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  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Lewis paying for his honesty there, roles reversed Max would have ensured a crash and taken it to next week.
  • ydoethur said:

    That wasn't the steward, it was the race director. The stewards weren't involved. They may be about that formation lap.
    OK but why are the teams negotiating with the race director either?

    Surely the race director should be telling them what's going on, not negotiating it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    That was catastrophic from Hamilton's point of view. It could only have been worse if he'd actually crashed.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Only show in town now is hoping those mediums don't last, but no sign of deg on this track at all so far.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    Hamilton did really well to not do serious damage to his car at that start.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    ydoethur said:

    That was catastrophic from Hamilton's point of view. It could only have been worse if he'd actually crashed.

    Nah, crash for them both is clearly better than a Max win, which would basically end the championship.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    maaarsh said:

    Nah, crash for them both is clearly better than a Max win, which would basically end the championship.
    It would have been Hamilton and Ocon who would have crashed. Verstappen would then have won and TSE would have been weeping all the way to the bank.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,480

    I have just switched to the race and it seems unfathomable to me as to what is going on

    Could someone enlighten me on how this effects Hamilton

    It's much simpler with a 3 mile handicap chase at Lingfield, my friend.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Sector 1 is too twisty to follow, going to be a procession from here frankly.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    ydoethur said:

    It would have been Hamilton and Ocon who would have crashed. Verstappen would then have won and TSE would have been weeping all the way to the bank.
    Roles reversed, Max would easily have ensured it was him and Lewis that crashed. With Max on the inside there, all it needed was a steer of them both in to the vanishing wedge to the left.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    Drinking till after midnight and playing party games has not been a feature of our staff non-party get-togethers. But I think the subject's been done to death - pretty obviously the rules were hypocritically broken, and nobody is especially surprised. Either the the "One rule for them" thing worries people or it doesn't - according to the North Shropshire report today, most people just shrug and say "They're all at it".
    That was my thinking on the subject - that and a strong desire to report Barry Gardiner to the Met for his own breaching of Covid Rules last year. As I remember it he tweeted a picture of himself at a BLM protest saying he was taking a break from social distancing.
  • Lack of power by Verstappen whatever that means
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    IshmaelZ said:

    Um.. you realise you can listen to that stuff without paying for a licence?
    Yeah I realise that. But its the reason I don't mind paying the TV license.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    edited December 2021

    Lack of power by Verstappen whatever that means

    He can't control the stewards?

    Edit - let me guess. Another red flag.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    1) I'm tight.
    2) It's £30 a month.
    3) I'd rather have five pints.
    4) I don't want to have to spend my Saturday and Sunday afternoons in front of the TV; and if I spent that much, I'd feel the need to get my moneysworth.

    We're reasonably comfortably well off - enough for me not to have to work at the moment. One of the reasons for this is that, although we have a good income, we watch what we spend. We're not too tight - we buy lots of stuff - but we are careful. And before you know, it a subscription to Sky, Netflix, Disney etc gets into real money.

    I've also sort-of grown out of love with F1. I've been watching it since it was first regularly shown on BBC 1 in the late 1970s when I was very young, and there are often better ways for me to spend Sunday afternoon. I used to organise my life so I'd be in on a Sunday afternoon; now I can listen to it if I'm out on a walk or run, or driving. And a Sky subs gets you quali and practice as well, and that's a long time. In addition, the little 'un isn't into it, and gets bored watching it (he's very enlightened).

    When I was on my coastal walk, there was an F1 race when I was on the hillside to the south of Eileen Donan castle in Scotland. I couldn't get radio reception, but I could get mobile reception, so a mate would phone me up to let me know what was happening.
    I know what you mean about this. I was an avid sports watcher not so long ago but now I can’t figure out how I ever had time for it. These days it’s international cricket while doing something else, summer football tournaments and the rugby if I’m somewhere and can’t find an excuse not to join it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    1) I'm tight.
    2) It's £30 a month.
    3) I'd rather have five pints.
    4) I don't want to have to spend my Saturday and Sunday afternoons in front of the TV; and if I spent that much, I'd feel the need to get my moneysworth.

    We're reasonably comfortably well off - enough for me not to have to work at the moment. One of the reasons for this is that, although we have a good income, we watch what we spend. We're not too tight - we buy lots of stuff - but we are careful. And before you know, it a subscription to Sky, Netflix, Disney etc gets into real money.

    I've also sort-of grown out of love with F1. I've been watching it since it was first regularly shown on BBC 1 in the late 1970s when I was very young, and there are often better ways for me to spend Sunday afternoon. I used to organise my life so I'd be in on a Sunday afternoon; now I can listen to it if I'm out on a walk or run, or driving. And a Sky subs gets you quali and practice as well, and that's a long time. In addition, the little 'un isn't into it, and gets bored watching it (he's very enlightened).

    When I was on my coastal walk, there was an F1 race when I was on the hillside to the south of Eileen Donan castle in Scotland. I couldn't get radio reception, but I could get mobile reception, so a mate would phone me up to let me know what was happening.
    I long ago came to the conclusion that paying for sport on telly was a basic cost of living. I’m not an F1 fan but without Sky I could watch almost no sport of any consequence, outside major football tournaments*

    *never understood why people care much about the Olympics - mostly a load of random sports nobody cares about 99% of the time.
  • Lack of power by Verstappen whatever that means

    It means ‘Rool britaneea’.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Expect the definitive verdict on what covid rules will apply over Christmas at the end of next week - 17th or thereabouts.

    Key data esp on vaccine efficacy vs ο still not available.

    Story @theipaper: https://t.co/Qx6IR6KOrG

    That ‘story’ is a nothing burger - there is no news in it whatsoever. A shamefully rubbish front page (non) story.
  • maaarsh said:

    Lewis paying for his honesty there, roles reversed Max would have ensured a crash and taken it to next week.

    Beyond parody.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723

    Beyond parody.
    Yes, you are.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Impossible to follow in S1 - Lewis clearly quicker but relying on another Max error here as he'll never get close enough otherwise.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited December 2021

    That ‘story’ is a nothing burger - there is no news in it whatsoever. A shamefully rubbish front page (non) story.
    Instead of which nearly all of the press seems to have missed the drugs-in-Boris Johnson's office-toilets, and Lindsey Hoyle calling in the police story today. Most odd.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,362

    I long ago came to the conclusion that paying for sport on telly was a basic cost of living. I’m not an F1 fan but without Sky I could watch almost no sport of any consequence, outside major football tournaments*

    *never understood why people care much about the Olympics - mostly a load of random sports nobody cares about 99% of the time.
    F1 (well, motor racing in general) is my only sporting interest. Everything else leaves me fairly cold. Although I did quite like Trans World Sports when that used to be on Ch4 in the mornings.

    As I get older, I realise that I'm time-poor, even when I'm not working. I used to hold down a full-time job, have a girlfriend, walk for sixty days a year and have a couple of other hobbies. Now I find I spend all my time managing a seven-year old and a wife. I'm fairly certain a girlfriend is also out of the question now ... ;)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    No you can't and yes you should apologise. Equating all nationalist movements - or even most of them - with the Nazis is clearly both ignorant and stupid. Was Gandhi a Nazi? Were those fighting for independence for South Somalia or East Timor Nazis? Any of the countries who gained independence from European power post colonialism?

    You might as well equate vegetarians and animal lovers with Nazis as Hitler was both of those. And sadly some have even tried to do that though I would have hoped most posting on PB has a bit more intelligence than that.
    thank you. That is very thoughtfull and well explained.. I do understand equating SNP to Hitler is beyond the pale, here and in all polite and intelligent company. And I apologise to everyone, especially SNP PB-ers 😔

    I’m still a bit confused. Is there not an argument, Nationlislism was woven into and component of Hitlers National Socialism? and when all politicians, not just Hitler, reach for Nationalism is often to be disingenuous and distract from hard questions and problems?
  • Bob Dole was a relic of an era when almost every presidential hopeful was a four-letter word. My favourite anecdote of the time was the lady who said "in my heart I want Bush, in my bush I want Hart."

    Just read of his death. A reminder of a lost era when GOP candidates were decent, constitution-abiding public servants who thought about the republic.

    Compare with the scumbags and cowards who run the party now.*

    *Liz Cheney and Mit Romney excepted.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    The mediums are going to be fine because there is almost no actual racing. Farce.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    Alonso quite rightly calling this out, as this is ridiculous. This is not safe.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,920

    Instead of which, nearly all of the press seems to have missed the drugs-in-Boris Johnson's office-toilets, and Lindsey Hoyle calling in the police story today. Most odd.
    Mexican stand-off.

    No party involved is innocent.
  • I long ago came to the conclusion that paying for sport on telly was a basic cost of living. I’m not an F1 fan but without Sky I could watch almost no sport of any consequence, outside major football tournaments*

    *never understood why people care much about the Olympics - mostly a load of random sports nobody cares about 99% of the time.
    As my name on here hints at ,i am not a team player and so like individual sport as opposed to team sports in the main.Hence I love the Olympics and go to obscure sport events over premier league football for instance. Obsessed by quite individual tactical sports like snooker, modern penthalon , triathlon etc
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    3 laps of VSC and so far zero sign of any marshalls doing anything. Just bizarre.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,362

    Mexican stand-off.

    No party involved is innocent.
    There might be another reason why Westminster-based journalists are keen for this story to disappear...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    maaarsh said:

    3 laps of VSC and so far zero sign of any marshalls doing anything. Just bizarre.

    It's almost as though they are desperately trying to work out how they could clean the track without a red flag.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    maaarsh said:

    3 laps of VSC and so far zero sign of any marshalls doing anything. Just bizarre.

    I wonder if they're going to terminate the race short distance.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,920

    There might be another reason why Westminster-based journalists are keen for this story to disappear...
    Yes, sorry, I was including journalists as an interested party here, if rather ambiguously.

    I'm quite sure the sniffer dogs would find nothing at the BBC. Would they?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited December 2021

    Mexican stand-off.

    No party involved is innocent.
    Indeed, but potentially huge numbers of tabloid advertising clicks to be made from it, for instance. Or contextualising political analysis in the Times or Guardian.

    Considering the other sleaze, double-standards and Covid parties stories circulating at the moment, it's a big story. This is even more so, when you consider Hoyle has just called in the police to something with a trail so near the Prime Minister's office.
  • Yes, sorry, I was including journalists as an interested party here, if rather ambiguously.

    I'm quite sure the sniffer dogs would find nothing at the BBC. Would they?
    IIRC the BBC has some pretty strict random mandatory drug tests.
  • Honestly, this "race"
  • Honestly, this "race"

    Bigger farce than this year's Belgian Grand Prix.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Max cheats again
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    Verstappen surely has to give up the place.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Brasil all over again. Lewis ahead, on racing line, Max deliberately missed corner.

    Stewards really need to show up.
  • FUCKING C***
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    Coulthard and Schumacher all over again!
  • Chaos
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    That has to be a massive penalty
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    "rapid herd immunity at minimal cost in morbidity and mortality...."

    Fingers crossed.....
    Just watched the video, it does look like good news, very transmissible, but very milled symptoms.

    Clearly too soon to say for defiant, but the but the early indication are pointing that way.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    That should be that for Verstappen. Ban him.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,920

    IIRC the BBC has some pretty strict random mandatory drug tests.
    I assume this was brought in after certain children's programmes were made?
  • Totto Wolff's reaction is the same as mine.
  • Does the track not mean anything anymore? How can he cut that corner and get away with it?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    With a 20 second gap, only penalty with any impact would be a DQ.

    Total shit show
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    That has to be a black flag.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    What a stupid “sport”
  • I am rather enjoying this F1 :-)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    This track is quite narrow.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    tlg86 said:

    Coulthard and Schumacher all over again!

    I thought of that as well.

    As I recall, Coulthard finished and Schumacher didn't.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited December 2021
    Total chaos....all arguing with one another.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    No depth this **** won't plumb
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited December 2021
    maaarsh said:

    No depth this **** won't plumb

    This is making Boris CBI speech look like the height of professionalism.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Farcical
  • IIRC the BBC has some pretty strict random mandatory drug tests.
    Sniffer dogs to be deployed in the Commons.

    Haha.

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sniffer-dogs-deployed-to-crack-down-on-commons-cocaine-use-303830/
  • ping said:

    Farcical

    Vroom vrooom...now ehhh hands up who has been to Peppa Pig World....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,645
    I wonder how much LSD addiction they would find at IB protests?

    Perhaps Cannabis is more likely if it makes them psychotic.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    God - this is the most ridiculous race I’ve seen, in a ridiculous season
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    MattW said:

    I wonder how much LSD addiction they would find at IB protests?

    Perhaps Cannabis is more likely if it makes them psychotic.

    Is that what Hamilton and Verstappen are on?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,645
    edited December 2021
    maaarsh said:

    No depth this **** won't plumb

    You having a go at PB?

    Tut.

    We still have to suggest alternative careers for @SeanT. Plenty of depths to plumb, or plum.

    No one iirc suggested that the bullet caught in someone's orifice the other day was a rimfire cartridge, so there are barrels we do not scrape.
  • Worrying stuff in South Africa with R over 2 and rates quadruple each week - though no surge in admissions yet as most in young so far. Test positive over 20 percent which is huge

    https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1467576786129149960?t=BdKI0wr_z3dzBglQt16YqA&s=19
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,589
    edited December 2021

    I assume this was brought in after certain children's programmes were made?
    Whoever made the Flower Pot Men must have been off their heads. "Hello, Little Weed." It was hiding in plain sight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665
    edited December 2021
    My watch tells me my heart rate is abnormally high for someone sitting down.

    Fucking Max Verstappen.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,645

    I assume this was brought in after certain children's programmes were made?
    I thought drugs came to BBC television via The Magic Roundabout, which was French !
  • My watch tells me my heart rate is abnormally high for someone sitting down.

    Have you been near the Commons today ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,296

    Whoever made the Flower Pot Men must have been off their heads. "Hello, Little Weed." It was hiding in plain sight.
    Not to mention Magic Roundabout
  • My Sky Go has stopped working, don't know if its because the show has meant to be finished and its trying to play the next one.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Farooq said:

    I'm not too tight to pay for Sky. But I am too tight to pay for a TV license.
    You need both to watch the GP
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    I don’t think Max has enhanced his reputation today.
  • God - this is the most ridiculous race I’ve seen, in a ridiculous season

    It reminds of when i took a group of my mates kids to the dodgems....the instructions to only go one way around and not bashing into one another lasted all of about 10s. Resulting in the carnies telling me to discipline my kids, which i told them, they ain't mine mate.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550

    Whoever made the Flower Pot Men must have been off their heads. "Hello, Little Weed." It was hiding in plain sight.
    I once heard that the guys doing the "voices" of Bill and Ben were talking all manor of obscenities in that flob-a-dob stuff....
  • Well done Lewis
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    Nigelb said:

    I don’t think Max has enhanced his reputation today.

    Disagree. His reputation is that of a crasher.
  • Nigelb said:

    I don’t think Max has enhanced his reputation today.

    I loathe Verstappen more than I loathe Donald Trump.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    The John Campbell video is well worth watching. What's really key is that the numbers in hospital with Covid in Guateng is vastly inflated. Simply 76% of those counted in that number were in hospital for other things.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Well in the end the medium tyres were the wrong choice.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Vteri Bottas what an embarrasment of a driver
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Nigelb said:

    I don’t think Max has enhanced his reputation today.

    He went beyond the defensible in Brasil. This time round he's clearly stopped pretending the rules apply to him.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Sadly Max still leads so we'll get a repeat next week. If he doesn't have the pace to beat Lewis he will go for an incident every chance he gets.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550

    I loathe Verstappen more than I loathe Donald Trump.
    Mark Reckless level of loathing?
  • Mark Reckless level of loathing?
    Well past that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    I hope Lewis Hamilton's car having lost all that bodywork still meets the minimum weight requirement.

    Not that I care overmuch about Hamilton, but we would greatly miss TSE if he died of apoplexy.
  • A Zoë contributor has told of a super-spreader event in Somerset at a 60 th birthday where All guests were vaccinated and some with boosters and had a lateral flow test 24 hours beforehand that was negative. 14/18 developed PCR positive for omicron- but symptoms all mild luckily

    https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1467579139255320576?t=vJ2tPQTrZ6rizNH2A_ibfg&s=19
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    Pulpstar said:

    Vteri Bottas what an embarrasment of a driver

    Yes, can’t even spell his own name…
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    edited December 2021

    No you can't and yes you should apologise. Equating all nationalist movements - or even most of them - with the Nazis is clearly both ignorant and stupid. Was Gandhi a Nazi? Were those fighting for independence for South Somalia or East Timor Nazis? Any of the countries who gained independence from European power post colonialism?

    You might as well equate vegetarians and animal lovers with Nazis as Hitler was both of those. And sadly some have even tried to do that though I would have hoped most posting on PB has a bit more intelligence than that.
    I appreciate Richards explanation to me has a lot of likes now. I do apologies to everyone I have clumsily insulted today. I obviously don’t understand this stuff at all well.

    Because I always believed when politicians reached for Nationalism it was not such a good thing. Like this Winston Churchill quote “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first”.

    So being called Nationalist Party is confusing guide to their politics that is really just democratic and patriotic.

    If any silver lining at all I am listening and learning thank you all, so please keep pointing out my mistakes so I can get it right when Prime Minister. Thank you. 🙏🏻

    PS I have deleted that terrible picture in this thread and question very much the people who made it
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Verstappen could yet lose points/get a serious grid penalty in Abu Dhabi..... Dangerous driving like that braking manoeuvre has to be punished.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723

    Mark Reckless level of loathing?
    Reckless level of driving.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543

    I appreciate Richards explanation to me has a lot of likes now. I do apologies to everyone I have clumsily insulted today. I obviously don’t understand this stuff at all well.

    Because I always believed when politicians reached for Nationalism it was not such a good thing. Like this Winston Churchill quote “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first”.

    So being called Nationalist Party is confusing guide to their politics that is really just democratic and patriotic.

    If any silver lining at all I am listening and learning thank you all, so please keep pointing out my mistakes so I can get it right when Prime Minister. Thank you. 🙏🏻
    Wasn't that in the context of intriguing against Neville Chamberlain's attempt to rebrand the Conservative party as the National party?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,543
    Nigelb said:

    Reckless level of driving.
    Well beyond the mark?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Pulpstar said:

    Vteri Bottas what an embarrasment of a driver

    But he could yet drive into Verstappen next time, wipe him out - and end the season a hero.....
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