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  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    And yes please no spoilers on Squid Game, am on episode 6
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824

    I think this week we are at a political crossroads.

    Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.

    The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.

    Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.

    Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...


    Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?

    Of course, the question I posed earlier still arises.
    What about when those who work for the government demand higher wages?
    And who are the people who will do the training?
    Yet to see either answered.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,288

    If I remember correctly, in one of the books Holmes states that his critical faculties are enhanced if he des not eat whilst on a case.

    As for opium addiction: my *impression* from the books - and Dr Watson's comments - that opium was present in his life far too much at times.
    Also the ‘seven percent solution’ * of cocaine - which Watson oddly refers to as ‘his only vice’.

    *The title of a strange seventies movie with the great Nicol Williamson as Holmes.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    kinabalu said:

    He'd be a great loss - as in great to lose. Cons very welcome.
    Good stuff. We'll take him. Maybe we can send you Dominic Grieve in return? *

    * non an MP I know but would seem fairly comfortable in a SKS-led party
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,848

    The key to these series is that the "whodunit?" is secondary to the characterisation of the detectives and their interactions.

    Agreed: see Morse, Wimsey, and even ... Barnaby.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    If there is one thing more pathetic than northern parochial rivalries, it’s people embellishing and overstating northern parochial rivalries.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    dixiedean said:

    Of course, the question I posed earlier still arises.
    What about when those who work for the government demand higher wages?
    And who are the people who will do the training?
    Yet to see either answered.
    1 Performance / output related
    2 We have thousands of redundant experts
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    MrEd said:

    Well. GM Is far more than Salford and North Manchester.

    It may not be a big issue but it's a big Man-U supporting area and they generally don't like Liverpool.
    Get a life.

    (And FWIW Burnham is an Evertonian)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824
    edited October 2021
    For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!!
    He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York.
    He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land.
    His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    I think this week we are at a political crossroads.

    Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.

    The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.

    Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.

    Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...


    Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?

    He’s right, I think that’s what we voted for and it keeps Brexit voters onside.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Agreed: see Morse, Wimsey, and even ... Barnaby.
    I wanted to call our second son Barnaby… everyone took the piss so I stepped back. I think it’s cute - Barney. And the Midsomer angle is good too
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    dixiedean said:

    For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!!
    He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York.
    He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land.
    His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.

    "Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!!
    He was born in Liverpool"

    LOL!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,322
    edited October 2021

    The key to these series is that the "whodunit?" is secondary to the characterisation of the detectives and their interactions.

    Thank god for that because I never know what is going on. For a start all characters should be made to walk around with name tags on them and they should all look very different because I get very confused. Colour coding would help me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,709
    Yeh Gods, I had forgotten about this one:


    Undercover police to patrol bars and clubs under plans to help protect women in wake of Sarah Everard’s death
    Plain clothes officers will seek to actively identify predatory and suspicious offenders in the night time economy.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/undercover-police-nightclubs-bars-protect-women-sarah-everard-b924306.html
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,100
    edited October 2021
    Leon said:

    TBH I think that Tony Blair's chances of leading the Labour Party back to power have taken a bit of a knock, here
    He's got as much chance of that as Maggie coming back for another spell in No 10.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,779

    I think this week we are at a political crossroads.

    Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.

    The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.

    Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.

    Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...


    Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?

    We've debated in a serious way on here about whether labour constraints will actually lead to higher wages. But for Johnson it's just a story, so he can turn something that is rightly perceived by the public as bad - shortages - into something that he can say is necessarily good and part of his master plan. But if there weren't the shortages he wouldn't have come up with this story.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063
    RobD said:
    Why do people continue to try to troll the Tory conference? Stuff like that or hanging banners to tell them to get out, it just gives the Tories a chance to talk about showing respect to opponents, and creates awkward questions for those trying to oppose the Tories.

    It's classic performative politics which makes someone feel better but hurts their cause.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824
    edited October 2021

    "Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!!
    He was born in Liverpool"

    LOL!
    On that logic Jesus was a horse.
  • kle4 said:

    Why do people continue to try to troll the Tory conference? Stuff like that or hanging banners to tell them to get out, it just gives the Tories a chance to talk about showing respect to opponents, and creates awkward questions for those trying to oppose the Tories.

    It's classic performative politics which makes someone feel better but hurts their cause.
    Because they're thick as two short planks.

    Its why they have the politics that they have too.
  • dixiedean said:


    Folk have been trying to measure publi

    On that logic Jesus was a horse.
    More believable than that immaculate conception story.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824
    FF43 said:

    We've debated in a serious way on here about whether labour constraints will actually lead to higher wages. But for Johnson it's just a story, so he can turn something that is rightly perceived by the public as bad - shortages - into something that he can say is necessarily good and part of his master plan. But if there weren't the shortages he wouldn't have come up with this story.
    Indeed. And of course it is a potential Brexit Dividend he can point to.
    Which was bound to happen, since there were potential upsides numbering in the hundreds that various people have predicted over the years.
    There was a good chance one of them would actually occur.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,923

    "Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!!
    He was born in Liverpool"

    LOL!
    Very hard to know I admit.
    I was born in Wallasey, lived there till I was 33. Moved to Crosby.
    Worked twenty years in the city centre. Am I a Scouser (I think of myself as one and certainly during University I got the 'Scouser' joke daily, but who knows.....)?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    dixiedean said:

    Indeed. And of course it is a potential Brexit Dividend he can point to.
    Which was bound to happen, since there were potential upsides numbering in the hundreds that various people have predicted over the years.
    There was a good chance one of them would actually occur.
    I think Stuart Rose was an early proponent of increased cost fron increasex wages post Brexit.
    Probably the best day campaigning Leave had.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824
    edited October 2021

    Very hard to know I admit.
    I was born in Wallasey, lived there till I was 33. Moved to Crosby.
    Worked twenty years in the city centre. Am I a Scouser (I think of myself as one and certainly during University I got the 'Scouser' joke daily, but who knows.....)?
    Damned sight more of one than Burnham. He doesn’t even sound close to one.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,923
    Question this late Sunday night.
    Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak?
    I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,288

    Question this late Sunday night.
    Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak?
    I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....

    Usually they manage to keep a veil over it. Perhaps you’d prefer the media to ignore it all ?

    This guy has, I think, an election next week.
    Not the ideal run up to it:
    https://twitter.com/Ian_Willoughby/status/1444713460365922308
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063

    Question this late Sunday night.
    Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak?
    I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....

    Well, even so such things are still newsworthy once known, but at a glance the initial story isn't really setting my outrage radars off for something too dramatic.
  • Question this late Sunday night.
    Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak?
    I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....

    It’s a Guardian/Panorama exclusive in the UK I think, so they are trying to get their money’s worth.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,290

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    Your Morris Minor Traveller will need a service every 3000 miles too, so more work for the local mechanic, and the local carpenter.
    Servicing a Minor should take 15 minutes and cost about £20. On modern oils, and optical pickup dizzy you're good for about 10k mile intervals anyway.

    (I've a 2 door moggy with a 1.9 Peugeot Xud9 half fitted to it. If it ever gets finished, it's going to be the ultimate commuting car - fast, interesting, comfortable, and insanely cheap to run).
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,562
    Scott_xP said:

    A police officer from the Met police’s Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command has been arrested and charged with rape

    46 y/o Metropolitan Police officer David Carrick, will appear via video link at Hatfield Magistrates' Court tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/ZoraSuleman/status/1444756141330817024

    At this rate diplomats are going to have to be asking bus drivers for protection.
    kle4 said:

    I like Cumberbatch, but there's something about his performances where I feel I can always tell it is him acting, if that makes any sense. Like, I loved his Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness, and other performances, but it was very much 'Cumberbatch doing X'.

    On Knightley, I only know two people with really strong opinions on her, both women, and both dislike her with almost the same mention of teeth as you, weird.
    That's exactly what I mean about Cumberbatch. I can see him acting. Whereas with really good actors they are the character. You don't notice how they do it.

    I find it hard to get past Keira's teeth. And she is far too thin. Positively anorexic. When I see her on screen I keep wondering why someone with all those teeth can't apparently manage to eat a square meal. Very unkind of me I'm sure.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,562
    rcs1000 said:

    I think it was the whole "Get Dick Out!" that caused the problem in the first place.
    That really needs to be said in the voice of Dick Emery.
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