Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Graham Stringer is 71 - would he want to standing 2024
Certainly not. At 74 he'll be eyeing a run for POTUS, surely. ;-)
Is it really the time to trust a younger man for the job?
Can someone tell me why these Labour MPs who are so close to the Tories that they're prepared to defect to them, didn't defect from Corbyn's Labour two years ago?
Can someone tell me why these Labour MPs who are so close to the Tories that they're prepared to defect to them, didn't defect from Corbyn's Labour two years ago?
Can someone tell me why these Labour MPs who are so close to the Tories that they're prepared to defect to them, didn't defect from Corbyn's Labour two years ago?
Can someone tell me why these Labour MPs who are so close to the Tories that they're prepared to defect to them, didn't defect from Corbyn's Labour two years ago?
As unanswerable as why they are reportedly angry that Keir cannot do better against the government so they would...join the government benches.
Can someone tell me why these Labour MPs who are so close to the Tories that they're prepared to defect to them, didn't defect from Corbyn's Labour two years ago?
They thought they might retain their seats?
They may have felt that Corbyn would lose then things would get better for Labour - and be disillusioned that if there is no better future coming up what are they waiting for?
Ash Sarkar @AyoCaesar · 30m Cressida Dick must resign - and every craven politician who backed her, including those in supposedly progressive Labour, should be ashamed.
Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
It wouldn't count against him. It doesn't matter that he's a Scouser, he's the twice-elected Mayor of Manchester. If they're winning to look past that for the Mayor, I'm sure they'll be willing to look past it for an MP.
There is a fair bit of that seat which is in Salford. They don't like people from Liverpool.
And yet they've voted for him?
I don't think they're that bovvered.
Well. GM Is far more than Salford and North Manchester.
It may not be a big issue but it's a big Man-U supporting area and they generally don't like Liverpool.
Can someone tell me why these Labour MPs who are so close to the Tories that they're prepared to defect to them, didn't defect from Corbyn's Labour two years ago?
If we were to get any defections (we won't), can we get the politicians to shortcut the argument about how they should resign their seat and fight a by-election? We all know whether to call for it is guided by self interest and only UKIP dared do it, and that the big two would switch positions on the subject if they were to benefit, so just do it in 5 minutes and move on.
Thing is, Ukip didn’t “dare to do it”. They understood that there was a lot to gain from a by-election. The lot that left Labour and the Tories during the 2017-19 parliament were to dumb to understand that they should risk it for the sake of publicity.
Indeed. Had the TIGgers had a by-election hold that could have been quite some TIGger bounce as a result.
100% of the UKIP defectors won their by-election, then 50% held onto their seats at the following election.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
I love Jeremy Brett’s Holmes, they are go to’s on my Sky Q
Jeremy Brett is certainly by far the most authentic of the great Sherlocks. Basil Rathbone is perhaps the most amusing, and Nigel Bruce was a brilliant comic foil for him. And Benedict Cumberbatch was a good modern portrayal, though let down by some weird scripts.
I liked Rupert Everett in the role. Xmas tv special 2004.
If we were to get any defections (we won't), can we get the politicians to shortcut the argument about how they should resign their seat and fight a by-election? We all know whether to call for it is guided by self interest and only UKIP dared do it, and that the big two would switch positions on the subject if they were to benefit, so just do it in 5 minutes and move on.
Thing is, Ukip didn’t “dare to do it”. They understood that there was a lot to gain from a by-election. The lot that left Labour and the Tories during the 2017-19 parliament were to dumb to understand that they should risk it for the sake of publicity.
Indeed. Had the TIGgers had a by-election hold that could have been quite some TIGger bounce as a result.
100% of the UKIP defectors won their by-election, then 50% held onto their seats at the following election.
0% of TIGgers held on. They flunked it.
They messed the whole thing up, delays, expectations management. Were they waiting for a big gun (sorry, Cukka) I sometimes wonder how close Yvette was to joining them.
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
Of course, the question I posed earlier still arises. What about when those who work for the government demand higher wages? And who are the people who will do the training? Yet to see either answered.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
That will be next. A guarantee of a community shop, a pub, a church with BCP Eucharist, farming markets and a bobby on the beat in every town and village in this country. The chance for parents to ballot to reopen grammars in their local area if they wish and no excess building in the greenbelt. Elgar wafting across the meadow on summer evenings as local teenages pick hops in the fields and down ginger beer on summer evenings, Miss Marple on the drama channel (Joan Hickson version of course)....
HYUFD, are you actually being sarcastically critical of..... The Tory Party?!
No, that is my dream Tory Party
Oh.
I thought you were being wonderfully satirical.
It's when one can't tell the difference that one really has to worry.
Yet look more closely,, all the intervention needed to interfere with the free market to produce that image.
Of course.
People watching football, and not cricket. Tax football! Subsidise cricket.
People not going to the right kind of church. Close it down.
And God forbid anyone should think of remaking Miss Marple. That would require specific legislation. It might even deserve to be a capital crime.
I would certainly encourage more cricket, certainly in the summer.
I have no problem with other non Anglican churches as long as there is still a Church of England church in every Parish offering a BCP service.
However my goodness I agree remakes of Miss Marple since Joan Hickson have been nothing short of heretical
The danger of both Hickson’s and Suchet’s canonical depiction of Marple and Poirot is that nothing can ever be better. And thus we see Marple sexed up (worldly in a different way to the original idea, where Marple knows the world because she knows the village so well, and everything in the world is seen in village life. Or Poirot as itv recently did. You cannot just remake them, you have to be different, and for me, don’t bother.
Likewise Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, who has since had to be reimagined into 21st Century London or New York, or as a doctor in House.
Jeremy Brett was THE definitive film/tv portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. The rest before - and after - do NOT measure up.
Was particularly unimpressed by Benedict Cumberback's efforts. Don't know if it was him or the writing - likely both.
PLUS the fact he ain't in Jeremy Brett's league. But them, as Sherlock, who is?
John Wood. Brett was too hammy.
Brett was brilliant as Holmes - the 'hammy' aspect seemed to match the books IMO. Holmes always seemed to have a sense of the theatric.
I do wonder if Brett's bipolar disorder and other tragic malaises gave his performances a very Holmesian aspect as well. The Holmes of the books was frequently not a very well man - although most of his malaises were of his own making - starving himself, not caring for himself, opium addictions etc.
But none of that happens. Starving himself would be Mrs Hudson falling down on the job, he takes cocaine and morphine when bored but is not an addict - he is only pretending to be one when W finds him in an opium den.
If I remember correctly, in one of the books Holmes states that his critical faculties are enhanced if he des not eat whilst on a case.
As for opium addiction: my *impression* from the books - and Dr Watson's comments - that opium was present in his life far too much at times.
Also the ‘seven percent solution’ * of cocaine - which Watson oddly refers to as ‘his only vice’.
*The title of a strange seventies movie with the great Nicol Williamson as Holmes.
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
Of course, the question I posed earlier still arises. What about when those who work for the government demand higher wages? And who are the people who will do the training? Yet to see either answered.
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Well we all knew more than that from the MoS last night.
Name names! I do hope Richard Burgon, RLB and Lavery are unveiled as Conservative MPs tomorrow. Although they might have second thoughts if they saw Johnson on Marr today.
Guido a bit unconvincing. If he has information about a senior Labour MP from someone who happened to see the person it isn't confidential but he names no names. This story isn't standing up ATM.
Graham Stringer is a great call from Mr Ed. I am now convinced the story is true.
This is a phenomenal coup for Johnson.
Ah thanks @Mexicanpete - I haven't seen anything yet saying he has gone over but, if the DM story is true (and that is another question in itself), I would be shocked if Stringer is not one of the three.
Interesting, though, if he is defecting and decides not to stand again, then it opens the way for one...Andy Burnham.
However, if you want to take things to a different level, how about this - Stringer defects, and then puts himself up for re-election in a by-election. Given it's a Manchester seat, both Burnham and Labour have to decide what to do - Burnham to stand and Labour to select him if he stood. If Burnham didn't stand, I reckon his leadership hopes might be hit badly. But would Starmer want Burnham back in the Commons? And would Burnham anyway win a by-election - Stringer is popular and pro-Brexit, like his seat, plus Burnham is a scouser (before anyone says, his old seat Leigh is not considered to be Manchester - it's halfway between Liverpool and Manchester).
Leigh is not Manchester and its certainly not Wigan* but it is within Greater Manchester.
* Tell someone from Leigh they're from Wigan and you're likely to walk away with a black eye.
I know, it is a bit like Newcastle and Sunderland. My point was it's not Manchester in case anyone tried to say "ah yes, but Burnham's background shouldn't count against him".
It wouldn't count against him. It doesn't matter that he's a Scouser, he's the twice-elected Mayor of Manchester. If they're winning to look past that for the Mayor, I'm sure they'll be willing to look past it for an MP.
There is a fair bit of that seat which is in Salford. They don't like people from Liverpool.
And yet they've voted for him?
I don't think they're that bovvered.
Well. GM Is far more than Salford and North Manchester.
It may not be a big issue but it's a big Man-U supporting area and they generally don't like Liverpool.
For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York. He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land. His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
He’s right, I think that’s what we voted for and it keeps Brexit voters onside.
For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York. He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land. His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
"Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool"
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
People love murder mysteries.
Genius detective who is an arsehole, but compelling, so gets to be as rude as we wish we could get away with.
The key to these series is that the "whodunit?" is secondary to the characterisation of the detectives and their interactions.
Thank god for that because I never know what is going on. For a start all characters should be made to walk around with name tags on them and they should all look very different because I get very confused. Colour coding would help me.
Undercover police to patrol bars and clubs under plans to help protect women in wake of Sarah Everard’s death Plain clothes officers will seek to actively identify predatory and suspicious offenders in the night time economy.
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
We've debated in a serious way on here about whether labour constraints will actually lead to higher wages. But for Johnson it's just a story, so he can turn something that is rightly perceived by the public as bad - shortages - into something that he can say is necessarily good and part of his master plan. But if there weren't the shortages he wouldn't have come up with this story.
Why do people continue to try to troll the Tory conference? Stuff like that or hanging banners to tell them to get out, it just gives the Tories a chance to talk about showing respect to opponents, and creates awkward questions for those trying to oppose the Tories.
It's classic performative politics which makes someone feel better but hurts their cause.
For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York. He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land. His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
"Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool"
Why do people continue to try to troll the Tory conference? Stuff like that or hanging banners to tell them to get out, it just gives the Tories a chance to talk about showing respect to opponents, and creates awkward questions for those trying to oppose the Tories.
It's classic performative politics which makes someone feel better but hurts their cause.
Because they're thick as two short planks.
Its why they have the politics that they have too.
For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York. He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land. His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
"Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool"
LOL!
On that logic Jesus was a horse.
More believable than that immaculate conception story.
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
We've debated in a serious way on here about whether labour constraints will actually lead to higher wages. But for Johnson it's just a story, so he can turn something that is rightly perceived by the public as bad - shortages - into something that he can say is necessarily good and part of his master plan. But if there weren't the shortages he wouldn't have come up with this story.
Indeed. And of course it is a potential Brexit Dividend he can point to. Which was bound to happen, since there were potential upsides numbering in the hundreds that various people have predicted over the years. There was a good chance one of them would actually occur.
For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York. He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land. His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
"Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool"
LOL!
Very hard to know I admit. I was born in Wallasey, lived there till I was 33. Moved to Crosby. Worked twenty years in the city centre. Am I a Scouser (I think of myself as one and certainly during University I got the 'Scouser' joke daily, but who knows.....)?
I think this week we are at a political crossroads.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
We've debated in a serious way on here about whether labour constraints will actually lead to higher wages. But for Johnson it's just a story, so he can turn something that is rightly perceived by the public as bad - shortages - into something that he can say is necessarily good and part of his master plan. But if there weren't the shortages he wouldn't have come up with this story.
Indeed. And of course it is a potential Brexit Dividend he can point to. Which was bound to happen, since there were potential upsides numbering in the hundreds that various people have predicted over the years. There was a good chance one of them would actually occur.
I think Stuart Rose was an early proponent of increased cost fron increasex wages post Brexit. Probably the best day campaigning Leave had.
For the nth time. Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York. He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land. His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
"Andy Burnham is not a Scouser!! He was born in Liverpool"
LOL!
Very hard to know I admit. I was born in Wallasey, lived there till I was 33. Moved to Crosby. Worked twenty years in the city centre. Am I a Scouser (I think of myself as one and certainly during University I got the 'Scouser' joke daily, but who knows.....)?
Damned sight more of one than Burnham. He doesn’t even sound close to one.
Question this late Sunday night. Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak? I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....
Question this late Sunday night. Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak? I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....
Usually they manage to keep a veil over it. Perhaps you’d prefer the media to ignore it all ?
Question this late Sunday night. Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak? I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....
Well, even so such things are still newsworthy once known, but at a glance the initial story isn't really setting my outrage radars off for something too dramatic.
Question this late Sunday night. Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak? I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....
It’s a Guardian/Panorama exclusive in the UK I think, so they are trying to get their money’s worth.
Chris Loder, a Tory MP, has told a fringe meeting that it would be a good thing to destroy supermarket supply chains, even if it causes short-term problems.
“I think actually one great opportunity we have from the issues we see at the moment is actually for some of these supermarket supply chains to crumble,” Loder, who was first elected MP for West Dorset in 2019, told a fringe meeting on farming at the party’s conference in Manchester, arguing that Brexit was not to blame for the problems. He went on:
I know it might not feel like it in the immediate term. But it is in our mid and long-term interest that these logistics chains do break.
It will mean that the farmer down the street will be able to sell their milk in the village shop like they did decades ago. It is because these commercial predators – that is the supermarkets – have wiped that out and I’d like to see that come back.
I agree. He missed out the bit about warm beers and old ladies cycling to Evensong. Careless oversight.
Your Morris Minor Traveller will need a service every 3000 miles too, so more work for the local mechanic, and the local carpenter.
Servicing a Minor should take 15 minutes and cost about £20. On modern oils, and optical pickup dizzy you're good for about 10k mile intervals anyway.
(I've a 2 door moggy with a 1.9 Peugeot Xud9 half fitted to it. If it ever gets finished, it's going to be the ultimate commuting car - fast, interesting, comfortable, and insanely cheap to run).
Christ! I hate Sherlock Holmes as well. Just don't get it.
But the Cumberbatch series gave us in the recently departed Una Stubbs a Mrs Hudson for the ages…
I don't like Cumberbatch as an actor really. The only thing he was any good in was the one where he played Turing. And the creepy paedo in that other film with Keira Knightley. In everything else he seems to me to be too mannered.
Don't much like Keira either, as an actress. And she has too many teeth for her mouth.
I like Cumberbatch, but there's something about his performances where I feel I can always tell it is him acting, if that makes any sense. Like, I loved his Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness, and other performances, but it was very much 'Cumberbatch doing X'.
On Knightley, I only know two people with really strong opinions on her, both women, and both dislike her with almost the same mention of teeth as you, weird.
That's exactly what I mean about Cumberbatch. I can see him acting. Whereas with really good actors they are the character. You don't notice how they do it.
I find it hard to get past Keira's teeth. And she is far too thin. Positively anorexic. When I see her on screen I keep wondering why someone with all those teeth can't apparently manage to eat a square meal. Very unkind of me I'm sure.
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Cressida Dick must resign - and every craven politician who backed her, including those in supposedly progressive Labour, should be ashamed.
And they keep voting for him.
If it's only him, I think Starmer can live with that.
100% of the UKIP defectors won their by-election, then 50% held onto their seats at the following election.
0% of TIGgers held on. They flunked it.
I sometimes wonder how close Yvette was to joining them.
Johnson has totally doubled down on the message he wants to send this conference: Brexit was about an economic reboot and about dealing with low wages, low productivity and migration. The migration causes the low wages.
The cost of living crisis is down to our use of migrant labour which is no longer coming.
Every question he gets on supply crisis he responds with higher wages, train "our people", productivity, automation etc etc.
Sounds a lot like no pain no gain to me...
Let's see where we are in a couple of years time eh?
What about when those who work for the government demand higher wages?
And who are the people who will do the training?
Yet to see either answered.
*The title of a strange seventies movie with the great Nicol Williamson as Holmes.
* non an MP I know but would seem fairly comfortable in a SKS-led party
2 We have thousands of redundant experts
(And FWIW Burnham is an Evertonian)
He was born in Liverpool, but the PM was born in New York.
He grew up in Culcheth, which is between Warrington and Leigh. And went to school in Newton-le-Willows. This does not come close to being Scouse Land.
His not having a Scouse accent is probably quite a clue.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/03/ira-brighton-bombing-banner-spotted-tory-party-conference-manchester/
He was born in Liverpool"
LOL!
Undercover police to patrol bars and clubs under plans to help protect women in wake of Sarah Everard’s death
Plain clothes officers will seek to actively identify predatory and suspicious offenders in the night time economy.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/undercover-police-nightclubs-bars-protect-women-sarah-everard-b924306.html
It's classic performative politics which makes someone feel better but hurts their cause.
Its why they have the politics that they have too.
Which was bound to happen, since there were potential upsides numbering in the hundreds that various people have predicted over the years.
There was a good chance one of them would actually occur.
I was born in Wallasey, lived there till I was 33. Moved to Crosby.
Worked twenty years in the city centre. Am I a Scouser (I think of myself as one and certainly during University I got the 'Scouser' joke daily, but who knows.....)?
Probably the best day campaigning Leave had.
Why is the BBC wetting itself over this latest Panama papers leak?
I mean, rich and powerful people doing rich and powerful things (whilst almost certainly breaking the rules) is hardly news. It's happened for the last six thousand years.....
This guy has, I think, an election next week.
Not the ideal run up to it:
https://twitter.com/Ian_Willoughby/status/1444713460365922308
(I've a 2 door moggy with a 1.9 Peugeot Xud9 half fitted to it. If it ever gets finished, it's going to be the ultimate commuting car - fast, interesting, comfortable, and insanely cheap to run).
I find it hard to get past Keira's teeth. And she is far too thin. Positively anorexic. When I see her on screen I keep wondering why someone with all those teeth can't apparently manage to eat a square meal. Very unkind of me I'm sure.