either resigning or being sacked?Scott_xP said:Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
Ouch.
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It's not as if this is a government known for erratic changes of policy after putting a minister out to defend the policy!FrancisUrquhart said:From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.
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Interesting comment. It implies there were places where it was not dangerous. Where were they?Sandpit said:
That’s a very tight schedule, to get in 23 races between mid-March and November. Four races in July, and four more in September.Morris_Dancer said:F1: preliminary schedule up:
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2022.html
I wonder if Saudi Arabia, pencilled in as number two race, will be updated. High speeds, close walls, and blind corners are overdoing it there, I think.
Pretty sure there will be some work on the Saudi track over the winter, that was really quite dangerous in places.
Totally agree on the schedule. Ridiculously bloated.0 -
Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988791 -
Yes, but you'd hope that restaurants and other businesses received support for some end - i.e. that it would be bad for both society and the economy if a temporary pandemic sends thousands of otherwise perfectly viable enterprises into bankruptcy - rather than on the technical point of merely compensating for the direct effect of the government's own decisions.NickPalmer said:The underlying issue here is that Sunak is very, very dry on spending, to a Thatcherite level. I know of other cases where he has flatly refused to authorise expenditure even in the case where - as in hospitality - government action is causing real harm to a particular group of people. He wants to go into the next election - preferably as PM - as the man who slashed income tax, and every penny spent on anything new in the meantime is a penny too much.
That's arguably the traditional role of the Chancellor if you take a narrow departmental view. It's equally traditionally balanced by the strength of other Cabinet ministers and the power of the PM to strike a balance. But at present the rest of the Cabinet is weak - how many can quickly name the Education and Transport Secretaries of State? - and Johnson's authority is sapped. In the absence of the counterbalance, Scrooge rules.
That won't always be wrong, of course. Not every penny of government money is wisely-spent. But it drives one sector after another to the brink, and poitically there is an important cost to that. The Government is losing the backing of large businesses, small businesses and farmers, three of its bedrock supports. It is falling back on its core vote of people for whom voting Tory is simply a habit. And, as Labour found in the Red Wall, habits don't last forever.
As others have noted, the issue isn't really whether the Government is libertarian or not. People are avoiding restaurants and shops to protect their families, irrespective of what Ministers tell them to do. The issue is that by avoiding making it official policy, the Government gets out of helping the businesses disproportionately affected.0 -
Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.Sandpit said:
They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.
The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
WWF on wheels!1 -
Good point...if you notice, i did caveat it with today...tomorrow is a clean slate.Foxy said:
It's not as if this is a government known for erratic changes of policy after putting a minister out to defend the policy!FrancisUrquhart said:From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.
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Considering how difficult and only partly successful it has been to prevent covid transmission in hospital, I would expect hospital acquired Omicron to sweep through the wards.turbotubbs said:
Trevor Phillips tried to push Javid on the input assumptions, and quoted Medley. Did not give a satisfactory answer. It’s clear to me that something is rotten somewhere here. Now they might be right, and omicron may indeed just be the same severity as delta. But it doesn’t look like it is from SA data, and so far there are at least two plausible biological routes for it to be less severe.Cookie said:Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721
I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.
Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee
My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?
Time will tell, and if by Christmas the hospitals are getting swamped by people admitted because of Covid* then I will admit I am wrong.
*Not with Covid, but for a different reason, and not picked up in hospital.0 -
It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.Philip_Thompson said:Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?
The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."3 -
Tessy Villers more lugubrious than a BBC announcement of a royal death over Frosty’s departure. Not ruling herself out of taking the post.0
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Jesus, the bar for a good news story is pretty low nowadays. "Government probably hasn't decided to capriciously fuck everyone over today. Check back tomorrow!"FrancisUrquhart said:From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.
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Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
Glad you enjoyed the Toon
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Mr Ace. you deserve a life time ban for posting that photo! I scrolled down to it and nearly brought up my breakfast egg!0
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Cricket is men vs boys. Every ball is a hand grenade.0
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Sadly I think you are right. I saw something last night that suggested a quarter of Covid admissions in London picked it up in hospital.Foxy said:
Considering how difficult and only partly successful it has been to prevent covid transmission in hospital, I would expect hospital acquired Omicron to sweep through the wards.turbotubbs said:
Trevor Phillips tried to push Javid on the input assumptions, and quoted Medley. Did not give a satisfactory answer. It’s clear to me that something is rotten somewhere here. Now they might be right, and omicron may indeed just be the same severity as delta. But it doesn’t look like it is from SA data, and so far there are at least two plausible biological routes for it to be less severe.Cookie said:Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721
I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.
Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee
My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?
Time will tell, and if by Christmas the hospitals are getting swamped by people admitted because of Covid* then I will admit I am wrong.
*Not with Covid, but for a different reason, and not picked up in hospital.0 -
The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/1 -
Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-190
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Puerto Rico is reporting a rapid surge in coronavirus cases. 1,755 new cases were reported today, an increase of more than 1,000% from last week https://t.co/k5KjNjDHLM https://t.co/zueVynvuBy0
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I get the feeling that the agreement whereby Mercedes dropped their appeal, has a review of the sport’s operation that doesn’t see Mr Masi remain in his post next year.Mexicanpete said:
Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.Sandpit said:
They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.
The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
WWF on wheels!
Those whose job is primarily safety, should not allow themselves to be influenced by the competitors, nor the commercial rights holder.
Companies such as Daimler, McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin, are not interested in investing billions of dollars to participate in WWF1.3 -
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988791 -
Job, not employment. So promotion is a possible exit.not_on_fire said:
In fairness, short of dying on the job, surely everyone ends an employment by either resigning or being sacked?Scott_xP said:Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
Ouch.
https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1472310341828755460
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Well you'd have to be really stupid to want a job like that.Theuniondivvie said:Tessy Villers more lugubrious than a BBC announcement of a royal death over Frosty’s departure. Not ruling herself out of taking the post.
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In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/0 -
Well yes. But I don't think common courtesy should be mandated the state. It is too hard to draw the line correctly.LostPassword said:
It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.Philip_Thompson said:Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?
The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."0 -
I think it’s something we should encourage, but it runs counter to the presenteeism culture ingrained in many of us.LostPassword said:
It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.Philip_Thompson said:Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?
The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."
For the lucky ones who can work from home, and I can do a fair amount of my job from home, but by no means all, I think we do need to be better at being sick, and behaving sensibly. For others in jobs where it’s not possible that’s going to be harder, and sick pay is not always as good as mine is.0 -
Does sidmouth ever rock?SouthamObserver said:
Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
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https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Sidmouth-Devon.htmturbotubbs said:
Does sidmouth ever rock?SouthamObserver said:
Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
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There is a potentially legitimate debate about whether habits are changing to the point that the restaurant/pub/nightclub sector is larger than is ultimately sustainable. But that's largely a free market issue - even the most dedicated Trotskyist wouldn't favour the government decreeing that we should have a certain number of pubs. Where Government has a legitimate role is in easing disruption due to special crises (especially if they are partly causing them by nods and inks to consumers). If York is flooded, aid is rushed in to help in the emergency. Nobody expects York then to get a permanent subsidy, but few would argue that we should simply shrug.IanB2 said:
Yes, but you'd hope that restaurants and other businesses received support for some end - i.e. that it would be bad for both society and the economy if a temporary pandemic sends thousands of otherwise perfectly viable enterprises into bankruptcy - rather than on the technical point of merely compensating for the direct effect of the government's own decisions.1 -
Fantastic cricket ground at Sidmouth with cracking teas.
Scored a nice Joe Root type score there back in the day.0 -
I think you can buy it there!turbotubbs said:
Does sidmouth ever rock?SouthamObserver said:
Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
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I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988790 -
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
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Excellent link. I’ve visited that website for lots locations on the coast as I love fossil hunting.IanB2 said:
https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Sidmouth-Devon.htmturbotubbs said:
Does sidmouth ever rock?SouthamObserver said:
Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
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Courtesy is a public choice.LostPassword said:
It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.Philip_Thompson said:Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?
The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."
Are you seriously saying it should be a criminal offence for someone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their house and risk infecting others?
Or are you prepared to accept the risk of people spreading respiratory illnesses including coronaviruses, so we're just debating where the line should be drawn?0 -
This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.FrancisUrquhart said:Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19
It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
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Mr. Roger, it's possible it was fat finger syndrome.
It's happened to me before, and my posts are always rigorously on-topic, as we know.-1 -
Only when the cliffs fall on the beach...turbotubbs said:
Does sidmouth ever rock?SouthamObserver said:
Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
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Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?0 -
She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988792 -
Not if the job is impossible and self-contradictorymalcolmg said:
To be even fairer you would have thought they could have found one person that was up to the job.not_on_fire said:
In fairness, short of dying on the job, surely everyone ends an employment by either resigning or being sacked?Scott_xP said:Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
Ouch.
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Didn't we already have the "metaverse", with stuff like Second Life fad?Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
Even though I am a bit in the crypto space, it seems bollocks to me. Defi and NFTs as a technology (not stupid cartoonn pics), I get those, metaverse nah.1 -
Good thought. The question is; was the late Senator vaccinated against Covid or not?Cookie said:
This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.FrancisUrquhart said:Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19
It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).0 -
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?0 -
I note you left Red Bull Racing off your list.Sandpit said:
I get the feeling that the agreement whereby Mercedes dropped their appeal, has a review of the sport’s operation that doesn’t see Mr Masi remain in his post next year.Mexicanpete said:
Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.Sandpit said:
They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.
The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
WWF on wheels!
Those whose job is primarily safety, should not allow themselves to be influenced by the competitors, nor the commercial rights holder.
Companies such as Daimler, McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin, are not interested in investing billions of dollars to participate in WWF1.1 -
My mother much to my surprise yesterday said she likes Liz Truss, mind you she was also liked Theresa May before she became PM. May of course also presented herself as Maggie 2 for a timeAndy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988790 -
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?2 -
I don't trust myself to have much of a feeling as to what utterly stupid decision the Tories might take next. So I'm just making the occasional low stakes lay of the favourite when they appear to be over-bought, and just hoping to finish in the green at the end.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988792 -
I note that most, if not all the 'deals' Ms Truss has struck are in effect rehashes pdf the deal which existed, in effect, while we were part of the EU.edmundintokyo said:
She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879
Is this a cunning plan to seamlessly re-enter?0 -
Ha, don't know.OldKingCole said:
Good thought. The question is; was the late Senator vaccinated against Covid or not?Cookie said:
This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.FrancisUrquhart said:Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19
It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
I suppose it's also perfectly possible to be against vaccination on principle even while accepting that this would lead to significantly worse health outcomes (including the death of yourself) but I'd struggle to think what those principles would be!0 -
Mr. Urquhart, it does have some interesting potential applications (such as immersion therapy to try and overcome phobias).
They pissed off Oculus owners, if memory serves, by making them use Facebook in order to operate the gear, which led to lots of them shifting to other VR sets.1 -
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?1 -
there was a time when folk said that Boris Johnson reminded them of Winston Churchill...."Darkest Hour" anyone?edmundintokyo said:
She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988790 -
I think it's the other way around, Zuckerberg has been into 3d virtual worlds since Second Life came out and bought Oculus as part of that strategy. Zuck is much smarter than you or I, so I wouldn't write them off.FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?0 -
Here on the island it's fossil central. There are dinosaur toes just lying about on the beach.turbotubbs said:
Excellent link. I’ve visited that website for lots locations on the coast as I love fossil hunting.IanB2 said:
https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Sidmouth-Devon.htmturbotubbs said:
Does sidmouth ever rock?SouthamObserver said:
Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!Gallowgate said:@DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.
Glad you enjoyed the Toon0 -
Is there anyone other than Johnson himself who thought that?swing_voter said:
there was a time when folk said that Boris Johnson reminded them of Winston Churchill...."Darkest Hour" anyone?edmundintokyo said:
She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988792 -
Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.Foxy said:
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.1 -
It's also of course possible that he was fully in favour of vaccination but opposed to the idea of people being forced to be vaccinated to keep their jobs.Cookie said:
Ha, don't know.OldKingCole said:
Good thought. The question is; was the late Senator vaccinated against Covid or not?Cookie said:
This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.FrancisUrquhart said:Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19
It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
I suppose it's also perfectly possible to be against vaccination on principle even while accepting that this would lead to significantly worse health outcomes (including the death of yourself) but I'd struggle to think what those principles would be!
We see that on here with say @Anabobazina or @Philip_Thompson who are in favour of vaccines but against compulsion. Which is a perfectly coherent position.
I don't know whether he was, I'm just suggesting a possibility. @SeaShantyIrish2 would know more.2 -
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/1 -
They're *mostly* copy-pastes of existing EU deals but she was bright enough to either add some minor stuff that wasn't in the EU deals or make it sound like she'd done that, which is the closest Brexit has ever got to working.OldKingCole said:
I note that most, if not all the 'deals' Ms Truss has struck are in effect rehashes pdf the deal which existed, in effect, while we were part of the EU.edmundintokyo said:
She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879
Is this a cunning plan to seamlessly re-enter?4 -
You can make a case that there are a fair few similarities with their careers, if you ignore the bit at the end where it all comes good (or, more strictly, skip over that bit straight to the very final bit where it all fell apart)?Foxy said:
Is there anyone other than Johnson himself who thought that?swing_voter said:
there was a time when folk said that Boris Johnson reminded them of Winston Churchill...."Darkest Hour" anyone?edmundintokyo said:
She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.Andy_JS said:
I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.IanB2 said:
Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.Andy_JS said:Betfair Sportsbook:
Sunak 3
Truss 4.5
Gove 7
Hunt 10
Javid 15
Dowden 15
Patel 17
Tugendhat 17
Mordaunt 17
https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.1952988790 -
On topicRoger said:
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.
The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.0 -
If it wasn't for Macron it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative testsRoger said:
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/1 -
Fixed your typo.HYUFD said:
If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative testsRoger said:
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
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This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.FrancisUrquhart said:
Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.Foxy said:
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.0 -
Not doing you a world of good Francis.FrancisUrquhart said:Puerto Rico is reporting a rapid surge in coronavirus cases. 1,755 new cases were reported today, an increase of more than 1,000% from last week https://t.co/k5KjNjDHLM https://t.co/zueVynvuBy
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It will also, I suspect, mean red flags rather than the safety car in the last x laps so that you get a proper finale rather than finishing as a parade behind said safety car.Sandpit said:
I get the feeling that the agreement whereby Mercedes dropped their appeal, has a review of the sport’s operation that doesn’t see Mr Masi remain in his post next year.Mexicanpete said:
Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.Sandpit said:
They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.
The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
WWF on wheels!
Those whose job is primarily safety, should not allow themselves to be influenced by the competitors, nor the commercial rights holder.
Companies such as Daimler, McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin, are not interested in investing billions of dollars to participate in WWF1.
The last lap would have been fair if both Lewis and Max were starting with tires of the same age.2 -
If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigGMexicanpete said:
On topicRoger said:
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.
The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.0 -
Morning folks. Excellent fight last night I agree with Eddie Hearn. Derek Chisora is probably the toughest man on the planet.0
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Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.edmundintokyo said:
This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.FrancisUrquhart said:
Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.Foxy said:
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.0 -
It is at times like this I think back to Liz Truss's cheese speech.0
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It used to be viewed as a strength of the British Constitution that Parliament could change a govt at speed - which meant it could *respond* to crises, rather than be *paralysed* by them.
No one thought to ask how requiring a month-long ballot of party members might change that.0 -
As for Covid regardless of the legal restrictions the govt should make payments to hospitality.0
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Nothing to do with Brexit, free movement or not there should be nothing to stop British travellers who are vaccinated and negative for Covid travelling to the continent, however Macron is simply settling scores post BrexitIanB2 said:
Fixed your typo.HYUFD said:
If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative testsRoger said:
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/0 -
Oh and on the EU and May's deal of course we could have left the backstop. We could just have left it. At any time, just like we could and indeed did leave the EU itself. We are and always were sovereign.0
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That is all. Have a good day pop pickers.0
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We don't need it in my opinion.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?0 -
And now Smith drops one...
That's the first bit of luck England have had, but it won't last.0 -
Even by your standards, that's a logic fail.HYUFD said:
Nothing to do with Brexit..(snip)..however Macron is simply settling scores post BrexitIanB2 said:
Fixed your typo.HYUFD said:
If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative testsRoger said:
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
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What on earth are you talking aboutHYUFD said:
If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigGMexicanpete said:
On topicRoger said:
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.
The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
I am categorically not a fanboy of Boris who needs to go
End of story
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Also hard to imagine Macron wouldn't be doing this even if we still were in the EU, whether it allowed him to or not.HYUFD said:
Nothing to do with Brexit, free movement or not there should be nothing to stop British travellers who are vaccinated and negative for Covid travelling to the continent, however Macron is simply settling scores post BrexitIanB2 said:
Fixed your typo.HYUFD said:
If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative testsRoger said:
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/1 -
A circuit breaker is only going to be a prelude for a six month lockdown in this scenario.HYUFD said:
If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigGMexicanpete said:
On topicRoger said:
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.
The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.1 -
Oh. VR. I have an Oculus. It's excellent. The boxing game is really good and a great workout. Not the same as getting twatted around the head in a ring but really lockdown (edit: not knockdown. Geddit) good.FrancisUrquhart said:
Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.edmundintokyo said:
This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.FrancisUrquhart said:
Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.Foxy said:
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
Other games are quite fun also.0 -
Like I said, it won't last...0
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Boris would lose a VONC amongst Tory MPs well before he got to thatnoneoftheabove said:
A circuit breaker is only going to be a prelude for a six month lockdown in this scenario.HYUFD said:
If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigGMexicanpete said:
On topicRoger said:
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.
The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.0 -
The key statement is exactly this "its not the same as"....the vision for the metaverse is that you are transported into a virtual world that is a believable replacement for the real world.TOPPING said:
Oh. VR. I have an Oculus. It's excellent. The boxing game is really good and a great workout. Not the same as getting twatted around the head in a ring but really lockdown (edit: not knockdown. Geddit) good.FrancisUrquhart said:
Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.edmundintokyo said:
This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.FrancisUrquhart said:
Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.Foxy said:
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
Other games are quite fun also.0 -
Nothing to do with Brexit other than Macron having a strop again and seeing what he can do to punish the Brits for voting for itIanB2 said:
Even by your standards, that's a logic fail.HYUFD said:
Nothing to do with Brexit..(snip)..however Macron is simply settling scores post BrexitIanB2 said:
Fixed your typo.HYUFD said:
If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative testsRoger said:
No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.HYUFD said:
In December?Roger said:The views outside my house......
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"Stage is set for a spectacular battle between Truss and Sunak to take PM’s job
ISABEL OAKESHOTT"
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Surely every six months there will be an improvement.FrancisUrquhart said:
The key statement is exactly this "its not the same as"....the vision for the metaverse is that you are transported into a virtual world that is a believable replacement for the real world.TOPPING said:
Oh. VR. I have an Oculus. It's excellent. The boxing game is really good and a great workout. Not the same as getting twatted around the head in a ring but really lockdown (edit: not knockdown. Geddit) good.FrancisUrquhart said:
Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.edmundintokyo said:
This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.FrancisUrquhart said:
Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.Foxy said:
Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?FrancisUrquhart said:
Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.Sandpit said:
Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.Foxy said:Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19
Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
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Maybe; or maybe not. One comparison (which I steal from Benedict Evans) is that VR might turn out like the internet or smartphones, where the tech got better and better and now everybody uses it; or it might turn out like games consoles, where the tech got better and better but the total market of people who buy them seems to have a relatively low ceiling.edmundintokyo said:This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.
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That is the kind of definitive statement that see Andrea Leadsom ending up as PM.Andy_JS said:"Stage is set for a spectacular battle between Truss and Sunak to take PM’s job
ISABEL OAKESHOTT"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17081696/isabel-oakeshott-johnson-sunak-truss/0 -
Good thread, which concludes:
Frost's departure is symptomatic of BJ's weakness - and weakens him further, since he was one of the PM's few real allies. If he has any sense, Johnson will focus on his domestic problems and try to avoid big fights with EU. By-election showed Brexit no longer a vote-winner. END
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Please don't. Not even as a joke. We've all suffered enough.Alistair said:
That is the kind of definitive statement that see Andrea Leadsom ending up as PM.Andy_JS said:"Stage is set for a spectacular battle between Truss and Sunak to take PM’s job
ISABEL OAKESHOTT"
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Which is why it will be presented as a circuit breaker, then extended to end of Jan, then another review middle of Feb, etcHYUFD said:
Boris would lose a VONC amongst Tory MPs well before he got to thatnoneoftheabove said:
A circuit breaker is only going to be a prelude for a six month lockdown in this scenario.HYUFD said:
If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigGMexicanpete said:
On topicRoger said:
Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!Roger said:The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)
https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.
The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
What are the realistic conditions where the reasons to go into lockdown no longer apply?
Either we stay open, or we realistically have to wait for an omicron vaccine to be designed, get approval, produced, get enough supply here in another global race for the specific vaccines, and then a 2-3 month roll out.0
