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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    The one Brexit shortage we sadly won’t ever see is of complacent posts from our Mr T.

    Although the fuel ‘crisis’ is long in the past, and I’ve not seen any stories or posts about gaps on the shelves, or pigs being culled for a while either.
    Yesterday a friend asked me where I got my German emissions sticker for my car; when he looked at the website I recommended, it seems that since January they can or will no longer mail them to the UK.

    Then I went down the picture framers to collect a picture I left with him three weeks back, but his resupply of frames is snarled in some Brexit import problem and he has no idea when they will arrive. He said he is worrying about his usual pre-Christmas boost in orders, for presents, and added that it is only weeks since he recovered from having problems importing glass.

    Lots of small businesses are suffering ongoing regular problems because of Brexit. Something tells me that people who run their own small businesses are underrepresented here.
    My nephew, a plumber, has several contracts which apparently he can't proceed with, for lack of (mainly imported) parts.

    Brighter morning here.
    One of the features of the next decade is going to be a move in production back around the world, reversing the recent trend of concentrating too much production in China and other Asian economies.

    China is becoming more politically difficult to deal with as a country, and we have seen clearly the pandemic effect on global supply chains which already had no slack left in them.

    How this relocation of manufacturing can happen in conjunction with a promised reduction in domestic carbon emissions, is a more difficult question?
    Factories, themselves, are often quite low carbon - machines running on electricity. It is the raw inputs, where the problems are.

    A bigger question, is where is all the electricity going to come from? Didn’t a bunch of factories in the UK get shut down by their electricity suppliers last month, after a few days of still and overcast weather reduced the output from renewables to almost nothing?
    More diversity in sources is required - see the North Sea Link, the Moroccan thing, mini-nukes* etc etc

    That and more storage.

    *Would be interesting to see what enrichment the core will be at. No one seems to have asked that question.
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.

    But you do not believe in the market. You do not think employers should have the freedom to recruit who they need to fill the vacancies they have.

    Not all people want care assistants. But many do. They often have low incomes. What happens to those people when they cannot afford the amounts needed for care?

    I do think they should have the freedom to recruit who they need to fill the vacancies. They can hire whoever will work for them within the market, when have I ever objected to that?

    The people who want care should pay whatever the market's going rate is for care. Deflating the going rate in order to achieve cheap care isn't the solution.
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,415

    I had a look at some of the reporting on Facebook recently.

    The issue is not that they deliberately go about fomenting extremism and discontent,

    The issue is that the dumb algorithms encourage extremism, that Facebook are aware of this, and do very little about it - and next to zero in non-English-speaking countries.

    I doubt YouTube or Twitter are very different, allowing for subtleties in form factor.

    It's rather that they actively encourage it.
    Divisiveness tends to increase engagement with the app; they are well aware of that, and have deliberately exploited that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130
    ydoethur said:

    An interesting side benefit of HS2:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/29/astounding-roman-statues-unearthed-at-norman-church-ruins-on-route-of-hs2

    Just think what archeologists are going to find when they do the A303 Stonehenge bypass!

    If they ever do...
    When I moved to Salisbury two decades ago, the conversation in the pub was that they’d have the Stonehenge tunnel open in three or four years’ time, and the traffic chaos in the summer would go away.

    I’ll believe it will open on the day it does, and expect the archeologists to take over the site for a decade once they start digging.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,491

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If only Philip's world of fantasy commerce were a reality.

    The ash-cart drivers issue is a growing problem. Who would want to share their cab with three stinking bin men bringing cold air in every five minutes when the alternative is an air conditioned Tesco Mercedes with just Ken Bruce for company.

    Non statutory collections like green waste have already been curtailed early for the winter.

    Where I think Philip's argument falls under the wheels of an Amazon truck is the quaint notion that high paid driving jobs are a permanent fixture of post Brexit Britain. They are not. When supply outstrips demand the wages will equalise. New contracts will be drawn up on a sign it or ship out basis. At least our bins will be once again ccollected.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Your last paragraph is one where any parent really *does* know the answer. Anyone who has held a birthday party for a whole class vs a birthday party for 5 friends knows it. To the very depths of their souls.....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618
    Nigelb said:

    I had a look at some of the reporting on Facebook recently.

    The issue is not that they deliberately go about fomenting extremism and discontent,

    The issue is that the dumb algorithms encourage extremism, that Facebook are aware of this, and do very little about it - and next to zero in non-English-speaking countries.

    I doubt YouTube or Twitter are very different, allowing for subtleties in form factor.

    It's rather that they actively encourage it.
    Divisiveness tends to increase engagement with the app; they are well aware of that, and have deliberately exploited that.
    I am not sure they do. If you watch videos on YouTube or TikTok on military history, it doesn't take long before you are watching pro nazi, Hitler was right videos. As such the algorithms have turned me off.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    edited October 2021

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If only Philip's world of fantasy commerce were a reality.

    The ash-cart drivers issue is a growing problem. Who would want to share their cab with three stinking bin men bringing cold air in every five minutes when the alternative is an air conditioned Tesco Mercedes with just Ken Bruce for company.

    Non statutory collections like green waste have already been curtailed early for the winter.

    Where I think Philip's argument falls under the wheels of an Amazon truck is the quaint notion that high paid driving jobs are a permanent fixture of post Brexit Britain. They are not. When supply outstrips demand the wages will equalise. New contracts will be drawn up on a sign it or ship out basis. At least our bins will be once again ccollected.
    Locally Hermes are now doing Amazon deliveries that were previously sent from Newcastle.

    Our Hermes driver is already complaining he is running at capacity and there are still 4 weeks until Black Friday really kicks things off.
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Your last paragraph is one where any parent really *does* know the answer. Anyone who has held a birthday party for a whole class vs a birthday party for 5 friends knows it. To the very depths of their souls.....
    Perhaps statisticians are not parents? After all, certain preliminaries have to be met...
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The sewage issue requires investment and actually allowing projects to go forward.

    The Thames Tideway project, which stops sewage being dumped in the Thames was kicked off in 2001. Construction started a decade later - largely due to a very hard fight to try and stop it happening.

    It is approaching completion now....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,491

    IanB2 said:

    The day after the budget traditionally belongs to the geeks, who have been up all night crunching all the numbers in the small print that the government would rather most people missed. And what the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the independent economics thinktank, had found wasn’t altogether encouraging for Brand Rishi.

    First up, there was no help for the unemployed, and middle-earners would face £3k in tax rises. Then there were rising energy prices, inflation and low growth with which to deal. Spending on education was almost nonexistent. Debt was still vast. Tax at its highest level since 1950s. Brexit more damaging to the economy than Covid.

    Voters endorse Rishi Sunak plans and back Chancellor's handling of the economy

    Boris & Rishi v Starmer & Rachel on managing the economy - 40%/25%

    http://news.sky.com/story/budget-2021-voters-endorse-rishi-sunaks-plans-and-back-chancellors-handling-of-economy-poll-12453567
    An impressive poll lead that may not see its way to the next election (unless that election is in early 2022).

    There is a bumpy ride ahead. What follows 5% or 6% inflation when we are expectant of less than 2% could be brutal. If inflation takes interest rates with it, Sunak better hope he's already been moved into another high office of state.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,503
    Mr. Doethur, that does sound like a plausible methodological flaw (and such things do happen: my favourite was a study of the behaviour of Brazilian lorry drivers that didn't actually look at Brazilian lorry drivers but people pretending to be Brazilian lorry drivers) though I don't have the studies to hand so cannot confirm that.

    I agree entirely on the badly behaved kids line. My school tried pairing good and bad kids, but it turns out one type of behaviour is more 'infectious' than another, and not the way they wanted. Although more galling was when an idiot teacher asked me if I had been smoking, when I (impeccably behaved) was sat next to a serial acquirer of detentions whose jacket reeked of smoke.
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If only Philip's world of fantasy commerce were a reality.

    The ash-cart drivers issue is a growing problem. Who would want to share their cab with three stinking bin men bringing cold air in every five minutes when the alternative is an air conditioned Tesco Mercedes with just Ken Bruce for company.

    Non statutory collections like green waste have already been curtailed early for the winter.

    Where I think Philip's argument falls under the wheels of an Amazon truck is the quaint notion that high paid driving jobs are a permanent fixture of post Brexit Britain. They are not. When supply outstrips demand the wages will equalise. New contracts will be drawn up on a sign it or ship out basis. At least our bins will be once again ccollected.
    You seem to think you're disagreeing with me, but you're not.

    Yes the wages will equalise and the solution will be resolved. Great. What's wrong with that?

    The wages will equalise at a higher level than they were when they were below equilibrium, even if they're below what they were while getting to equilibrium.

    We just need to let the market do its thing and get to the new equilibrium. If anyone can't afford a driver in the meantime, they'll just have to do without.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,503
    Dr. Foxy, really? I (fairly often) watch military history type stuff (HistoryMarche, Lindybeige, Shadiversity) and can't recall seeing any Nazi-ish links.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    They shouldn't be. Hospitalisations are dead boring, and much more interesting with 7 conversations to listen in on.
    Less fun when the guy in the bed opposite keeps throwing up…
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Some big increases in Covid cases in Belgium and Netherlands. Germany is also going upwards and first signs of Italy of the same about to happen. Both France and Spain are staying fairly static for now.


    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?time=2021-09-20..latest&facet=none&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ITA~CAN~DEU~GBR~FRA~BEL~NLD~ESP~AUS~NZL
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,415

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    The one Brexit shortage we sadly won’t ever see is of complacent posts from our Mr T.

    Although the fuel ‘crisis’ is long in the past, and I’ve not seen any stories or posts about gaps on the shelves, or pigs being culled for a while either.
    Yesterday a friend asked me where I got my German emissions sticker for my car; when he looked at the website I recommended, it seems that since January they can or will no longer mail them to the UK.

    Then I went down the picture framers to collect a picture I left with him three weeks back, but his resupply of frames is snarled in some Brexit import problem and he has no idea when they will arrive. He said he is worrying about his usual pre-Christmas boost in orders, for presents, and added that it is only weeks since he recovered from having problems importing glass.

    Lots of small businesses are suffering ongoing regular problems because of Brexit. Something tells me that people who run their own small businesses are underrepresented here.
    My nephew, a plumber, has several contracts which apparently he can't proceed with, for lack of (mainly imported) parts.

    Brighter morning here.
    One of the features of the next decade is going to be a move in production back around the world, reversing the recent trend of concentrating too much production in China and other Asian economies.

    China is becoming more politically difficult to deal with as a country, and we have seen clearly the pandemic effect on global supply chains which already had no slack left in them.

    How this relocation of manufacturing can happen in conjunction with a promised reduction in domestic carbon emissions, is a more difficult question?
    Factories, themselves, are often quite low carbon - machines running on electricity. It is the raw inputs, where the problems are.

    A bigger question, is where is all the electricity going to come from? Didn’t a bunch of factories in the UK get shut down by their electricity suppliers last month, after a few days of still and overcast weather reduced the output from renewables to almost nothing?
    More diversity in sources is required - see the North Sea Link, the Moroccan thing, mini-nukes* etc etc

    That and more storage.

    *Would be interesting to see what enrichment the core will be at. No one seems to have asked that question.
    It varies, is the answer.
    Enrichment level is only one metric, though, since safety depends rather more on the reliability of control and cooling systems - and from a proliferation point of view how easy it is to access the fissile material.
    There are many concepts:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_small_modular_reactor_designs
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
    Have we ever seen Philip and John Redwood in the same room? I know its been suggested some Tory MPs are hiding on here...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
  • BalrogBalrog Posts: 207

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    There was a statistic on the radio last night that 40% of global heating effects are from methane which has a lifetime of a few years in the atmosphere rather than many decades for CO2. We could make a dent in global heating much faster by reducing methane emissions while we work on CO2. Though I don't know the balance of natural versus man made methane emissions, and it makes the possibility of methane release from warming permafrost areas sound like a cliff edge risk...
  • rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The sewage issue requires investment and actually allowing projects to go forward.

    The Thames Tideway project, which stops sewage being dumped in the Thames was kicked off in 2001. Construction started a decade later - largely due to a very hard fight to try and stop it happening.

    It is approaching completion now....
    The investment needed would be significant but the results would be tangible and very good for the environment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,415
    edited October 2021

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The US has been energy independent since about 2011, so you've been drinking the Trump kool aid.
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
    Have we ever seen Philip and John Redwood in the same room? I know its been suggested some Tory MPs are hiding on here...
    John Redwood is a bit before my time, but he seems pretty sound on economics-only issues.

    But I can assure you, I have never attempted to sing the Welsh National Anthem.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, on the subject of Heathener, where's this lockdown we were guaranteed in October due to vaccines being so much less effective than we had hoped?

    We've got two days left and the government's not even brought back masks.

    The news on vaccines isn't great in terms of suppression of disease. Yesterday's report that double vaxxed people infect 25% of double vaxxed household contacts and 38% of unvaxxed for example. They do greatly cut serious disease and mortality though.

    But if vaccinations prove not to be great, then lockdowns are pointless (though less intrusive mitigations like air filtration less so). Just don't pretend that we can have anything like normal medical services in the foreseeable future.
    For me, this has been the biggest disappointment with the vaccines. For at least 6 months the expectation was that they would build herd immunity by stopping those vaccinated from being infected or infectious. I am not sure if that early optimism was just ill founded or the delta variant moved the goal posts but it has made the end game of this wretched disease a lot more painful.

    My brother is in hospital at the moment and seriously unwell. He is the only patient in his bay of 6 beds and, so far as I could see the other bays were the same. Despite this there has been a Covid outbreak on the ward and visiting has been stopped. There are 2 nurses on in his ward. The rest seem to be allocated to wards dealing with Covid patients. It is just a million miles away from anything like normal.
    Late to reply to this but (a) Delta has made herd immunity way harder and (b) with R around 1 in the UK with pretty much no restrictions, we are actually close to or at herd immunity. The missing part of the story about people who develop covid after having two jabs is that you are less likely to become positive in the first place and shed for a much shorter time, so overall there is still a decent suppression effect. And don't forget, mitigating the disease so that it becomes at worst a bad cold means it can be allowed to circulate.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,491

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
    Have we ever seen Philip and John Redwood in the same room? I know its been suggested some Tory MPs are hiding on here...
    Ask him to sing "Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau", if he doesn't know the words he must be John Redwood.
  • kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Your last paragraph is one where any parent really *does* know the answer. Anyone who has held a birthday party for a whole class vs a birthday party for 5 friends knows it. To the very depths of their souls.....
    Perhaps statisticians are not parents? After all, certain preliminaries have to be met...
    This is one of the many ways people who have never been teachers get teaching wrong - I went in to teaching back in 2003 on the basis that I wanted to 'step down a gear' - ahahahahaha - the biggest but luckiest error I have ever made - I now teach undergrads in an applied science university (ie a poly) but did my time in 16-19 ed at an FE college - I taught programming to arsonists/ car thieves/ home taught oddballs/ Posh kids who were deemed not worth the cost of one of the local privates and many others - all the time being told by the media/ politicians and many friends how cushy my job was and how the only thing a teacher needed was good subject knowledge - of all my jobs teaching is the one with the most ignorant ill-informed opinions bandied about - not least by education researchers - which I was for 6 years and now think is nothing more than a scam to provide work fo people unsuited to useful contributions to society.
  • MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    It has been 20 odd years since the Reps have won in Virginia, they have been bigged up before and failed. McAuliffe might well still sneak a win, could be very tight though.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Meanwhile in NZ they are debating how to get kids back into school. Some schools have been closed for almost 3 months. They had 125 new cases of Covid yesterday. They are certainly prioritising health over education even now with very good levels of vaccinations.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-primary-school-return-staggered-days-may-not-work-principals-say/BJAPCR4FGGCNMIWPCYZHZGCKMM/
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,609
    edited October 2021
    Disappointing lack of restaurant and food photos in this random restaurant tweet from Afghanistan.

    Just up the unnamed road in Fayzabad, though, there's a "Playground".

    This is a picture of them playing Buzkashi or "goat pulling" in the "playground"


    @_restaurant_bot
    کافه دوست Friends' Café; Unnamed Road, Feyzabad, Afghanistan https://google.com/maps/place/?q=place_id:ChIJRyDY2YAHxjgRPHWqZB3QFr8
    Translate Tweet
    8:55 AM · Oct 29, 2021·Rando Restauro
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The sewage issue requires investment and actually allowing projects to go forward.

    The Thames Tideway project, which stops sewage being dumped in the Thames was kicked off in 2001. Construction started a decade later - largely due to a very hard fight to try and stop it happening.

    It is approaching completion now....
    The investment needed would be significant but the results would be tangible and very good for the environment.
    Well, we have a choice (among other choices)

    - Have decades long planning processes so that Angry Men In Corduroy Trousers With Bicycle Clips can enjoy themselves.
    - Or we can build the required infrastructural changes sooner.

    What was interesting with the Tideway project was that the opposition was not from the water company. In fact they were pushing it along.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,198
    edited October 2021

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    The thing is, discipline is usually easier to maintain in smaller classes.

    Dr. Foxy, really? I (fairly often) watch military history type stuff (HistoryMarche, Lindybeige, Shadiversity) and can't recall seeing any Nazi-ish links.

    That’s my experience as well.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
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    I'm starting to think that we may have a new TB/GB situation. Post the 23/24 election I think it's gonna be Reeves & Phillipson but not in that order
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    It has been 20 odd years since the Reps have won in Virginia, they have been bigged up before and failed. McAuliffe might well still sneak a win, could be very tight though.
    Agree. I’d be wary of saying the Fox poll is right. But given the previous 4 polls to Fox essentially had a dead heat and there is general consensus McAuliffe’s campaign is in trouble, there is a disconnect in the betting odds. The value lies with a Youngkin bet.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The sewage issue requires investment and actually allowing projects to go forward.

    The Thames Tideway project, which stops sewage being dumped in the Thames was kicked off in 2001. Construction started a decade later - largely due to a very hard fight to try and stop it happening.

    It is approaching completion now....
    The investment needed would be significant but the results would be tangible and very good for the environment.
    Well, we have a choice (among other choices)

    - Have decades long planning processes so that Angry Men In Corduroy Trousers With Bicycle Clips can enjoy themselves.
    - Or we can build the required infrastructural changes sooner.

    What was interesting with the Tideway project was that the opposition was not from the water company. In fact they were pushing it along.
    The choices that tend to get made are chucking public money around and not getting tangible results. I expect this budget to be the same in that regard. Bunter should be using his green credentials for projects that will work, not pie in the sky.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    An interesting side benefit of HS2:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/29/astounding-roman-statues-unearthed-at-norman-church-ruins-on-route-of-hs2

    Just think what archeologists are going to find when they do the A303 Stonehenge bypass!

    If they ever do...
    When I moved to Salisbury two decades ago, the conversation in the pub was that they’d have the Stonehenge tunnel open in three or four years’ time, and the traffic chaos in the summer would go away.

    I’ll believe it will open on the day it does, and expect the archeologists to take over the site for a decade once they start digging.
    My boss, who ran the pub at Winterbourne Stoke on the A303 in the 1990's, left the pub because he was sure the road was going through imminently in around 1995. My folks live in Shrewton, a village that has become a massive rat run after the road layout changes at Stonehenge. I doubt my dad will see the new road open.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
    Of the many mad decisions made by SLS, having almost nothing re-usable, including four ex-Shuttle RS-25s on each launch, is probably the worst. They won’t be able to launch more than half a dozen times, before they need to start making new versions of a 40 year old design.

    Meanwhile SpaceX are flying Falcon 9s half a dozen times each, with very little refurbishment required to turn them around. The latest unmanned Starlink launches don’t even get mentioned on here any more, they’re utterly routine now.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,866
    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT, because I don't want my genuine apology to be lost in the scum end of an old thread

    Ever wonder what that Nick 'tuition fee' Clegg did all day these days?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1453809758616567809

    I would like to apologise unreservedly. Not for any offence caused (that's always intentional), but for voting for Nick fucking Clegg.

    Clegg of course the only peacetime LD leader since Lloyd George to end up in government and now likely to have had a say in the rebranding of one of the biggest corporations in the world, Facebook, to Meta as their VP of Global Affairs.

    Plus earning an alleged $2 million a year and supposedly quite the magnet for women in his youth.

    I am sure it makes up for losing his seat and leaving his party in the doldrums in 2015
    That's true if you care more about your own personal wealth and status more than the damaging impact you have on the rest of the world. Nick Clegg is a sell out of the highest order.
    Facebook has brought more happiness to more people than any political party.

    Nick Clegg should be proud to play a role in its success.
    That's a good point.
    Facebook isn't completely evil.
    Would it have been worse without the oversight board that Clegg introduced and which banned Trump because of his role in the Jan 6th insurrection?
    There is a lot wrong with Facebook but is it being improved or made worse by Clegg's involvement?
    One could have said the same about the coalition government.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    Disappointing lack of restaurant and food photos in this random restaurant tweet from Afghanistan.

    Just up the unnamed road in Fayzabad, though, there's a "Playground".

    This is a picture of them playing Buzkashi or "goat pulling" in the "playground"


    @_restaurant_bot
    کافه دوست Friends' Café; Unnamed Road, Feyzabad, Afghanistan https://google.com/maps/place/?q=place_id:ChIJRyDY2YAHxjgRPHWqZB3QFr8
    Translate Tweet
    8:55 AM · Oct 29, 2021·Rando Restauro

    Made me wonder for a moment what the Quakers were doing there.
  • DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, on the subject of Heathener, where's this lockdown we were guaranteed in October due to vaccines being so much less effective than we had hoped?

    We've got two days left and the government's not even brought back masks.

    The news on vaccines isn't great in terms of suppression of disease. Yesterday's report that double vaxxed people infect 25% of double vaxxed household contacts and 38% of unvaxxed for example. They do greatly cut serious disease and mortality though.

    But if vaccinations prove not to be great, then lockdowns are pointless (though less intrusive mitigations like air filtration less so). Just don't pretend that we can have anything like normal medical services in the foreseeable future.
    For me, this has been the biggest disappointment with the vaccines. For at least 6 months the expectation was that they would build herd immunity by stopping those vaccinated from being infected or infectious. I am not sure if that early optimism was just ill founded or the delta variant moved the goal posts but it has made the end game of this wretched disease a lot more painful.

    My brother is in hospital at the moment and seriously unwell. He is the only patient in his bay of 6 beds and, so far as I could see the other bays were the same. Despite this there has been a Covid outbreak on the ward and visiting has been stopped. There are 2 nurses on in his ward. The rest seem to be allocated to wards dealing with Covid patients. It is just a million miles away from anything like normal.
    Late to reply to this but (a) Delta has made herd immunity way harder and (b) with R around 1 in the UK with pretty much no restrictions, we are actually close to or at herd immunity. The missing part of the story about people who develop covid after having two jabs is that you are less likely to become positive in the first place and shed for a much shorter time, so overall there is still a decent suppression effect. And don't forget, mitigating the disease so that it becomes at worst a bad cold means it can be allowed to circulate.
    Unfortunately for very vulnerable people (include obese people in that) the virus develops past normal virus symptoms in decent numbers still. The government really could have used it's resources for a massive national health drive. Existing good health is still your best defence, weight is a very important factor.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    edited October 2021
    Balrog said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    There was a statistic on the radio last night that 40% of global heating effects are from methane which has a lifetime of a few years in the atmosphere rather than many decades for CO2. We could make a dent in global heating much faster by reducing methane emissions while we work on CO2. Though I don't know the balance of natural versus man made methane emissions, and it makes the possibility of methane release from warming permafrost areas sound like a cliff edge risk...
    The priority should be the other way round. A large fraction of every tonne of carbon dioxide we release will stay in the atmosphere effectively forever. Therefore the speed at which we reduce carbon dioxide emissions has a massive influence on the equilibrium level of global warming.

    Since methane only spends around 12 years in the atmosphere the methane we emit today has little impact on the long-term temperature equilibrium. So we can afford to leave that as a problem to address later. It also means we can reach an equilibrium merely by keeping emissions constant, while with carbon dioxide we have to reduce emissions to zero.

    The quick wins are to be found in the halogen compounds, which are extraordinarily long-lived in the atmosphere, have a strong warming effect, and are only used in a relatively small number of niche industrial processes, rather than being the result of our core energy or food use.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,198
    edited October 2021

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
    Are we sure Elon Musk is not a Bond villain?
    kingbongo said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Your last paragraph is one where any parent really *does* know the answer. Anyone who has held a birthday party for a whole class vs a birthday party for 5 friends knows it. To the very depths of their souls.....
    Perhaps statisticians are not parents? After all, certain preliminaries have to be met...
    This is one of the many ways people who have never been teachers get teaching wrong - I went in to teaching back in 2003 on the basis that I wanted to 'step down a gear' - ahahahahaha - the biggest but luckiest error I have ever made - I now teach undergrads in an applied science university (ie a poly) but did my time in 16-19 ed at an FE college - I taught programming to arsonists/ car thieves/ home taught oddballs/ Posh kids who were deemed not worth the cost of one of the local privates and many others - all the time being told by the media/ politicians and many friends how cushy my job was and how the only thing a teacher needed was good subject knowledge - of all my jobs teaching is the one with the most ignorant ill-informed opinions bandied about - not least by education researchers - which I was for 6 years and now think is nothing more than a scam to provide work fo people unsuited to useful contributions to society.
    I’ve seen a published, peer reviewed paper in an education journal where the results of a survey of less than a hundred people (of the “on a scale of 1 to 10” sort) was quoted to 10 significant figures; it didn’t do my faith in educational research much good.

    In fact most educational research at the time seemed to be designed to validate the prejudices of the authors. Each paper also used its own statistical technique and was virtually impossible to compare with other studies looking at the same thing: again I got the impression that this was by design.

    Hopefully things have improved in the last twenty years, but I haven’t been able to take educational research seriously since.
  • Facemasks really doing the job in Wales then with its highest infection rate in the UK. Almost conclude they are worse than useless in a real world setting
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,460
    edited October 2021



    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.

    My preferred solution for blocks of flats is district heating. I grew up with that in Denmark 50 years ago and it's still common across the country - you have a central CHP plant which distributes to the blocks using the more efficient or environmentally-friendly (depending on national priorities) tech available. It also saves endless hassle for households as well as some space. When I moved back to Britain and found that everyone had huge boilers in their own flats, each requiring regular maintenance and inspection, I was nonplussed - why would we want to do that?

    The solution is less suitable for well-separated detached houses, but those are exactly the ones where heat pumps work well.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    The failure to link HS1 and HS2 somehow - not nec in Camden - is another glaring example.
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
    Of the many mad decisions made by SLS, having almost nothing re-usable, including four ex-Shuttle RS-25s on each launch, is probably the worst. They won’t be able to launch more than half a dozen times, before they need to start making new versions of a 40 year old design.

    Meanwhile SpaceX are flying Falcon 9s half a dozen times each, with very little refurbishment required to turn them around. The latest unmanned Starlink launches don’t even get mentioned on here any more, they’re utterly routine now.
    SpaceX are so far ahead of the Senate Launch System that it seems almost impossible for it to become a competition again. It would require a total root and branch reform of the latter and many years of investment to catch up.

    This Earth to Earth solution has to be one of the most mental ideas imagined, London to Dubai in 29 minutes and England to Australia in under an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqE-ultsWt0

    If it were anyone else I'd think there's never a chance of that happening, but with SpaceX it certainly seems like it could possible in the future. I do hope they're working on it, but I suppose all the reuseable and reliable launchers must make it more feasible.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Pedantry compels the observation that that's a positive feedback loop
    Clearly you've never been a teacher :smiley:
  • rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT, because I don't want my genuine apology to be lost in the scum end of an old thread

    Ever wonder what that Nick 'tuition fee' Clegg did all day these days?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1453809758616567809

    I would like to apologise unreservedly. Not for any offence caused (that's always intentional), but for voting for Nick fucking Clegg.

    Clegg of course the only peacetime LD leader since Lloyd George to end up in government and now likely to have had a say in the rebranding of one of the biggest corporations in the world, Facebook, to Meta as their VP of Global Affairs.

    Plus earning an alleged $2 million a year and supposedly quite the magnet for women in his youth.

    I am sure it makes up for losing his seat and leaving his party in the doldrums in 2015
    That's true if you care more about your own personal wealth and status more than the damaging impact you have on the rest of the world. Nick Clegg is a sell out of the highest order.
    Facebook has brought more happiness to more people than any political party.

    Nick Clegg should be proud to play a role in its success.
    That's a good point.
    Facebook isn't completely evil.
    Would it have been worse without the oversight board that Clegg introduced and which banned Trump because of his role in the Jan 6th insurrection?
    There is a lot wrong with Facebook but is it being improved or made worse by Clegg's involvement?
    One could have said the same about the coalition government.
    Never get the ire given to Facebook - most people use it to keep in touch , be a bit nosy and show off a bit (a little like politicalbetting !) - The politics stuff i am not even sure there is a case and what is so wrong with pointing people to stuff that align with their values and beliefs? As for the interfering with elections , well every form of media has been exploited by policiticans over the years and why wouldn't it be?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The sewage issue requires investment and actually allowing projects to go forward.

    The Thames Tideway project, which stops sewage being dumped in the Thames was kicked off in 2001. Construction started a decade later - largely due to a very hard fight to try and stop it happening.

    It is approaching completion now....
    The investment needed would be significant but the results would be tangible and very good for the environment.
    Well, we have a choice (among other choices)

    - Have decades long planning processes so that Angry Men In Corduroy Trousers With Bicycle Clips can enjoy themselves.
    - Or we can build the required infrastructural changes sooner.

    What was interesting with the Tideway project was that the opposition was not from the water company. In fact they were pushing it along.
    The choices that tend to get made are chucking public money around and not getting tangible results. I expect this budget to be the same in that regard. Bunter should be using his green credentials for projects that will work, not pie in the sky.
    The problem is that *everything* gets opposed - and is supposed to be fed into a decades long planning cycle.

    A favourite was the stopping of a reservoir. It would have used a Victorian gravel pit. No, there was no ground contamination. The gravel pit was simply an ugly hole in the ground. The plan was to fill it with water, And wildlife. Killed by anti-reservoir types slow walking it through the planning process.

    The anger at the fast tracking of offshore wind farms provides an almost visible glow. I enjoy it.
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    Starmer's pals. No chance Ang is way better than those 2. Ang will hit back hard.
  • MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,432
    eek said:

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If only Philip's world of fantasy commerce were a reality.

    The ash-cart drivers issue is a growing problem. Who would want to share their cab with three stinking bin men bringing cold air in every five minutes when the alternative is an air conditioned Tesco Mercedes with just Ken Bruce for company.

    Non statutory collections like green waste have already been curtailed early for the winter.

    Where I think Philip's argument falls under the wheels of an Amazon truck is the quaint notion that high paid driving jobs are a permanent fixture of post Brexit Britain. They are not. When supply outstrips demand the wages will equalise. New contracts will be drawn up on a sign it or ship out basis. At least our bins will be once again ccollected.
    Locally Hermes are now doing Amazon deliveries that were previously sent from Newcastle.

    Our Hermes driver is already complaining he is running at capacity and there are still 4 weeks until Black Friday really kicks things off.
    I'd have thought where you are your deliveries would have come from the big site not far from where I work in Newton Aycliffe.


  • I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.

    My preferred solution for blocks of flats is district heating. I grew up with that in Denmark 50 years ago and it's still common across the country - you have a central CHP plant which distributes to the blocks using the more efficient or environmentally-friendly (depending on national priorities) tech available. It also saves endless hassle for households as well as some space. When I moved back to Britain and found that everyone had huge boilers in their own flats, each requiring regular maintenance and inspection, I was nonplussed - why would we want to do that?

    The solution is less suitable for well-separated detached houses, but those are exactly the ones where heat pumps work well.
    What about privately owned terraces?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
    Are we sure Elon Musk is not a Bond villain?
    kingbongo said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Your last paragraph is one where any parent really *does* know the answer. Anyone who has held a birthday party for a whole class vs a birthday party for 5 friends knows it. To the very depths of their souls.....
    Perhaps statisticians are not parents? After all, certain preliminaries have to be met...
    This is one of the many ways people who have never been teachers get teaching wrong - I went in to teaching back in 2003 on the basis that I wanted to 'step down a gear' - ahahahahaha - the biggest but luckiest error I have ever made - I now teach undergrads in an applied science university (ie a poly) but did my time in 16-19 ed at an FE college - I taught programming to arsonists/ car thieves/ home taught oddballs/ Posh kids who were deemed not worth the cost of one of the local privates and many others - all the time being told by the media/ politicians and many friends how cushy my job was and how the only thing a teacher needed was good subject knowledge - of all my jobs teaching is the one with the most ignorant ill-informed opinions bandied about - not least by education researchers - which I was for 6 years and now think is nothing more than a scam to provide work fo people unsuited to useful contributions to society.
    I’ve seen a published, peer reviewed paper in an education journal where the results of a survey of less than a hundred people (of the “on a scale of 1 to 10” sort) was quoted to 10 significant figures; it didn’t do my faith in educational research much good.

    In fact most educational research at the time seemed to be designed to validate the prejudices of the authors. Each paper also used its own statistical technique and was virtually impossible to compare with other studies looking at the same thing: again I got the impression that this was by design.

    Hopefully things have improved in the last twenty years, but I haven’t been able to take educational research seriously since.
    I remember my physics teacher spending ages teaching us about significant figures.

    Your example makes me think she would have pursed her lips, flexed a ruler to breaking point, then proceeded to given them a piece of her mind. In short, declarative sentences. Without raising her voice. And reduced them to a small pile of quivering jelly, by reasoned argument.

    Bless her.
  • ned to use up my pension allowance so buying some shares (lilke individual ones) today in my SIPP. Any suggestions or tips?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,656
    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Based and pilled. 👊
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    edited October 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am now cut off from the rest of Cumbria let alone the rest of the U.K.

    There are only 3 routes out:
    - the train - closed
    - east to Kendal - but can't even get to Broughton because Duddon Bridge is closed
    - up the coast and across to the M6 somewhere near Penrith - also out because a bridge at Holmrook is closed.

    Rising water in the rivers rather than actual flooding seems to be the reason.

    In theory I could try driving over the fells and hope to get to the central lakes and out that way. But not sensible when there has been lots of rain and local floods and if you get stuck the sheep will do sod all to help.

    Not that I want to get out just yet. But have a theatre ticket in London on 8th November so just planning my escape route for then.

    The good news though is that some people are ignoring the closed roads signs and driving through anyway. The contempt people round here have for Cumbria County Council has to be seen to be believed.

    Perhaps the local council will finally do something about strengthening the bridges, an issue which people have complained about for some time.

    Climate change is a concern here. If sea levels rise, a lot of coastal communities round here will be underwater. Not where I am. But nearby and it will affect Sellafield and nuclear storage plans and the West Coast mainline.

    And, no, I am not going to tell you about my sex life.

    (I hope I've got the new PB posting style right.)

    Do you mean the Cumbrian coastline? The WCML goes inland through Penrith and over Shap Fell. If that floods then it’s more than Millom, Whitehaven and Sellafield will be flooded!
    Yes of course - silly me. I meant the coastal train service that goes to Sellafield and on up. A lovely journey but the whole thing is in a flood risk zone.

    IanB2 said:



    Lots of small businesses are suffering ongoing regular problems because of Brexit. Something tells me that people who run their own small businesses are underrepresented here.

    Interesting, I expect you are correct that running a small business does not leave ample time for posting interminably on pb.com.

    Now, lawyers on the other hand ....

    It is certainly noticeable how many of our frequent posters are lawyers. :)

    I have always had a suspicion those lawyer's fees at £300-1000 per hour were overcharges for actual work done on the job
    Some of us try to represent the views of the overworked and very stressed small businesswoman aka My Daughter.

    And, yes, she has found it harder since reopening fully. Lots of costs are going up. Food and drink in pubs and restaurants will be more expensive not less, regardless of what Sunak said. Margins will be even tighter. There are unexpected shortages in her deliveries.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143

    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hey @rcs1000 Totally OT question since you're here, is fossil fuel divestment doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital or is it just moving bags from woke pension funds to non-woke investors at a tiny discount?

    No, it's not doing anything to starve fossil fuel companies of capital.

    For a start, the number of ethical funds is tiny relative to the market. Someone selling Shell wouldn't make a big difference to the pool of buyers. And the remainder are very price sensitive, so I simply can't see how it could do anything more than (maybe) move the equilibrium share price by a percent or two.

    But perhaps more importantly - the big oil companies aren't in need of capital! Shell pays out more than $15 billion in dividends every year. They aren't turning up asking Mr Market for money, they're handing massive amounts out to shareholders year in and year out. (I remember Simon Henry, the old Shell CFO, saying to me "Shell has been paying its dividends uninterrupted for a lot longer than most countries have been paying their debts."
    The starving will have to be on the demand side.
    Quite right.

    If you want to make Shell less profitable, use less oil.
    Until we have fully viable, scalable, alternatives to all the products we make from oil that is not going to happen.
    This is the "step function fallacy". Nothing is worth doing until we can solve the problem all in one go.

    Here's what you can do: install insulation; when your boiler is up for replacement, get a tankless water heater, choose a heat pump over a/c and heating. There are lots of little things that help at the margin. And lots of little things - over time - turn into big things.
    Exactly this.

    There is nearly never One Big Solution to The Big Problem.

    So for carbon dioxide emissions we have *hundreds* of ongoing solutions. Each, by itself, might, at most, be a few percent of the problem. But if *many* of them come through, you get to zero net emissions.

    For oil, yes, without petrol, diesel and other fuels, you have plastics. So there are projects on the list for that....
    They might get you to net zero power as well. Then it is back to square one. What our leaders should be focusing on is getting the basics right first,. Certainly in this country, clean air and clean water. Both are a long way off where they should be in 2021.
    Solutions to generating electricity without emitting carbon exist in vast numbers. As does storage of generated power. And the price on most of them are falling as well.

    In many, many categories of pollution apart from CO2, emissions have been falling in the developed world. This has been accomplished by incremental reductions in the maximum allowed rates, for each "generation" of machinery etc. This process has been quietly doing it's thing since the 1950s. This was another thing that Donald Fucking Trump screwed up in the US, by the way.
    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.
    The sewage issue requires investment and actually allowing projects to go forward.

    The Thames Tideway project, which stops sewage being dumped in the Thames was kicked off in 2001. Construction started a decade later - largely due to a very hard fight to try and stop it happening.

    It is approaching completion now....
    The investment needed would be significant but the results would be tangible and very good for the environment.
    Well, we have a choice (among other choices)

    - Have decades long planning processes so that Angry Men In Corduroy Trousers With Bicycle Clips can enjoy themselves.
    - Or we can build the required infrastructural changes sooner.

    What was interesting with the Tideway project was that the opposition was not from the water company. In fact they were pushing it along.
    The choices that tend to get made are chucking public money around and not getting tangible results. I expect this budget to be the same in that regard. Bunter should be using his green credentials for projects that will work, not pie in the sky.
    If you don't want water to cause sewers to overflow, you need either

    - A place for rainwater to go that isn't the sewers.
    - More sewer capacity.

    Probably both. And both will require lots and lots of infrastructure.

    I will bet that in every single case the local water company has the plan on file, or part way through the planning process etc etc.
  • MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Absolutely fine to say it. You might want to remember the disclaimer though.


  • I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.

    My preferred solution for blocks of flats is district heating. I grew up with that in Denmark 50 years ago and it's still common across the country - you have a central CHP plant which distributes to the blocks using the more efficient or environmentally-friendly (depending on national priorities) tech available. It also saves endless hassle for households as well as some space. When I moved back to Britain and found that everyone had huge boilers in their own flats, each requiring regular maintenance and inspection, I was nonplussed - why would we want to do that?

    The solution is less suitable for well-separated detached houses, but those are exactly the ones where heat pumps work well.
    District heating presumably means the heating goes on when a bureaucrat at the local town hall says it should, rather than when those in the flat are cold? If it’s like the heating system at school you will have a mixture of people who have to buy electric heaters to get the temperature up to what they want and those that spend all winter with the windows wide open.

    Also how do you get a local CHP plant built in centra London (for example)? Close Tate Modern and put it back to its original purpose?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,415



    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.

    My preferred solution for blocks of flats is district heating. I grew up with that in Denmark 50 years ago and it's still common across the country - you have a central CHP plant which distributes to the blocks using the more efficient or environmentally-friendly (depending on national priorities) tech available. It also saves endless hassle for households as well as some space. When I moved back to Britain and found that everyone had huge boilers in their own flats, each requiring regular maintenance and inspection, I was nonplussed - why would we want to do that?

    The solution is less suitable for well-separated detached houses, but those are exactly the ones where heat pumps work well.
    And the technology for CHP has improved considerably in the last few years. See, for example, Ceres Power's stainless steel fuel cells.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,460



    I don't see any solutions to replacing gas as the main UK heat resource anytime soon. Heat pumps are not going to cut it in flats and terraced houses. Once the lights go out it is game over for the greens. Trump made the US energy independent, which is what Bunter could do here, we have the resources, while sorting the air and water. Sewage is dumped in rivers as routine by our appalling water companies and our authorities continue to create air pollution with their traffic policies.

    My preferred solution for blocks of flats is district heating. I grew up with that in Denmark 50 years ago and it's still common across the country - you have a central CHP plant which distributes to the blocks using the more efficient or environmentally-friendly (depending on national priorities) tech available. It also saves endless hassle for households as well as some space. When I moved back to Britain and found that everyone had huge boilers in their own flats, each requiring regular maintenance and inspection, I was nonplussed - why would we want to do that?

    The solution is less suitable for well-separated detached houses, but those are exactly the ones where heat pumps work well.
    What about privately owned terraces?
    They have the option to link up to the network - needs some cable/pipe laying but it will be running close to them for other properties. Denmark is I believe now normally refusing to give permission to new gas boilers - you need to either have a heat pump or link up to the network or show that neither is possible at rteasonable cost.
  • Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    I had a look at some of the reporting on Facebook recently.

    The issue is not that they deliberately go about fomenting extremism and discontent,

    The issue is that the dumb algorithms encourage extremism, that Facebook are aware of this, and do very little about it - and next to zero in non-English-speaking countries.

    I doubt YouTube or Twitter are very different, allowing for subtleties in form factor.

    It's rather that they actively encourage it.
    Divisiveness tends to increase engagement with the app; they are well aware of that, and have deliberately exploited that.
    I am not sure they do. If you watch videos on YouTube or TikTok on military history, it doesn't take long before you are watching pro nazi, Hitler was right videos. As such the algorithms have turned me off.
    I am genuinely surprised about that. I watch loads of Youtube history videos and can honestly say I have never been directed to a pro-Nazi video.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, on the subject of Heathener, where's this lockdown we were guaranteed in October due to vaccines being so much less effective than we had hoped?

    We've got two days left and the government's not even brought back masks.

    The news on vaccines isn't great in terms of suppression of disease. Yesterday's report that double vaxxed people infect 25% of double vaxxed household contacts and 38% of unvaxxed for example. They do greatly cut serious disease and mortality though.

    But if vaccinations prove not to be great, then lockdowns are pointless (though less intrusive mitigations like air filtration less so). Just don't pretend that we can have anything like normal medical services in the foreseeable future.
    For me, this has been the biggest disappointment with the vaccines. For at least 6 months the expectation was that they would build herd immunity by stopping those vaccinated from being infected or infectious. I am not sure if that early optimism was just ill founded or the delta variant moved the goal posts but it has made the end game of this wretched disease a lot more painful.

    My brother is in hospital at the moment and seriously unwell. He is the only patient in his bay of 6 beds and, so far as I could see the other bays were the same. Despite this there has been a Covid outbreak on the ward and visiting has been stopped. There are 2 nurses on in his ward. The rest seem to be allocated to wards dealing with Covid patients. It is just a million miles away from anything like normal.
    Late to reply to this but (a) Delta has made herd immunity way harder and (b) with R around 1 in the UK with pretty much no restrictions, we are actually close to or at herd immunity. The missing part of the story about people who develop covid after having two jabs is that you are less likely to become positive in the first place and shed for a much shorter time, so overall there is still a decent suppression effect. And don't forget, mitigating the disease so that it becomes at worst a bad cold means it can be allowed to circulate.
    Unfortunately for very vulnerable people (include obese people in that) the virus develops past normal virus symptoms in decent numbers still. The government really could have used it's resources for a massive national health drive. Existing good health is still your best defence, weight is a very important factor.
    Weight is important, but primarily its the morbidly obese that cannot be proned that is the issue, aside of general unhealthiness associated with being overweight. if you are too fat that you cannot be laid on your front to allow the shit (technical term) to drain out then its a lot harder to treat in ICU.
  • ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    I saw a service sheet where the word “burning” in a hymn had been replaced with “buming”. The person responsible had to spend an hour before the service correcting each one by hand…
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Pedantry compels the observation that that's a positive feedback loop
    Clearly you've never been a teacher :smiley:
    Positive does not mean good

    Positive feedback = going faster makes you go faster (like a supercharger)

    Negative - going faster makes you slow down (watt governor)

    In your case a negative feedback loop would mean that one child kicking off caused the others to chill out
  • ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    Yes, the new meaning of sod has spoilt a lot of English literature. Think of Keats's 'To thy high requiem become a sod'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    I saw a service sheet where the word “burning” in a hymn had been replaced with “buming”. The person responsible had to spend an hour before the service correcting each one by hand…
    I bet they started by saying, 'oh bugger.'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    It has been 20 odd years since the Reps have won in Virginia, they have been bigged up before and failed. McAuliffe might well still sneak a win, could be very tight though.
    The Republicans may not have won Virginia at presidential level since Bush in 2004.

    However the Republicans last won the Virginia governorship in 2009 during the first year of the Obama presidency
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Pedantry compels the observation that that's a positive feedback loop
    Clearly you've never been a teacher :smiley:
    Positive does not mean good

    Positive feedback = going faster makes you go faster (like a supercharger)

    Negative - going faster makes you slow down (watt governor)

    In your case a negative feedback loop would mean that one child kicking off caused the others to chill out
    You know, that sounds like an awesome idea.

    But I see your point.
  • Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
    Have we ever seen Philip and John Redwood in the same room? I know its been suggested some Tory MPs are hiding on here...
    John Redwood is a bit before my time, but he seems pretty sound on economics-only issues.

    But I can assure you, I have never attempted to sing the Welsh National Anthem.
    Neither has he...!!!
  • HYUFD said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    It has been 20 odd years since the Reps have won in Virginia, they have been bigged up before and failed. McAuliffe might well still sneak a win, could be very tight though.
    The Republicans may not have won Virginia at presidential level since Bush in 2004.

    However the Republicans last won the Virginia governorship in 2009 during the first year of the Obama presidency
    Still expect McAuliffe to win.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,749
    edited October 2021
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    I saw a service sheet where the word “burning” in a hymn had been replaced with “buming”. The person responsible had to spend an hour before the service correcting each one by hand…
    I bet they started by saying, 'oh bugger.'
    yeah burning (usually people in hell in a hymm setting) is a lot more socially acceptable than buming isn't it!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    edited October 2021

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    Yes, the new meaning of sod has spoilt a lot of English literature. Think of Keats's 'To thy high requiem become a sod'.
    'Sod' is actually a very old meaning. 'Sodomy' was the technical term for gay sex in the Middle Ages. It is from the Bible, 'Sodomite,' a person of Sodom.

    What's been lost is the understanding of its other meaning which causes some hilarity when taken out of context.

    'What are you doing this afternoon?'

    'Laying lots of sods.'

    Now to me, that suggests gardening, but it may be that this person is a homosexual version of SeanT.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    Yes, the new meaning of sod has spoilt a lot of English literature. Think of Keats's 'To thy high requiem become a sod'.
    Except sod as an insult is itself getting archaic

    I watched The Last Airbender the other night. It's as bad as everyone says, and there's a bit where someone addresses the hero about the time"when we first realised you were a bender."
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,198
    edited October 2021

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
    Have we ever seen Philip and John Redwood in the same room? I know its been suggested some Tory MPs are hiding on here...
    John Redwood is a bit before my time, but he seems pretty sound on economics-only issues.

    But I can assure you, I have never attempted to sing the Welsh National Anthem.
    Neither has he...!!!
    The trick is to belt out “My hen lid a haddock on top of a tree” very confidently for the opening line and then mime the rest…

    Edit: mime, not mine!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    Meanwhile speaking of large companies, @RochdalePioneers and others might be interested in noting that Amazon have discovered the solution to avoid Christmas shortages.

    Spoiler alert: Just pay more.

    Erm yeah. That was the case from day 1. The reason why the largest companies will "just pay more" is that in any supply crisis there are winners and losers. Amazon see this - like Covid - as a massive market opportunity and are investing accordingly.

    What this Amazon "just pay more" doesn't do is remove Christmas shortages. It just shifts the shortages elsewhere. the watchout at the moment is from councils where some are under siege losing bin lorry drivers who in the winter also drive gritters...
    Which is what I said elsewhere. The "elsewhere" will be the least productive, least efficient, least wanted element. So we can do without it.

    Anything that's actually wanted, people will pay for.

    That's not a market failure, its the market working efficiently.
    The "elsewhere" are places that people shop, services that people use, and their failure creates the shortage you continue to deny.

    Nothing in the budget for emergency cash injections to councils already struggling to provide statutory services to fund "just pay more" to ensure bins get emptied and roads get gritted. Apparently we can do without gritting...
    If people are keen to shop there then the company will be able to afford drivers. If not, then we can do without it.

    The Councils can prioritise funding drivers and cut something else instead if that's what is required.
    As always your political dogma is splatting hard against the wall of reality. Whilst you still insist that there will be no shortages AND the shortages (created by barriers to the labour force) are a result of a healthy functioning market.

    It can't be both.
    Are you functionally illiterate?

    I never said there will be no shortages. I said the market should efficiently eradicate the least productive, least efficient, least wanted elements from itself. Once it does that those things will be gone (or a "shortage") and the shortage will be closed because its become permanent on whatever was least wanted.

    If supply and demand are out of balance then price changes are the only long-term solution to fill the shortage. Price goes up, demand goes down, supply goes up, the shortage is removed by being made permanent.

    Importing people at below-market prices doesn't fill the shortage because they create their own demand thus expanding Aggregate Demand so the shortage remains unfilled. Hence why twenty years of importing people at below market rates hasn't filled the labour shortages. Einstein's definition of insanity applies here.
    Have we ever seen Philip and John Redwood in the same room? I know its been suggested some Tory MPs are hiding on here...
    John Redwood is a bit before my time, but he seems pretty sound on economics-only issues.

    But I can assure you, I have never attempted to sing the Welsh National Anthem.
    Neither has he...!!!
    The trick is to belt out “My hen lid a haddock on top of a tree” very confidently for the opening line and then mine the rest.
    I'm fairly sure you'd get a coaled reception if you tried that.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,503
    Mr. Z, the film? Not seen that or the anime, but apparently the latter is rather good.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    Yes, the new meaning of sod has spoilt a lot of English literature. Think of Keats's 'To thy high requiem become a sod'.
    Except sod as an insult is itself getting archaic

    I watched The Last Airbender the other night. It's as bad as everyone says, and there's a bit where someone addresses the hero about the time"when we first realised you were a bender."
    Watch the original cartoon series: it is much, much better.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
    Of the many mad decisions made by SLS, having almost nothing re-usable, including four ex-Shuttle RS-25s on each launch, is probably the worst. They won’t be able to launch more than half a dozen times, before they need to start making new versions of a 40 year old design.

    Meanwhile SpaceX are flying Falcon 9s half a dozen times each, with very little refurbishment required to turn them around. The latest unmanned Starlink launches don’t even get mentioned on here any more, they’re utterly routine now.
    SpaceX are so far ahead of the Senate Launch System that it seems almost impossible for it to become a competition again. It would require a total root and branch reform of the latter and many years of investment to catch up.

    This Earth to Earth solution has to be one of the most mental ideas imagined, London to Dubai in 29 minutes and England to Australia in under an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqE-ultsWt0

    If it were anyone else I'd think there's never a chance of that happening, but with SpaceX it certainly seems like it could possible in the future. I do hope they're working on it, but I suppose all the reuseable and reliable launchers must make it more feasible.
    That’s going to be technically possible within a decade, the challenges will be reliability, scheduling and pricing - oh, and planning permission for something that will shake windows with a sonic boom as it takes off and lands. Maybe the Amercians won’t care as much as they did with Concorde, as it’s an American project this time?

    Speaking of Concorde, they will need to make very sure they never crash one, because it will kill the demand overnight. We forget how much safer commercial flight has become over the last half a century.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995
    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am now cut off from the rest of Cumbria let alone the rest of the U.K.

    There are only 3 routes out:
    - the train - closed
    - east to Kendal - but can't even get to Broughton because Duddon Bridge is closed
    - up the coast and across to the M6 somewhere near Penrith - also out because a bridge at Holmrook is closed.

    Rising water in the rivers rather than actual flooding seems to be the reason.

    In theory I could try driving over the fells and hope to get to the central lakes and out that way. But not sensible when there has been lots of rain and local floods and if you get stuck the sheep will do sod all to help.

    Not that I want to get out just yet. But have a theatre ticket in London on 8th November so just planning my escape route for then.

    The good news though is that some people are ignoring the closed roads signs and driving through anyway. The contempt people round here have for Cumbria County Council has to be seen to be believed.

    Perhaps the local council will finally do something about strengthening the bridges, an issue which people have complained about for some time.

    Climate change is a concern here. If sea levels rise, a lot of coastal communities round here will be underwater. Not where I am. But nearby and it will affect Sellafield and nuclear storage plans and the West Coast mainline.

    And, no, I am not going to tell you about my sex life.

    (I hope I've got the new PB posting style right.)

    Do you mean the Cumbrian coastline? The WCML goes inland through Penrith and over Shap Fell. If that floods then it’s more than Millom, Whitehaven and Sellafield will be flooded!
    Yes of course - silly me. I meant the coastal train service that goes to Sellafield and on up. A lovely journey but the whole thing is in a flood risk zone.
    Actually, if we get some serious sea level rise, the WCML north of Carlisle will be in trouble (but we won't care as Scotland will have gone independent by then):


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,830
    edited October 2021

    IanB2 said:

    The day after the budget traditionally belongs to the geeks, who have been up all night crunching all the numbers in the small print that the government would rather most people missed. And what the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the independent economics thinktank, had found wasn’t altogether encouraging for Brand Rishi.

    First up, there was no help for the unemployed, and middle-earners would face £3k in tax rises. Then there were rising energy prices, inflation and low growth with which to deal. Spending on education was almost nonexistent. Debt was still vast. Tax at its highest level since 1950s. Brexit more damaging to the economy than Covid.

    Voters endorse Rishi Sunak plans and back Chancellor's handling of the economy

    Boris & Rishi v Starmer & Rachel on managing the economy - 40%/25%

    http://news.sky.com/story/budget-2021-voters-endorse-rishi-sunaks-plans-and-back-chancellors-handling-of-economy-poll-12453567
    An impressive poll lead that may not see its way to the next election (unless that election is in early 2022).

    There is a bumpy ride ahead. What follows 5% or 6% inflation when we are expectant of less than 2% could be brutal. If inflation takes interest rates with it, Sunak better hope he's already been moved into another high office of state.
    I have been giving some thought to the general media commentary that all the budget benefits will be lost to high inflation in 2022, and have come to the conclusion that they are missing the point

    Rishi, or indeed any chancellor, would have been in far greater difficulty in 2022 if he had not increased he NLW by 6.6% and addressed the UC taper, as this increase will encourage further increases across industry and wages will rise across the board to mitigate inflation

    Furthermore, we may underestimate people's ability to adapt to circumstances, and with the substantial increase in energy costs people will adjust by wearing heavier clothes, base layers, overcoats and scarves as my wife and I did living in the NE of Scotland, and in my case in Berwick on Tweed, when on occasions the frost in the early morning was coated on the inside of our windows, we had no central heating, and hot water came only from the back boiler behind the coal fire in the lounge, which my Father lit early every morning. (Mid 1950s)

    As far as I am aware nobody has an answer to the inflation caused by the world coming out of covid but the idea that increasing wages adds to inflation is quite frankly not relevant as we attempt to balance the economy post covid

    I expect interest rates will rise by 1% or a little more to dampen inflation but this is nowhere near the 15% threatened all those years ago
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,656
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Z, disagree. I'd rather have privacy and quiet.

    Happily, I don't get ill very often.

    Mr. Cwsc, you need two teachers, though, whereas the number of doctors required would not change.

    Also, it's a while ago but some studies I read at university suggested smaller class sizes aren't necessarily much (or any) better. From fuzzy memory, discipline mattered more than class size (and the capacity to throw out the irredeemable).

    Yes, but the studies were completely wrong. It is a well-known mistake.

    What happened was, they looked at average class sizes in state schools and noted that the smaller they were, the worse the results were.

    They did not appreciate this was because your bottom set of nine pupils all with major behavioural problems and limited intelligence was underachieving *because* of the aforementioned issues, and was small becuase of the aforementioned issues, and lacked discipline because...you get the picture. Meanwhile bright, hardworking and self motivated children had to be put in larger classes to free up space on the timetable.

    I teach a top set of 32. I teach a bottom set of 16. Guess which one does better...

    But if all classes were cut in size substantially, it would help enormously. Another thing people who have never taught don't appreciate is how children feed off each other when it comes to causing disruption. If you have three badly behaved children in a class of 30 they will form a negative feedback loop where one kicks off as another is being dealt with. Much harder for them to do that if there are fewer in the group.
    Pedantry compels the observation that that's a positive feedback loop
    Clearly you've never been a teacher :smiley:
    Positive does not mean good

    Positive feedback = going faster makes you go faster (like a supercharger)

    Superchargers run out of both volumetric and adiabatic efficiency before you get anywhere near the rpm limit of the engine.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    I saw a service sheet where the word “burning” in a hymn had been replaced with “buming”. The person responsible had to spend an hour before the service correcting each one by hand…
    I bet they started by saying, 'oh bugger.'
    yeah burning (usually people in hell in a hymm setting) is a lot more socially acceptable than buming isn't it!
    In this case I think it was a bush…
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,749
    edited October 2021
    Cyclefree said:

    I am now cut off from the rest of Cumbria let alone the rest of the U.K.

    There are only 3 routes out:
    - the train - closed
    - east to Kendal - but can't even get to Broughton because Duddon Bridge is closed
    - up the coast and across to the M6 somewhere near Penrith - also out because a bridge at Holmrook is closed.

    Rising water in the rivers rather than actual flooding seems to be the reason.

    In theory I could try driving over the fells and hope to get to the central lakes and out that way. But not sensible when there has been lots of rain and local floods and if you get stuck the sheep will do sod all to help.

    Not that I want to get out just yet. But have a theatre ticket in London on 8th November so just planning my escape route for then.

    The good news though is that some people are ignoring the closed roads signs and driving through anyway. The contempt people round here have for Cumbria County Council has to be seen to be believed.

    Perhaps the local council will finally do something about strengthening the bridges, an issue which people have complained about for some time.

    Climate change is a concern here. If sea levels rise, a lot of coastal communities round here will be underwater. Not where I am. But nearby and it will affect Sellafield and nuclear storage plans and the West Coast mainline.

    And, no, I am not going to tell you about my sex life.

    (I hope I've got the new PB posting style right.)

    I have a friend with a microlight near Lancaster...

    If it's properly flooded you need a Canoodian Canay (c Dr Spooner).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    Here's a nice example of the media (in this case the Guardian) really not helping with its coverage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/29/streamings-dirty-secret-how-viewing-netflix-top-10-creates-vast-quantity-of-co2

    There's a lot wrong with this - the aggregation, the comparisons that try to increase context but simply confuse more, etc - but the worst thing is quite simple.

    It's all about electricity use and decarbonising electricity supply is the easiest task in decarbonising the economy. We have mature zero carbon sources of electricity that are now price-competitive with fossil fuels. This is a problem now in the implementation phase of its solution, and then it's irrelevant what the electricity is used to do.

    There are other, more intractable problems, such as concrete, where public attention should be concentrated. Worrying about streaming is actively harmful in making that problem seem larger and more personal than it is and in distracting from the important issues.

    No-one needs to worry about the contribution watching Squid Games makes to global warming. As responsible reporting goes it's probably worse than the staple Daily Mail articles on carcinogens.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,432
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    Two things:

    1. Listening to Radio 4 on conversion therapy. One of the campaigners for ban conversion is now calling for a ban on “Hate prayer”. Where does that stop then? If I say I believe Jesus is the Som of God, does that make me guilty of ‘hate prayer’ for saying something that offends another.

    2. Betting tip

    Fox has Youngkin up by 8 in the Virginia Governor’s race and certainly the mood music coming through is that McAuliffe is in trouble. Also, the most votes cast so far have been in the district covering Loudoun County, suggesting the schools issue is cutting through. Yet, on smartest, Youngkin is still at less than 40%. DYOR

    Saying he is the son of God is Ok but the Som of God is highly offensive
    Sodom of God would be worse.

    That said, there is a hymn that famously contains this verse.

    'The foxes found rest and the birds their nest
    In the shade of the cedar tree.
    But thy couch was the sod, o thou Son of God
    In the deserts of Galilee.'

    Strangely, that verse is modified in most modern hymn books.
    I saw a service sheet where the word “burning” in a hymn had been replaced with “buming”. The person responsible had to spend an hour before the service correcting each one by hand…
    I bet they started by saying, 'oh bugger.'
    Like Unlucky Alf on the Fast Show.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,749
    On politicians earning loadsamoney, does anyone know how much Rosneft paid Herr Schroeder?

    Not sure where to look that up.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    MattW said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am now cut off from the rest of Cumbria let alone the rest of the U.K.

    There are only 3 routes out:
    - the train - closed
    - east to Kendal - but can't even get to Broughton because Duddon Bridge is closed
    - up the coast and across to the M6 somewhere near Penrith - also out because a bridge at Holmrook is closed.

    Rising water in the rivers rather than actual flooding seems to be the reason.

    In theory I could try driving over the fells and hope to get to the central lakes and out that way. But not sensible when there has been lots of rain and local floods and if you get stuck the sheep will do sod all to help.

    Not that I want to get out just yet. But have a theatre ticket in London on 8th November so just planning my escape route for then.

    The good news though is that some people are ignoring the closed roads signs and driving through anyway. The contempt people round here have for Cumbria County Council has to be seen to be believed.

    Perhaps the local council will finally do something about strengthening the bridges, an issue which people have complained about for some time.

    Climate change is a concern here. If sea levels rise, a lot of coastal communities round here will be underwater. Not where I am. But nearby and it will affect Sellafield and nuclear storage plans and the West Coast mainline.

    And, no, I am not going to tell you about my sex life.

    (I hope I've got the new PB posting style right.)

    I have a friend with a microlight near Lancaster...

    If it's properly flooded you need a Canoodian Canay (c Dr Spooner).
    That rather assumes that the micro is fully fitted for IFR in all weather conditions, doesn't it?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    They shouldn't be. Hospitalisations are dead boring, and much more interesting with 7 conversations to listen in on.
    Until the person in the next bed dies.
  • IanB2 said:

    The day after the budget traditionally belongs to the geeks, who have been up all night crunching all the numbers in the small print that the government would rather most people missed. And what the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the independent economics thinktank, had found wasn’t altogether encouraging for Brand Rishi.

    First up, there was no help for the unemployed, and middle-earners would face £3k in tax rises. Then there were rising energy prices, inflation and low growth with which to deal. Spending on education was almost nonexistent. Debt was still vast. Tax at its highest level since 1950s. Brexit more damaging to the economy than Covid.

    Voters endorse Rishi Sunak plans and back Chancellor's handling of the economy

    Boris & Rishi v Starmer & Rachel on managing the economy - 40%/25%

    http://news.sky.com/story/budget-2021-voters-endorse-rishi-sunaks-plans-and-back-chancellors-handling-of-economy-poll-12453567
    An impressive poll lead that may not see its way to the next election (unless that election is in early 2022).

    There is a bumpy ride ahead. What follows 5% or 6% inflation when we are expectant of less than 2% could be brutal. If inflation takes interest rates with it, Sunak better hope he's already been moved into another high office of state.
    I have been giving some thought to the general media commentary that all the budget benefits will be lost to high inflation in 2022, and have come to the conclusion that they are missing the point

    Rishi, or indeed any chancellor, would have been in far greater difficulty in 2022 if he had not increased he NLW by 6.6% and addressed the UC taper, as this increase will encourage further increases across industry and wages will rise across the board to mitigate inflation

    Furthermore, we may underestimate people's ability to adapt to circumstances, and with the substantial increase in energy costs people will adjust by wearing heavier clothes, base layers, overcoats and scarves as my wife and I did living in the NE of Scotland, and in my case in Berwick on Tweed, when on occasions the frost in the early morning was coated on the inside of our windows, we had no central heating, and hot water came only from the back boiler behind the coal fire in the lounge, which my Father lit early every morning. (Mid 1950s)

    As far as I am aware nobody has an answer to the inflation caused by the world coming out of covid but the idea that increasing wages adds to inflation is quite frankly not relevant as we attempt to balance the economy post covid

    I expect interest rates will rise by 1% or a little more to dampen inflation but this is nowhere near the 15% threatened all those years ago
    Once the inflation train gets going it is hard to stop. If the interest rates go much more than 1%, get ready Rishy Washy. Not the virus that has caused the crisis but the government policy in response. That will get looked at more when the loan interest rates rise on homes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Dr. Foxy, why aren't single bed rooms standard here?

    Why aren't class sizes of 15 standard?

    Same reason.

    Incidentally what @DavidL says about the NHS could apply to many other parts of the public sector. Education, local government, transport. And when money is spent to correct it a way is usually found to thwart it (Exhibit A - the eastern leg of HS2). The phrase 'false economy' doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of these people.
    This is true of much big organisation (not just government spending). It's all about the vested interests...

    A perfect example of this is the SLS space launch system in the US.

    Which is an interesting one, since it exists in a world where a lunatic nerd decided that he would spend his money on building space launch systems, by..... spending his money on space launch systems.

    Instead of "investing in infrastructure", "protecting existing capabilities" and another mile of guff of political/finance nostrums.

    Imagine an education system run on the basis of

    - Educate children
    - that's it really

    Ah, the Senate Launch System, that couldn’t get approval unless the contractors spent the money across all 48 contiguous States.

    Guess who sent astronauts up to the ISS for a few hundred million dollars of private investment, and who’s still trying to get them off the ground having spent close to $25bn of public money?
    Haven't you heard the news? They are planning to privatise the SLS. Which will cause Boeing to magically cut the cost, because reasons.

    So each launch will only cost 1 billion dollars. Instead of 2. Complete with the new version of a reusable rocket engine, which is to be thrown away. For $150 million each.

    Meanwhile a loony in a Texas swamp is building a factory to build comparable rocket engines for $250,000 each, reducing from their current price of $2.5 million dollars each.....
    Of the many mad decisions made by SLS, having almost nothing re-usable, including four ex-Shuttle RS-25s on each launch, is probably the worst. They won’t be able to launch more than half a dozen times, before they need to start making new versions of a 40 year old design.

    Meanwhile SpaceX are flying Falcon 9s half a dozen times each, with very little refurbishment required to turn them around. The latest unmanned Starlink launches don’t even get mentioned on here any more, they’re utterly routine now.
    SpaceX are so far ahead of the Senate Launch System that it seems almost impossible for it to become a competition again. It would require a total root and branch reform of the latter and many years of investment to catch up.

    This Earth to Earth solution has to be one of the most mental ideas imagined, London to Dubai in 29 minutes and England to Australia in under an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqE-ultsWt0

    If it were anyone else I'd think there's never a chance of that happening, but with SpaceX it certainly seems like it could possible in the future. I do hope they're working on it, but I suppose all the reuseable and reliable launchers must make it more feasible.
    That’s going to be technically possible within a decade, the challenges will be reliability, scheduling and pricing - oh, and planning permission for something that will shake windows with a sonic boom as it takes off and lands. Maybe the Amercians won’t care as much as they did with Concorde, as it’s an American project this time?

    Speaking of Concorde, they will need to make very sure they never crash one, because it will kill the demand overnight. We forget how much safer commercial flight has become over the last half a century.
    The American issue with sonic booms was that they did a scientific study on a couple of actuals cities.

    And discovered that 40% of the population would never adapt to sonic booms, and that they would use that to prioritise their vote.

    So, in political terms, if you allowed supersonic overflight, your opponents could win *any* election by being anti. Which is why it got banned.

    It is noticeable that the only countries that allowed supersonic overflight are characterised by large deserts inhabited by people the government didn't care about.
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