Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
John Wood. Brett was too hammy.
Brett was brilliant as Holmes - the 'hammy' aspect seemed to match the books IMO. Holmes always seemed to have a sense of the theatric.
I do wonder if Brett's bipolar disorder and other tragic malaises gave his performances a very Holmesian aspect as well. The Holmes of the books was frequently not a very well man - although most of his malaises were of his own making - starving himself, not caring for himself, opium addictions etc.
But none of that happens. Starving himself would be Mrs Hudson falling down on the job, he takes cocaine and morphine when bored but is not an addict - he is only pretending to be one when W finds him in an opium den.
He did voluntarily inflict ‘the Devils Foot’ Fumes on himself As part,of trying to solve that case. The consequences could have been dire
I had completely forgotten that story. Not one of his best.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
John Wood. Brett was too hammy.
Brett was brilliant as Holmes - the 'hammy' aspect seemed to match the books IMO. Holmes always seemed to have a sense of the theatric.
I do wonder if Brett's bipolar disorder and other tragic malaises gave his performances a very Holmesian aspect as well. The Holmes of the books was frequently not a very well man - although most of his malaises were of his own making - starving himself, not caring for himself, opium addictions etc.
But none of that happens. Starving himself would be Mrs Hudson falling down on the job, he takes cocaine and morphine when bored but is not an addict - he is only pretending to be one when W finds him in an opium den.
If I remember correctly, in one of the books Holmes states that his critical faculties are enhanced if he des not eat whilst on a case.
As for opium addiction: my *impression* from the books - and Dr Watson's comments - that opium was present in his life far too much at times.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
John Wood. Brett was too hammy.
Brett was brilliant as Holmes - the 'hammy' aspect seemed to match the books IMO. Holmes always seemed to have a sense of the theatric.
I do wonder if Brett's bipolar disorder and other tragic malaises gave his performances a very Holmesian aspect as well. The Holmes of the books was frequently not a very well man - although most of his malaises were of his own making - starving himself, not caring for himself, opium addictions etc.
But none of that happens. Starving himself would be Mrs Hudson falling down on the job, he takes cocaine and morphine when bored but is not an addict - he is only pretending to be one when W finds him in an opium den.
He did voluntarily inflict ‘the Devils Foot’ Fumes on himself As part,of trying to solve that case. The consequences could have been dire
I had completely forgotten that story. Not one of his best.
Well he lets a murderer get away with his crime.......
On topic, I haven't scrolled through the comments yet but one good bet might be Graham Stringer - obviously pro-Brexit, not a natural fit generally for the increasingly woke Labour party, sits for a seat that is pro-Brexit (and where the neighbouring Heywood and Middleton went Tory). Not sure his relationship with Burnham but I haven't seen anything that suggests they are close.
Also - of an age where he's unlikely to run again.
Would be a big coup for the Conservatives as well - he is not a nobody, he is an ex-leader of Manchester City Council, still commands a lot of respect in the constituency / City and is well known through Greater Manchester. He is the sort of defection that could have a ripple effect in neighbouring constituencies.
A significant Jewish community in his constituency.
Fantastic call from Mr Ed and yourself. So 1 down 2 to go.
Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
He can't though.
The moment he becomes an MP he ceases to be Mayor of Manchester.
It is the law.
Why is it different from South Yorkshire Mayor? Dan Jarvis is that and an MP.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
I love Jeremy Brett’s Holmes, they are go to’s on my Sky Q
Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
He can't though.
The moment he becomes an MP he ceases to be Mayor of Manchester.
It is the law.
Why is it different from South Yorkshire Mayor? Dan Jarvis is that and an MP.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
John Wood. Brett was too hammy.
Brett was brilliant as Holmes - the 'hammy' aspect seemed to match the books IMO. Holmes always seemed to have a sense of the theatric.
I do wonder if Brett's bipolar disorder and other tragic malaises gave his performances a very Holmesian aspect as well. The Holmes of the books was frequently not a very well man - although most of his malaises were of his own making - starving himself, not caring for himself, opium addictions etc.
The point of Holmes portrayal, not just in performance, but the writing, is not to shatter the perception of a genius in whom scientific curiosity is raised to the status of a heroic passion. If in writing for Holmes or acting him you to try to bring out and show other sides of him, it’s nots going to work, because it won’t be Holmes.
I disagree. 'Scientific curiosity' is just one aspect of the Holmes of the books: he is a much deeper character than that. As for the theatrics: all the disguises he uses.
I'd actually say your statement fits Mycroft better.
I could say citation needed for the depth. Instead I will compromise. If we can agree, Holmes can’t function in his chosen mode of professionalism if he gives emotion a stronghold?
Yes. In that way, he's a bit like some techies I've known. Particularly where members of the opposite sex are involved...
But yes, I think that Holmes is a very multi-dimensional character - and that is what maintains the reader's interest. Mycroft is much more one-dimensional.
The great thing about this conversation is the way we can all read the same books, and come up with very different views on the main character. That's a wonder of literature that is frequently lost when transferred to the screen.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.
Any chance of a thread header?
Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
Is that all you got Izzy, a wrongly spun story of polling, each time someone is trying to explain to you how the rudderless Tories are losing the debate?
The true story of the polling is how it is relentlessly and irresistibly closing, the Tory’s fading, the Labour vote firming up, with plenty more time to go yet.
Tick tock. 😄
That next exit poll is going to break you......
I seem to recall someone else repeatedly writing "tick tock" in the past. Remind me how that went? 🤔
It doesn’t matter how you tick tock, but the climate you tick tock in.
If Labour keep up the dialogue with lost red wall voters they started last week, it’s going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
If the Torys continue what they have started this week, clueless about how they take forward all the issues the Government own, it is going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
You think polling is very very bad for Labour? They only have to have a 2% lead in that exit poll and it will be very interesting.
Anyway, I’m talking about a sea change narrative that’s clearly going on, which the polling trend is actually supporting.
But Tories knew this was coming eventually, that you couldn’t ride the raft for ever?
Ex Tory bur what sea change? A sea change would be a mid-term 20 point poll lead. Not a mid-term poll deficit.
That’s where you are deluded. Labour can easily go from here to a 2 point lead in that exit poll.
The governments that tend to get swingback tend to be competent.
And as OGH keeps saying over and over to you without you listening, a particular and historically unique set of circumstances - lack of trust in Labour and dislike for its leader - created the 2019 result.
Why did they get there worst ever vote shares in the Hartlepool, Chesham & Amersham, and Batley & Spen by elections?
Question for our IT experts. I have had a message from Microsoft about Windows 11. Is my PC compatible? I ticked the box and it said yes apart from TPM 2.0. Should I update or not?
I will probably become persona non grata given what I am about to write. But I don't think I've ever seen a James Bond film all the way through.
Also why did Daniel Craig wear that strawberry pink velvet jacket at the premiere? He looked ridiculous - like James Bond channelling his inner Liberace. Dearie me.
On other topics, I was good at maths at school. Had a brilliant teacher. And am mildly dyspraxic - always bumping into things and falling over and breaking stuff when I try to open the simplest object. As a result I always have bruises in the strangest places. Should I ever die in suspicious circumstances my poor gentle husband will probably end up accused of some sort of strange acts of domestic violence when in fact it is the furniture in my home which is waging a - so far entirely successful - guerilla war on me.
Question for our IT experts. I have had a message from Microsoft about Windows 11. Is my PC compatible? I ticked the box and it said yes apart from TPM 2.0. Should I update or not?
Off topic. Some horrible reports about a 15 year old who has died from Covid before getting her jab. Raises the question - did they JCVI kill Jorja?
If she's already dead then she had it well before the JCVI decision could have gone the other way, so even leaving the ridiculous premise of your question untouched, the answer is no.
She died this week I think. The jcvi could have authorised use months ago, but didn’t.
Equally there will have been avoidable deaths in the over 80s cohort who had their second dose more than 6 months ago, thanks to the dillydallying approach to approving boosters.
My wife and I have ours on 11 October
My wife and I are 66. We had our second jabs 11 April, we have our boosters booked for 11 October so 6 months exactly. So no dillydallying I think?
My wife and I had our second Pfizer vaccinations in February
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
I love Jeremy Brett’s Holmes, they are go to’s on my Sky Q
Jeremy Brett is certainly by far the most authentic of the great Sherlocks. Basil Rathbone is perhaps the most amusing, and Nigel Bruce was a brilliant comic foil for him. And Benedict Cumberbatch was a good modern portrayal, though let down by some weird scripts.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
Does anyone know what "political message" was scrawled on Tulip Siddiq's vandalised car? I need to know whether it was my side or the other side before I condemn/ignore it. Thanks.
Yes, the news was very coy about the content
If it had been basic racism surely they would have said, and it would be bigger news?
Was it internal Labour slanging? I don't know what side she is on, within the party. Or something to do with trans/LGB issues - she has asked questions in the House about "conversion therapy" -
Seattle Mariners versus Los Angeles Angles for American League West title, game just started 12.10pm (PST).
Significance: IF Mariners win this game and IF (based on series of calculations that would muddle Sir Isaac Newton) the NY Yankee or Boston Red Sox lose THEIR games today (now playing) THEN Seattle has the chance of winning a tie-breaker to be eligible for the wild card game to make it into the Major League Baseball playoffs.
Benedict Cumberbatch was the best Sherlock Holmes.
Johnny Lee Miller a close second.
Apart from Jeremy Brett.
One always got the impression that Brett knew about the kind of drug use that Holmes was partial to. It may have been outstanding acting, I don't know.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
I am still dubious about the story.
However, the silhouette on Guido indicates 2 males and a female but then who knows
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
Well, the last sentence does at least demonstrate you have excellent taste in TV.
..and Joan Hickson was no Margaret Rutherford.
Hickson easily was the definitive Marple, honourable mention goes to Julia Mckenzie, Geraldine McEwan was ill-served by script writers and Margaret Rutherford just replayed Madame Arcati…
Margaret Rutherford definitely had the best theme tune. It's echoing round my head as I type, which is a blessed relief because yesterday my brain was in thrall to Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear.
Benedict Cumberbatch was the best Sherlock Holmes.
Johnny Lee Miller a close second.
Apart from Jeremy Brett.
One always got the impression that Brett knew about the kind of drug use that Holmes was partial to. It may have been outstanding acting, I don't know.
Brett was bipolar, and very ill mid-series onwards.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.
Any chance of a thread header?
Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
Is that all you got Izzy, a wrongly spun story of polling, each time someone is trying to explain to you how the rudderless Tories are losing the debate?
The true story of the polling is how it is relentlessly and irresistibly closing, the Tory’s fading, the Labour vote firming up, with plenty more time to go yet.
Tick tock. 😄
That next exit poll is going to break you......
I seem to recall someone else repeatedly writing "tick tock" in the past. Remind me how that went? 🤔
It doesn’t matter how you tick tock, but the climate you tick tock in.
If Labour keep up the dialogue with lost red wall voters they started last week, it’s going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
If the Torys continue what they have started this week, clueless about how they take forward all the issues the Government own, it is going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
You think polling is very very bad for Labour? They only have to have a 2% lead in that exit poll and it will be very interesting.
Anyway, I’m talking about a sea change narrative that’s clearly going on, which the polling trend is actually supporting.
But Tories knew this was coming eventually, that you couldn’t ride the raft for ever?
Ex Tory bur what sea change? A sea change would be a mid-term 20 point poll lead. Not a mid-term poll deficit.
That’s where you are deluded. Labour can easily go from here to a 2 point lead in that exit poll.
The governments that tend to get swingback tend to be competent.
And as OGH keeps saying over and over to you without you listening, a particular and historically unique set of circumstances - lack of trust in Labour and dislike for its leader - created the 2019 result.
Why did they get there worst ever vote shares in the Hartlepool, Chesham & Amersham, and Batley & Spen by elections?
Oh Isam, You want to talk about last weeks indicators, I’m talking about the ones to watch in the coming months. I’ll spell it out.
The signs we should be looking for change of narrative are 1) Starmer’s Favourbility rating for PM and 2) signs of increasing numbers of Leave voters saying they will vote Labour. In that sense Labour had a successful conference, the strategy is perfect to relentlessly look to improve these two indicators in the months and years ahead.
Another element of the sea change is how incompetent and lost the government increasingly reveals itself to be. They still feel they can dine out on promises and expressing intentions, not real policy. Take messaging on the shortages for example, they point to shortages in US and Europe and around the world. If true that merely means governments in other countries could be hurt by this too - but if it’s not true the shelves are bare and petrol stations dry across US and EU, so it’s merely Tory government taking the piss out of the electorate, how exactly do you think this gaslighting is going down this week?
Yes, I will concede to you, on the indicators you point to, you are right, I don’t have any doubt in my mind if the election comes next spring, the Conservatives will get a comfortable majority. The longer this sea change goes on though…
Question for our IT experts. I have had a message from Microsoft about Windows 11. Is my PC compatible? I ticked the box and it said yes apart from TPM 2.0. Should I update or not?
I’d wait a while, until us geeks IT experts have spent the next few months screaming at Microsoft, about all the bugs in both W11 and the “upgrade” process.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
I am still dubious about the story.
However, the silhouette on Guido indicates 2 males and a female but then who knows
I will only believe it if it happens
I agree with you Big G. A couple of weeks ago Streeter was standing for leader, and now this. Merely points to the fact dirty tricks units, both Tory and Corbynite looking to blow Labours messaging off course.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.
Any chance of a thread header?
Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
Is that all you got Izzy, a wrongly spun story of polling, each time someone is trying to explain to you how the rudderless Tories are losing the debate?
The true story of the polling is how it is relentlessly and irresistibly closing, the Tory’s fading, the Labour vote firming up, with plenty more time to go yet.
Tick tock. 😄
That next exit poll is going to break you......
I seem to recall someone else repeatedly writing "tick tock" in the past. Remind me how that went? 🤔
It doesn’t matter how you tick tock, but the climate you tick tock in.
If Labour keep up the dialogue with lost red wall voters they started last week, it’s going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
If the Torys continue what they have started this week, clueless about how they take forward all the issues the Government own, it is going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
You think polling is very very bad for Labour? They only have to have a 2% lead in that exit poll and it will be very interesting.
Anyway, I’m talking about a sea change narrative that’s clearly going on, which the polling trend is actually supporting.
But Tories knew this was coming eventually, that you couldn’t ride the raft for ever?
Ex Tory bur what sea change? A sea change would be a mid-term 20 point poll lead. Not a mid-term poll deficit.
That’s where you are deluded. Labour can easily go from here to a 2 point lead in that exit poll.
The governments that tend to get swingback tend to be competent.
And as OGH keeps saying over and over to you without you listening, a particular and historically unique set of circumstances - lack of trust in Labour and dislike for its leader - created the 2019 result.
Why did they get there worst ever vote shares in the Hartlepool, Chesham & Amersham, and Batley & Spen by elections?
Oh Isam, You want to talk about last weeks indicators, I’m talking about the ones to watch in the coming months. I’ll spell it out.
The signs we should be looking for change of narrative are 1) Starmer’s Favourbility rating for PM and 2) signs of increasing numbers of Leave voters saying they will vote Labour. In that sense Labour had a successful conference, the strategy is perfect to relentlessly look to improve these two indicators in the months and years ahead.
Another element of the sea change is how incompetent and lost the government increasingly reveals itself to be. They still feel they can dine out on promises and expressing intentions, not real policy. Take messaging on the shortages for example, they point to shortages in US and Europe and around the world. If true that merely means governments in other countries could be hurt by this too - but if it’s not true the shelves are bare and petrol stations dry across US and EU, so it’s merely Tory government taking the piss out of the electorate, how exactly do you think this gaslighting is going down this week?
Yes, I will concede to you, on the indicators you point to, you are right, I don’t have any doubt in my mind if the election comes next spring, the Conservatives will get a comfortable majority. The longer this sea change goes on though…
There is a worldwide energy price crisis and also a supply one with shortages across the world
Petrol stations are not dry for most of the country and we have had our weekly Asda delivery every week with no missing items and the store seems well stocked
Off topic. Some horrible reports about a 15 year old who has died from Covid before getting her jab. Raises the question - did they JCVI kill Jorja?
If she's already dead then she had it well before the JCVI decision could have gone the other way, so even leaving the ridiculous premise of your question untouched, the answer is no.
She died this week I think. The jcvi could have authorised use months ago, but didn’t.
Equally there will have been avoidable deaths in the over 80s cohort who had their second dose more than 6 months ago, thanks to the dillydallying approach to approving boosters.
My wife and I have ours on 11 October
My wife and I are 66. We had our second jabs 11 April, we have our boosters booked for 11 October so 6 months exactly. So no dillydallying I think?
My wife and I had our second Pfizer vaccinations in February
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
I love Jeremy Brett’s Holmes, they are go to’s on my Sky Q
In addition to Brett's amazing performances and superb scripts, esp. in best episodes on both counts, I really really like BOTH actors who play Dr. Watson.
Rather like the Patty Duke show: two very similar yet quite different personalities and performances, both harmonizing equally and strengthening the whole.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
Well, the last sentence does at least demonstrate you have excellent taste in TV.
..and Joan Hickson was no Margaret Rutherford.
Hickson easily was the definitive Marple, honourable mention goes to Julia Mckenzie, Geraldine McEwan was ill-served by script writers and Margaret Rutherford just replayed Madame Arcati…
Margaret Rutherford definitely had the best theme tune. It's echoing round my head as I type, which is a blessed relief because yesterday my brain was in thrall to Simon Smith And His Amazing Dancing Bear.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.
Any chance of a thread header?
Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
Is that all you got Izzy, a wrongly spun story of polling, each time someone is trying to explain to you how the rudderless Tories are losing the debate?
The true story of the polling is how it is relentlessly and irresistibly closing, the Tory’s fading, the Labour vote firming up, with plenty more time to go yet.
Tick tock. 😄
That next exit poll is going to break you......
I seem to recall someone else repeatedly writing "tick tock" in the past. Remind me how that went? 🤔
It doesn’t matter how you tick tock, but the climate you tick tock in.
If Labour keep up the dialogue with lost red wall voters they started last week, it’s going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
If the Torys continue what they have started this week, clueless about how they take forward all the issues the Government own, it is going to make the next exit poll very interesting.
You think polling is very very bad for Labour? They only have to have a 2% lead in that exit poll and it will be very interesting.
Anyway, I’m talking about a sea change narrative that’s clearly going on, which the polling trend is actually supporting.
But Tories knew this was coming eventually, that you couldn’t ride the raft for ever?
Ex Tory bur what sea change? A sea change would be a mid-term 20 point poll lead. Not a mid-term poll deficit.
That’s where you are deluded. Labour can easily go from here to a 2 point lead in that exit poll.
The governments that tend to get swingback tend to be competent.
And as OGH keeps saying over and over to you without you listening, a particular and historically unique set of circumstances - lack of trust in Labour and dislike for its leader - created the 2019 result.
Why did they get there worst ever vote shares in the Hartlepool, Chesham & Amersham, and Batley & Spen by elections?
Oh Isam, You want to talk about last weeks indicators, I’m talking about the ones to watch in the coming months. I’ll spell it out.
The signs we should be looking for change of narrative are 1) Starmer’s Favourbility rating for PM and 2) signs of increasing numbers of Leave voters saying they will vote Labour. In that sense Labour had a successful conference, the strategy is perfect to relentlessly look to improve these two indicators in the months and years ahead.
Another element of the sea change is how incompetent and lost the government increasingly reveals itself to be. They still feel they can dine out on promises and expressing intentions, not real policy. Take messaging on the shortages for example, they point to shortages in US and Europe and around the world. If true that merely means governments in other countries could be hurt by this too - but if it’s not true the shelves are bare and petrol stations dry across US and EU, so it’s merely Tory government taking the piss out of the electorate, how exactly do you think this gaslighting is going down this week?
Yes, I will concede to you, on the indicators you point to, you are right, I don’t have any doubt in my mind if the election comes next spring, the Conservatives will get a comfortable majority. The longer this sea change goes on though…
The indicators I point to point to the next GE, not next spring.
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
I am still dubious about the story.
However, the silhouette on Guido indicates 2 males and a female but then who knows
I will only believe it if it happens
It's a done deal, I am now sure of it. Fantastic work by Johnson. But who are the other two?
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
John Wood. Brett was too hammy.
Brett was brilliant as Holmes - the 'hammy' aspect seemed to match the books IMO. Holmes always seemed to have a sense of the theatric.
I do wonder if Brett's bipolar disorder and other tragic malaises gave his performances a very Holmesian aspect as well. The Holmes of the books was frequently not a very well man - although most of his malaises were of his own making - starving himself, not caring for himself, opium addictions etc.
The point of Holmes portrayal, not just in performance, but the writing, is not to shatter the perception of a genius in whom scientific curiosity is raised to the status of a heroic passion. If in writing for Holmes or acting him you to try to bring out and show other sides of him, it’s nots going to work, because it won’t be Holmes.
I disagree. 'Scientific curiosity' is just one aspect of the Holmes of the books: he is a much deeper character than that. As for the theatrics: all the disguises he uses.
I'd actually say your statement fits Mycroft better.
I could say citation needed for the depth. Instead I will compromise. If we can agree, Holmes can’t function in his chosen mode of professionalism if he gives emotion a stronghold?
Yes. In that way, he's a bit like some techies I've known. Particularly where members of the opposite sex are involved...
But yes, I think that Holmes is a very multi-dimensional character - and that is what maintains the reader's interest. Mycroft is much more one-dimensional.
The great thing about this conversation is the way we can all read the same books, and come up with very different views on the main character. That's a wonder of literature that is frequently lost when transferred to the screen.
Re: Mycroft Holmes, one of the things I like about the Jeremey Brett series, is the excellent, well-written, -acted & -fleshed out portrayal of Sherlock's big brother.
Question for our IT experts. I have had a message from Microsoft about Windows 11. Is my PC compatible? I ticked the box and it said yes apart from TPM 2.0. Should I update or not?
I’d wait a while, until us geeks IT experts have spent the next few months screaming at Microsoft, about all the bugs in both W11 and the “upgrade” process.
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
Cumberbatch is excellent as Greville Wynne in The Courier.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
Brilliant.
Interesting how much of that is the Green party manifesto, isn't it?
It's what huge amounts of the farming media and politicians have been chugging on about for years and years, and more in the pandemic. Food and farming awards.
Localism, food miles, traceability.
The Greens have been trying to mug us for subsidies for hobby farmers for as long.
I don't see the need to destroy supermarkets to create it though; seems to be happening perfectly well anyway.
Trust me; I listen to Farming Today.
I rather enjoy Farming Today. Ramblings is better though.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
I am still dubious about the story.
However, the silhouette on Guido indicates 2 males and a female but then who knows
I will only believe it if it happens
It's a done deal, I am now sure of it. Fantastic work by Johnson. But who are the other two?
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
Cumberbatch is excellent as Greville Wynne in The Courier.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
I love Jeremy Brett’s Holmes, they are go to’s on my Sky Q
Jeremy Brett is certainly by far the most authentic of the great Sherlocks. Basil Rathbone is perhaps the most amusing, and Nigel Bruce was a brilliant comic foil for him. And Benedict Cumberbatch was a good modern portrayal, though let down by some weird scripts.
Basil Rathbone most definitely did some excellent acting here and there in his series, and his Holmes is generally amusing. Basil Rathbone was the real star by my lights, and together they made fine team.
But most of the scripts were pretty crappy, the budgets were pretty stingy and results were at best B+ movies. Yet good enough to have made a major contribution to the lore and legend of Sherlock Holmes, especially in introducing to millions around the world the great creation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
And seems clear that Benedict Cumberbatch & co. are performing the same sterling service.
On topic, I haven't scrolled through the comments yet but one good bet might be Graham Stringer - obviously pro-Brexit, not a natural fit generally for the increasingly woke Labour party, sits for a seat that is pro-Brexit (and where the neighbouring Heywood and Middleton went Tory). Not sure his relationship with Burnham but I haven't seen anything that suggests they are close.
Also - of an age where he's unlikely to run again.
Would be a big coup for the Conservatives as well - he is not a nobody, he is an ex-leader of Manchester City Council, still commands a lot of respect in the constituency / City and is well known through Greater Manchester. He is the sort of defection that could have a ripple effect in neighbouring constituencies.
A significant Jewish community in his constituency.
Fantastic call from Mr Ed and yourself. So 1 down 2 to go.
Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
He can't though.
The moment he becomes an MP he ceases to be Mayor of Manchester.
It is the law.
Why is it different from South Yorkshire Mayor? Dan Jarvis is that and an MP.
It’s to with whether the post is combined with the elected police thingee role.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
I am still dubious about the story.
However, the silhouette on Guido indicates 2 males and a female but then who knows
I will only believe it if it happens
It's a done deal, I am now sure of it. Fantastic work by Johnson. But who are the other two?
Not Duffield, not Coyle.
I remain unconvinced
Agree. Nothing solid. And nothing in the original story that sounded right.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
I love Jeremy Brett’s Holmes, they are go to’s on my Sky Q
Jeremy Brett is certainly by far the most authentic of the great Sherlocks. Basil Rathbone is perhaps the most amusing, and Nigel Bruce was a brilliant comic foil for him. And Benedict Cumberbatch was a good modern portrayal, though let down by some weird scripts.
Basil Rathbone most definitely did some excellent acting here and there in his series, and his Holmes is generally amusing. Basil Rathbone was the real star by my lights, and together they made fine team.
But most of the scripts were pretty crappy, the budgets were pretty stingy and results were at best B+ movies. Yet good enough to have made a major contribution to the lore and legend of Sherlock Holmes, especially in introducing to millions around the world the great creation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
And seems clear that Benedict Cumberbatch & co. are performing the same sterling service.
No-one has ever done a decent Hound of the Baskervilles that is reasonably faithful to the original book. Brett gets closest, but not close enough.
And all the best Sherlock versions are the ones which don't do too much to embroider or go off the point. Doyle was above all a top quality story teller, of a different league to most script writers.
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
My appreciation of & for Mr. Holmes & Dr. Watson stems from having read The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes as a callow, impressionable youth. Was blown away by the characters, the plots, the logic & puzzle-solving, and the amazing fact that a guy at least as weird and strange as yours truly was the star of the show.
Plus I greatly enjoyed the vivid descriptions of late Victorian England. And still do, which is why I have trouble appreciating Sherlock Holmes in Modern Dress.
It seems that the BBC News Northern Ireland interview where Johnson said, “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth” is no longer available on BBC iPlayer.https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1444722422066950155/photo/1
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Graham Stringer is 71 - would he want to standing 2024
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
She was very good in Pride and Prejudice imo, very good indeed. OTH she was terrible in Love Actually.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
She was very good in Pride and Prejudice imo, very good indeed. OTH she was terrible in Love Actually.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Graham Stringer is 71 - would he want to standing 2024
Certainly not. At 74 he'll be eyeing a run for POTUS, surely. ;-)
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Graham Stringer is 71 - would he want to standing 2024
I was thinking more he stands down now and forces a by-election - as you said, he is 71 so I can't imagine he wants to continue past-2024 but he may think (either because it is the right thing to do or to cause mayhem) that forcing a by-election is the best thing. I may be reading too much into things but there are some slightly odd things going on at the moment in Manchester City Council - Richard Leese (Stringer's old colleague) is standing down, I wonder whether Burnham's high profile strutting has ruffled a few feathers; Leese has always been of the view that the GM Mayor is an equal, not a superior, to the individual council heads (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/the-northerner/2014/nov/19/sir-richard-leese-elected-mayor-for-greater-manchester)
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Graham Stringer is 71 - would he want to standing 2024
Certainly not. At 74 he'll be eyeing a run for POTUS, surely. ;-)
He would be better than the two leading candidates.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
It wouldn't count against him. It doesn't matter that he's a Scouser, he's the twice-elected Mayor of Manchester. If they're winning to look past that for the Mayor, I'm sure they'll be willing to look past it for an MP.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
It wouldn't count against him. It doesn't matter that he's a Scouser, he's the twice-elected Mayor of Manchester. If they're winning to look past that for the Mayor, I'm sure they'll be willing to look past it for an MP.
There is a fair bit of that seat which is in Salford. They don't like people from Liverpool.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
It wouldn't count against him. It doesn't matter that he's a Scouser, he's the twice-elected Mayor of Manchester. If they're winning to look past that for the Mayor, I'm sure they'll be willing to look past it for an MP.
There is a fair bit of that seat which is in Salford. They don't like people from Liverpool.
Well it might be rational to deny on the basis it probably won't make things any worse, but it's a bad look when there is such a clear mandate (yeah yeah, polls, but the democratic representatives are more compelling than polls).
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Graham Stringer is 71 - would he want to standing 2024
I was thinking more he stands down now and forces a by-election - as you said, he is 71 so I can't imagine he wants to continue past-2024 but he may think (either because it is the right thing to do or to cause mayhem) that forcing a by-election is the best thing. I may be reading too much into things but there are some slightly odd things going on at the moment in Manchester City Council - Richard Leese (Stringer's old colleague) is standing down, I wonder whether Burnham's high profile strutting has ruffled a few feathers; Leese has always been of the view that the GM Mayor is an equal, not a superior, to the individual council heads (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/the-northerner/2014/nov/19/sir-richard-leese-elected-mayor-for-greater-manchester)
Plenty of MPs go on later than 74, I wouldn't think age alone would indicate he didn't want to continue on, as Benpointer jests, but combined with massive political change? Maybe.
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
I like Cumberbatch, but there's something about his performances where I feel I can always tell it is him acting, if that makes any sense. Like, I loved his Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness, and other performances, but it was very much 'Cumberbatch doing X'.
On Knightley, I only know two people with really strong opinions on her, both women, and both dislike her with almost the same mention of teeth as you, weird.
If we were to get any defections (we won't), can we get the politicians to shortcut the argument about how they should resign their seat and fight a by-election? We all know whether to call for it is guided by self interest and only UKIP dared do it, and that the big two would switch positions on the subject if they were to benefit, so just do it in 5 minutes and move on.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
It wouldn't count against him. It doesn't matter that he's a Scouser, he's the twice-elected Mayor of Manchester. If they're winning to look past that for the Mayor, I'm sure they'll be willing to look past it for an MP.
There is a fair bit of that seat which is in Salford. They don't like people from Liverpool.
And yet they've voted for him?
I don't think they're that bovvered.
Well. GM Is far more than Salford and North Manchester.
It may not be a big issue but it's a big Man-U supporting area and they generally don't like Liverpool.
If we were to get any defections (we won't), can we get the politicians to shortcut the argument about how they should resign their seat and fight a by-election? We all know whether to call for it is guided by self interest and only UKIP dared do it, and that the big two would switch positions on the subject if they were to benefit, so just do it in 5 minutes and move on.
Thing is, Ukip didn’t “dare to do it”. They understood that there was a lot to gain from a by-election. The lot that left Labour and the Tories during the 2017-19 parliament were to dumb to understand that they should risk it for the sake of publicity.
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As for opium addiction: my *impression* from the books - and Dr Watson's comments - that opium was present in his life far too much at times.
Once again fantastic work from Mr Ed.
But yes, I think that Holmes is a very multi-dimensional character - and that is what maintains the reader's interest. Mycroft is much more one-dimensional.
The great thing about this conversation is the way we can all read the same books, and come up with very different views on the main character. That's a wonder of literature that is frequently lost when transferred to the screen.
I will probably become persona non grata given what I am about to write. But I don't think I've ever seen a James Bond film all the way through.
Also why did Daniel Craig wear that strawberry pink velvet jacket at the premiere? He looked ridiculous - like James Bond channelling his inner Liberace. Dearie me.
On other topics, I was good at maths at school. Had a brilliant teacher. And am mildly dyspraxic - always bumping into things and falling over and breaking stuff when I try to open the simplest object. As a result I always have bruises in the strangest places. Should I ever die in suspicious circumstances my poor gentle husband will probably end up accused of some sort of strange acts of domestic violence when in fact it is the furniture in my home which is waging a - so far entirely successful - guerilla war on me.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Seattle Mariners versus Los Angeles Angles for American League West title, game just started 12.10pm (PST).
Significance: IF Mariners win this game and IF (based on series of calculations that would muddle Sir Isaac Newton) the NY Yankee or Boston Red Sox lose THEIR games today (now playing) THEN Seattle has the chance of winning a tie-breaker to be eligible for the wild card game to make it into the Major League Baseball playoffs.
Or something like that.
However, the silhouette on Guido indicates 2 males and a female but then who knows
I will only believe it if it happens
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FG-ZO26pnE8
But feels very “swinging sixties” rather than “St Mary Meade”:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8jkUVDOzJ7M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Brett#Private_life_and_health_problems
All very sad.
The signs we should be looking for change of narrative are 1) Starmer’s Favourbility rating for PM and 2) signs of increasing numbers of Leave voters saying they will vote Labour. In that sense Labour had a successful conference, the strategy is perfect to relentlessly look to improve these two indicators in the months and years ahead.
Another element of the sea change is how incompetent and lost the government increasingly reveals itself to be. They still feel they can dine out on promises and expressing intentions, not real policy. Take messaging on the shortages for example, they point to shortages in US and Europe and around the world. If true that merely means governments in other countries could be hurt by this too - but if it’s not true the shelves are bare and petrol stations dry across US and EU, so it’s merely Tory government taking the piss out of the electorate, how exactly do you think this gaslighting is going down this week?
Yes, I will concede to you, on the indicators you point to, you are right, I don’t have any doubt in my mind if the election comes next spring, the Conservatives will get a comfortable majority. The longer this sea change goes on though…
I mean why would Starmer make that offer? He would be inviting trouble wouldn't he - i.e. by bringing in a viable leader rival?
What is the LP rule on this - who selects the candidates to fill a vacancy, is it down to Starmer or local association or a bit of both?
Petrol stations are not dry for most of the country and we have had our weekly Asda delivery every week with no missing items and the store seems well stocked
https://www.forbes.com/sites/garthfriesen/2021/09/03/no-end-in-sight-for-the-covid-led-global-supply-chain-disruption/
Rather like the Patty Duke show: two very similar yet quite different personalities and performances, both harmonizing equally and strengthening the whole.
Bathed in tweedy pathos, vaguely Handel-ish, with a bit of dramatic drum to indicate there’s a murder afoot.
As good as the Brideshead Revisited theme.
dot dot dot
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
Not Duffield, not Coyle.
But most of the scripts were pretty crappy, the budgets were pretty stingy and results were at best B+ movies. Yet good enough to have made a major contribution to the lore and legend of Sherlock Holmes, especially in introducing to millions around the world the great creation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
And seems clear that Benedict Cumberbatch & co. are performing the same sterling service.
An MP can’t have authority over the police.
And all the best Sherlock versions are the ones which don't do too much to embroider or go off the point. Doyle was above all a top quality story teller, of a different league to most script writers.
Brexit has played a part in our issues but it is much more and a very serious problem for all the world
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/126562992/covid19-usps-stops-nz-mail-service-due-to-unavailability-of-transportation
Plus I greatly enjoyed the vivid descriptions of late Victorian England. And still do, which is why I have trouble appreciating Sherlock Holmes in Modern Dress.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
As long as this Tory government remains in power no indyref2 will be allowed, tough
46 y/o Metropolitan Police officer David Carrick, will appear via video link at Hatfield Magistrates' Court tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/ZoraSuleman/status/1444756141330817024
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
Get Dick Out!
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/tony-and-cherie-blair-bought-property-via-offshore-firm-and-saved-300000-in-tax
A vision of what America would have been like if Donald Trump had been re-elected.
Agreed on Squid Games though, really liked it, love the pink hair at the end (spoiler alert)
Or they could have said
BBC announce 80% of petrol stations in London and the South East have fuel
No wonder 47% blame the media for the fuel crisis
(only joking)
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-03/metropolitan-police-officer-charged-with-rape?fbclid=IwAR27dkYb0agDRTkaW9zrWE7pNk5EJ3iOiWlz3vKQHOCgCzmpY_tmRPB7B3o
I don't think they're that bovvered.
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I've avoided Squid Game as I'm not a fan screen violence (or any violence for that matter). It's not that I'm prudish about it, just squeamish.
BBC News - Full power ahead for UK to Norway under-sea power cable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58772572
On Knightley, I only know two people with really strong opinions on her, both women, and both dislike her with almost the same mention of teeth as you, weird.
Genius detective who is an arsehole, but compelling, so gets to be as rude as we wish we could get away with.
It may not be a big issue but it's a big Man-U supporting area and they generally don't like Liverpool.