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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,275
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Quick unsolicited advice on what next after Frost. Three ways to do replacement if you are Number 10 - path they choose will tell you a lot about nature of political operation left in building 1/

    Option one. Go with true believer Brexiteer from backbenches. Assuming someone willing to take the job, this will get you c.12 hours breathing space with latest incarnation of ERG and please some excitable folk. 2/

    Won't work in long run because this Government is not going to invoke Article 16 next year - and nor should they in the short term. Cue resignation, WhatsApp bloodletting, compounding chaos 3/

    Option Two. Go with largely anonymous safe pair of hands. Fine. But there's no political advance by doing this. And said individual will become target for those mourning Frost the man and myth. Compounding chaos again 4/

    Ps on Frost man and myth, depending on your politics he seems this morning to be somewhere between Abraham Lincoln and over promoted booze lobbyist. Suspect neither caricature true - but fascinating to watch narratives nonetheless 5/

    Option Three. Give it to the Foreign Secretary where arguably should reside. Triggering Article 16 somewhat more impactful decision than trade deal with Australia. Politically this helps Johnson because tests LT mettle with Brexit BBs and whether for real or just words 6/

    Positive inflection for Team Truss is that it offers them platform to do something politically hard. she can conclude to satisfaction of both ERG and wider party then leadership is hers to lose 7/end


    https://twitter.com/NIHargrave/status/1472482396918489088

    Option 4: Is Gove not somewhat underemployed at the moment? He has impeccable credentials with the head bangers but is clever enough to be pragmatic and get this sorted. He may consider it a demotion now that the caravan has moved on somewhat but it could perhaps be combined with his other duties.
    Another one who has failed at everything he has had to do, always runs off/ dumped when it goes tits up , he could not beat a carpet. If that is the Tories best then they really are in the merde big time. An invisible insidious useless little creep.
  • From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326
    Cookie said:

    Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721

    I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.

    Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

    My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?

    Trevor Phillips tried to push Javid on the input assumptions, and quoted Medley. Did not give a satisfactory answer. It’s clear to me that something is rotten somewhere here. Now they might be right, and omicron may indeed just be the same severity as delta. But it doesn’t look like it is from SA data, and so far there are at least two plausible biological routes for it to be less severe.
    Time will tell, and if by Christmas the hospitals are getting swamped by people admitted because of Covid* then I will admit I am wrong.

    *Not with Covid, but for a different reason, and not picked up in hospital.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    DavidL said:



    Option 4: Is Gove not somewhat underemployed at the moment?

    He's keeping busy.


  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,275

    Scott_xP said:

    Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
    Ouch.

    https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1472310341828755460

    In fairness, short of dying on the job, surely everyone ends an employment by either resigning or being sacked?
    To be even fairer you would have thought they could have found one person that was up to the job.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Sandpit said:

    F1: preliminary schedule up:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2022.html

    I wonder if Saudi Arabia, pencilled in as number two race, will be updated. High speeds, close walls, and blind corners are overdoing it there, I think.

    That’s a very tight schedule, to get in 23 races between mid-March and November. Four races in July, and four more in September.

    Pretty sure there will be some work on the Saudi track over the winter, that was really quite dangerous in places.
    Interesting comment. It implies there were places where it was not dangerous. Where were they?

    Totally agree on the schedule. Ridiculously bloated.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,490
    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    edited December 2021

    The underlying issue here is that Sunak is very, very dry on spending, to a Thatcherite level. I know of other cases where he has flatly refused to authorise expenditure even in the case where - as in hospitality - government action is causing real harm to a particular group of people. He wants to go into the next election - preferably as PM - as the man who slashed income tax, and every penny spent on anything new in the meantime is a penny too much.

    That's arguably the traditional role of the Chancellor if you take a narrow departmental view. It's equally traditionally balanced by the strength of other Cabinet ministers and the power of the PM to strike a balance. But at present the rest of the Cabinet is weak - how many can quickly name the Education and Transport Secretaries of State? - and Johnson's authority is sapped. In the absence of the counterbalance, Scrooge rules.

    That won't always be wrong, of course. Not every penny of government money is wisely-spent. But it drives one sector after another to the brink, and poitically there is an important cost to that. The Government is losing the backing of large businesses, small businesses and farmers, three of its bedrock supports. It is falling back on its core vote of people for whom voting Tory is simply a habit. And, as Labour found in the Red Wall, habits don't last forever.

    As others have noted, the issue isn't really whether the Government is libertarian or not. People are avoiding restaurants and shops to protect their families, irrespective of what Ministers tell them to do. The issue is that by avoiding making it official policy, the Government gets out of helping the businesses disproportionately affected.

    Yes, but you'd hope that restaurants and other businesses received support for some end - i.e. that it would be bad for both society and the economy if a temporary pandemic sends thousands of otherwise perfectly viable enterprises into bankruptcy - rather than on the technical point of merely compensating for the direct effect of the government's own decisions.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,321
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.

    They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.

    The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
    Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.

    WWF on wheels!
  • Foxy said:

    From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.

    It's not as if this is a government known for erratic changes of policy after putting a minister out to defend the policy!
    Good point...if you notice, i did caveat it with today...tomorrow is a clean slate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569

    Cookie said:

    Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721

    I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.

    Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

    My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?

    Trevor Phillips tried to push Javid on the input assumptions, and quoted Medley. Did not give a satisfactory answer. It’s clear to me that something is rotten somewhere here. Now they might be right, and omicron may indeed just be the same severity as delta. But it doesn’t look like it is from SA data, and so far there are at least two plausible biological routes for it to be less severe.
    Time will tell, and if by Christmas the hospitals are getting swamped by people admitted because of Covid* then I will admit I am wrong.

    *Not with Covid, but for a different reason, and not picked up in hospital.
    Considering how difficult and only partly successful it has been to prevent covid transmission in hospital, I would expect hospital acquired Omicron to sweep through the wards.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,276

    Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?

    It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.

    The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."
  • Tessy Villers more lugubrious than a BBC announcement of a royal death over Frosty’s departure. Not ruling herself out of taking the post.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734

    From Javid comments, it doesn't sound like any movement on new restrictions today.

    Jesus, the bar for a good news story is pretty low nowadays. "Government probably hasn't decided to capriciously fuck everyone over today. Check back tomorrow!"
  • @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    Mr Ace. you deserve a life time ban for posting that photo! I scrolled down to it and nearly brought up my breakfast egg!
  • Cricket is men vs boys. Every ball is a hand grenade.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Has this thread been discussed yet - conversation between Fraser Nelson and Graham Medley of the sage modelling committee:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamMedley/status/1472180776066334721

    I've been sent it by three different people. Short synopsis: the modelling sage has done presents a worst case scenario, and does so at the behest of whoever commissioned the model. But it makes no comment on the likelihood of that scenario. In effect, a policy has been decided (I.e. further lockdowns) and modellers at sage have been asked to produce the models to justify this.

    Fraser Nelson gives a fuller synopsis here:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

    My question is who is commissioning this pre-engineered guff, and why? Fraserburgh Nelson thinks not Saj. But if not him, who?

    Trevor Phillips tried to push Javid on the input assumptions, and quoted Medley. Did not give a satisfactory answer. It’s clear to me that something is rotten somewhere here. Now they might be right, and omicron may indeed just be the same severity as delta. But it doesn’t look like it is from SA data, and so far there are at least two plausible biological routes for it to be less severe.
    Time will tell, and if by Christmas the hospitals are getting swamped by people admitted because of Covid* then I will admit I am wrong.

    *Not with Covid, but for a different reason, and not picked up in hospital.
    Considering how difficult and only partly successful it has been to prevent covid transmission in hospital, I would expect hospital acquired Omicron to sweep through the wards.
    Sadly I think you are right. I saw something last night that suggested a quarter of Covid admissions in London picked it up in hospital.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    edited December 2021
    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/
  • Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19
  • Puerto Rico is reporting a rapid surge in coronavirus cases. 1,755 new cases were reported today, an increase of more than 1,000% from last week https://t.co/k5KjNjDHLM https://t.co/zueVynvuBy
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.

    They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.

    The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
    Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.

    WWF on wheels!
    I get the feeling that the agreement whereby Mercedes dropped their appeal, has a review of the sport’s operation that doesn’t see Mr Masi remain in his post next year.

    Those whose job is primarily safety, should not allow themselves to be influenced by the competitors, nor the commercial rights holder.

    Companies such as Daimler, McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin, are not interested in investing billions of dollars to participate in WWF1.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Scott_xP said:

    Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
    Ouch.

    https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1472310341828755460

    In fairness, short of dying on the job, surely everyone ends an employment by either resigning or being sacked?
    Job, not employment. So promotion is a possible exit.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846

    Tessy Villers more lugubrious than a BBC announcement of a royal death over Frosty’s departure. Not ruling herself out of taking the post.

    Well you'd have to be really stupid to want a job like that.

    So...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Roger said:
    In December?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734

    Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?

    It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.

    The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."
    Well yes. But I don't think common courtesy should be mandated the state. It is too hard to draw the line correctly.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326

    Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?

    It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.

    The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."
    I think it’s something we should encourage, but it runs counter to the presenteeism culture ingrained in many of us.
    For the lucky ones who can work from home, and I can do a fair amount of my job from home, but by no means all, I think we do need to be better at being sick, and behaving sensibly. For others in jobs where it’s not possible that’s going to be harder, and sick pay is not always as good as mine is.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326

    @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

    Does sidmouth ever rock?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846

    @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

    Does sidmouth ever rock?
    https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Sidmouth-Devon.htm
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,519
    IanB2 said:



    Yes, but you'd hope that restaurants and other businesses received support for some end - i.e. that it would be bad for both society and the economy if a temporary pandemic sends thousands of otherwise perfectly viable enterprises into bankruptcy - rather than on the technical point of merely compensating for the direct effect of the government's own decisions.

    There is a potentially legitimate debate about whether habits are changing to the point that the restaurant/pub/nightclub sector is larger than is ultimately sustainable. But that's largely a free market issue - even the most dedicated Trotskyist wouldn't favour the government decreeing that we should have a certain number of pubs. Where Government has a legitimate role is in easing disruption due to special crises (especially if they are partly causing them by nods and inks to consumers). If York is flooded, aid is rushed in to help in the emergency. Nobody expects York then to get a permanent subsidy, but few would argue that we should simply shrug.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited December 2021
    Fantastic cricket ground at Sidmouth with cracking teas.

    Scored a nice Joe Root type score there back in the day.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401

    @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

    Does sidmouth ever rock?
    I think you can buy it there!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,490
    edited December 2021
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326
    IanB2 said:

    @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

    Does sidmouth ever rock?
    https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Sidmouth-Devon.htm
    Excellent link. I’ve visited that website for lots locations on the coast as I love fossil hunting.
  • Do you think we should make it illegal for anyone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their home so they might infect others?

    It is common courtesy and basic good public health to encourage a culture whereby people with a respiratory infection stay at home to avoid spreading it to other people.

    The Irish government have been running some good ads on this theme, "we're all so glad you didn't come."
    Courtesy is a public choice.

    Are you seriously saying it should be a criminal offence for someone with a common cold coronavirus to leave their house and risk infecting others?

    Or are you prepared to accept the risk of people spreading respiratory illnesses including coronaviruses, so we're just debating where the line should be drawn?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734

    Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19

    This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.
    It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
    It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
  • Mr. Roger, it's possible it was fat finger syndrome.

    It's happened to me before, and my posts are always rigorously on-topic, as we know.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

    Does sidmouth ever rock?
    Only when the cliffs fall on the beach...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?
  • Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Reaction from a (senior) EU diplomat: “Until now, every British Brexit negotiator has resigned or was sacked. Is it because Brexit is bad for Britain and leaves UK negotiators with the impossible task of squaring the circle?”
    Ouch.

    https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1472310341828755460

    In fairness, short of dying on the job, surely everyone ends an employment by either resigning or being sacked?
    To be even fairer you would have thought they could have found one person that was up to the job.
    Not if the job is impossible and self-contradictory
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited December 2021
    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Didn't we already have the "metaverse", with stuff like Second Life fad?

    Even though I am a bit in the crypto space, it seems bollocks to me. Defi and NFTs as a technology (not stupid cartoonn pics), I get those, metaverse nah.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    Cookie said:

    Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19

    This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.
    It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
    It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
    Good thought. The question is; was the late Senator vaccinated against Covid or not?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,321
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.

    They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.

    The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
    Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.

    WWF on wheels!
    I get the feeling that the agreement whereby Mercedes dropped their appeal, has a review of the sport’s operation that doesn’t see Mr Masi remain in his post next year.

    Those whose job is primarily safety, should not allow themselves to be influenced by the competitors, nor the commercial rights holder.

    Companies such as Daimler, McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin, are not interested in investing billions of dollars to participate in WWF1.
    I note you left Red Bull Racing off your list.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited December 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    My mother much to my surprise yesterday said she likes Liz Truss, mind you she was also liked Theresa May before she became PM. May of course also presented herself as Maggie 2 for a time
  • Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    I don't trust myself to have much of a feeling as to what utterly stupid decision the Tories might take next. So I'm just making the occasional low stakes lay of the favourite when they appear to be over-bought, and just hoping to finish in the green at the end.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.
    I note that most, if not all the 'deals' Ms Truss has struck are in effect rehashes pdf the deal which existed, in effect, while we were part of the EU.
    Is this a cunning plan to seamlessly re-enter?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734

    Cookie said:

    Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19

    This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.
    It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
    It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
    Good thought. The question is; was the late Senator vaccinated against Covid or not?
    Ha, don't know.
    I suppose it's also perfectly possible to be against vaccination on principle even while accepting that this would lead to significantly worse health outcomes (including the death of yourself) but I'd struggle to think what those principles would be!
  • Mr. Urquhart, it does have some interesting potential applications (such as immersion therapy to try and overcome phobias).

    They pissed off Oculus owners, if memory serves, by making them use Facebook in order to operate the gear, which led to lots of them shifting to other VR sets.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,464

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.
    there was a time when folk said that Boris Johnson reminded them of Winston Churchill...."Darkest Hour" anyone?
  • Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    I think it's the other way around, Zuckerberg has been into 3d virtual worlds since Second Life came out and bought Oculus as part of that strategy. Zuck is much smarter than you or I, so I wouldn't write them off.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846

    IanB2 said:

    @DavidL I think you’ve personally experienced the difference between youthful big city England and old conservative market town England.

    Glad you enjoyed the Toon :)

    Leeds was rocking last weekend when I was there. I am now in Sidmouth. It is not rocking!

    Does sidmouth ever rock?
    https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Sidmouth-Devon.htm
    Excellent link. I’ve visited that website for lots locations on the coast as I love fossil hunting.
    Here on the island it's fossil central. There are dinosaur toes just lying about on the beach.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.
    there was a time when folk said that Boris Johnson reminded them of Winston Churchill...."Darkest Hour" anyone?
    Is there anyone other than Johnson himself who thought that?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited December 2021
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
    Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.

    AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Washington state Senator Doug Ericksen, who sponsored legislation to prohibit COVID-19 vaccine mandates, has died after a battle with COVID-19

    This isn't necessarily as ironic as it's presented.
    It is a perfectly coherent position to be pro-vaccine but anti vaccine-mandate.
    It is also a perfectly valid position to oppose vaccine mandates as an unacceptable imposition on freedom even while accepting that the price of this will be more deaths (which naturally may include that of yourself).
    Good thought. The question is; was the late Senator vaccinated against Covid or not?
    Ha, don't know.
    I suppose it's also perfectly possible to be against vaccination on principle even while accepting that this would lead to significantly worse health outcomes (including the death of yourself) but I'd struggle to think what those principles would be!
    It's also of course possible that he was fully in favour of vaccination but opposed to the idea of people being forced to be vaccinated to keep their jobs.

    We see that on here with say @Anabobazina or @Philip_Thompson who are in favour of vaccines but against compulsion. Which is a perfectly coherent position.

    I don't know whether he was, I'm just suggesting a possibility. @SeaShantyIrish2 would know more.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
  • Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.
    I note that most, if not all the 'deals' Ms Truss has struck are in effect rehashes pdf the deal which existed, in effect, while we were part of the EU.
    Is this a cunning plan to seamlessly re-enter?
    They're *mostly* copy-pastes of existing EU deals but she was bright enough to either add some minor stuff that wasn't in the EU deals or make it sound like she'd done that, which is the closest Brexit has ever got to working.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    edited December 2021
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Sportsbook:

    Sunak 3
    Truss 4.5
    Gove 7
    Hunt 10
    Javid 15
    Dowden 15
    Patel 17
    Tugendhat 17
    Mordaunt 17

    https://www.betfair.com/sport/politics/uk-politics/2214287/next-conservative-leader-after-boris-johnson/924.195298879

    Having laid Boris, I am staying mostly out of this market. It's too easy to think "no sensible person would ever put that person in charge" and lay them on the basis of logic rather than politics.
    I'm starting to think Tory MPs and members are supporting Liz Truss because she reminds them of Mrs Thatcher. I can't think of many other reasons why she's suddenly become second favourite to be next leader and prime minister.
    She's kind of sunnily optimistic, not obviously incompetent like Boris, and she succeeded in getting some trade deals done which, although not particularly important in the grand scheme of things are a Brexiter talking point, and also the government's only achievement.
    there was a time when folk said that Boris Johnson reminded them of Winston Churchill...."Darkest Hour" anyone?
    Is there anyone other than Johnson himself who thought that?
    You can make a case that there are a fair few similarities with their careers, if you ignore the bit at the end where it all comes good (or, more strictly, skip over that bit straight to the very final bit where it all fell apart)?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,321
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
    On topic

    Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.

    The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
    If it wasn't for Macron it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative tests
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
    If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative tests
    Fixed your typo.
  • Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
    Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.

    AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
    This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842

    Puerto Rico is reporting a rapid surge in coronavirus cases. 1,755 new cases were reported today, an increase of more than 1,000% from last week https://t.co/k5KjNjDHLM https://t.co/zueVynvuBy

    Not doing you a world of good Francis.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,270
    edited December 2021
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, my thoughts exactly. Twenty races is quite sufficient.

    They’re more likely to go for 25 rather than 20 though, as demand to host a race has never been higher and Liberty have paid a fortune for the commercial rights.

    The teams have already said that 22 is too many for the mechanics and garage crews, are looking to hire a second shift to alternate races, or start chartering planes. Even the engineers - who fly business class, turn up on Thursday afternooon and leave Sunday evening - say it’s getting too busy.
    Surely it doesn't matter how many races, so long as the last one finishes like the "Whacky Races" or "MarioKart64". Apparently the Dick Dastardly stuff and Michael "Donkey Kong" Masi throwing banana skins at competitors make it more of a spectacle.

    WWF on wheels!
    I get the feeling that the agreement whereby Mercedes dropped their appeal, has a review of the sport’s operation that doesn’t see Mr Masi remain in his post next year.

    Those whose job is primarily safety, should not allow themselves to be influenced by the competitors, nor the commercial rights holder.

    Companies such as Daimler, McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin, are not interested in investing billions of dollars to participate in WWF1.
    It will also, I suspect, mean red flags rather than the safety car in the last x laps so that you get a proper finale rather than finishing as a parade behind said safety car.

    The last lap would have been fair if both Lewis and Max were starting with tires of the same age.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
    On topic

    Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.

    The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
    If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigG
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    edited December 2021
    Morning folks. Excellent fight last night I agree with Eddie Hearn. Derek Chisora is probably the toughest man on the planet.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited December 2021

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
    Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.

    AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
    This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.
    Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.

    That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    It is at times like this I think back to Liz Truss's cheese speech.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,270
    Robert Saunders
    @redhistorian
    ·
    4m
    It used to be viewed as a strength of the British Constitution that Parliament could change a govt at speed - which meant it could *respond* to crises, rather than be *paralysed* by them.

    No one thought to ask how requiring a month-long ballot of party members might change that.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    As for Covid regardless of the legal restrictions the govt should make payments to hospitality.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
    If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative tests
    Fixed your typo.
    Nothing to do with Brexit, free movement or not there should be nothing to stop British travellers who are vaccinated and negative for Covid travelling to the continent, however Macron is simply settling scores post Brexit
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,955
    Alistair said:

    It is at times like this I think back to Liz Truss's cheese speech.

    Read the puff piece in today's Times
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    Oh and on the EU and May's deal of course we could have left the backstop. We could just have left it. At any time, just like we could and indeed did leave the EU itself. We are and always were sovereign.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    That is all. Have a good day pop pickers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,490
    edited December 2021
    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    We don't need it in my opinion.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    And now Smith drops one...

    That's the first bit of luck England have had, but it won't last.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
    If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative tests
    Fixed your typo.
    Nothing to do with Brexit..(snip)..however Macron is simply settling scores post Brexit
    Even by your standards, that's a logic fail.
  • HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
    On topic

    Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.

    The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
    If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigG
    What on earth are you talking about

    I am categorically not a fanboy of Boris who needs to go

    End of story
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
    If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative tests
    Fixed your typo.
    Nothing to do with Brexit, free movement or not there should be nothing to stop British travellers who are vaccinated and negative for Covid travelling to the continent, however Macron is simply settling scores post Brexit
    Also hard to imagine Macron wouldn't be doing this even if we still were in the EU, whether it allowed him to or not.
  • HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
    On topic

    Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.

    The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
    If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigG
    A circuit breaker is only going to be a prelude for a six month lockdown in this scenario.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    edited December 2021

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
    Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.

    AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
    This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.
    Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.

    That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
    Oh. VR. I have an Oculus. It's excellent. The boxing game is really good and a great workout. Not the same as getting twatted around the head in a ring but really lockdown (edit: not knockdown. Geddit) good.

    Other games are quite fun also.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Like I said, it won't last...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
    On topic

    Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.

    The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
    If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigG
    A circuit breaker is only going to be a prelude for a six month lockdown in this scenario.
    Boris would lose a VONC amongst Tory MPs well before he got to that
  • TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
    Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.

    AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
    This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.
    Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.

    That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
    Oh. VR. I have an Oculus. It's excellent. The boxing game is really good and a great workout. Not the same as getting twatted around the head in a ring but really lockdown (edit: not knockdown. Geddit) good.

    Other games are quite fun also.
    The key statement is exactly this "its not the same as"....the vision for the metaverse is that you are transported into a virtual world that is a believable replacement for the real world.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:
    In December?
    No it's much prettier than that at the moment with the low sun but it's glorious sunshine and if it wasn't for your comrades in the Tory Party the South of France or Venice or Forence or Palma would be as accessible as Newcastle or Bristol or Aberdeen or even Cumbria.
    If it wasn't for MacronBrexit it would still be easily accessible for travellers who were vaccinated and had had negative tests
    Fixed your typo.
    Nothing to do with Brexit..(snip)..however Macron is simply settling scores post Brexit
    Even by your standards, that's a logic fail.
    Nothing to do with Brexit other than Macron having a strop again and seeing what he can do to punish the Brits for voting for it
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,490
    "Stage is set for a spectacular battle between Truss and Sunak to take PM’s job
    ISABEL OAKESHOTT"

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17081696/isabel-oakeshott-johnson-sunak-truss/
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Off topic. Nick Clegg interviewed in the Metaverse:

    https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1471406289939058690?t=Mcphsq4GAg2CRo6oWLHUWg&s=19

    Does anyone really want this, or is it like the fad for 3d televisions?

    Facebook wants it, as they want to run the platform. Everyone else, not so much.
    Also because they own Oculus and VR has never really taken off.
    Is the reason because "Actual Reality" beats "Virtual Reality" at anything more than a novelty level?
    Having used all the VR headsets they just aren't that good, also having to use "controllers" totally breaks any immersion. And that's before the issues of motion sickness a lot of people suffer.

    AR i am much more bullish on, but again the tech isn't there e.g. Hololens, its too narrow a field of view that it can work.
    This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.
    Perhaps....but there needs to be a huge step change. I have used all the state of the art VR systems, with rigs thats cost $10ks i.e. more than any home user can realistically afford, and its all miles off.

    That isn't coming to a living room near you anytime soon. And i am still far from convinced people want it. 3D tv failed because people didn't want to sit at home wearing goggles.
    Oh. VR. I have an Oculus. It's excellent. The boxing game is really good and a great workout. Not the same as getting twatted around the head in a ring but really lockdown (edit: not knockdown. Geddit) good.

    Other games are quite fun also.
    The key statement is exactly this "its not the same as"....the vision for the metaverse is that you are transported into a virtual world that is a believable replacement for the real world.
    Surely every six months there will be an improvement.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,122

    This is why you shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't got traction, it won't get traction. Like say electric cars it's hard to make it good enough that anyone except enthusiasts will use it, but if you can finally make it good enough with a lot of money and persistence then it could potentially grow very fast.

    Maybe; or maybe not. One comparison (which I steal from Benedict Evans) is that VR might turn out like the internet or smartphones, where the tech got better and better and now everybody uses it; or it might turn out like games consoles, where the tech got better and better but the total market of people who buy them seems to have a relatively low ceiling.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Alistair said:

    It is at times like this I think back to Liz Truss's cheese speech.

    You do? How could you?

    That. Is. A. Disgrace.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Andy_JS said:

    "Stage is set for a spectacular battle between Truss and Sunak to take PM’s job
    ISABEL OAKESHOTT"

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17081696/isabel-oakeshott-johnson-sunak-truss/

    That is the kind of definitive statement that see Andrea Leadsom ending up as PM.
  • Good thread, which concludes:

    Frost's departure is symptomatic of BJ's weakness - and weakens him further, since he was one of the PM's few real allies. If he has any sense, Johnson will focus on his domestic problems and try to avoid big fights with EU. By-election showed Brexit no longer a vote-winner. END

    https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1472355073875398659?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Stage is set for a spectacular battle between Truss and Sunak to take PM’s job
    ISABEL OAKESHOTT"

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17081696/isabel-oakeshott-johnson-sunak-truss/

    That is the kind of definitive statement that see Andrea Leadsom ending up as PM.
    Please don't. Not even as a joke. We've all suffered enough.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    The views outside my house...... (Nearly everything open. Everyone wearing masks in shops)

    https://www.ourworldforyou.com/charming-villefranche-sur-mer-france/

    Someone pressed the off-Topic button. A quick flick through the thread will show that my post was about the only post ON-TOPIC!
    On topic

    Or the fanbois are so grumpy at the prospect of some kind of circuit breaker/lockdown that they are taking out their ire on innocent centrist Remainer posters.

    The circuit breaker, should it happen, will take some humble pie consumption by Johnsonian enthusiasts, who having heartily guffawed at the (admittedly poorly executed) circuit breaker in Wales in November 2020 will have to spin it as Johnsonian genius.
    If Boris imposes a circuit breaker lockdown, judging by last night's posts the only Boris fanboy left would be BigG
    A circuit breaker is only going to be a prelude for a six month lockdown in this scenario.
    Boris would lose a VONC amongst Tory MPs well before he got to that
    Which is why it will be presented as a circuit breaker, then extended to end of Jan, then another review middle of Feb, etc

    What are the realistic conditions where the reasons to go into lockdown no longer apply?

    Either we stay open, or we realistically have to wait for an omicron vaccine to be designed, get approval, produced, get enough supply here in another global race for the specific vaccines, and then a 2-3 month roll out.
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