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  • isam said:

    The last 20 mins of football by City is some of the best I have ever seen

    I was torn then. I had laid 0-0 at half time on Betfair ... Whoops! But as a Liverpool fan I was kind of relieved it was 0-0 at half time.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
    Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Scott_xP said:

    I’m in America and it’s very interesting how news about the UK is reported without the bias of British newspapers or the nervousness of the BBC. Britain’s petrol crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit - this is just an accepted fact everywhere (except where it’s happening).
    https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1444658507987492867

    Except that a lot of the US media is biased because, in their minds, Brexit and Trumpism is inevitably linked and so Brexit is inherently "bad". Try and find a pro-Brexit or even balanced piece in either the NYT or LA Times on Brexit.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Broad church v narrow sect. Starmer gets it, the don't buy The Sun cult don't.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2021
    Sir Keir last year -sticking up for Jezza and distancing himself from the Currant Bun - how things change

    https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1444404554632679439?s=20
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  • Turns out Andy Street declined to participate in the conference debate he was scheduled to take part in because it was an all male panel.
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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    edited October 2021
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Excellent; poetic in comparison to your more functional polling posts.

    But you have omitted one essential. Cricket - the sound of leather on willow.
  • Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
    Turns out when I resigned my Conservative Party membership in 2019 I was the last free market Conservative.
    Ahem! 😕

    I was still there until a couple of weeks ago. And I 100% disagree with the quoted passage, it's insanity.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    When I lived in both Wythall (Worcs) and Cradley (Herefordshire) we had bell ringing practice for Sunday on Wednesday evenings. True, the bells have gone from St. Mary's Wythall as it is now an office, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

    Just the hanging and flogging and the dream is complete.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Turns out Andy Street declined to participate in the conference debate he was scheduled to take part in because it was an all male panel.

    Couldn’t they have nominated an honorary female?
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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Turns out Andy Street declined to participate in the conference debate he was scheduled to take part in because it was an all male panel.

    Couldn’t they have nominated an honorary female?
    Couldn't he have self ID'd as one?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Brilliant.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854

    Carnyx said:

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
    But those must be blanks he's firing. No way could he hold it like that, the recoil on those Tyrannosaurus guns.

    He's probably pretending to fire at a Tamiya Panzer.
    The theory I have heard is that he is firing reduced power rounds with just enough punch to cycle the action.

    Blanks wouldn't work without a rather obvious blank adapter, surely?
    I thought for a moment it was single shot only but I was thinking of the contemporary competitor, the PTRD. The PTRS is gas operated and semiautomatic working off the barrel gases, and there is a manual gas regulator with three settings. Not recoil operated, but would there be enough pressure long enough?

    What I'm wondering is if therre is an exercise round with a frangible or wooden bullet and, as you say, reduced propellant load. Or just blanks.

    But my book on A/T rifles has hidden itself. Annoyingly this is out of print in book form else I would have got a copy by now and look it up - it's something that looks rather interesting:

    http://www.russianammo.org/
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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Brilliant.
    Sounds a bit like where I have just moved to! And we get IPSOS-MORI door knockers too!!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385

    Turns out Andy Street declined to participate in the conference debate he was scheduled to take part in because it was an all male panel.

    Bloody woke Tories.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    isam said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
    Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
    Surely this one comes close. So to help you along, why was there no Conference bounce for Starmer? Delete as applicable:
    a) Starmer is rubbish,
    b) the Labour Party are rubbish,
    c) Wayne Couzens hijacked the news agenda,
    d) Johnson is gorgeous.

    I'll go for b and c
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
    But those must be blanks he's firing. No way could he hold it like that, the recoil on those Tyrannosaurus guns.

    He's probably pretending to fire at a Tamiya Panzer.
    The theory I have heard is that he is firing reduced power rounds with just enough punch to cycle the action.

    Blanks wouldn't work without a rather obvious blank adapter, surely?
    I thought for a moment it was single shot only but I was thinking of the contemporary competitor, the PTRD. The PTRS is gas operated and semiautomatic working off the barrel gases, and there is a manual gas regulator with three settings. Not recoil operated, but would there be enough pressure long enough?

    What I'm wondering is if therre is an exercise round with a frangible or wooden bullet and, as you say, reduced propellant load. Or just blanks.

    But my book on A/T rifles has hidden itself. Annoyingly this is out of print in book form else I would have got a copy by now and look it up - it's something that looks rather interesting:

    http://www.russianammo.org/
    I thought that nearly no gas operated weapon would cycle with blanks and no adapter?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,308
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Brilliant.
    Interesting how much of that is the Green party manifesto, isn't it?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
    But those must be blanks he's firing. No way could he hold it like that, the recoil on those Tyrannosaurus guns.

    He's probably pretending to fire at a Tamiya Panzer.
    The theory I have heard is that he is firing reduced power rounds with just enough punch to cycle the action.

    Blanks wouldn't work without a rather obvious blank adapter, surely?
    I thought for a moment it was single shot only but I was thinking of the contemporary competitor, the PTRD. The PTRS is gas operated and semiautomatic working off the barrel gases, and there is a manual gas regulator with three settings. Not recoil operated, but would there be enough pressure long enough?

    What I'm wondering is if therre is an exercise round with a frangible or wooden bullet and, as you say, reduced propellant load. Or just blanks.

    But my book on A/T rifles has hidden itself. Annoyingly this is out of print in book form else I would have got a copy by now and look it up - it's something that looks rather interesting:

    http://www.russianammo.org/
    I thought that nearly no gas operated weapon would cycle with blanks and no adapter?
    Quite. But if there is a frangible bullet, even a wooden round, it should work.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
    Not until we've had the one about the non Conference bounce from Opinium - wait your turn
    Surely this one comes close. So to help you along, why was there no Conference bounce for Starmer? Delete as applicable:
    a) Starmer is rubbish,
    b) the Labour Party are rubbish,
    c) Wayne Couzens hijacked the news agenda,
    d) Johnson is gorgeous.

    I'll go for b and c
    You have removed two incorrect answers, now would you like to ask the audience or phone a friend?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Brilliant.
    Sounds a bit like where I have just moved to! And we get IPSOS-MORI door knockers too!!
    So brass knobs on 'n all.

  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    Johnson's Marr train wreck alluded to this unicorn too. I just thought it was Johnson winging it, but it looks like copper-bottomed policy. God help us.

    Any chance of a thread header?
    Turns out when I resigned my Conservative Party membership in 2019 I was the last free market Conservative.
    Ahem! 😕

    I was still there until a couple of weeks ago. And I 100% disagree with the quoted passage, it's insanity.
    This Free marketer resigned form the party about 3 months ago, there cant be many left now.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,528
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Does anyone know what "political message" was scrawled on Tulip Siddiq's vandalised car? I need to know whether it was my side or the other side before I condemn/ignore it. Thanks.

    Yes, the news was very coy about the content

    If it had been basic racism surely they would have said, and it would be bigger news?

    Was it internal Labour slanging? I don't know what side she is on, within the party. Or something to do with trans/LGB issues - she has asked questions in the House about "conversion therapy" -

    https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2020-09-23/94503
    She declined to say, because it would incite copycats, but I gather it was racist.
  • So is this Pandora Papers leak going to cause any grief for serving politicians? Lots of people wondering if they covered their tracks well enough?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    We are stuck behind a Sunday driver trying to get the car home before the battery dies after our alternating belt failed.

    Why are Sunday drivers so crap at driving? 50kph on a 100kph is infuriating.

    What you need is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsI3fHUOlQM

    this guys phone number
    But those must be blanks he's firing. No way could he hold it like that, the recoil on those Tyrannosaurus guns.

    He's probably pretending to fire at a Tamiya Panzer.
    The theory I have heard is that he is firing reduced power rounds with just enough punch to cycle the action.

    Blanks wouldn't work without a rather obvious blank adapter, surely?
    I thought for a moment it was single shot only but I was thinking of the contemporary competitor, the PTRD. The PTRS is gas operated and semiautomatic working off the barrel gases, and there is a manual gas regulator with three settings. Not recoil operated, but would there be enough pressure long enough?

    What I'm wondering is if therre is an exercise round with a frangible or wooden bullet and, as you say, reduced propellant load. Or just blanks.

    But my book on A/T rifles has hidden itself. Annoyingly this is out of print in book form else I would have got a copy by now and look it up - it's something that looks rather interesting:

    http://www.russianammo.org/
    I thought that nearly no gas operated weapon would cycle with blanks and no adapter?
    I would have though physics makes it pretty clear it's not a full force round. Equal and opposite reactions and all, the force pushing the gun back has to be equal to that that sends a heavy projectile streaking through the air at a speed sufficient to blow through steel armour.

    My money would be on it being a regular weapon that has been "dressed" to look like an anti-tank one.
  • For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    Age related data scaled to 100K

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    Malmesbury, thank you again for creating these, but, to me it looks like the data on the UK Gov website, for England has the 10-14 age group starting to dip form the 28 Sep. Link below. and that is a 7 day average, by specimen date. do you know why there is a discrepancy?

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854
    edited October 2021

    So is this Pandora Papers leak going to cause any grief for serving politicians? Lots of people wondering if they covered their tracks well enough?

    Hmm.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58780561

    Not just their own stashes (if, I hasten to add, any), but the failure to do anything useful about tax havens and tax dodging.

    Not a great look when one party is just about to raise NI and cut UC (OK, remove the temporary uplift, but the feel is the same).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,578
    After nearly a fifth of the season, Brentford are the second-highest London team.....
  • MANE!
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Lol

    Citeh
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180
    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
  • rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I just checked my local theatre to see what is going on. Under the Covid guidelines people are asked to remain masked at all times with the exception of the bar/food area. In the theatre there is currently a policy of keeping a space between people. They would also appreciate it if we would take a lateral flow test before visiting.

    I know the cinema is something similar in terms of masks etc. I was just wondering how specific to Wales this was or whether it's different in England.

    I’ve just been to the cinema in London - no masks to be seen except on the poster asking people to voluntarily wear masks…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,050
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.

    I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.

    However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
  • rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    We had our own amateur painter ballsing things up.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    I know why dyslexia is a thing, there is a bigger stigma around reading and writing. Far more people struggle with even basic maths, so it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

    And media luvvies seem to think that being rubbish at basic maths is a badge of honour rather than something to be embarrassed about.
    Which media luvvies boast of being bad at maths?
    Almost all of them. Sitting on a breakfast sofa or wherever letting the nation know how poor they are at maths and then the next one has to chip in and say how bad they are too.

    Happens all the time. Whenever there is a topic under discussion that requires a bit of adding up.
    I had a lunch recently where the bill was exactly £160, with two diners.

    We asked the waitress to split it, and she couldn't do the mental maths, and had to get her phone/calculator out.

    She was a humanities graduate from Bristol University. She didn't seem especially embarrassed, just offered a mild chuckle

    I bet she knows all about Mary Seacole and Black History, however
    It will be policy - the consequence of getting it wrong probably comes out of her pay
  • MANE!

    Foden
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    Pubs preserved in stead of being converted to dwelling houses (and no underage drinking, evidently, and presumably back to licensing hours) - that means statutory nationalisation like the Gothenbergs we had in Scotland.
  • rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
    And not sacking all the Jewish scientists who might have helped with the German atomic bomb. The Nazis really did believe their own propaganda.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
    The classic counter factual is for the Germans to fight the perfect campaign while their enemies make the same mistakes. Victory in Russia was possible if (a) no Greek delay, (b) more direct approach on Moscow, and (c) an appreciation of just how bad the winter could be, and to prepare for it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
    That would be winning the Franco-German War 1939-40, and the outcome of that is in the name.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.

    I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.

    However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
    The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
  • MANE!

    Foden
    Salah!
  • Mo SALAH!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    edited October 2021

    rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
    The classic counter factual is for the Germans to fight the perfect campaign while their enemies make the same mistakes. Victory in Russia was possible if (a) no Greek delay, (b) more direct approach on Moscow, and (c) an appreciation of just how bad the winter could be, and to prepare for it.
    Russia is a big place, and the Red Army could have kept falling back, so when and how would victory be declared? Hitler faced the same problem with Britain in 1940. Our army had been routed, its artillery abandoned, so how come we were still in the war?
  • What a goal by Salah
  • "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
    That would be winning the Franco-German War 1939-40, and the outcome of that is in the name.
    Blitzkrieg?

    He'd have controlled most of mainland Europe if he had consolidated his victory.

    Pearl Harbour was the doozy for both the Japanese and Germans.

    No German declaration of war and FDR won't go a Germany First approach.
  • "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    Indeed but seems a labour mp was at a conference bar last night
  • HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.

    I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.

    However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
    The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
    Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    rcs1000 said:

    For any historians, the Telegraph is plugging talks by William Hague, Andrew Roberts and General Petraeus on George III, William Pitt and whether Britain could have won the American War of Independence.

    That would be very interesting.

    I saw Andrew Roberts talk once on whether the Germans could have won the Second World War, and he was very persuasive. (Although, of course, it would have required Hitler to not be Hitler. So, it's quite a counterfactual.)
    No invading Russia, no plans to invade the UK, and no declaration of war on America was my theory on how Hitler could have won WWII.
    The classic counter factual is for the Germans to fight the perfect campaign while their enemies make the same mistakes. Victory in Russia was possible if (a) no Greek delay, (b) more direct approach on Moscow, and (c) an appreciation of just how bad the winter could be, and to prepare for it.
    Russia is a big place, and the Red Army could have kept falling back, so when and how would victory be declared? Hitler faced the same problem with Britain in 1940. Our army had been routed, its artillery abandoned, so how come we were still in the war?
    True but Moscow was a key objective. Much soviet manufacturing was moved to the east, but crucially there is not much in the vast space. A defensive line on the Volga as an end point was plausible.
    Of course you can also add in in treating the people you have invaded better, but that was never the point of the nazi state.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    This is some game...
  • De Bruyne
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    "In related news, a senior Labour MP was spotted by a co-conspirator chatting with two Mail on Sunday hacks and three senior Tory advisors at a conference bar last night…"

    I don't get it; the co-conspirator grassed up their mate?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,578
    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
  • moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
    It would still be amusing
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,050
    edited October 2021
    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Why would he defect? He has zero chance of becoming Tory leader, even if Boris goes Sunak or Truss would be lead replacements. However if Starmer went and he was elected as an MP again he would be top replacement as Labour leader and that is thus his only route to becoming PM
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    isam said:

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    "In related news, a senior Labour MP was spotted by a co-conspirator chatting with two Mail on Sunday hacks and three senior Tory advisors at a conference bar last night…"

    I don't get it; the co-conspirator grassed up their mate?
    Given it was at a bar the co-conspirator could be anyone, not necessarily a friend.
  • HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Why would he defect? He has zero chance of becoming Tory leader, even if Boris goes Sunak or Truss would be lead replacements, however if Starmer went he would be top replacement as Labour leader and that is thus his only route to becoming PM
    You need a sense of humour
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    edited October 2021
    isam said:

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    "In related news, a senior Labour MP was spotted by a co-conspirator chatting with two Mail on Sunday hacks and three senior Tory advisors at a conference bar last night…"

    I don't get it; the co-conspirator grassed up their mate?
    “Co-conspirator” = Guido’s source. It’s the style he uses.

    Probably a Tory MP or SpAd.
  • rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
    Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
    He can't though.

    The moment he becomes an MP he ceases to be Mayor of Manchester.

    It is the law.
  • rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
    Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
    He can't though.

    The moment he becomes an MP he ceases to be Mayor of Manchester.

    It is the law.
    That doesn't mean he can't do anything Robert said.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    That was one of the best football matches I have ever seen - a lovely Autumn day
  • Disappointing result. Might have taken that at half-time, but after twice being ahead its disappointing.

    Entertaining game though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.

    I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.

    However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
    Well, the last sentence does at least demonstrate you have excellent taste in TV.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    edited October 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
    Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
    He only got re-elected this year, he'd jump ship so soon? (never mind the rest of it :))
  • A whistleblower at Facebook will say that thousands of pages of internal company research she turned over to federal regulators proves the social media giant is deceptively claiming effectiveness in its efforts to eradicate hate and misinformation and it contributed to the January 6 attack on the Capitol in Washington DC.

    The former employee is set to air her claims and reveal her identity in an interview airing Sunday night on CBS 60 Minutes ahead of a scheduled appearance at a Senate hearing on Tuesday.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/03/facebook-whistleblower-capitol-attack
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    All MPs are senior when referred to in newspapers and other media. Or they are 'leading'.

    Worst case scenario is they are 'prominent', meaning the writer can just about say they are known, but not pretend anyone cares about them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.

    I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.

    However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
    Well, the last sentence does at least demonstrate you have excellent taste in TV.
    Reading this thread got me wondering. Isn’t it now time for a male Miss Marple?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
    No, that is my dream Tory Party
    Oh.

    I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
    It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.

    Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
    Of course.

    People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.

    People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.

    And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
    I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.

    I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.

    However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
    Well, the last sentence does at least demonstrate you have excellent taste in TV.
    Reading this thread got me wondering. Isn’t it now time for a male Miss Marple?
    Agatha Christie wrote one herself in The Moving Finger.

    Mind you, it’s a pretty homophobic depiction…
  • Disappointing result. Might have taken that at half-time, but after twice being ahead its disappointing.

    Entertaining game though.

    It was fantastic football and Liverpool were very lucky not to be down to 10 men

    Fair result in the end
  • HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Shoot. Me. Now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    Charles said:

    I just checked my local theatre to see what is going on. Under the Covid guidelines people are asked to remain masked at all times with the exception of the bar/food area. In the theatre there is currently a policy of keeping a space between people. They would also appreciate it if we would take a lateral flow test before visiting.

    I know the cinema is something similar in terms of masks etc. I was just wondering how specific to Wales this was or whether it's different in England.

    I’ve just been to the cinema in London - no masks to be seen except on the poster asking people to voluntarily wear masks…
    My local Tesco no longer seems to have a 'please wear a mask' sign out front so I didn't bother, though there was a fair number who did.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.

    Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
  • Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.

    Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
    I am very sceptical but I can say with certainty it will not be any of those mps
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420

    Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.

    Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
    Glory be. Just when I thought the average IQ of the PCP couldn’t possibly go lower.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.

    Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
    Even the Conservatives have some standards!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
    Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
    That would tick all the boxes for BJO.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Ha! Still missing the frolicking gayily that I would expect. Or at least merry gambolling.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited October 2021
    This will be news to many who have spent 18 months assuring me of the opposite:

    "Amid mounting pressure, Ardern has said her strategy was never to have zero cases"


    https://twitter.com/anapecalleddave/status/1444654521360297989?s=21
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Ha! Still missing the frolicking gayily that I would expect. Or at least merry gambolling.
    There will be no "frolicking gaily" in our brave new return to the 1950s
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Shoot. Me. Now.
    That's the step after the imposition of that pastiche of rural England onto the masses.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Absolute state of this.

    Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.

    “I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:

    I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.

    It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.


    https://bit.ly/3a06NUX

    I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
    That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a non chain pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenagers pick hops and strawberries in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
    Ha! Still missing the frolicking gayily that I would expect. Or at least merry gambolling.
    There will be no "frolicking gaily" in our brave new return to the 1950s
    It would be a bit queer if there was.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    Sandpit said:

    Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.

    Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
    Even the Conservatives have some standards!
    That might be worse, as it shows the lowest level of duffers were deemed acceptable, rather than sneaking in because there was no cut off.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,180

    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    .

    "a senior Labour MP"? 🤔

    Definitions of senior may vary.
    It would be amusing if Burnham was a defector
    Burnham is not an MP....
    Burnham's plan is to get back into the Commons in a safe Labour seat at a by-election later this year, then to challenge Stamer for the leadership, wresting it from him in early 2022, before defecting to the Tories and and winning the Conservative leadership contest in late 2023. He then leads the Tories to a 200 seat majority in 2024.
    He can't though.

    The moment he becomes an MP he ceases to be Mayor of Manchester.

    It is the law.
    I think that is the least of the problems with my scenario.
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