How the most ill-tempered PMQs in years is being reported – politicalbetting.com
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You may like this twitter exchange, where, as usual, Cyclefree lowers the tone.Theuniondivvie said:Ref, ref, stop the fight, my opponent is fighting back!
Bobby McDonagh
@BobbyMcDonagh1
Frost doesn’t think it would be “helpful” for EU to retaliate if he triggers Art 16: “I say, you chaps. I’m planning to punch you on the nose, but I think it would frightfully unsporting of you to respond”.
https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/14608934895967150133 -
The government is falling apart before our very eyes.
Pending our Mr Thompson advising it’s all part of some cunning plan, obvs.1 -
Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
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IANAL but my understanding is that the existing law deals with people being improperly on highways as a matter for fines not prison. Since the general expectation is that people aren't so f***ing stupid as to sit on motorways.FrankBooth said:
Can anyone explain why it was necessary to bring in this injunction? Could the existing law not do the job?Philip_Thompson said:About f***ing time. 9 Insulate Britain protesters jailed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59307679
Blocking highways could result in fatal accidents and/or fatal or serious disruption to people who need to get about. If people want to protest, then they have the right to do so, but they also have the right to own the consequences for their choices behind bars.
So the injunction created a custodial sentence when there was none previously because contempt of court deserves a custodial sentence.0 -
The defendants had a CCTV camera in their living room, so there is endless quantities of evidence of how badly they treated the poor child in the days and weeks prior to his death. Similar with hundreds of mobile phone recordings of him in distress.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've not been following the case but from that link, it is not clear what they have spent 29 days on. The main story talks about salt poisoning but the charge is that the child was shaken to death (which btw has become a more controversial diagnosis over recent years). But as a non-lawyer, I find it hard to imagine how they have spun it out for more than a week.ping said:
If it’s a new trial, no doubt they’ll take the chance to change their story.LostPassword said:I've been following the trial on the murder of six-year old Arthur Labinjo-Hughes after the case was highlighted by another PBer. There have been 29 days of often harrowing evidence.
Today, on day 30, the trial has been adjourned because lead counsel for one of the defendants has Covid symptoms and is waiting for the result of a Covid test. Does anyone know what happens if he tests positive? Is there a chance they might have to scrap the trial and start again with a fresh jury?
As the trial has gone on, I’ve developed a shred of sympathy for the chap. She’s the really evil one, imo.
I don’t know how either of them can live with themselves, though.
Also, pretty major failure of social services. They seriously fucked up.
Lots of testimony from various doctors on his injuries, and then from other witnesses on how Arthur was treated in front of other adults by the defendants.
Amazingly both defendants have chosen to testify in their own defence, but as far as I can tell have only harmed their defence by doing so, as they attempt to prove the other is primarily responsible.2 -
I'll pass, thanks.IanB2 said:The government is falling apart before our very eyes.
Pending our Mr Thompson advising it’s all part of some cunning plan, obvs.
I said much the same thing a couple of days ago saying the wheels are coming off. It just isn't good enough right now, and some order needs restoring . . . preferably with dinosaurs like Chope having the whip removed.1 -
I thought the main example of idiot with pyrotechnic up backside was a Surrey chap in Leicester [amended] Square?!TheScreamingEagles said:
You may like this twitter exchange, where, as usual, Cyclefree lowers the tone.Theuniondivvie said:Ref, ref, stop the fight, my opponent is fighting back!
Bobby McDonagh
@BobbyMcDonagh1
Frost doesn’t think it would be “helpful” for EU to retaliate if he triggers Art 16: “I say, you chaps. I’m planning to punch you on the nose, but I think it would frightfully unsporting of you to respond”.
https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/14608934895967150130 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.0 -
So the minutes of the meeting are like my car keys?TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/14609831271538237460 -
Late November is normally a good time to buy into the markets, ready to ride the ‘santa rally’. But this year, I do wonder whether that would be wise? Dark clouds seem to be gathering all around, yet markets continue to rise.0
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Very taken aback to see how aerated the Speaker got.RochdalePioneers said:Was out over lunch, so have had to watch PMQs. A few thoughts:
1. The Tories hated Bercow. I think Hoyle is about to stomp all over their view about "rules" in much the same way. There is now open warfare between the Treasury bench and the Speaker
2. The Integrated Rail Plan tomorrow is going to unveil a pig without even the application of lipstick. The growing wailing and gnashing of northern MPs is going to amplifty massively
3. The PM thinks the only defence against corruption is claim everyone is corrupt. Which means that he knows he has no hope of either clearing his own side of corruption or even covering it up. The game is clearly up.
4. The Ian Blackford "Look at the Gaps! The rebellion has started" comment utterly deflated Johnson. Compare and contrast his demeanour and tone before and after.
We can't even say its only one PMQs as this has been building for a while. Also listen to the questions asked - a long list of bad things and problems listed with nothing but waffle in response. There is a lot more than broken promises on rail that angry Tory voters can get fed up about.
He's off to the liaison committee at 3pm. This could be required viewing...0 -
The cheek of you!TheScreamingEagles said:
You may like this twitter exchange, where, as usual, Cyclefree lowers the tone.Theuniondivvie said:Ref, ref, stop the fight, my opponent is fighting back!
Bobby McDonagh
@BobbyMcDonagh1
Frost doesn’t think it would be “helpful” for EU to retaliate if he triggers Art 16: “I say, you chaps. I’m planning to punch you on the nose, but I think it would frightfully unsporting of you to respond”.
https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1460893489596715013
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Indeed. It is impossible to "lose", nor to find at the moment, something which never existed.TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Can't really argue with that.
Slapdash amateurism. Would be up at a disciplinary in child protection PDQ. And you would need bloody good mitigation.0 -
[deleted: Mr J turned up]RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.0 -
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.6 -
Word on another forum is that, due to Brexit, VISA & Mastercard are now charging international interchange fees for payments from UK -> EU companies (~0.5% -> ~1.5% was the quoted change). Payments to Amazon from UK customers go through their Luxembourg subsidiary (check your invoices to see this), so have fallen foul of this increase in charges.TheScreamingEagles said:
Might explain it.MaxPB said:
I thought Amex had a sweetheart deal with Amazon which brought their processing fees in line with MasterCard and Visa.TheScreamingEagles said:This Amazon Visa thing.
I suspect it will all end in tears for Amazon. Their defence is that Visa credit card charges are much higher which is why they are banning them.
Seems a credible defence but they are allowing AMEX cards to be used and we all know they charge much higher processing fees than either Mastercard or Visa so if Visa want to kick off they have a strong base from which to do so.
Presumably Amazon have negotiated a sweetheart deal with Mastercard & Amex, but VISA have held out.0 -
I'm not. Johnson has been egregiously stepping over the line at LOTO's Questions for a while, combined with the further pisstaking over constantly briefing the media rather than the Commons. Its been blowing up for a while.Carnyx said:
Very taken aback to see how aerated the Speaker got.RochdalePioneers said:Was out over lunch, so have had to watch PMQs. A few thoughts:
1. The Tories hated Bercow. I think Hoyle is about to stomp all over their view about "rules" in much the same way. There is now open warfare between the Treasury bench and the Speaker
2. The Integrated Rail Plan tomorrow is going to unveil a pig without even the application of lipstick. The growing wailing and gnashing of northern MPs is going to amplifty massively
3. The PM thinks the only defence against corruption is claim everyone is corrupt. Which means that he knows he has no hope of either clearing his own side of corruption or even covering it up. The game is clearly up.
4. The Ian Blackford "Look at the Gaps! The rebellion has started" comment utterly deflated Johnson. Compare and contrast his demeanour and tone before and after.
We can't even say its only one PMQs as this has been building for a while. Also listen to the questions asked - a long list of bad things and problems listed with nothing but waffle in response. There is a lot more than broken promises on rail that angry Tory voters can get fed up about.
He's off to the liaison committee at 3pm. This could be required viewing...
Johnson needs to pin sleaze on everyone because he cannot either disprove there is Tory sleaze or even just cover it up. That is clear.1 -
Bozo under cross-examination, live on Parliament TV0
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And on BBCIanB2 said:Bozo under cross-examination, live on Parliament TV
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THanks. Not suggesting Mr Hoyle didn't have reason - just hadn't realised the pressure that had built up.RochdalePioneers said:
I'm not. Johnson has been egregiously stepping over the line at LOTO's Questions for a while, combined with the further pisstaking over constantly briefing the media rather than the Commons. Its been blowing up for a while.Carnyx said:
Very taken aback to see how aerated the Speaker got.RochdalePioneers said:Was out over lunch, so have had to watch PMQs. A few thoughts:
1. The Tories hated Bercow. I think Hoyle is about to stomp all over their view about "rules" in much the same way. There is now open warfare between the Treasury bench and the Speaker
2. The Integrated Rail Plan tomorrow is going to unveil a pig without even the application of lipstick. The growing wailing and gnashing of northern MPs is going to amplifty massively
3. The PM thinks the only defence against corruption is claim everyone is corrupt. Which means that he knows he has no hope of either clearing his own side of corruption or even covering it up. The game is clearly up.
4. The Ian Blackford "Look at the Gaps! The rebellion has started" comment utterly deflated Johnson. Compare and contrast his demeanour and tone before and after.
We can't even say its only one PMQs as this has been building for a while. Also listen to the questions asked - a long list of bad things and problems listed with nothing but waffle in response. There is a lot more than broken promises on rail that angry Tory voters can get fed up about.
He's off to the liaison committee at 3pm. This could be required viewing...
Johnson needs to pin sleaze on everyone because he cannot either disprove there is Tory sleaze or even just cover it up. That is clear.0 -
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/1d832424-61f6-4656-9363-fbf0a23c9683IanB2 said:Bozo under cross-examination, live on Parliament TV
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Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
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He can’t deflect or dismiss them with bluster and humour, like he always tried at the GLA. So far they are forcing him to give serious answers to serious questions. Not a happy place for the clown.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And on BBCIanB2 said:Bozo under cross-examination, live on Parliament TV
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Agree - the Speaker has had the patience of a saint - and when Johnson tried it on second and third times to run "Questions to the Leader of the Opposition" (not being quick enough on his feet to turn a question into a statement) Johnson deserved all he got.RochdalePioneers said:
I'm not. Johnson has been egregiously stepping over the line at LOTO's Questions for a while, combined with the further pisstaking over constantly briefing the media rather than the Commons. Its been blowing up for a while.Carnyx said:
Very taken aback to see how aerated the Speaker got.RochdalePioneers said:Was out over lunch, so have had to watch PMQs. A few thoughts:
1. The Tories hated Bercow. I think Hoyle is about to stomp all over their view about "rules" in much the same way. There is now open warfare between the Treasury bench and the Speaker
2. The Integrated Rail Plan tomorrow is going to unveil a pig without even the application of lipstick. The growing wailing and gnashing of northern MPs is going to amplifty massively
3. The PM thinks the only defence against corruption is claim everyone is corrupt. Which means that he knows he has no hope of either clearing his own side of corruption or even covering it up. The game is clearly up.
4. The Ian Blackford "Look at the Gaps! The rebellion has started" comment utterly deflated Johnson. Compare and contrast his demeanour and tone before and after.
We can't even say its only one PMQs as this has been building for a while. Also listen to the questions asked - a long list of bad things and problems listed with nothing but waffle in response. There is a lot more than broken promises on rail that angry Tory voters can get fed up about.
He's off to the liaison committee at 3pm. This could be required viewing...
Johnson needs to pin sleaze on everyone because he cannot either disprove there is Tory sleaze or even just cover it up. That is clear.2 -
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.0 -
Now Bryant.0
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😦. Commentator put it down to tired from last race.
Horse will know he’s beat though and be quite depressed 😞0 -
Would anyone on this site - except for HYUFD be at all upset (or surprised) if Boris went?Philip_Thompson said:
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.
I seriously can't think of any other poster here who thinks Boris is a suitable or qualified person for the job of PM...2 -
Bozo denying his fingerprints are on any of the calls for the standards commissioner to resign.0
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2 questions.
How long does this last?
And is it worth watching?0 -
Boris isn't very good is he...2
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But we've been lectured for years how wonderful he is - got Brexit done, won elections, etc. Bit late to deny the great saviour of Brexit even unto the third cockcrow.eek said:
Would anyone on this site - except for HYUFD be at all upset (or surprised) if Boris went?Philip_Thompson said:
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.
I seriously can't think of any other poster here who thinks Boris is a suitable or qualified person for the job of PM...0 -
That’ll be expensive:
A British F35 pilot from HMS Queen Elizabeth ejected during routine flying operations in the Mediterranean this morning.
The pilot has been safely returned to the ship and an investigation has begun, so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.
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The PM is answering questions on stuff he doesn’t really understand.
Lovely question from Bryant: “do you think Paterson was guilty or not?”
Answered with waffle and bluster from the clown.0 -
In my opinion we are seeing Boris flailing around and it does look as if he is entering his latter daysIanB2 said:
He can’t deflect or dismiss them with bluster and humour, like he always tried at the GLA. So far they are forcing him to give serious answers to serious questions. Not a happy place for the clown.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And on BBCIanB2 said:Bozo under cross-examination, live on Parliament TV
It is hard to watch at times
Mind you it was said never underestimate Boris's ability to bounce back
We will see2 -
BoJo admits what many of said at the time, he was wrong to say Owen Paterson didn't have an appeal, he did indeed, there was an appeal process and Paterson used that appellate process.1
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That really is a simple question to answer, now I've been shown all the evidence it's hard to disagree.IanB2 said:The PM is answering questions on stuff he doesn’t really understand.
Lovely question from Bryant: “do you think Paterson was guilty or not?”
Answered with waffle and bluster from the clown.
Edit - changed to a phrase that allows vague deniability to remain in place.0 -
Bozo confessing to a “mistake” in conflating the Paterson case with the issue of changing the rules. Playing the suicide of Paterson’s wife by way of mitigation.0
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He does and sounds like he has a coldRochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.0 -
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.3 -
Smiling now. [edited for fairness]0 -
To respond both to yourself and @Carnyx whatever rum scheme the PM thought he had for managing PMQs today it was a catastrophic failure. He failed to smear Labour and the SNP with Tory sleaze. He got screamed at to SIT DOWN and be quiet by the Speaker telling him that he should follow the rules and not make allegations. He got pulled apart for the imminent scrapping of levelling up rail in the north with the final slap of a question asked from his own backbenches.CarlottaVance said:
Agree - the Speaker has had the patience of a saint - and when Johnson tried it on second and third times to run "Questions to the Leader of the Opposition" (not being quick enough on his feet to turn a question into a statement) Johnson deserved all he got.RochdalePioneers said:
I'm not. Johnson has been egregiously stepping over the line at LOTO's Questions for a while, combined with the further pisstaking over constantly briefing the media rather than the Commons. Its been blowing up for a while.Carnyx said:
Very taken aback to see how aerated the Speaker got.RochdalePioneers said:Was out over lunch, so have had to watch PMQs. A few thoughts:
1. The Tories hated Bercow. I think Hoyle is about to stomp all over their view about "rules" in much the same way. There is now open warfare between the Treasury bench and the Speaker
2. The Integrated Rail Plan tomorrow is going to unveil a pig without even the application of lipstick. The growing wailing and gnashing of northern MPs is going to amplifty massively
3. The PM thinks the only defence against corruption is claim everyone is corrupt. Which means that he knows he has no hope of either clearing his own side of corruption or even covering it up. The game is clearly up.
4. The Ian Blackford "Look at the Gaps! The rebellion has started" comment utterly deflated Johnson. Compare and contrast his demeanour and tone before and after.
We can't even say its only one PMQs as this has been building for a while. Also listen to the questions asked - a long list of bad things and problems listed with nothing but waffle in response. There is a lot more than broken promises on rail that angry Tory voters can get fed up about.
He's off to the liaison committee at 3pm. This could be required viewing...
Johnson needs to pin sleaze on everyone because he cannot either disprove there is Tory sleaze or even just cover it up. That is clear.
It feels like the final rounds of a boxing match where the flamboyant champion has told the world his opponent is a fool, has strutted round the ring dodging punches in the early rounds, and has then been floored by a series of punches to the head.
He's still standing. He's still pretending to be in charge with a strategy, but he's no longer all there and it only needs a smaller flurry to knock him down. And "Coward" combined with "the rebellion has started" do seem to have knocked all the fight out of him.
This liaison committee is painful to watch. Calling him out with lie after lie - sorry, mistaken impression after mistaken impression. Thrown Kwasi Kwarteng under the bus as well - apparently it was all his idea to go on the Sunday media round demanding the head of the commissioner.3 -
Bryant is landing blows that already have the clown on the ropes.
His only response is to keep returning to the suicide of Paterson’s wife.0 -
Can you explain the joke? I don't get it.DougSeal said:
I’m a practicing solicitor in London who has been interviewed at, acted against and done deals with Mischon de Reya since I qualified 20 years ago. Took me ages to get the joke. Admittedly that may be because I’m slow on the uptake - but surely that was too niche for the general public?TheScreamingEagles said:As for that Mischonduct joke, that was a gag when I was a callow student.
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Well it has been clear for some time. The issue is he doesn't have the background staff or further people which can make sure he can avoid problems and issues.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.0 -
I doubt its a play, it probably genuinely was a factor on why Paterson had so much sympathy from his own side.IanB2 said:Bozo confessing to a “mistake” in conflating the Paterson case with the issue of changing the rules. Playing the suicide of Paterson’s wife by way of mitigation.
The PM seems quite apologetic in the exchange with Bryant which seems the right tone to strike.0 -
Has that last issue changed over the years - he most have been able to think on his feet at some point to get to where he is?TheScreamingEagles said:
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.0 -
Like a fare dodger making a theatrical show of searching in every pocket for a non-existent rail ticket.dixiedean said:
Indeed. It is impossible to "lose", nor to find at the moment, something which never existed.TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Can't really argue with that.
Slapdash amateurism. Would be up at a disciplinary in child protection PDQ. And you would need bloody good mitigation.2 -
Bozo: “in retrospect it was obvious that it was wrong to conflate the two things” [Paterson, and the rules]
“Do we regret this - yes we do”0 -
He's good at campaigning, now he's actually doing some governing which is where he is being caught out.eek said:
Has that last issue changed over the years - he most have been able to think on his feet at some point to get to where he is?TheScreamingEagles said:
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.1 -
Philip_Thompson said:
I doubt its a play, it probably genuinely was a factor on why Paterson had so much sympathy from his own side.IanB2 said:Bozo confessing to a “mistake” in conflating the Paterson case with the issue of changing the rules. Playing the suicide of Paterson’s wife by way of mitigation.
The PM seems quite apologetic in the exchange with Bryant which seems the right tone to strike.
YOu mean he doesn't do his prep the evening before, surely. He's the PM!Slackbladder said:
Well it has been clear for some time. The issue is he doesn't have the background staff or further people which can make sure he can avoid problems and issues.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.0 -
As I've asked before - what was so important and urgent that Paterson had to be used to try and change the rules?IanB2 said:Bozo: “in retrospect it was obvious that it was wrong to conflate the two things” [Paterson, and the rules]
“Do we regret this - yes we do”
Oh to be clear, which of Boris's dodgy attempts to get money was so important and urgent that....1 -
Because Boris Johnson is likely to be up before the Standards Commissioner over his flat (and possibly other issues as well.)eek said:
As I've asked before - what was so important and urgent that Paterson had to be used to try and change the rules?IanB2 said:Bozo: “in retrospect it was obvious that it was wrong to conflate the two things” [Paterson, and the rules]
“Do we regret this - yes we do”
They needed to kneecap her well before that and the office as well.0 -
"This is an area where we need clarity".
Good luck with that.1 -
This format is so much better than PMQs- first, these are among the smartest MPs, second they follow up on his answers to previous questions.2
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It certainly made the whips’ job easier in twisting Tory backbenchers’ arms.Philip_Thompson said:
I doubt its a play, it probably genuinely was a factor on why Paterson had so much sympathy from his own side.IanB2 said:Bozo confessing to a “mistake” in conflating the Paterson case with the issue of changing the rules. Playing the suicide of Paterson’s wife by way of mitigation.
The PM seems quite apologetic in the exchange with Bryant which seems the right tone to strike.
I still don’t believe a wife would choose her husband’s birthday to commit suicide if her motivation was solely his mistreatment by others.
Meanwhile Yvette manages to get Bozo to confess that he agrees that Paterson broke the rules.0 -
Simple logical confusion here. The belief that Boris has been good at winning stuff, gaining support, campaigning and getting UK out of the EU is consistent with thinking it will, at some point, be time for a change.Carnyx said:
But we've been lectured for years how wonderful he is - got Brexit done, won elections, etc. Bit late to deny the great saviour of Brexit even unto the third cockcrow.eek said:
Would anyone on this site - except for HYUFD be at all upset (or surprised) if Boris went?Philip_Thompson said:
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.
I seriously can't think of any other poster here who thinks Boris is a suitable or qualified person for the job of PM...
In most times Boris would never make it to PM. He did, and IMHO, the jury is out as to how much longer we can stand it.
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How odd - his tone and demeanour was completely different at the start of PMQs when he came out of his corner swinging.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He does and sounds like he has a coldRochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
As Starmer said, he is a Coward. As Blackford said, his own side are abandoning him.0 -
Starmer did some work for Mishcon de Reya, so that's how we get Mishconduct 'joke'.Andy_JS said:
Can you explain the joke? I don't get it.DougSeal said:
I’m a practicing solicitor in London who has been interviewed at, acted against and done deals with Mischon de Reya since I qualified 20 years ago. Took me ages to get the joke. Admittedly that may be because I’m slow on the uptake - but surely that was too niche for the general public?TheScreamingEagles said:As for that Mischonduct joke, that was a gag when I was a callow student.
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Why do you think he ducked the Andrew Neil interview in 2019?eek said:
Has that last issue changed over the years - he most have been able to think on his feet at some point to get to where he is?TheScreamingEagles said:
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.2 -
Dave (pbuh) said this used to stress him more than a 100 PMQs.CarlottaVance said:This format is so much better than PMQs- first, these are among the smartest MPs, second they follow up on his answers to previous questions.
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PM v uncomfortable as @RhonddaBryant points out John Whittingdale was wrongly told there was cross-party agreement to rigged review.
"So it would seem...I can’t comment on that conversation since I didn’t have it...It was put to me by colleagues."
CWhip/Mogg thrown under bus?
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Yvette pushing on why, since he now concedes that Paterson broke the rules, he took the precise opposite stance earlier. “we need you to have some integrity; we need you to uphold the standards”0
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Yeh, that'll have the Red Wallers laughing themselves stupid in the Duck and Whippet tonight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Starmer did some work for Mishcon de Reya, so that's how we get Mishconduct 'joke'.Andy_JS said:
Can you explain the joke? I don't get it.DougSeal said:
I’m a practicing solicitor in London who has been interviewed at, acted against and done deals with Mischon de Reya since I qualified 20 years ago. Took me ages to get the joke. Admittedly that may be because I’m slow on the uptake - but surely that was too niche for the general public?TheScreamingEagles said:As for that Mischonduct joke, that was a gag when I was a callow student.
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Anyone sane should duck an Andrew Neil interview, you were never going to win that battleOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why do you think he ducked the Andrew Neil interview in 2019?eek said:
Has that last issue changed over the years - he most have been able to think on his feet at some point to get to where he is?TheScreamingEagles said:
You've only just realised?Slackbladder said:Boris isn't very good is he...
He just cannot do detail or think on his feet.1 -
I do not see him as a coward but someone who has a need to be liked and frankly is unable to make difficult decisions that might be unpopularRochdalePioneers said:
How odd - his tone and demeanour was completely different at the start of PMQs when he came out of his corner swinging.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He does and sounds like he has a coldRochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
As Starmer said, he is a Coward. As Blackford said, his own side are abandoning him.1 -
Point taken, but I would respond that Brexit is an ongoing process (as we all know) and on that logic he should have been dumped a year and more ago.algarkirk said:
Simple logical confusion here. The belief that Boris has been good at winning stuff, gaining support, campaigning and getting UK out of the EU is consistent with thinking it will, at some point, be time for a change.Carnyx said:
But we've been lectured for years how wonderful he is - got Brexit done, won elections, etc. Bit late to deny the great saviour of Brexit even unto the third cockcrow.eek said:
Would anyone on this site - except for HYUFD be at all upset (or surprised) if Boris went?Philip_Thompson said:
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.
I seriously can't think of any other poster here who thinks Boris is a suitable or qualified person for the job of PM...
In most times Boris would never make it to PM. He did, and IMHO, the jury is out as to how much longer we can stand it.
Anyway; not to worry you further on that - it looks as if matters are about to be overtaken by events.1 -
There is an area of the Red Wall that has (and can afford) both Ducks and Whippets?rottenborough said:
Yeh, that'll have the Red Wallers laughing themselves stupid in the Duck and Whippet tonight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Starmer did some work for Mishcon de Reya, so that's how we get Mishconduct 'joke'.Andy_JS said:
Can you explain the joke? I don't get it.DougSeal said:
I’m a practicing solicitor in London who has been interviewed at, acted against and done deals with Mischon de Reya since I qualified 20 years ago. Took me ages to get the joke. Admittedly that may be because I’m slow on the uptake - but surely that was too niche for the general public?TheScreamingEagles said:As for that Mischonduct joke, that was a gag when I was a callow student.
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🤔. Not much in distance, just lacking something in finish. Maybe plan was to go into finish with bigger lead to hold. But didn’t show some of the hurdles enough respect and allowed bunch to close.MoonRabbit said:
😦. Commentator put it down to tired from last race.
Horse will know he’s beat though and be quite depressed 😞
I haven’t had a winner at Hexham since my horse slipped on somebody’s picnic blowing about. 😦
No excuses. Time to hug horse and thank him.1 -
It’s a particularly cruel form of torture for the pm.TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave (pbuh) said this used to stress him more than a 100 PMQs.CarlottaVance said:This format is so much better than PMQs- first, these are among the smartest MPs, second they follow up on his answers to previous questions.
It’s great2 -
Johnson now claiming the lack of mask in Hexham was a mistake that lasted six seconds.1
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Boris Johnson keeps saying “fallen foul of the rules”, as if Owen Paterson had engaged in corrupt practices by accident.
https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/14609923300733583370 -
Bozo now trying to blame “the house” for doing nothing about the standards committee’s recommendations back in 2018.
And Yvette manages to slip in a crafty reference to not wearing a mask in Hexham hospital.
Flusters the clown such that he replies to “Yvette”, then “Miss Cooper”, then he claims he only not wore a mask for “thirty seconds at most” - contradicting the testimony of those NHS managers who organised the tour and claim he was asked to wear a mask but refused.0 -
Isn't that the same thing? Not brave enough to accept he needs to be unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see him as a coward but someone who has a need to be liked and frankly is unable to make difficult decisions that might be unpopularRochdalePioneers said:
How odd - his tone and demeanour was completely different at the start of PMQs when he came out of his corner swinging.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He does and sounds like he has a coldRochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
As Starmer said, he is a Coward. As Blackford said, his own side are abandoning him.3 -
That's 5% of British F35s at the bottom of the ocean.CarlottaVance said:That’ll be expensive:
A British F35 pilot from HMS Queen Elizabeth ejected during routine flying operations in the Mediterranean this morning.
The pilot has been safely returned to the ship and an investigation has begun, so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.
https://twitter.com/defencehqpress/status/1460987353410027530?s=210 -
Yvette is so much more mature then when I had dealings with her over HIPsIanB2 said:Yvette pushing on why, since he now concedes that Paterson broke the rules, he took the precise opposite stance earlier. “we need you to have some integrity; we need you to uphold the standards”
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It might help us reach a compromise with the Americans on the number of the planes that we will buy.CarlottaVance said:That’ll be expensive:
A British F35 pilot from HMS Queen Elizabeth ejected during routine flying operations in the Mediterranean this morning.
The pilot has been safely returned to the ship and an investigation has begun, so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.
https://twitter.com/defencehqpress/status/1460987353410027530?s=210 -
Probably not the first time Boris Johnson has lasted six seconds.rottenborough said:Johnson now claiming the lack of mask in Hexham was a mistake that lasted six seconds.
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It has been clear for a while that the funding and cover-up of the funding of the wallpaper would sink him, not the wallpaper itself.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because Boris Johnson is likely to be up before the Standards Commissioner over his flat (and possibly other issues as well.)eek said:
As I've asked before - what was so important and urgent that Paterson had to be used to try and change the rules?IanB2 said:Bozo: “in retrospect it was obvious that it was wrong to conflate the two things” [Paterson, and the rules]
“Do we regret this - yes we do”
They needed to kneecap her well before that and the office as well.
Remember there was a previous PMQs where Johnson absolutely lost it at Starmer. Cameron-red face, shouting, wild gesticulation. Starmer had made it clear that he knew more than he was saying in public.
We had all kinds of ludicrous attempts to deflect away from this. Its now back. The Electoral Commission has already submitted its report to Downing Street - not yet public. The commissioner has already said she is going for it, hence the purportedly "I didn't do it" attack on her by both trying to overturn her entire process and have her resigned.
And then today. EVERYONE IS GUILTY he screams until Mr Speaker tells him to SIT DOWN and shut up.
They are guilty as sin, they know it, and I think they have finally realised they can't hide any longer.0 -
Wonder who will be along soon with a nice submersible?rcs1000 said:
That's 5% of British F35s at the bottom of the ocean.CarlottaVance said:That’ll be expensive:
A British F35 pilot from HMS Queen Elizabeth ejected during routine flying operations in the Mediterranean this morning.
The pilot has been safely returned to the ship and an investigation has begun, so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.
https://twitter.com/defencehqpress/status/1460987353410027530?s=211 -
NEW : The Prince of Wales has told me the Queen is “alright” but added “once you get to 95, it's not quite as easy as it used to be”. Speaking about his thoughts following COP26 he also told me “the problem is we cannot go on mucking about any longer…the urgency…is so great.”
https://twitter.com/SkyRhiannon/status/14609862323941089350 -
In the UK politicians put themselves forward for leadership too early and in the US, too late.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yvette is so much more mature then when I had dealings with her over HIPsIanB2 said:Yvette pushing on why, since he now concedes that Paterson broke the rules, he took the precise opposite stance earlier. “we need you to have some integrity; we need you to uphold the standards”
Discuss.2 -
Hmm, I remember some PBers saying the PM didn't break the rules.
On his visit to Hexham hospital Boris Johnson claims that “there was barely 30 seconds when I wasn’t wearing a mask… and I apologised for it.”
Until this moment Downing Street has not even admitted that he broke the rules.
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So why then did the "I'm the" Deputy Prime Minister get sent out to do the media round insisting the PM had followed the rules.rottenborough said:Johnson now claiming the lack of mask in Hexham was a mistake that lasted six seconds.
He wouldn't have to sit there looking his usual gormless saying "he followed the rules" as they repeat the clip proving he didn't" had as he just claimed he had only taken it off for 5 seconds and had realised it was a mistake.
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Well, exactly - that was only a few days ago and Mr J couldn't be enough of a hero for quite a few PBers.TheScreamingEagles said:Hmm, I remember some PBers saying the PM didn't break the rules.
On his visit to Hexham hospital Boris Johnson claims that “there was barely 30 seconds when I wasn’t wearing a mask… and I apologised for it.”
Until this moment Downing Street has not even admitted that he broke the rules.
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With the exception of the incumbent PM. Who was neither too early nor too late.IanB2 said:
In the UK politicians put themselves forward for leadership too early and in the US, too late.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yvette is so much more mature then when I had dealings with her over HIPsIanB2 said:Yvette pushing on why, since he now concedes that Paterson broke the rules, he took the precise opposite stance earlier. “we need you to have some integrity; we need you to uphold the standards”
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Is it a crime to wilfully mislead the house?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmm, I remember some PBers saying the PM didn't break the rules.
On his visit to Hexham hospital Boris Johnson claims that “there was barely 30 seconds when I wasn’t wearing a mask… and I apologised for it.”
Until this moment Downing Street has not even admitted that he broke the rules.
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Well it is a resigning matter. Or used to be.eek said:
Is it a crime to wilfully mislead the house?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmm, I remember some PBers saying the PM didn't break the rules.
On his visit to Hexham hospital Boris Johnson claims that “there was barely 30 seconds when I wasn’t wearing a mask… and I apologised for it.”
Until this moment Downing Street has not even admitted that he broke the rules.
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Yes. As Mr Speaker has repeatedly told the treasury bench.eek said:
Is it a crime to wilfully mislead the house?TheScreamingEagles said:Hmm, I remember some PBers saying the PM didn't break the rules.
On his visit to Hexham hospital Boris Johnson claims that “there was barely 30 seconds when I wasn’t wearing a mask… and I apologised for it.”
Until this moment Downing Street has not even admitted that he broke the rules.
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I wouldn't say he is either suitable or qualifed by historical standards, but I would say that he remains the appropriate person to lead the Conservative Party. In the run up and aftermath to Brexit he has embarked on a particular path, and remains the only person in the Conservative Party with the political skills to negotiate the various big intractable problems that follow from it. I also think that, in the end, he is the only person who can brush off this sleaze thing, because there is always sleaze and rule bending everywhere you go digging in public life, any supposed quest for purity in public life will ultimately be little more than a performance for the public who, in the end, aren't particularly gullible.eek said:
Would anyone on this site - except for HYUFD be at all upset (or surprised) if Boris went?Philip_Thompson said:
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.
I seriously can't think of any other poster here who thinks Boris is a suitable or qualified person for the job of PM...
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The lies are coming faster by the day. Eventually they will collide into one big enormous mess and he'll be done.RochdalePioneers said:
So why then did the "I'm the" Deputy Prime Minister get sent out to do the media round insisting the PM had followed the rules.rottenborough said:Johnson now claiming the lack of mask in Hexham was a mistake that lasted six seconds.
He wouldn't have to sit there looking his usual gormless saying "he followed the rules" as they repeat the clip proving he didn't" had as he just claimed he had only taken it off for 5 seconds and had realised it was a mistake.
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A mere £600m ?Carnyx said:
Indeed. This is not good.IanB2 said:The debate on the Randox contracts in the HoC doesn’t sound like it’s going very well for the government.
"A government Minister just confirmed in Parliament that there are no minutes to the meeting(s) that took place between Lord Bethell, Owen Paterson and Randox as part of Randox being awarded £600 million of contracts without any kind of tender or any process."...
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Political skills to negotiate big intractable problems ?darkage said:
I wouldn't say he is either suitable or qualifed by historical standards, but I would say that he remains the appropriate person to lead the Conservative Party. In the run up and aftermath to Brexit he has embarked on a particular path, and remains the only person in the Conservative Party with the political skills to negotiate the various big intractable problems that follow from it. I also think that, in the end, he is the only person who can brush off this sleaze thing, because there is always sleaze and rule bending everywhere you go digging in public life, any supposed quest for purity in public life will ultimately be little more than a performance for the public who, in the end, aren't particularly gullible.eek said:
Would anyone on this site - except for HYUFD be at all upset (or surprised) if Boris went?Philip_Thompson said:
Contrite is probably the best look in a very bad situation to get to the other side of this stupid mess.RochdalePioneers said:
Yep. I've suspected for a few weeks now that this could sink Johnson and I'm increasingly confident this will now happen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many years ago I was involved in a mediation where transcripts of board meetings were required from the other side.RochdalePioneers said:TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Bullshit. "I have been unable to locate the formal minutes" means there are no minutes. Now then, let us ask why that might be the case...TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1460983127153823746
Liaison committee coming up. Get your popcorn ready.
They sent everything we needed except the board meeting transcripts, we had to pester and pester them, their replies followed as such
1) We cannot find said minutes
then
2) We cannot still find said minutes
then
3) We have found said minutes, but only in a digital format, however it is password protected and the person who created the password no longer works for us, and we cannot locate them.
(We then asked the courts to compel them to name that employee)
4) Oh, we've remembered the password, here's the file emailed to you.
We took a look at the word file (helpfully they had left track changes on) and it was clear this file was created fewer than 48 hours ago and then kept on adding things to it.
His liaison committee is already not going well. "We will need more of your time Prime Minister" responded to with such a look of utter panic that the chair suggested "you can give short answers". And then straight into "is it not a conflict of interest that you are the ultimate arbiter for the ministerial code."
He looks contrite and weary.
When in a hole, stop digging.
I seriously can't think of any other poster here who thinks Boris is a suitable or qualified person for the job of PM...
No - animal skill and cunning to please people from day to day. This is something which eventually catches up with you without longer-term or strategic foresight, and which is exactly what has happened in the wake of the Paterson affair, from its beginning to now.1 -
The Hunt For The British F35Carnyx said:
Wonder who will be along soon with a nice submersible?rcs1000 said:
That's 5% of British F35s at the bottom of the ocean.CarlottaVance said:That’ll be expensive:
A British F35 pilot from HMS Queen Elizabeth ejected during routine flying operations in the Mediterranean this morning.
The pilot has been safely returned to the ship and an investigation has begun, so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.
https://twitter.com/defencehqpress/status/1460987353410027530?s=21
Could be a film in that.0 -
Does that mean some poor bugger is trying to make them up from scratch ?TheScreamingEagles said:Helpful update from @PA: "The Government sought to clarify that it has not lost the minutes of a meeting between Randox and a health minister, only that it cannot find them at the moment."
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Except he can't.darkage said:I would say that he remains the appropriate person to lead the Conservative Party. In the run up and aftermath to Brexit he has embarked on a particular path, and remains the only person in the Conservative Party with the political skills to negotiate the various big intractable problems that follow from it.
His solution to "no border in Ireland" is a border in the Irish Sea.
Since that is a shitshow, his solution to "a border in the Irish Sea" is to put a border in Ireland.
Brexit is, as you said, intractable...0
