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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    Spot on. Dyslexia is very real. But it's also over-diagnosed; mainly because middle and upper class parents push for the diagnosis when their little darlings are poor at spelling and/or other aspects of English. Educational psychologists are on occasion complicit in this over-diagnosis.
    I think it is one of those things that people casually self diagnose (or diagnose for their little darling), like being 'a little OCD' or having Aspergers.
    It’s something that pushy parents go out of their way to get officially diagnosed - because of the extra time in exams given to those with the condition.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308
    IshmaelZ said:

    Incidentally, a question for Cyclefree.

    Isn't it high time someone did an audit on James Bond? Civil servant on a middle rank salary. Access to lots of secret information. "Loses" or "Destroys" vast quantities of expensive, secret equipment on a regular basis. Spends like a drunk sailor. Claims to make up the difference by wining in Casinos...

    Isn't that *all* the pointers to criminal behaviour?

    He is on expenses every time we see him in action. Bought the Bentley cheap as a write-off. No suggestion he has a regular income as a gambler, gives away both sets of winnings in Goldfinger, refuses a dowry from Tracy's uber-rich criminal dad when they marry in OHMSS. As Kingsley Amis pointed out the medical report on him in Thunderball says he routinely drinks vodka at 65-70% proof, and that strength vodka is fairly non-fancy stuff, so he is cautious about spending his own money. No case to answer, in other words.
    Continually ups his room to the best in the hotel. Yeah, you can do *that* on expenses.

    His throwing money away, while spending wildly is a flag, but itself.

    Gets one job on the basis that he is the most practised gambler in SIS.

    Claims to have won a vintage Aston from a terrorist/arms dealer who he later killed, in a game of cards....

    Did anyone do an audit on Fort Knox after he left?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    Spot on. Dyslexia is very real. But it's also over-diagnosed; mainly because middle and upper class parents push for the diagnosis when their little darlings are poor at spelling and/or other aspects of English. Educational psychologists are on occasion complicit in this over-diagnosis.
    I think it is one of those things that people casually self diagnose (or diagnose for their little darling), like being 'a little OCD' or having Aspergers.
    It’s something that pushy parents go out of their way to get officially diagnosed - because of the extra time in exams given to those with the condition.
    An alternative view is that, like private education, it is revealing a gap in the state system.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sandpit said:

    Is 1/2 in decimal betting 1.5 or 1.67?

    I'm not sure what formula the maths uses for conversions?

    1.5 (on Betfair anyway). 1.67 would be 2/3
    4/6 please

    Although I never know why they didn’t just use 2/3
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    Spot on. Dyslexia is very real. But it's also over-diagnosed; mainly because middle and upper class parents push for the diagnosis when their little darlings are poor at spelling and/or other aspects of English. Educational psychologists are on occasion complicit in this over-diagnosis.
    I think it is one of those things that people casually self diagnose (or diagnose for their little darling), like being 'a little OCD' or having Aspergers.
    As opposed to getting diagnosed by one of those medical professional chaps?

    I think you will find that getting extra time in exams etc is reliant on that.
    Yes, but if you are careful not to say "I find reading and writing the most effortlessly fluent media for communication, the words, in the right order and all of them spelled the way the OED spells them, just seem to pour onto the page," it is possible to tailor the symptoms to get the required diagnosis.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2021

    Aaron Bastani
    @AaronBastani
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    1h
    It’s extraordinary that a Tory PM openly states wages have stagnated for a decade (while their party was in charge) & it’s seen as s positive talking point.

    Lobby journalists themselves would barely acknowledge this between 2010-17…now it’s a Tory line?!

    Not really - Boris is surely happy to draw a line between pre and post Brexit when it suits him
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,021

    BBC Breaking:

    Petrol problems "virtually over" in Scotland, northern England, and the Midlands - but issues persist in the South East, say retailers

    Must be a lack of organic Fairtrade petrol.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Pretty much anyone asking a question of Prof Whitty in the daily pandemic press conferences, appeared to revel in their lack of technical understanding of the subject in hand.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Pretty much anyone asking a question of Prof Whitty in the daily pandemic press conferences, appeared to revel in their lack of technical understanding of the subject in hand.
    Alec Douglas Home famously did all his counting using matchsticks.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,518
    I don't think there is likely to be substance in the Mail thing about 3 Labour MPs. It lacks the detail and corroboration of more solid stories. More likely to be a story built up out of gossip and speculation as well as the desire to have a good story which is impossible to confirm or deny.

    Not a single word in the story would be defamatory if untrue, which is a bit of a sign of the absence of substance.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Incidentally, a question for Cyclefree.

    Isn't it high time someone did an audit on James Bond? Civil servant on a middle rank salary. Access to lots of secret information. "Loses" or "Destroys" vast quantities of expensive, secret equipment on a regular basis. Spends like a drunk sailor. Claims to make up the difference by wining in Casinos...

    Isn't that *all* the pointers to criminal behaviour?

    He is on expenses every time we see him in action. Bought the Bentley cheap as a write-off. No suggestion he has a regular income as a gambler, gives away both sets of winnings in Goldfinger, refuses a dowry from Tracy's uber-rich criminal dad when they marry in OHMSS. As Kingsley Amis pointed out the medical report on him in Thunderball says he routinely drinks vodka at 65-70% proof, and that strength vodka is fairly non-fancy stuff, so he is cautious about spending his own money. No case to answer, in other words.
    Continually ups his room to the best in the hotel. Yeah, you can do *that* on expenses.

    His throwing money away, while spending wildly is a flag, but itself.

    Gets one job on the basis that he is the most practised gambler in SIS.

    Claims to have won a vintage Aston from a terrorist/arms dealer who he later killed, in a game of cards....

    Did anyone do an audit on Fort Knox after he left?
    Not familiar with the films, no Aston Martins in the books.

    NB also he is the only child of deceased parents who could afford Eton, and then Fettes.
  • Farooq said:

    Is 1/2 in decimal betting 1.5 or 1.67?

    I'm not sure what formula the maths uses for conversions?

    Fraction -> decimal: turn the fraction into a decimal in the normal way, and then add 1
    1/2 -> 0.5 -> 1.50
    7/9 -> 0.78 -> 1.78
    3/1 -> 3.0 -> 4.00
    7/2 -> 3.5 -> 4.50
    Thank you and Sandpit too.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    Dyslexia denier? Not heard of that before.

    Dyslexia definitely exists and I have worked wit pupils for whom it was a crippling problem.

    If they were on about pupils whose parents pay for an ed-psych to give them a dyslexia diagnosis so they can get 25% more time in exams despite being no worse at spelling than I am, then I might be a bit more sympathetic.
    Do you think there is something specific that makes some - apparently bright children (as opposed to thickos) - struggle with reading and writing? We don’t do this with maths.
    They definitely exist. As does dyspraxia, I had a longtime girlfriend with dyspraxia, she kept dropping things and falling over, sometimes to an infuriating extent. Smashing five wine glasses in an evening and so on. It also affected her education as she was incapable of organising notes and revision. Even tho she was super bright.

    A strange syndrome. Luckily for her she was also sexy and funny so everyone forgave the broken glassware and crockery. I still have a stain on my living room ceiling from when she managed to cover it with mustard opening a jar. The CEILING
    Is this a euphemism for her falling off at the wrong moment, Leon? When you were, umm, using your real equipment not a flint dildo?
    Not a lurid metaphor. All true

    You know those big jars of Pommery Moutarde de Meaux, like this?

    https://www.souschef.co.uk/products/pommery-wholegrain-mustard-moutarde-de-meaux?variant=16905277440058&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwqeWKBhBFEiwABo_XBktVuCM1jyfvH4d6-lrmc4jNHXXfUTegRD5LgQ5mU7Syzi2kobAMthoC71sQAvD_BwE

    She was struggling to open the big red top, but then, being dyspraxic she pushed the wrong way and slammed the ceramic jar so hard against the floor the mustard geysered into the air, some of it hitting the ceiling

    I was not happy
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792

    BBC Breaking:

    Petrol problems "virtually over" in Scotland, northern England, and the Midlands - but issues persist in the South East, say retailers

    Must be a lack of organic Fairtrade petrol.
    Nobody can claim it isn't organic.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,843
    I just checked my local theatre to see what is going on. Under the Covid guidelines people are asked to remain masked at all times with the exception of the bar/food area. In the theatre there is currently a policy of keeping a space between people. They would also appreciate it if we would take a lateral flow test before visiting.

    I know the cinema is something similar in terms of masks etc. I was just wondering how specific to Wales this was or whether it's different in England.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,794
    Mr. Al, sounds akin to kleptomania.
  • Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    Dyslexia denier? Not heard of that before.

    Dyslexia definitely exists and I have worked wit pupils for whom it was a crippling problem.

    If they were on about pupils whose parents pay for an ed-psych to give them a dyslexia diagnosis so they can get 25% more time in exams despite being no worse at spelling than I am, then I might be a bit more sympathetic.
    Do you think there is something specific that makes some - apparently bright children (as opposed to thickos) - struggle with reading and writing? We don’t do this with maths.
    They definitely exist. As does dyspraxia, I had a longtime girlfriend with dyspraxia, she kept dropping things and falling over, sometimes to an infuriating extent. Smashing five wine glasses in an evening and so on. It also affected her education as she was incapable of organising notes and revision. Even tho she was super bright.

    A strange syndrome. Luckily for her she was also sexy and funny so everyone forgave the broken glassware and crockery. I still have a stain on my living room ceiling from when she managed to cover it with mustard opening a jar. The CEILING
    Is this a euphemism for her falling off at the wrong moment, Leon? When you were, umm, using your real equipment not a flint dildo?
    Not a lurid metaphor. All true

    You know those big jars of Pommery Moutarde de Meaux, like this?

    https://www.souschef.co.uk/products/pommery-wholegrain-mustard-moutarde-de-meaux?variant=16905277440058&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwqeWKBhBFEiwABo_XBktVuCM1jyfvH4d6-lrmc4jNHXXfUTegRD5LgQ5mU7Syzi2kobAMthoC71sQAvD_BwE

    She was struggling to open the big red top, but then, being dyspraxic she pushed the wrong way and slammed the ceramic jar so hard against the floor the mustard geysered into the air, some of it hitting the ceiling

    I was not happy
    I can see why you go with flaked Parmesan, safety first!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,021
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Almost all of them. Sitting on a breakfast sofa or wherever letting the nation know how poor they are at maths and then the next one has to chip in and say how bad they are too.

    Happens all the time. Whenever there is a topic under discussion that requires a bit of adding up.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    Farooq said:

    Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Pretty much anyone asking a question of Prof Whitty in the daily pandemic press conferences, appeared to revel in their lack of technical understanding of the subject in hand.
    And are you sure they are "revelling" rather than using a rhetorical device to get the expert to explain themselves in a way more viewers will find accessible?
    Well, they asked the same inane and innumerate questions day after day, and week after week.

    If they were in any way numerate, they’d have gone out of their way to understand and explain concepts like exponential growth.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Half the journo's asking questions at covid press conferences are either proud of it or painfully lacking in self awareness.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,794
    Mr. Sandpit, not to mention the difference between deficit and debt.

    As an aside, at university I was almost the only one there without a psychology A-level, but also the only one (I think) with a [not very good] maths A-level, which proved incredibly useful for quickly understanding most of the stat stuff.

    Not to mention not being taken in by the innumerate idiocy that is the 'gender wage gap' (people doing different jobs have different salaries. Oh noes!).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Almost all of them. Sitting on a breakfast sofa or wherever letting the nation know how poor they are at maths and then the next one has to chip in and say how bad they are too.

    Happens all the time. Whenever there is a topic under discussion that requires a bit of adding up.
    I had a lunch recently where the bill was exactly £160, with two diners.

    We asked the waitress to split it, and she couldn't do the mental maths, and had to get her phone/calculator out.

    She was a humanities graduate from Bristol University. She didn't seem especially embarrassed, just offered a mild chuckle

    I bet she knows all about Mary Seacole and Black History, however
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,732
    How it started: We will unchain a new buccaneering, global Britain.

    How it is going: We will guarantee everyone will have a bit of turkey for xmas.*



    * unless you are on UC.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    edited October 2021

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Almost all of them. Sitting on a breakfast sofa or wherever letting the nation know how poor they are at maths and then the next one has to chip in and say how bad they are too.

    Happens all the time. Whenever there is a topic under discussion that requires a bit of adding up.
    I had a lunch recently where the bill was exactly £160, with two diners.

    We asked the waitress to split it, and she couldn't do the mental maths, and had to get her phone/calculator out.

    She was a humanities graduate from Bristol University. She didn't seem especially embarrassed, just offered a mild chuckle

    I bet she knows all about Mary Seacole and Black History, however
    And thinks Mark Hughes was a Marxist academic
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    edited October 2021
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    The usual way of doing it at GCSE is for each subject to be taught separately and then the exam for double or single science will be separate papers in each subject which are combined to give an overall grade.

    We actually have everyone doing separate sciences though, so it’s fairly easy to organise.

    Edit: oh, and we don’t set except for maths.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Anyone back the 80-1 winner of the Arc?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    edited October 2021
    The news of Labour to Tory defections on PB last night had as dead certs. Coyle (who responded with where are my horse and shit emojies) and Duffield who a couple of days earlier had been eulogising Starmer's speech and decrying Johnson as a Hell hound of Hades. So quite possibly not them after all. Although politicians are a duplicitous bunch, so shall we put them down as maybes

    So who? As you say ...it could be...Burgon (oh joy of joys- my lapsed membership fee is in the post) or... it could be...Abbott (bye, bye, and can you take Jeremy with you).
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Renewables generating about two-thirds of UK energy atm.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

    Wind is back. Yay!
    And so is @tim I reckon! Or is that the same thing?
    Pethaps tim is going to defect to the Tories .......
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    edited October 2021
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308

    Mr. Sandpit, not to mention the difference between deficit and debt.

    As an aside, at university I was almost the only one there without a psychology A-level, but also the only one (I think) with a [not very good] maths A-level, which proved incredibly useful for quickly understanding most of the stat stuff.

    Not to mention not being taken in by the innumerate idiocy that is the 'gender wage gap' (people doing different jobs have different salaries. Oh noes!).

    By the way, was trying to express the ideals of my new party (The Putney Party)

    Then I realised that it had already been done....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEECxN5P1nw
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Renewables generating about two-thirds of UK energy atm.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

    Wind is back. Yay!
    And so is @tim I reckon! Or is that the same thing?
    Pethaps tim is going to defect to the Tories .......
    He hates the left wing, so maybe!
  • ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Not many private schools would have a lab big enough to take 27 at once…
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Off topic

    I caught on the earlier thread that you and your fellow teachers are to be privatised to improve your competitiveness by @Philip_Thompson . Congratulations! .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    tlg86 said:

    Anyone back the 80-1 winner of the Arc?

    I considered almost the entire field but not that one.
  • maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
  • Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Pretty much anyone asking a question of Prof Whitty in the daily pandemic press conferences, appeared to revel in their lack of technical understanding of the subject in hand.
    Wasn't that because the media sent their political correspondents trying for a "gotcha" moment, instead of their science correspondents?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,702
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    Dyslexia denier? Not heard of that before.

    Dyslexia definitely exists and I have worked wit pupils for whom it was a crippling problem.

    If they were on about pupils whose parents pay for an ed-psych to give them a dyslexia diagnosis so they can get 25% more time in exams despite being no worse at spelling than I am, then I might be a bit more sympathetic.
    Do you think there is something specific that makes some - apparently bright children (as opposed to thickos) - struggle with reading and writing? We don’t do this with maths.
    We do, we train them as journalists.
  • ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Off topic

    I caught on the earlier thread that you and your fellow teachers are to be privatised to improve your competitiveness by @Philip_Thompson . Congratulations! .
    A fairly high proportion ( c50%) of the teachers who leave my school do indeed go of to the private sector, either fee paying schools or industry.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Not many private schools would have a lab big enough to take 27 at once…
    In my admittedly purely anecdotal experience the labs in private schools are big enough to take those numbers. It’s the other classrooms that are smaller.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Off topic

    I caught on the earlier thread that you and your fellow teachers are to be privatised to improve your competitiveness by @Philip_Thompson . Congratulations! .
    It’s already been done, that’s what academisation was about.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Almost all of them. Sitting on a breakfast sofa or wherever letting the nation know how poor they are at maths and then the next one has to chip in and say how bad they are too.

    Happens all the time. Whenever there is a topic under discussion that requires a bit of adding up.
    Sports commentators seem to be the worst. Terminally unable to add 3 points to a team's total, and then determine which position they'll be in. And if they do...
    "I didn't know I was working with Einstein / on countdown/ Jeff "
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
  • Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Pretty much anyone asking a question of Prof Whitty in the daily pandemic press conferences, appeared to revel in their lack of technical understanding of the subject in hand.
    Wasn't that because the media sent their political correspondents trying for a "gotcha" moment, instead of their science correspondents?
    But why is it acceptable for political correspondents not to understand basic maths? Knowing what an exponential is shouldn’t make you a dangerous intellectual in a news room.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    Frankenstein was biological engineering, not the humanities.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    Anyways. None of this comment alters the fact that Graham Stringer stated dyslexia was made up. And that he was talking utter bollocks. The rest is whataboutery.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    dixiedean said:

    Anyways. None of this comment alters the fact that Graham Stringer stated dyslexia was made up. And that he was talking utter bollocks. The rest is whataboutery.

    The rest of what is whataboutery? A discussion about dyslexia, however prompted, doesn't speak as to his comments.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Off topic

    I caught on the earlier thread that you and your fellow teachers are to be privatised to improve your competitiveness by @Philip_Thompson . Congratulations! .
    A fairly high proportion ( c50%) of the teachers who leave my school do indeed go of to the private sector, either fee paying schools or industry.
    Fake news!
    It is a well-known PB fact that no one from the Public sector would last a day in a private business.
  • maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    I think geography and history go together like maths and physics; it is impossible to understand history properly without understanding the geographic context.

    That said, this does not look like a qualification designed for onwards study, but instead to ensure that the pupils have a basic understanding (or to be more cynical, to tick a box on the EBacc).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    I think geography and history go together like maths and physics; it is impossible to understand history properly without understanding the geographic context.

    That said, this does not look like a qualification designed for onwards study, but instead to ensure that the pupils have a basic understanding (or to be more cynical, to tick a box on the EBacc).
    Really? I would have said having taught both it was the other way around - that it’s much harder to understand geography, especially human geography, without some knowledge of history.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    tlg86 said:

    Anyone back the 80-1 winner of the Arc?

    sadly not. many years ago i backed Tony Bin e/w at 100/1 when he came second in the Arc. can't remember the year. 80's probably.
  • dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    On the VoteUK forum the MP for Blackley and Broughton's name has been mentioned a few times.

    Climate change and dyslexia (WTF?) denier. Strong Brexiter. Anti-lockdowner. Now that I can see. One wonders why he has been in Labour this long.
    Age 71.
    May be a touch right-wing for this Tory Party.
    I’ve always been sceptical of dyslexia and I’m not the only one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

    I never understood the extra time in exams. You don’t get special treatment in the big bad world.
    Would you believe me if I told you it certainly exists, and I have taught highly intelligent pupils who suffered badly from it?

    That doesn’t mean that there are not a significant number of pupils who are given somewhat dubious diagnoses at the prompting of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are perhaps not quite as bright as that think they are.
    If it does exist, I’m not sure why we should differentiate between the two.

    You make it sound like there are some pupils who deserve to be good at everything.

    Disclosure: in my year 9 SATS (they’re coming back, apparently), I got an 8 in maths, a 7 in science and a 5 in English. I felt like a failure, but I certainly wasn’t going to hide behind any condition.
    Are you sure about the 8? I thought the grades only went up to 7.
    This was in 2001, and, yes, I am definitely sure about the 8!
    Sorry to doubt you: further research showed my my memory was wrong.

    In my defence it was 20 years ago, and the results were never something I took seriously (we teach each science separately so an overall science grade was of no use to us and we had to do a separate set of exams later in the term).
    I did triple science - and there were only 27 of us - so we did all the classes together. It was interesting because in reality it was a mixed ability class and, in truth, us boys (2:1 boys to girls) were utter shits for the teachers.

    I don’t know what my school did with the double award. I just assumed they were setted across the three and did each subject as the same class. Do you mix them up?
    Presumably that was a private school?

    At my school, one of the five options could be science, or you could do single award and a different subject. They would then set so that sets 1 and 2 did triple science, sets 3, 4 and 5 did double science. 7, 8 and 9 were the single science group.

    Not sure how it’s done in the school I teach in.
    Off topic

    I caught on the earlier thread that you and your fellow teachers are to be privatised to improve your competitiveness by @Philip_Thompson . Congratulations! .
    A fairly high proportion ( c50%) of the teachers who leave my school do indeed go of to the private sector, either fee paying schools or industry.
    Fake news!
    It is a well-known PB fact that no one from the Public sector would last a day in a private business.
    I probably wouldn’t to be fair…
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Anyways. None of this comment alters the fact that Graham Stringer stated dyslexia was made up. And that he was talking utter bollocks. The rest is whataboutery.

    The rest of what is whataboutery? A discussion about dyslexia, however prompted, doesn't speak as to his comments.
    Fair enough. Just wanted to re-iterate my contempt for the man. He's the kind of dinosaur boomer Parliament could do without.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    edited October 2021
    From 2009. Don't know if he's changed his mind since then.

    "MP brands dyslexia a 'fiction'

    The Labour MP made his comments in an online column
    A Labour MP has claimed dyslexia is a myth invented by education chiefs to cover up poor teaching.

    Backbencher Graham Stringer, MP for Blackley, describes the condition as a "cruel fiction" that should be consigned to the "dustbin of history" He believes the reason many children cannot read and write properly is that the wrong teaching methods are used."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7828121.stm
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2009/jan/13/1
  • dixiedean said:

    Anyways. None of this comment alters the fact that Graham Stringer stated dyslexia was made up. And that he was talking utter bollocks. The rest is whataboutery.

    I think it was more wtfery rather than whataboutery on the basis that most of us couldn’t believe it was something anyone would deny.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,021
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    Let's not forget the most (in)famous of multi-subject lash-ups: PPE.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    Andy_JS said:

    From 2009. Don't know if he's changed his mind since then.

    "MP brands dyslexia a 'fiction'

    The Labour MP made his comments in an online column
    A Labour MP has claimed dyslexia is a myth invented by education chiefs to cover up poor teaching.

    Backbencher Graham Stringer, MP for Blackley, describes the condition as a "cruel fiction" that should be consigned to the "dustbin of history" He believes the reason many children cannot read and write properly is that the wrong teaching methods are used."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7828121.stm
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2009/jan/13/1

    Wrong teaching methods. Due to their dyslexia.
  • ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    I think geography and history go together like maths and physics; it is impossible to understand history properly without understanding the geographic context.

    That said, this does not look like a qualification designed for onwards study, but instead to ensure that the pupils have a basic understanding (or to be more cynical, to tick a box on the EBacc).
    Really? I would have said having taught both it was the other way around - that it’s much harder to understand geography, especially human geography, without some knowledge of history.
    You are probably right for the human geography, but most physical geography predates even Egyptian history.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    Farooq said:

    Does anyone know what "political message" was scrawled on Tulip Siddiq's vandalised car? I need to know whether it was my side or the other side before I condemn/ignore it. Thanks.

    Yes, the news was very coy about the content

    If it had been basic racism surely they would have said, and it would be bigger news?

    Was it internal Labour slanging? I don't know what side she is on, within the party. Or something to do with trans/LGB issues - she has asked questions in the House about "conversion therapy" -

    https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2020-09-23/94503
  • maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    Let's not forget the most (in)famous of multi-subject lash-ups: PPE.

    PPP? Or the notoriously difficult Physics and Philosophy?
  • isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Is 1/2 in decimal betting 1.5 or 1.67?

    I'm not sure what formula the maths uses for conversions?

    1.5 (on Betfair anyway). 1.67 would be 2/3
    4/6 please

    Although I never know why they didn’t just use 2/3
    5/4, 6/4, 7/4, 9/4, 11/4 so for consistency, probably, except that in the gaps we find 11/8, 13/8 and 15/8.

    And these days the bookies may well quote 3/2, probably to confuse, as well as new prices like 85/40. But even older prices exist like 100/8 which disappeared years ago.

    The point about the traditional odds is that (a) they are ratios, not fractions, even though people call them fractional odds, and (b) they relate to convenient fractions of a pound in old money. Burlington Bertie, 100/30. 30d is 2/6 ie half-a-crown, which is a coin.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,666
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    Arguably at GCSE level it's the other way round. Mixing the humanities makes more sense than teaching English literature out of context.
  • maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Double science is a bit of a waste of time surely. Might as well offer double humanities with a mismash of English, History and Art.

    There is a humanities qualification: https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/International GCSE/General/Pearson-Edexcel-International-GCSE-9-1-Humanities-Feb-2017.pdf
    I nearly added Geography to my list, but thought combining it with history was too laughable. What value is there in these frankenstein combinations. Too watered down to facilitate onward study, just feels like a way of taking potentially academic subjects and giving them the credibility of another 'studies'
    I think geography and history go together like maths and physics; it is impossible to understand history properly without understanding the geographic context.

    That said, this does not look like a qualification designed for onwards study, but instead to ensure that the pupils have a basic understanding (or to be more cynical, to tick a box on the EBacc).
    Years ago, we did Study of Man [sic] which was a mish-mash of history and geography and probably other stuff.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    dixiedean said:

    Anyways. None of this comment alters the fact that Graham Stringer stated dyslexia was made up. And that he was talking utter bollocks. The rest is whataboutery.

    The Guardian seem happy to publish a piece suggesting that it’s a distinction without difference.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,044
    eek said:

    Fpt

    Fishing said:

    tlg86 said:

    The message I got from the Boris interview is that the government are actively creating inflation. Higher wages,higher taxes on employment, companies, lots of new taxes, more spending by government.

    This would also indicate higher interest rates.

    Will this hit prior to the next general election?

    I might have missed it, but your point - a very reasonable one - was not raised by Marr. It’s almost as though the media have forgotten about monetary policy.
    I think the country as a whole has forgotten the economic lessons that Mrs Thatcher taught it very painfully in the 1980s, not just monetary policy, but also supply side. In particular, the only way to prosperity is higher productivity, and the best way to higher productivity is competitive markets.

    Partly it's a generational thing, partly it's a very left wing academic establishment and broadcast media, and partly it's an increased focus on trivia like trans rights or statues ffs.

    Either way, we'll have to have a new Mrs Thatcher in a few years, when our decline, as opposed to stagnation, becomes even more obvious than it already is.
    Outr lack of productivity has limit level to do with politics.

    A combination of short sightedness (3 -12 months profit growth requirements) made cheap imported Labour a safer choice than investment in productivity improvements.
    I agree to some extent, but that's only one of a large number of factors, many interlinked and many to do with government

    - insufficient competition
    - poor infrastructure
    - poor skills and training
    - too much regulation
    - high taxation
    - barriers to entry
    - etc. etc.

    A government will have to address all of those and more and offend many interest groups in the process.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2021

    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Is 1/2 in decimal betting 1.5 or 1.67?

    I'm not sure what formula the maths uses for conversions?

    1.5 (on Betfair anyway). 1.67 would be 2/3
    4/6 please

    Although I never know why they didn’t just use 2/3
    5/4, 6/4, 7/4, 9/4, 11/4 so for consistency, probably, except that in the gaps we find 11/8, 13/8 and 15/8.

    And these days the bookies may well quote 3/2, probably to confuse, as well as new prices like 85/40. But even older prices exist like 100/8 which disappeared years ago.

    The point about the traditional odds is that (a) they are ratios, not fractions, even though people call them fractional odds, and (b) they relate to convenient fractions of a pound in old money. Burlington Bertie, 100/30. 30d is 2/6 ie half-a-crown, which is a coin.
    I was bought up on matched betting, which is easiest using decimal odds (betfair). As a punter, the only thing better/more convenient are % odds, which can easily be derived from the decimal odds by taking the reciprocal.

    I’ve tried, but I could never get my head around American odds.

    In general though, the best odds are those with the lowest juice. I’m generally a fan of Asian handicaps, for that reason. At 98/100, on either side, available at some of the Asian books, you’re almost mugging the bookie.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,376
    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    On topic, I haven't scrolled through the comments yet but one good bet might be Graham Stringer - obviously pro-Brexit, not a natural fit generally for the increasingly woke Labour party, sits for a seat that is pro-Brexit (and where the neighbouring Heywood and Middleton went Tory). Not sure his relationship with Burnham but I haven't seen anything that suggests they are close.
  • for some comic relief, check this out . . .

    Politico.com - GOP infighting spoils chance to retake Crist’s Florida [US House] seat

    TALLAHASSEE — Alleged murder threats. Court battles. Stinging attacks between rival Republicans. . . .

    Audrey Henson . . . a former CEO of a nonprofit who also helps run a construction business, is one of three GOP candidates competing for [Charlie Crist's US House] seat. The slate also includes Anna Paulina Luna, an Air Force veteran and former model with ties to MAGA world, and Amanda Makki, an attorney and former aide to U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska). The latter two both ran in the GOP primary for the seat in 2020, with Luna edging Makki before ultimately losing to Democratic Rep. Charlie Crist.

    The battle was thrown wide open after Crist opted against running for re-election and is instead mounting a bid for governor. Crist’s departure started a scramble for both parties, even as the district is destined to change when Florida legislators adopt a new congressional map in early 2022. . . .

    Luna made headlines this summer when she alleged that her potential Republican rivals were plotting to kill her. And at one point, she suggested Makki was also involved in the scheme — leading Makki to call Luna “unstable” and pledge that she will spend the primary exposing Luna as a “phony” for once supporting Barack Obama.

    Amid this increasingly bitter backdrop, Luna gained an important ally when Trump earlier this month endorsed her following a 45-minute sit-down between the two at Trump’s resort in Bedminster.

    But Trump’s blessing did little to scare off other Republicans. Instead, it led to recriminations and finger pointing, including from long-time Trump ally Roger Stone, who predicted that Trump would rescind his endorsement once he learned more about Luna. . . .

    Luna first made the allegations when she filed for an injunction against William Braddock, a little-known candidate who briefly ran for the 13th District seat before he dropped out. Luna made her allegation against Braddock based in part on a tape recording where Braddock told a conservative activist that he would get a “Russian and Ukrainian hit squad” to make her disappear.

    Makki got wrapped into the allegation because of text messages where Braddock contended that Makki would help him “take her out.” But Makki said she doesn’t know him and calls the effort to rope her into the case “crazy.”

    “I can’t imagine who might have urged the president to endorse such a person and wonder if he knows what happens when someone hasn’t told the president the whole truth leading to an action — where he might get embarrassed for not knowing all the facts,” Stone wrote in a scathing online piece. . . .

    https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/09/30/gop-infighting-spoils-chance-to-retake-crists-florida-seat-1391522
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180
    MrEd said:

    On topic, I haven't scrolled through the comments yet but one good bet might be Graham Stringer - obviously pro-Brexit, not a natural fit generally for the increasingly woke Labour party, sits for a seat that is pro-Brexit (and where the neighbouring Heywood and Middleton went Tory). Not sure his relationship with Burnham but I haven't seen anything that suggests they are close.

    Also - of an age where he's unlikely to run again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    On topic, I haven't scrolled through the comments yet but one good bet might be Graham Stringer - obviously pro-Brexit, not a natural fit generally for the increasingly woke Labour party, sits for a seat that is pro-Brexit (and where the neighbouring Heywood and Middleton went Tory). Not sure his relationship with Burnham but I haven't seen anything that suggests they are close.

    Also - of an age where he's unlikely to run again.
    Would be a big coup for the Conservatives as well - he is not a nobody, he is an ex-leader of Manchester City Council, still commands a lot of respect in the constituency / City and is well known through Greater Manchester. He is the sort of defection that could have a ripple effect in neighbouring constituencies.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    On topic, I haven't scrolled through the comments yet but one good bet might be Graham Stringer - obviously pro-Brexit, not a natural fit generally for the increasingly woke Labour party, sits for a seat that is pro-Brexit (and where the neighbouring Heywood and Middleton went Tory). Not sure his relationship with Burnham but I haven't seen anything that suggests they are close.

    Also - of an age where he's unlikely to run again.
    But defection to the Tories? Why?

    If anything it would reduce the damage to Starmer within the party - no one would want to follow a "traitor". Going Indy as a protest... that would have more resonance.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,994
    I’m in America and it’s very interesting how news about the UK is reported without the bias of British newspapers or the nervousness of the BBC. Britain’s petrol crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit - this is just an accepted fact everywhere (except where it’s happening).
    https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1444658507987492867
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    edited October 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    I’m in America and it’s very interesting how news about the UK is reported without the bias of British newspapers or the nervousness of the BBC. Britain’s petrol crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit - this is just an accepted fact everywhere (except where it’s happening).
    https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1444658507987492867

    Well then they are misinformed. It wouldn't have happened had the media massively overreacted.
  • Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    He's probably wanting to bring the Corn Laws back. For much the same reasons.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
    But those must be blanks he's firing. No way could he hold it like that, the recoil on those Tyrannosaurus guns.

    He's probably pretending to fire at a Tamiya Panzer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,578
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC Breaking:

    Petrol problems "virtually over" in Scotland, northern England, and the Midlands - but issues persist in the South East, say retailers

    Higher population density in the south-east?
    Nope, just a higher density of pillocks.....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The last 20 mins of football by City is some of the best I have ever seen
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308
    Carnyx said:

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
    But those must be blanks he's firing. No way could he hold it like that, the recoil on those Tyrannosaurus guns.

    He's probably pretending to fire at a Tamiya Panzer.
    The theory I have heard is that he is firing reduced power rounds with just enough punch to cycle the action.

    Blanks wouldn't work without a rather obvious blank adapter, surely?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Anyways. None of this comment alters the fact that Graham Stringer stated dyslexia was made up. And that he was talking utter bollocks. The rest is whataboutery.

    The Guardian seem happy to publish a piece suggesting that it’s a distinction without difference.
    I was ready to scoff at the statement that "dyslexia was made up" assuming that it was a clearly identifiable neurological impairment of the ability to perceive words. Did a bit of googling and read these https://ila.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rrq.333 https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.02873/full along with an article putting the "conventional" viewpoint http://www.ldonline.org/article/14907/. At the very least there is little agreement on definitions so Stringer's view that the term is covering up bad teaching practices isn't to be dismissed out of hand it seems, stated a bit dogmatically though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    edited October 2021
    .
    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    Your Morris Minor Traveller will need a service every 3000 miles too, so more work for the local mechanic, and the local carpenter.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,349
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    It's the 2024 manifesto :o
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,050
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180
    Fishing said:

    eek said:

    Fpt

    Fishing said:

    tlg86 said:

    The message I got from the Boris interview is that the government are actively creating inflation. Higher wages,higher taxes on employment, companies, lots of new taxes, more spending by government.

    This would also indicate higher interest rates.

    Will this hit prior to the next general election?

    I might have missed it, but your point - a very reasonable one - was not raised by Marr. It’s almost as though the media have forgotten about monetary policy.
    I think the country as a whole has forgotten the economic lessons that Mrs Thatcher taught it very painfully in the 1980s, not just monetary policy, but also supply side. In particular, the only way to prosperity is higher productivity, and the best way to higher productivity is competitive markets.

    Partly it's a generational thing, partly it's a very left wing academic establishment and broadcast media, and partly it's an increased focus on trivia like trans rights or statues ffs.

    Either way, we'll have to have a new Mrs Thatcher in a few years, when our decline, as opposed to stagnation, becomes even more obvious than it already is.
    Outr lack of productivity has limit level to do with politics.

    A combination of short sightedness (3 -12 months profit growth requirements) made cheap imported Labour a safer choice than investment in productivity improvements.
    I agree to some extent, but that's only one of a large number of factors, many interlinked and many to do with government

    - insufficient competition
    - poor infrastructure
    - poor skills and training
    - too much regulation
    - high taxation
    - barriers to entry
    - etc. etc.

    A government will have to address all of those and more and offend many interest groups in the process.
    Exactly.

    And no one has ever sufficiently explained why it was that German and Swiss companies, which had access to exactly that same supply of cheap labour, did invest.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Scott_xP said:

    I’m in America and it’s very interesting how news about the UK is reported without the bias of British newspapers or the nervousness of the BBC. Britain’s petrol crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit - this is just an accepted fact everywhere (except where it’s happening).
    https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1444658507987492867

    A German friend contacted me to ask how I was coping with the empty supermarket shelves. Told him it wasn't as bad as what he knew in East Germany.

    I think he was discombobulated by that response.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    Your Morris Minor Traveller will need a service every 3000 miles too, so more work for the local mechanic, and the local carpenter.
    Also public punishments, 5 minute trials (OK, one day for complex murder), stocks, pillory, hanging and burning at the stake to save money on courts and prisons.

    And Latin and Greek only languages permitted in schools.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC Breaking:

    Petrol problems "virtually over" in Scotland, northern England, and the Midlands - but issues persist in the South East, say retailers

    Higher population density in the south-east?
    More greedy selfish people as well
  • Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
    Turns out when I resigned my Conservative Party membership in 2019 I was the last free market Conservative.
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