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  • I'm so glad Aaron Bell listened to my ethics seminars.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,026
    eek said:

    See MalcolmG is having one of his better days.
    It was gentle for that absolute scumbag.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    I am most unimpressed and agree with Aaron Bell

    Paterson should serve his suspension
    But that would upset Mr Johnson. (Not sure why, actually, with a mahority of 80 or so. DUP link? Something much worse coming uP? As others have pointed out.)
  • Yay, another year of this, to help poor lawyers earn work.

    NEW: An approximate trial date has been suggested for the lawsuit against Prince Andrew.

    A judge in New York says it’s likely to be held next Autumn/Fall.
    He told legal teams acting for Andrew and his accuser Virginia Giuffre, the date is likely to be Sept-Dec 2022.

    Lawyers for both Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre estimate they will submit around dozen depositions each.

    That will include sworn evidence from both the Defendant (Andrew) and the Plaintiff (Giuffre).


    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1455916876308090885
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,026
    DavidL said:

    What you got was an NHS doctor who knows of what he speaks and who speaks well. Certainly better than most in the toon cooncil.
    They will soon knock any sense out of him David, any initiative shown and he will be dumped.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,080
    Carnyx said:

    But that would upset Mr Johnson. (Not sure why, actually, with a mahority of 80 or so. DUP link? Something much worse coming uP? As others have pointed out.)
    He can't afford his people being pulled up for poor ethics and lack of standards...where might such crazed lunacy end?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Yay, another year of this, to help poor lawyers earn work.

    NEW: An approximate trial date has been suggested for the lawsuit against Prince Andrew.

    A judge in New York says it’s likely to be held next Autumn/Fall.
    He told legal teams acting for Andrew and his accuser Virginia Giuffre, the date is likely to be Sept-Dec 2022.

    Lawyers for both Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre estimate they will submit around dozen depositions each.

    That will include sworn evidence from both the Defendant (Andrew) and the Plaintiff (Giuffre).


    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1455916876308090885

    Hmm, what's wrong with calling him Mountbatten-Windsor? It's a republic for heaven's sake.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,683

    Aaron Bell declares he will vote against

    I agree and hope many more do the same

    This is just wrong

    Well said Big G. And you're a bellweather - yes you are! - so this means Patterson's chips are fried.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,683
    Leon said:

    Yes, I am suspicious too. However her rationale: she does not want to embarrass the kids - including her own - seems reasonable

    Geo Galloway of that Ilk has lustily retweeted it
    Yes - George does everything "lustily", doesn't he?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    The entire school is insane


    Miss Moorehead
    @MissMooreheadCV
    · Nov 1
    P3B have been preparing for Thursday, when P6 are encouraging everybody to wear a skirt to raise awareness of #LaRopaNoTieneGenero, or as our lovely posters say ‘clothing has no gender’ @MissWhiteCV @MissMcGroryCV.

    How old are these kids? 6? Maybe 7?

    https://twitter.com/MissMooreheadCV/status/1455205389281239041?s=20
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    kinabalu said:

    Well said Big G. And you're a bellweather - yes you are! - so this means Patterson's chips are fried.
    Not sure. The rush by Mr J et al means the public have had hardly any time to react. Graun feed nevertheless has MPs commenting they are already getting serious feedback from their constituents.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,011
    edited November 2021
    250 - 232

    Cries of shame
  • More evidence to nuke The Met.

    A police officer who photographed the bodies of murdered sisters Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman has also posted controversial images on Facebook, it can be revealed.

    PC Deniz Jaffer, 48, has a public account called 'Hornchurch Turk' which has pictures of him in 'blackface' fancy dress at a party.

    There is also a sinister looking snap of a woman who appears to be passed out drunk on a London tube.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10161035/Deniz-Jaffer-Met-Officer-shared-photograph-murdered-sisters-posted-blackface-photograph.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879
    MPs have backed Boris Johnson's plans to overhaul disciplinary process in a move which blocks the suspension of Owen Paterson

    Leadsom amendment passes by 250 votes to 232
    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1455923976866308097?s=20
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    "P6 have been learning about the importance of breaking down gender stereotypes."


    P6 means the kids are nine. These poor wee Scottish lads and lasses are being taught to "break down gender stereotypes". Age 9

    I mean, if you want to rear a generation of people completely fucked up about sex, this is the way to do it

    https://twitter.com/MissWhiteCV/status/1453439650941505549?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,011
    edited November 2021
    HYUFD said:

    MPs have backed Boris Johnson's plans to overhaul disciplinary process in a move which blocks the suspension of Owen Paterson

    Leadsom amendment passes by 250 votes to 232
    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1455923976866308097?s=20

    Nothing to be proud of @HYUFD
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115

    I am most unimpressed and agree with Aaron Bell

    Paterson should serve his suspension
    I'd say you've got that right to a T but, sadly, you are one short.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    More evidence to nuke The Met.

    A police officer who photographed the bodies of murdered sisters Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman has also posted controversial images on Facebook, it can be revealed.

    PC Deniz Jaffer, 48, has a public account called 'Hornchurch Turk' which has pictures of him in 'blackface' fancy dress at a party.

    There is also a sinister looking snap of a woman who appears to be passed out drunk on a London tube.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10161035/Deniz-Jaffer-Met-Officer-shared-photograph-murdered-sisters-posted-blackface-photograph.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    Now, now, we all know there's nothing wrong with blackface fancy dress...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49758613
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,683

    You have a strange definition of scum! Murderers, child molesters and terrorists seem to deserve. Someone who writes a lot of letters certainly isn't. You could call him a number of other things - fraud, liar, hypocrite would all be in the realms of related to the offence.

    The recall element seems to have driven an outcome here that a compassionate committee may have accepted. If his Wife committing suicide had anything to do with the accusations then any suspension is dwarfed by his personal loss

    I do think the comparisons made to the 90s are misplaced though - the key thing on the ninetie was that Major was driving his moralistic back to basics campaign whilst his MPs were having affairs, indulging in interesting sexual practices and committing fraud. I will eat my hat if Boris starts a similar campaign!!!!
    Yes, sorry, that was non-serious. "Scum" isn't a word we want bandied around.
  • A sad day for democracy.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    DavidL said:

    I'd say you've got that right to a T but, sadly, you are one short.
    Not to mention another nine, alas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879
    edited November 2021
    Carnyx said:

    Hmm, what's wrong with calling him Mountbatten-Windsor? It's a republic for heaven's sake.
    They respect the fact his great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather used to be their head of state I presume, even if they did fight a war to gain independence from British rule
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115
    Leon said:

    "P6 have been learning about the importance of breaking down gender stereotypes."


    P6 means the kids are nine. These poor wee Scottish lads and lasses are being taught to "break down gender stereotypes". Age 9

    I mean, if you want to rear a generation of people completely fucked up about sex, this is the way to do it

    https://twitter.com/MissWhiteCV/status/1453439650941505549?s=20

    More like 11 actually, but yes. My sister is teaching P7 this year. I will have to ask her what her plans are for Thursday.
  • HYUFD said:

    MPs have backed Boris Johnson's plans to overhaul disciplinary process in a move which blocks the suspension of Owen Paterson

    Leadsom amendment passes by 250 votes to 232
    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1455923976866308097?s=20

    Poor show by non Tories there as well as the government. Should have been able to get over 250.
  • Called it, Yorkshire are fucked.

    We have taken the decision to remove our brand association with YCCC and Headingley Stadium. We do not tolerate any form of racism or discriminatory behaviour. We hope that YCCC will respond with serious action and uphold the values we all expect.

    https://www.emeraldgrouppublishing.com/news-and-press-releases/emerald-removes-brand-association-yorkshire-county-cricket-club
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,153
    Leon said:

    They're far too young
    Far too young to wear a skirt?

    There's nothing about wearing a skirt that should be seen as remotely unusual. It's a piece of cloth stitched into a particular shape. They're not introducing them to dildos.
  • Phew, Leon didn't post the story about Emerald before I did.

    I thought we might have a dupe.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,026
    I missed this one

    Joe Biden was flashed by a "large, naked Scottish man" as he travelled to COP26 climate talks, American media says.

    The US President is in Scotland along with more than 100 world leaders as he aims to thrash out a deal to limit global temperature rises and get states to go net zero by 2050.

    He has been travelling from a hotel in Edinburgh to Glasgow for the talks, and while en route he reportedly encountered an unclothed man who wanted pictures of the motorcade.

    A US media pool report said: "At one point when we were still on smaller country roads, a large, naked Scottish man stood in his front window taking a picture of the motorcade with his phone."

    It is unclear why the man had failed to dress up while taking getting photographs of the convoy.

    One news outlet suggested he could have forgotten to get dressed in an excited rush to see Mr Biden.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Far too young to wear a skirt?

    There's nothing about wearing a skirt that should be seen as remotely unusual. It's a piece of cloth stitched into a particular shape. They're not introducing them to dildos.
    And I've already pointed out this is Scotland. Where the formal national dress is a skirt, for either/any sex/gender.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    DavidL said:

    More like 11 actually, but yes. My sister is teaching P7 this year. I will have to ask her what her plans are for Thursday.
    But it's worse than that. Now we know this is all true we can go back to the original source

    This is being done across the school, to kids as young as five. Nursery


    https://twitter.com/British_Megan/status/1455889528607154180?s=20
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115
    My expectation is that the Standards Commissioner will now resign throwing this into further disarray. We have been down this road before but, sadly, we seem to have learned nothing.

    Its not easy being a Tory, is it?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Do we think India have a high enough total to defend in the T20?
  • Further proof that people who attend the University of Oxford are such ghastly entitled people.

    A jobless and “demanding” Oxford graduate who trained to be a lawyer has lost a court bid to force his wealthy parents to pay him maintenance for life.

    Faiz Siddiqui, 41, claimed that he was completely dependent on his elderly parents, who have given him cash and allowed him to live in a £1 million flat they own near Hyde Park in London.

    However the Court of Appeal heard that after a disagreement, Siddiqui’s “long-suffering” parents cut their support, triggering a legal challenge by their son.

    Yesterday judges dismissed Siddiqui’s claim, ruling that “whatever the moral position might be, parents should be under no legal duty to support their adult children, however grave their need”.

    Siddiqui received an upper second-class degree in history from Brasenose College, Oxford, and a master’s in taxation. Four years ago Siddiqui sued Oxford University for £1m, claiming that his failure to receive a first-class degree was the result of inadequate teaching. A High Court judge dismissed his claim in 2018.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxford-educated-lawyer-loses-court-battle-to-force-parents-to-pay-his-way-lczxvm8sm
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585

    Far too young to wear a skirt?

    There's nothing about wearing a skirt that should be seen as remotely unusual. It's a piece of cloth stitched into a particular shape. They're not introducing them to dildos.
    Far too young to have their brains messed with concepts like "breaking down gender stereotypes". It is lunacy

    And as we see they are doing it to kids as young as 5
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,026
    Leon said:

    The entire school is insane


    Miss Moorehead
    @MissMooreheadCV
    · Nov 1
    P3B have been preparing for Thursday, when P6 are encouraging everybody to wear a skirt to raise awareness of #LaRopaNoTieneGenero, or as our lovely posters say ‘clothing has no gender’ @MissWhiteCV @MissMcGroryCV.

    How old are these kids? 6? Maybe 7?

    https://twitter.com/MissMooreheadCV/status/1455205389281239041?s=20

    Primary 3 will be 7 years old
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Called it, Yorkshire are fucked.

    We have taken the decision to remove our brand association with YCCC and Headingley Stadium. We do not tolerate any form of racism or discriminatory behaviour. We hope that YCCC will respond with serious action and uphold the values we all expect.

    https://www.emeraldgrouppublishing.com/news-and-press-releases/emerald-removes-brand-association-yorkshire-county-cricket-club

    A CCC being outclassed by something called Leeds Rhinos is notable.
  • DavidL said:

    My expectation is that the Standards Commissioner will now resign throwing this into further disarray. We have been down this road before but, sadly, we seem to have learned nothing.

    Its not easy being a Tory, is it?

    I simply cannot defend today
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Leon said:

    The entire school is insane


    Miss Moorehead
    @MissMooreheadCV
    · Nov 1
    P3B have been preparing for Thursday, when P6 are encouraging everybody to wear a skirt to raise awareness of #LaRopaNoTieneGenero, or as our lovely posters say ‘clothing has no gender’ @MissWhiteCV @MissMcGroryCV.

    How old are these kids? 6? Maybe 7?

    https://twitter.com/MissMooreheadCV/status/1455205389281239041?s=20

    It’s Scotland. Their national dress, for men, is a skirt.

    I listen to a few anti-woke podcasts (spiked, triggernonetery etc) and they get themselves really worked up over this stuff.

    They’re living in a bubble of their own creation.

    No one, in the real world, cares.
  • Still I reckon Owen Paterson is the new Dom Cummings.

    Tories will defend him to the hilt today then a few months later, it'll be a case of he's a wrong 'un, always knew it, I never supported him.
  • Leon said:

    Far too young to have their brains messed with concepts like "breaking down gender stereotypes". It is lunacy

    And as we see they are doing it to kids as young as 5
    What is wrong with breaking down gender stereotypes? Sounds like a good thing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,183
    edited November 2021
    HYUFD said:

    MPs have backed Boris Johnson's plans to overhaul disciplinary process in a move which blocks the suspension of Owen Paterson

    Leadsom amendment passes by 250 votes to 232
    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1455923976866308097?s=20

    What next HYUFD? Johnson really is "Britain Trump".


  • A jobless and “demanding” Oxford graduate who trained to be a lawyer has lost a court bid to force his wealthy parents to pay him maintenance for life.

    Siddiqui received an upper second-class degree in history from Brasenose College, Oxford, and a master’s in taxation. Four years ago Siddiqui sued Oxford University for £1m, claiming that his failure to receive a first-class degree was the result of inadequate teaching. A High Court judge dismissed his claim in 2018.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxford-educated-lawyer-loses-court-battle-to-force-parents-to-pay-his-way-lczxvm8sm

    A groundbreaking campaigner for intergenerational fairness and improving standards in Higher Education, surely?
  • malcolmg said:

    I missed this one

    Joe Biden was flashed by a "large, naked Scottish man" as he travelled to COP26 climate talks, American media says.

    The US President is in Scotland along with more than 100 world leaders as he aims to thrash out a deal to limit global temperature rises and get states to go net zero by 2050.

    He has been travelling from a hotel in Edinburgh to Glasgow for the talks, and while en route he reportedly encountered an unclothed man who wanted pictures of the motorcade.

    A US media pool report said: "At one point when we were still on smaller country roads, a large, naked Scottish man stood in his front window taking a picture of the motorcade with his phone."

    It is unclear why the man had failed to dress up while taking getting photographs of the convoy.

    One news outlet suggested he could have forgotten to get dressed in an excited rush to see Mr Biden.

    I didnt notice any posts from you that day......coincidence?
  • Paul Waugh
    @paulwaugh
    ·
    10m
    BREAKING Standards reform passes: 250 votes for, 232 votes against.
    Shouts of 'shame!' from Labour. And one MP: 'What have you done to this place'.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,959
    Leon said:

    Far too young to have their brains messed with concepts like "breaking down gender stereotypes". It is lunacy

    And as we see they are doing it to kids as young as 5
    Just seen something on twitter from a primary in, I think, Scotland. Applies from nursery to P7. Beggars belief, frankly.
  • MaxPB said:

    So continues the Tory descent into autocracy. How did the opposition not have the numbers either? The government could have been defeated but where was Labour marshalling their own MPs and disaffected Tories into defeating the government?!

    Pairing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,683

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Twelve trans prisoners convicted of violence or sexual crimes have been accommodated in Scottish women’s jails within the past 18 months, according to figures released under Freedom of Information laws.

    A long-awaited review by the Scottish Prison Service (SPS) into Scotland’s transgender prison policy will consider ending the rare practice of transitioning male inmates demanding a move to female housing.

    Only one of the prisoners had completed transition and the other 11 were self-identifying as female, it has emerged.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-sex-offenders-are-moved-into-womens-jails-wmfb9k5n0

    So they are considering ending this rare practice. What is it you're worried about? Why are you saying "what could possibly go wrong?" like that? I don't quite follow.
  • MaxPB said:

    So continues the Tory descent into autocracy. How did the opposition not have the numbers either? The government could have been defeated but where was Labour marshalling their own MPs and disaffected Tories into defeating the government?!

    It is fair comment and how can the opposition not have defeated this
  • Poor show by non Tories there as well as the government. Should have been able to get over 250.
    232 is about 50 opposition no-shows, isn't it?
    In some ways, understandable; this was a bit of a snap vote. But it also points to something rotten in the state of Britain.

    Why does BoJo behave as if he can do whatever he damn well pleases?
    Because, in the main, he can.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,801

    Pairing.
    Even with pairing, surely the votes existed to defeat the government.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Wonders if the betting market on the next by-election will be moving tomorrow.

    https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/claudia-webbe-mp-guilty-harassment

    Sentencing due tomorrow on Claudia Webbe MP.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    edited November 2021
    Driver of the train in the Salisbury crash is 74 and has been driving trains in the areas for "around 50 years". He must really love his job! I hope he is able to make a full recovery, but unfortunately his injuries have been described as "life changing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59143021
  • I assume they have since read the transcript and cross-referenced it against the reams of evidence that Patterson was breaking the rules?
    And would you have the same standards with a jury, or an employment tribunal etc?

    So what if a juror wasn't there to here the defendants evidence, they can still vote to convict after reading the minutes?

    I note that the Ayes for the amendment was lower than the number of Opposition MPs.

    It seems to me that a considerable number of non-Tories must have also secretly thought that this amendment should have gone through and have abstained as a matter of conscience. It seems a shame they didn't feel free to vote for the motion due to petty partisanship.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    MaxPB said:

    So continues the Tory descent into autocracy. How did the opposition not have the numbers either? The government could have been defeated but where was Labour marshalling their own MPs and disaffected Tories into defeating the government?!

    Had wondered if Labour wanted Boris Johnson to seize the amoral high ground.
  • Pyrrhic victory?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879

    What next HYUFD? Johnson really is "Britain Trump".
    Though he still is in power unlike Trump (though who knows what will happen in 2024 after yesterday's swing to the GOP)
  • eekeek Posts: 29,690
    MaxPB said:

    Even with pairing, surely the votes existed to defeat the government.
    Not really - Tories have a majority of 80.

    And won by 18 votes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,153
    Leon said:

    Far too young to have their brains messed with concepts like "breaking down gender stereotypes". It is lunacy

    And as we see they are doing it to kids as young as 5
    Gender stereotypes - like those that have outwardly rational people on here musing that maybe women just aren't interested in politics, and that's why most MPs are men - are actively harmful.

    Gender stereotypes are thought to be one reason why young men don't talk to others about being depressed, leading to a shockingly high rate of suicide.

    We should certainly be teaching children that they can be who they want to be, and do what they want to do, regardless of whether they are a boy or a girl.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,801
    dr_spyn said:

    Had wondered if Labour wanted Boris Johnson to seize the amoral high ground.
    Nah, inflicting a defeat on a government with a majority of 80 is an instant boost for any opposition.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Leon said:

    The entire school is insane


    Miss Moorehead
    @MissMooreheadCV
    · Nov 1
    P3B have been preparing for Thursday, when P6 are encouraging everybody to wear a skirt to raise awareness of #LaRopaNoTieneGenero, or as our lovely posters say ‘clothing has no gender’ @MissWhiteCV @MissMcGroryCV.

    How old are these kids? 6? Maybe 7?

    https://twitter.com/MissMooreheadCV/status/1455205389281239041?s=20

    I think this type of thing will seem very normal by this time next year.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,026
    DavidL said:

    My expectation is that the Standards Commissioner will now resign throwing this into further disarray. We have been down this road before but, sadly, we seem to have learned nothing.

    Its not easy being a Tory, is it?

    Only if you are one of the teeny minority that is not as dodgy as a three bob bit
  • The fact that only 250 out of 361 Tory MPs followed the @BorisJohnson edict on the sleaze vote reflects just how contentious this was. The PM can expect a torrent of media criticism - inc from Tory-supporting papers - tomorrow. Mood toxic.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1455926640630960131?s=20

    Bad move, although I suspect it will blow over. Issues will come if they do something serious (like trigger Article 16 in a scope more than is necessary) then they have burnt a lot of goodwill.....
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Further proof that people who attend the University of Oxford are such ghastly entitled people.

    A jobless and “demanding” Oxford graduate who trained to be a lawyer has lost a court bid to force his wealthy parents to pay him maintenance for life.

    Faiz Siddiqui, 41, claimed that he was completely dependent on his elderly parents, who have given him cash and allowed him to live in a £1 million flat they own near Hyde Park in London.

    However the Court of Appeal heard that after a disagreement, Siddiqui’s “long-suffering” parents cut their support, triggering a legal challenge by their son.

    Yesterday judges dismissed Siddiqui’s claim, ruling that “whatever the moral position might be, parents should be under no legal duty to support their adult children, however grave their need”.

    Siddiqui received an upper second-class degree in history from Brasenose College, Oxford, and a master’s in taxation. Four years ago Siddiqui sued Oxford University for £1m, claiming that his failure to receive a first-class degree was the result of inadequate teaching. A High Court judge dismissed his claim in 2018.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxford-educated-lawyer-loses-court-battle-to-force-parents-to-pay-his-way-lczxvm8sm

    I think I should sue my business school for failing to make me a billionaire ...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,026
    kinabalu said:

    So they are considering ending this rare practice. What is it you're worried about? Why are you saying "what could possibly go wrong?" like that? I don't quite follow.
    Think fox in chicken coop may be the translation
  • Mr. Borough, Pyrrhus was an order of magnitude more impressive than Boris Johnson.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,418
    edited November 2021
    An occasional reminder that under our system an administration with a decent majority can do what it likes, pretty much.

    Paging Lord Hailsham.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115

    232 is about 50 opposition no-shows, isn't it?
    In some ways, understandable; this was a bit of a snap vote. But it also points to something rotten in the state of Britain.

    Why does BoJo behave as if he can do whatever he damn well pleases?
    Because, in the main, he can.
    I think allowing for SF and the Speaker there should have been about 277 votes available to the Opposition plus any Tory with any concept of propriety like Aaron Bell. So it is pretty lamentable, albeit the temptation to have the Tories own this must have been great.
  • eek said:

    Not really - Tories have a majority of 80.

    And won by 18 votes.
    273 opposition party MPs. Plus 6 independents, not sure how many of them would be classed with the opposition and how many were elected Conservatives who might expect to vote with the government.

    Even with pairing, and less 1 Deputy Speaker and 2 Tellers it should have been possible to martial 250 votes which would have defeated the amendment.

    Some opposition MPs either couldn't be bothered to turn up, or have abstained as a matter of conscience as they wanted the vote to be carried.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879

    Further proof that people who attend the University of Oxford are such ghastly entitled people.

    A jobless and “demanding” Oxford graduate who trained to be a lawyer has lost a court bid to force his wealthy parents to pay him maintenance for life.

    Faiz Siddiqui, 41, claimed that he was completely dependent on his elderly parents, who have given him cash and allowed him to live in a £1 million flat they own near Hyde Park in London.

    However the Court of Appeal heard that after a disagreement, Siddiqui’s “long-suffering” parents cut their support, triggering a legal challenge by their son.

    Yesterday judges dismissed Siddiqui’s claim, ruling that “whatever the moral position might be, parents should be under no legal duty to support their adult children, however grave their need”.

    Siddiqui received an upper second-class degree in history from Brasenose College, Oxford, and a master’s in taxation. Four years ago Siddiqui sued Oxford University for £1m, claiming that his failure to receive a first-class degree was the result of inadequate teaching. A High Court judge dismissed his claim in 2018.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxford-educated-lawyer-loses-court-battle-to-force-parents-to-pay-his-way-lczxvm8sm

    Would his getting a first class degree have made much difference anyway? A 2.1 from Oxford would have got him into most law firms even if not the top commercial barrristers chambers and indeed makes him just as qualified as the PM who also got a 2.1 from Oxford.

    Surely he could have got any job anyway, cared for his parents and then when they passed away he would have got a hefty inheritance of millions they may now give to the local cats home!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,153
    kinabalu said:

    So they are considering ending this rare practice. What is it you're worried about? Why are you saying "what could possibly go wrong?" like that? I don't quite follow.
    You don't find the idea of a woman being imprisoned in the same prison as another prisoner with a male body, convicted of sexual violence against women, to be chilling?

    There are few more terrifying scenarios.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    273 opposition party MPs. Plus 6 independents, not sure how many of them would be classed with the opposition and how many were elected Conservatives who might expect to vote with the government.

    Even with pairing, and less 1 Deputy Speaker and 2 Tellers it should have been possible to martial 250 votes which would have defeated the amendment.

    Some opposition MPs either couldn't be bothered to turn up, or have abstained as a matter of conscience as they wanted the vote to be carried.
    Lack of warning (deliberate, no doubt).
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,561
    malcolmg said:

    I missed this one

    Joe Biden was flashed by a "large, naked Scottish man" as he travelled to COP26 climate talks, American media says.

    The US President is in Scotland along with more than 100 world leaders as he aims to thrash out a deal to limit global temperature rises and get states to go net zero by 2050.

    He has been travelling from a hotel in Edinburgh to Glasgow for the talks, and while en route he reportedly encountered an unclothed man who wanted pictures of the motorcade.

    A US media pool report said: "At one point when we were still on smaller country roads, a large, naked Scottish man stood in his front window taking a picture of the motorcade with his phone."

    It is unclear why the man had failed to dress up while taking getting photographs of the convoy.

    One news outlet suggested he could have forgotten to get dressed in an excited rush to see Mr Biden.

    A large, naked Scottish man obsessed with Biden's motorcade.

    That'll be Donald then.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    darkage said:

    I think this type of thing will seem very normal by this time next year.

    Yes, Peak Woke will never happen, it will just continue and worsen

    You have to wonder how mad it might get
  • In acting as it has today, the government will make it a lot easier for many in the majority who oppose it to hold their noses and to vote for whatever party is best placed to defeat the Tory candidate in their constituency at the next election.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Pro_Rata said:

    A large, naked Scottish man obsessed with Biden's motorcade.

    That'll be Donald then.
    Doubt it. The description would then have been 'a large, naked, orange, Scottish man'
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    273 opposition party MPs. Plus 6 independents, not sure how many of them would be classed with the opposition and how many were elected Conservatives who might expect to vote with the government.

    Even with pairing, and less 1 Deputy Speaker and 2 Tellers it should have been possible to martial 250 votes which would have defeated the amendment.

    Some opposition MPs either couldn't be bothered to turn up, or have abstained as a matter of conscience as they wanted the vote to be carried.
    Oh, so it's all SKS's fault? Now that really does take the Tunnock's teacake.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,540
    edited November 2021

    More evidence to nuke The Met.

    A police officer who photographed the bodies of murdered sisters Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman has also posted controversial images on Facebook, it can be revealed.

    PC Deniz Jaffer, 48, has a public account called 'Hornchurch Turk' which has pictures of him in 'blackface' fancy dress at a party.Duh

    There is also a sinister looking snap of a woman who appears to be passed out drunk on a London tube.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10161035/Deniz-Jaffer-Met-Officer-shared-photograph-murdered-sisters-posted-blackface-photograph.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    DM overreaching there imo.

    The alleged Blackface pic looks like him being himself. A you say - Duh. Shades of the faux outrage bus about that pic of Gina Miller.
    The "omigod he's with a bloke in a gimp mask" is also Duh.
    The tube snap of the 'passed out woman' is imo problematic.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,561

    You don't find the idea of a woman being imprisoned in the same prison as another prisoner with a male body, convicted of sexual violence against women, to be chilling?

    There are few more terrifying scenarios.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45436953
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,765
    The Tories are even worse than I thought. Although I'm yet to see the detailed breakdown, given there are 361 Tory MPs and only 250 votes were in favour, it looks like a lot of the remaining 111 abstained - especially as only 482 votes were cast. It can't just be pairing. How the f**k can you abstain on a cut and dried motion like this? Pure cowardice, I'd suggest.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,683

    I'm surprised that anyone paying attention to US politics for the last several years can still think that the party brass in the GOP are able or willing to prevail against Trump.

    They failed in 2016. After Jan 6 there were signs that the shock had changed the situation. Some of us on here even speculated that McConnell might recommend GOP Senators vote for conviction, ruling Trump out of 2024 there and then.

    But McCarthy, McConnell and other "party brass" soon came into line behind Trump and defenestrated Liz Cheney who did not.
    I get what you're saying. On the surface it looks like he has the nomination if he runs and logic says he runs. But he's a probable loser for the WH (and plenty of influential people will know this) plus there'll be others of ruthless ambition eyeing the prize. It's my opinion that out of this "soup" will come a GOP nominee that isn't Donald Trump. I also have "events" running for me. Stuff happens around this guy. Only takes one thing, if it's the right thing, to take him out of the equation. We'll see.
  • TimT said:

    Doubt it. The description would then have been 'a large, naked, orange, Scottish man'
    Has anyone seen Donald and the Tango Man in the same room?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqVFnxHWnlc
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    TimT said:

    Doubt it. The description would then have been 'a large, naked, orange, Scottish man'
    Wouldn't help. It's almost a default amongst the habitues of the sun bars.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,487

    Nothing to be proud of @HYUFD
    In fairness to HYUFD he just reporting it like he does a lot of stuff very well.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,959

    What is wrong with breaking down gender stereotypes? Sounds like a good thing.
    I think, by and large, people are fairly tolerant of moves in this direction, so long as it isn't forced down their throats, or it involves their kids. Do that and you risk provoking a reaction which may remain subterranean for a while but will eventually force itself to the surface if you keep prodding.
  • The Tories are even worse than I thought. Although I'm yet to see the detailed breakdown, given there are 361 Tory MPs and only 250 votes were in favour, it looks like a lot of the remaining 111 abstained - especially as only 482 votes were cast. It can't just be pairing. How the f**k can you abstain on a cut and dried motion like this? Pure cowardice, I'd suggest.

    13 Tory No's

    Only 168 Labour No's / 199 MPs

    https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1124
  • Carnyx said:

    Oh, so it's all SKS's fault? Now that really does take the Tunnock's teacake.
    I didn't see it was his fault, did I?

    If some Opposition MPs wanted this to be carried, then that's quite reasonable for them to abstain on this.

    It will be interesting to see the list of Opposition MPs who didn't vote.
  • This from Guido of all people

    250 to 232 an 18 majority

    A lot of Tories did not want to be associated with this vote
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Mr. Borough, Pyrrhus was an order of magnitude more impressive than Boris Johnson.

    He'd certainly be a better classicist. Definite First in Greats.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    I didn't see it was his fault, did I?

    If some Opposition MPs wanted this to be carried, then that's quite reasonable for them to abstain on this.

    It will be interesting to see the list of Opposition MPs who didn't vote.
    POint taken re SKS.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585

    I think, by and large, people are fairly tolerant of moves in this direction, so long as it isn't forced down their throats, or it involves their kids. Do that and you risk provoking a reaction which may remain subterranean for a while but will eventually force itself to the surface if you keep prodding.
    Particularly kids age 5-11, who are so impressionable. Crazy

    Hence results like Virginia
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,683

    Ass?
    Yes, I so wanted to go with "Arsehole" - and "Ass" is better since we're talking the US - but it just wouldn't quite scan.
  • malcolmg said:

    F off scumbag, back under your rock you cretinous imbecile. Dribble about some one who cares.
    🤣😆😂🤣😆😂 I rest my case!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    edited November 2021
    Just to confirm I am not Sir Peter Bottomley, notwithstanding our shared point that its inappropriate to change a process 'mid-game'.

    The urgent timing of all this 'concern' is rather blatant in revealing true motivations to protect a mate, as well as misrepresenting a multi stage system.

    Even Guido can see reason on it. My MP fortunate to be absent for the vote it seems.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    So they are considering ending this rare practice. What is it you're worried about? Why are you saying "what could possibly go wrong?" like that? I don't quite follow.
    I see what you did there, neatly finessing a thoroughly valid point into an instance of what you probably call transphobia.

    How do you define "rare"? On a given day there's approx 400 women in Scottish prisons, and on the showing of this story 12 of them, or 3% are trans. And that's the ones that have been moved, whereas it's the applications which are called "rare." Applications are necessarily at least as numerous as actual moves, unless some people are being moved forcibly.

    Moving on from that, ignoring the one who has actually put hir money where hir mouth is, what would you think is a reasonable over/under number of the remaining 11 at which it is evens that they are purely taking the piss? Realistically?

    I don't know why you think there is anything wrong with finding this story as funny as it is. Tell you what: I know a bloke called Declan, 24 or 25, whom I've known since he was a very pretty 13 year old girl called Emma (names changed, otherwise true) who, if I didn't believe anyway in principle in the existence of trans people and their absolute right to be trans, is so obviously a bloke that I would change my mind. I'll ask him next time I see him if it's as funny as I think it is.
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