Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Parody Boris Johnson @BorisJohnson_MP · 3h Today we will be voting on our exciting plans to make people in the north sell their houses to pay for the social care of wealthy people in the south. #socialcare
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
I think most people know what Livingstone was on about. I'm just flummoxed by the idea that the more instances of slave trading one can point to, the more innocent one given instance appears.
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
"heavy cold" is a euphemism I'm going to adopt for a large bottle of beer straight out of the fridge.
Sorry, I'm not coming to the parkrun today, I've got a heavy cold.
I offer also this gem, from a friend. A 'drink' was defined as six pints, so going for a drink, actually meant a session. Fewer than six pints did not count...
‘A drink’, is the amount one can consume, and still plausibly say to the missus “I just had the one”.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
Strange, it looks identical to the Four Seasons jet:
Boris looked terrible at his Mansion House speech.
Could it be booze? I doubt it, but a lot of stressed new parents turn to the evil liquor
Or it could just be physical exhaustion. He’s 57. With a toddler, and another due very soon. AND he’s Prime Minister
That would be demanding for a man in peak physical condition with oodles of money and no great call on his time. Mick Jagger can get away with being a dad into his old age coz he doesn’t have to get up until noon and he can save his energies
Boris has to run the country and be there for “dad time”. It must be bloody miserable. And ageing. And knackering
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Too restricted - refers to the Long Isle alone. But come to think of it that's also true of [edit] one meaning of 'Western Isles' so that won't do either.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
I'm no expert on Haiti, but pre-1791, it sounds like hell on earth, for 80% or so of the population. The slaves were shipped in to be worked to death. Average life expectancy on arrival from Africa was about two years. The punishment for slave rebellion was typically, to be burned alive.
As you might imagine, when the slaves eventually rebelled successfully, they inflicted horrific revenge on the slavers.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Pun of the day barra late challenge which I canna see happening.
Could probably think of some more but islay stop now. Wouldn't want to over eigg it.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Pun of the day barra late challenge which I canna see happening.
Could probably think of some more but islay stop now. Wouldn't want to over eigg it.
Boris looked terrible at his Mansion House speech.
Could it be booze? I doubt it, but a lot of stressed new parents turn to the evil liquor
Or it could just be physical exhaustion. He’s 57. With a toddler, and another due very soon. AND he’s Prime Minister
That would be demanding for a man in peak physical condition with oodles of money and no great call on his time. Mick Jagger can get away with being a dad into his old age coz he doesn’t have to get up until noon and he can save his energies
Boris has to run the country and be there for “dad time”. It must be bloody miserable. And ageing. And knackering
Particularly as he has little practical experience of Dad time.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
I'm no expert on Haiti, but pre-1791, it sounds like hell on earth, for 80% or so of the population. The slaves were shipped in to be worked to death. Average life expectancy on arrival from Africa was about two years. The punishment for slave rebellion was typically, to be burned alive.
As you might imagine, when the slaves eventually rebelled successfully, they inflicted horrific revenge on the slavers.
It wasn't much fun for a lot of the French too. People turned up with dreams of big wealth and promptly dropped dead from tropical diseases.
Obviously much worse for the slaves, but I think most everyone was miserable there in their own way.
People say it is up to Tory MPs, but my question is what's going on in Boris' own head.
Does he think everything is OK?
Is he mentally trying a fightback?
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
Surely he is just bumbling along as he always does. OK so he crashed the car into the ditch. But he's done that so many times and always got away with it, so why change tack and actually try and plan for competence?
I believe your description of bumbling along is accurate but while he has made it part of his personna it has become embarrassing and time his mps woke up and either persuaded him to go and do his writing, or face the end of his premiership
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
Strange, it looks identical to the Four Seasons jet:
Parody Boris Johnson @BorisJohnson_MP · 3h Today we will be voting on our exciting plans to make people in the north sell their houses to pay for the social care of wealthy people in the south. #socialcare
Clearly a parody as the real Boris would describe these plans as "fantastic".
If you're antagonizing me, and causing me to act all prickly, then you're probably losing the argument.
Some of the most important changes in history have surely come about via doing just that*.
Look at Insulate Britain, XR, etc. They are irritating as f**k and make me reach for the keys to the nearest 4x4 but are they "losing the argument"?
*Not antagonising you personally, obvs.
If one compares their stated aims with actual outcomes, yes, they are losing the argument. Good political advocacy is about winning people over, rather than remaining pure and self-righteous.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
This seems to be a very British sort of whinge.
As far as I can see UK Govt has 3 aircraft for this type of travel, France has 9 and Germany has about 15.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Oh, OK then. Enslaving bad, trading in slaves morally neutral?
Both bad. Ignoring one while condemning the other hypocritical.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Kevin Rowland was a genius.
What's the relevance, please? Escapes me.
My "Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar" was a reference to "Come On Eileen". Dexy's. Rowland. I'm relieved one person got it!
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
Strange, it looks identical to the Four Seasons jet:
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
Theybrides, you mean.
Use Suðreyjar or Western Isles: sorts the problem.
Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Kevin Rowland was a genius.
What's the relevance, please? Escapes me.
Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar Now you have grown, now you have shown Oh! Na h-Eileanan!
If you're antagonizing me, and causing me to act all prickly, then you're probably losing the argument.
Some of the most important changes in history have surely come about via doing just that*.
Look at Insulate Britain, XR, etc. They are irritating as f**k and make me reach for the keys to the nearest 4x4 but are they "losing the argument"?
*Not antagonising you personally, obvs.
If one compares their stated aims with actual outcomes, yes, they are losing the argument. Good political advocacy is about winning people over, rather than remaining pure and self-righteous.
If you're antagonizing me, and causing me to act all prickly, then you're probably losing the argument.
Some of the most important changes in history have surely come about via doing just that*.
Look at Insulate Britain, XR, etc. They are irritating as f**k and make me reach for the keys to the nearest 4x4 but are they "losing the argument"?
*Not antagonising you personally, obvs.
If one compares their stated aims with actual outcomes, yes, they are losing the argument. Good political advocacy is about winning people over, rather than remaining pure and self-righteous.
That's not true. Sometimes it's about raising awareness. If that's the aim of XR, they have succeeded wildly. Lots of people say and do outrageous things these days, but attention is king.
If we stopped voting for people who are only good at getting themselves noticed, that would be a positive thing.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Several thoughts One is publicity..... lot of talk, books etc about slaves in the US. We know more about them than the folk in the Caribbean islands. As a subsidiary, Haiti has been largely ignored. Then there are numbers. The 'Atlantic Triangle' was a major European industrial exercise. Lack of publicity also accounts for the ignorance of the East African slave trade, from Ethiopia southwards to Madagascar, in which the Arabs, and particularly the Omani's, raided inland, taking slaves for rich, and not so rich, Arabs. And, especially, from Ethiopia, lighter skinned women. This was rather like the Norse slave traffic to Iceland, in which they took women from Ireland and the Hebrides.
I'm no expert on Haiti, but pre-1791, it sounds like hell on earth, for 80% or so of the population. The slaves were shipped in to be worked to death. Average life expectancy on arrival from Africa was about two years. The punishment for slave rebellion was typically, to be burned alive.
As you might imagine, when the slaves eventually rebelled successfully, they inflicted horrific revenge on the slavers.
It wasn't much fun for a lot of the French too. People turned up with dreams of big wealth and promptly dropped dead from tropical diseases.
Obviously much worse for the slaves, but I think most everyone was miserable there in their own way.
It was a society riven with hatred. The white planters and lower class whites hated each other. The latter hated the free people of colour, who were themselves divided between wealthy slavers and the lower classes. And, they all feared the black slaves who hated them in turn.
There were fantastic profits to be had, for a few. It was producing 70% of the world's sugar and 30% of the world's coffee on the eve of the revolution.
Some of the free people of colour like Alexandre Dumas Grandpere were French aristocrats, due to marriages between white aristocrats, and slaves that they had freed.
If you're antagonizing me, and causing me to act all prickly, then you're probably losing the argument.
Some of the most important changes in history have surely come about via doing just that*.
Look at Insulate Britain, XR, etc. They are irritating as f**k and make me reach for the keys to the nearest 4x4 but are they "losing the argument"?
*Not antagonising you personally, obvs.
If one compares their stated aims with actual outcomes, yes, they are losing the argument. Good political advocacy is about winning people over, rather than remaining pure and self-righteous.
What are the actual outcomes?
The outcome is that - possibly - the UK economy will be carbon-neutral by 2050, far too long in the eyes of XR.
Good to see Nicola Sturgeon and Douglas Ross visiting a drug centre in Glasgow and uniting in the fight against Scotland's drug problems, the worst Europe
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
This seems to be a very British sort of whinge.
As far as I can see UK Govt has 3 aircraft for this type of travel, France has 9 and Germany has about 15.
Boris looked terrible at his Mansion House speech.
Could it be booze? I doubt it, but a lot of stressed new parents turn to the evil liquor
Or it could just be physical exhaustion. He’s 57. With a toddler, and another due very soon. AND he’s Prime Minister
That would be demanding for a man in peak physical condition with oodles of money and no great call on his time. Mick Jagger can get away with being a dad into his old age coz he doesn’t have to get up until noon and he can save his energies
Boris has to run the country and be there for “dad time”. It must be bloody miserable. And ageing. And knackering
Particularly as he has little practical experience of Dad time.
I bet that’s true, as well. He strikes me as the kind of selfish but charismatic chancer who has always managed to dodge most paternal duties - I don’t mean simply ignoring bastard offspring but always having something more important to do just as the wife needs help with nappies
But this time he can’t dodge. Carrie looks pretty assertive. He’s in the public spotlight. He’s stuck at Number 10. All = a lack of sleep which is ageing him by a decade in a year
Paging @Morris_Dancer , what do you think of the upcoming Saudi track ? Looks to me as though it could have its own 'Wall of Champions'.
Is there a market on a safety car yet ?
I hope its more entertaining than Losail was.
Qatar is everything that is wrong with F1. We just had a race with virtually no spectators on a pointless track which was both so dirty that there was only 1 raceable line most of the lap and with kerbs that break the cars. And they've been awarded a 10 year contract without even having a venue agreed. Madness.
I expect Saudi will be as stupid. Perhaps they can take Toto and Christian away and threaten to chop their hands off if they carry on with their bickering.
This is a horrendous speech, opportunity for Starmer here
Utter car crash. Bloody hell he's lost it. Embarrassing.
Out of curiosity just watched the first 5 minutes or so and not discerned a car crash so far although he is talking, just now, about his time as a motoring correspondent,. Just the usual animated Boris. Quite entertaining. Did he run out of steam later?
If you're antagonizing me, and causing me to act all prickly, then you're probably losing the argument.
Some of the most important changes in history have surely come about via doing just that*.
Look at Insulate Britain, XR, etc. They are irritating as f**k and make me reach for the keys to the nearest 4x4 but are they "losing the argument"?
*Not antagonising you personally, obvs.
If one compares their stated aims with actual outcomes, yes, they are losing the argument. Good political advocacy is about winning people over, rather than remaining pure and self-righteous.
What are the actual outcomes?
The outcome is that - possibly - the UK economy will be carbon-neutral by 2050, far too long in the eyes of XR.
Good negotiation. Ask for something aggressive and settle for a realistic compromise.
Apologies if already mentioned but I have just spotted the MailOnline and its headline is absolutely scathing about Boris. I thought Geordie Greig got the push because he was too critical of Boris.
Mr. Z, you're aware that Africans enslaved one another quite a lot too, right? And white people (Norse era) likewise? And white slaves were claimed by the barbary pirates?
Everyone has ancestors who were both slaves and slave owners. Condemning people today for things they've never done and seeking to throw money and privilege at others for events they never suffered is to divorce responsibility from reality.
Exactly. Who do people think brought Africans to the slave ports on the coast of Africa?
Oh, OK then. Enslaving bad, trading in slaves morally neutral?
Both bad. Ignoring one while condemning the other hypocritical.
Condemning historical figures gets nobody very far. The African slave traders exported their problems, white America imported and has now inherited theirs. Your point is an adequate rebuttal of people silly enough to think black people are innately superior to whites, but otherwise, so what? It gets no one off a hook.
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
This seems to be a very British sort of whinge.
As far as I can see UK Govt has 3 aircraft for this type of travel, France has 9 and Germany has about 15.
Happy if you can clarify further..
I never said they government shouldn't have it. Although its acquisition, while gutting the RAF's AT capability, speaks volumes about government's priorities and is another demonstration of the hollow charade that is 'Global Britain'.
The point I was making was that Johnson and his absolutely adorable young family haven't had much opportunity to enjoy the trappings of high office and are unlikely to want to chuck it all away any time soon.
That was one of the weirdest Boris Johnson speeches yet, he described Peppa Pig as a “Picasso like hairdryer”, made brrm noises like a car, lost his place for 20 seconds, & said young people need to get back to the office because “Mother Nature does not like us working from home
Is he resigned to leaving next year and doesn't really care?
This is the interior of the third and latest VVIP aircraft Johnson has acquired with taxpayers' money (while cutting the RAF's transport fleet by 30%).
Do you think Carrie is ready to give that up next year when they hardly got to go anywhere on it due to Covid? Johnson is there for the long haul - literally and figuratively.
This seems to be a very British sort of whinge.
As far as I can see UK Govt has 3 aircraft for this type of travel, France has 9 and Germany has about 15.
Happy if you can clarify further..
Why do we need any?
The MoD has also just put out a tender for 2 x Global Express for VIP "and Royal Family" transport. I assume this will be to keep the undesirables out of Johnson's jets. Although these will be civvie crewed as the multi engine stream of the MFTS has fallen apart.
That was one of the weirdest Boris Johnson speeches yet, he described Peppa Pig as a “Picasso like hairdryer”, made brrm noises like a car, lost his place for 20 seconds, & said young people need to get back to the office because “Mother Nature does not like us working from home
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@BorisJohnson_MP
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Today we will be voting on our exciting plans to make people in the north sell their houses to pay for the social care of wealthy people in the south.
#socialcare
https://www.fourseasons.com/privatejet/2021/
Yeah.
Could it be booze? I doubt it, but a lot of stressed new parents turn to the evil liquor
Or it could just be physical exhaustion. He’s 57. With a toddler, and another due very soon. AND he’s Prime Minister
That would be demanding for a man in peak physical condition with oodles of money and no great call on his time. Mick Jagger can get away with being a dad into his old age coz he doesn’t have to get up until noon and he can save his energies
Boris has to run the country and be there for “dad time”. It must be bloody miserable. And ageing. And knackering
As you might imagine, when the slaves eventually rebelled successfully, they inflicted horrific revenge on the slavers.
Could probably think of some more but islay stop now. Wouldn't want to over eigg it.
Obviously much worse for the slaves, but I think most everyone was miserable there in their own way.
(((Dan Hodges)))
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Tory MPs are looking for evidence Boris is going to get a grip. They'd better not be watching his speech to the CBI.
As far as I can see UK Govt has 3 aircraft for this type of travel, France has 9 and Germany has about 15.
Happy if you can clarify further..
I'm relieved one person got it!
Come on, Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Now you have grown, now you have shown
Oh! Na h-Eileanan!
Lots of people say and do outrageous things these days, but attention is king.
If we stopped voting for people who are only good at getting themselves noticed, that would be a positive thing.
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Are they awnings to stop direct sun? (Unlikely, as north-facing.) Anyone know?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/nov/22/uk-politics-live-labour-tory-mps-boris-johnson-care-cap-commons-vote-latest-updates
There were fantastic profits to be had, for a few. It was producing 70% of the world's sugar and 30% of the world's coffee on the eve of the revolution.
Some of the free people of colour like Alexandre Dumas Grandpere were French aristocrats, due to marriages between white aristocrats, and slaves that they had freed.
BBC News - Why are Sturgeon and Ross visiting a drugs project?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59333520
But this time he can’t dodge. Carrie looks pretty assertive. He’s in the public spotlight. He’s stuck at Number 10. All = a lack of sleep which is ageing him by a decade in a year
Qatar is everything that is wrong with F1. We just had a race with virtually no spectators on a pointless track which was both so dirty that there was only 1 raceable line most of the lap and with kerbs that break the cars. And they've been awarded a 10 year contract without even having a venue agreed. Madness.
I expect Saudi will be as stupid. Perhaps they can take Toto and Christian away and threaten to chop their hands off if they carry on with their bickering.
The point I was making was that Johnson and his absolutely adorable young family haven't had much opportunity to enjoy the trappings of high office and are unlikely to want to chuck it all away any time soon.