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Now Smarkets has a market on a LOCAL council by-election – politicalbetting.com

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edited September 30 in General
imageNow Smarkets has a market on a LOCAL council by-election – politicalbetting.com

We have reported on one or two innovative moves by the Smarkets betting exchange ever since Shady switched from Ladbrokes to the exchange which is seeking to take on Betfair.

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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,969
    Test
  • "Shady" Shadsy is often ahead of the game.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,691
    FPT:
    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,177
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718
    Crimes like this Couzens one really make me question my liberal opposition to corporal and capital punishment.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,963
    Yes, being the family of the offender must be nearly as heartbreaking as the family of the victim in a case like this. Hope everyone around this case has good support in place.

    An horrific crime, for which thankfully the correct sentence appears to have been passed today.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,691
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 33,952
    Not exactly stellar, but interesting nonetheless.

    Harris's poll numbers rise as Biden's fall
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574604-harriss-poll-numbers-rise-as-bidens-fall
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,177
    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I don't see anything of the sort in the article.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,691
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I'm almost wish the story was that kids were rotters :(

    Callous Wayne Couzens took his wife and children to play at the woods where he had burned Sarah Everard's body two days earlier on a family trip out.

    On the way there they had stopped at a service station where he had calmly bought a Lucozade after raping and murdering her.

    Hours later his two children played happily in grass and overgrowth at Hoad Woods in Kent. Just yards away was the lake where Couzens had dumped Miss Everard's burned body in waste bags.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,177
    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I'm almost wish the story was that kids were rotters :(

    Callous Wayne Couzens took his wife and children to play at the woods where he had burned Sarah Everard's body two days earlier on a family trip out.

    On the way there they had stopped at a service station where he had calmly bought a Lucozade after raping and murdering her.

    Hours later his two children played happily in grass and overgrowth at Hoad Woods in Kent. Just yards away was the lake where Couzens had dumped Miss Everard's burned body in waste bags.
    Ok. Grim but not what I feared. Twisted stuff, and I felt better not knowing it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,691
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I'm almost wish the story was that kids were rotters :(

    Callous Wayne Couzens took his wife and children to play at the woods where he had burned Sarah Everard's body two days earlier on a family trip out.

    On the way there they had stopped at a service station where he had calmly bought a Lucozade after raping and murdering her.

    Hours later his two children played happily in grass and overgrowth at Hoad Woods in Kent. Just yards away was the lake where Couzens had dumped Miss Everard's burned body in waste bags.
    Ok. Grim but not what I feared. Twisted stuff, and I felt better not knowing it.
    Well if you hadn't libelled the Mail, I wouldn't have felt the need to share the text.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,177
    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I'm almost wish the story was that kids were rotters :(

    Callous Wayne Couzens took his wife and children to play at the woods where he had burned Sarah Everard's body two days earlier on a family trip out.

    On the way there they had stopped at a service station where he had calmly bought a Lucozade after raping and murdering her.

    Hours later his two children played happily in grass and overgrowth at Hoad Woods in Kent. Just yards away was the lake where Couzens had dumped Miss Everard's burned body in waste bags.
    Ok. Grim but not what I feared. Twisted stuff, and I felt better not knowing it.
    Well if you hadn't libelled the Mail, I wouldn't have felt the need to share the text.
    You what? "Libelled the Mail"?
    I asked a question. Wind your neck in FFS.
  • Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    No they are not!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,708
    Changing the subject to something slightly more upbeat - glad to see the 1st dose vaccination number is still in the 20-40k range. Edging upwards re uptake %. Obvs would like it to go faster, but at least it is still going.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 20,858
    From a former policewoman - on the WATO today. Women police officers won't speak up because the men "close ranks".

    https://twitter.com/kateemccann/status/1443552130007248897?s=21
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718
    Nigelb said:

    Not exactly stellar, but interesting nonetheless.

    Harris's poll numbers rise as Biden's fall
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574604-harriss-poll-numbers-rise-as-bidens-fall

    I think the US is largely screwed. Think there will be a constitutional crisis in 2024.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 8,811
    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I'm almost wish the story was that kids were rotters :(

    Callous Wayne Couzens took his wife and children to play at the woods where he had burned Sarah Everard's body two days earlier on a family trip out.

    On the way there they had stopped at a service station where he had calmly bought a Lucozade after raping and murdering her.

    Hours later his two children played happily in grass and overgrowth at Hoad Woods in Kent. Just yards away was the lake where Couzens had dumped Miss Everard's burned body in waste bags.
    Ok. Grim but not what I feared. Twisted stuff, and I felt better not knowing it.
    Probably setting up potential DNA evidence excuse.
  • Also I'll say it again.

    If you ever get arrested/detained/questioned by the rozzers always have legal representation.

    Never accept a caution.
  • Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    What do you think?
    I think nothing is beneath the Mail, but common sense sometimes wins out. Hence the question.
    I take it that they are, then. Awful behaviour. Throwing children under the bus for clicks is really low.
    I'm almost wish the story was that kids were rotters :(

    Callous Wayne Couzens took his wife and children to play at the woods where he had burned Sarah Everard's body two days earlier on a family trip out.

    On the way there they had stopped at a service station where he had calmly bought a Lucozade after raping and murdering her.

    Hours later his two children played happily in grass and overgrowth at Hoad Woods in Kent. Just yards away was the lake where Couzens had dumped Miss Everard's burned body in waste bags.
    Ok. Grim but not what I feared. Twisted stuff, and I felt better not knowing it.
    Probably setting up potential DNA evidence excuse.
    There was a case a few years ago where a man raped a woman in a park, a couple of days later he went back with his girlfriend, had sex in the park, and tried to explain why his semen and dna might be found in the park.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Judge's sentencing remarks.

    https://twitter.com/judiciaryuk/status/1443533593251307522?s=21

    This crime was carefully planned.

    Read paragraph 19 if nothing else.

    Yep, he is spot on.
    I see he didn't have any reservations aboutd the investigating police - but those would have been a different unit from PC Couzens's anyway.

    Para 27 - in fact high praise from him.
    It is standard for the judge to praise the police at the end of major investigations. And they certainly did a good job here. It is though the very minimum we should expect.
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Judge's sentencing remarks.

    https://twitter.com/judiciaryuk/status/1443533593251307522?s=21

    This crime was carefully planned.

    It is just inconceivable that this was a first offence. They should be cross checking any prostitutes that have been raped or killed on his beats very carefully.
    I'm not sure about this. It didn't take all that long for the murder team to track him down and solve the case. He didn't exactly do a good job at hiding his actions.
    Only because he gave his police phone number to the hire car company. A curious mistake to make for someone who did so much other planning. Especially as he would have known that running a telephone number through the police computer would have been the first thing the police would do.

    I think there is more to this particular aspect.
    You clearly think he had an accomplice in the Met, which is deeply worrying if true.
    I think it needs looking into. If only to eliminate the possibility of there being someone prepared to cover for police wrongdoers. How do you think all those corrupt policemen in the past got away with it. Because they had mates who turned a blind eye or covered up. Look at the number of officers who have been investigated for other crimes of sexual abuse against women in the Met.

    It is possible Couzens was simply arrogant. But it's odd. He did not make any other mistakes. So why this obvious one, one which he surely knew about?

    He also has not talked to the police at all. So we don't know the entirety of what happened on the journey.
    FPT - I saw a report somewhere this morning - the Guardian? - that there were a dozen or so disciplinary charges pending against Met police. But it hgas been updated. I can't find it now, or ocnfirm whether this was in general or specific to the Couzens case.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 33,952
    Petrol shortage: No improvement in fuel supplies
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58747281
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488
    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    It was reported in the sentencing remarks. He took his children to play in the area where he burnt and buried poor Sarah's body. It is not getting at the children. It shows what a thoroughly evil man Couzens is.

    I hope his wife and children change their name. They too are victims of this awful tragedy.
    Is that not a counter-forensic strategy? To explain any botanical and geological (mud etc) evidence on and in the car and clothing.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718
    Cyclefree said:

    From a former policewoman - on the WATO today. Women police officers won't speak up because the men "close ranks".

    https://twitter.com/kateemccann/status/1443552130007248897?s=21

    There needs to be much more serious consequences for police officers protecting/not reporting suspicious incidents from colleagues.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 20,858
    Anyway Husband is having his barium swallow on Monday which is impressively quick. He can still feel something wrong with his throat so I hope this will get to the bottom of it.

    He has been very Eeyore-ish in recent days about it all.

    So having to reorganise our travel plans.
  • I might be a curse for the police.

    I live in South Yorkshire, home of the worst police force in the country, (Rotherham, Hillsborough, and Orgreave) and work (and occasionally live) in Manchester.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-58748613
  • Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488
    Also for some more positive news -

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/29/fossilised-hell-heron-dinosaur-unearthed-on-the-isle-of-wight

    NB the way in which the collectors cooperated to donate bits found at different times to the local museum to enable them to be brought together and researched for publication.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,698
    Aslan said:

    Crimes like this Couzens one really make me question my liberal opposition to corporal and capital punishment.

    Me too, and then I think of the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4, Stefan Kisko and living in Wales the outrageous behaviour of South Wales Police in the Lynnette White case. Those men would have been hanged on totally fictional evidence from detectives.

    But I did think twice on reading the ordeal Ms Everard was put through. Good opportunity for Priti, as I am sure many many people normally opposed are very angry. It would be a fantastic election opportunity for her in the event of Government popularity waning.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 20,858
    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Judge's sentencing remarks.

    https://twitter.com/judiciaryuk/status/1443533593251307522?s=21

    This crime was carefully planned.

    Read paragraph 19 if nothing else.

    Yep, he is spot on.
    I see he didn't have any reservations aboutd the investigating police - but those would have been a different unit from PC Couzens's anyway.

    Para 27 - in fact high praise from him.
    It is standard for the judge to praise the police at the end of major investigations. And they certainly did a good job here. It is though the very minimum we should expect.
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Judge's sentencing remarks.

    https://twitter.com/judiciaryuk/status/1443533593251307522?s=21

    This crime was carefully planned.

    It is just inconceivable that this was a first offence. They should be cross checking any prostitutes that have been raped or killed on his beats very carefully.
    I'm not sure about this. It didn't take all that long for the murder team to track him down and solve the case. He didn't exactly do a good job at hiding his actions.
    Only because he gave his police phone number to the hire car company. A curious mistake to make for someone who did so much other planning. Especially as he would have known that running a telephone number through the police computer would have been the first thing the police would do.

    I think there is more to this particular aspect.
    You clearly think he had an accomplice in the Met, which is deeply worrying if true.
    I think it needs looking into. If only to eliminate the possibility of there being someone prepared to cover for police wrongdoers. How do you think all those corrupt policemen in the past got away with it. Because they had mates who turned a blind eye or covered up. Look at the number of officers who have been investigated for other crimes of sexual abuse against women in the Met.

    It is possible Couzens was simply arrogant. But it's odd. He did not make any other mistakes. So why this obvious one, one which he surely knew about?

    He also has not talked to the police at all. So we don't know the entirety of what happened on the journey.
    FPT - I saw a report somewhere this morning - the Guardian? - that there were a dozen or so disciplinary charges pending against Met police. But it hgas been updated. I can't find it now, or ocnfirm whether this was in general or specific to the Couzens case.
    See here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/07/12/if-not-now-when/

    12 officers under investigation in relation to Couzens.

    But see also the paragraph about other officers in the Met accused of crimes against women.
  • Nigelb said:

    Petrol shortage: No improvement in fuel supplies
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58747281

    Been difficult to get fuel in Sheffield over the last few days.

    One of the issues is the queues are spilling onto the roads and causing hold ups and accidents.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488
    edited September 30
    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Judge's sentencing remarks.

    https://twitter.com/judiciaryuk/status/1443533593251307522?s=21

    This crime was carefully planned.

    Read paragraph 19 if nothing else.

    Yep, he is spot on.
    I see he didn't have any reservations aboutd the investigating police - but those would have been a different unit from PC Couzens's anyway.

    Para 27 - in fact high praise from him.
    It is standard for the judge to praise the police at the end of major investigations. And they certainly did a good job here. It is though the very minimum we should expect.
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Judge's sentencing remarks.

    https://twitter.com/judiciaryuk/status/1443533593251307522?s=21

    This crime was carefully planned.

    It is just inconceivable that this was a first offence. They should be cross checking any prostitutes that have been raped or killed on his beats very carefully.
    I'm not sure about this. It didn't take all that long for the murder team to track him down and solve the case. He didn't exactly do a good job at hiding his actions.
    Only because he gave his police phone number to the hire car company. A curious mistake to make for someone who did so much other planning. Especially as he would have known that running a telephone number through the police computer would have been the first thing the police would do.

    I think there is more to this particular aspect.
    You clearly think he had an accomplice in the Met, which is deeply worrying if true.
    I think it needs looking into. If only to eliminate the possibility of there being someone prepared to cover for police wrongdoers. How do you think all those corrupt policemen in the past got away with it. Because they had mates who turned a blind eye or covered up. Look at the number of officers who have been investigated for other crimes of sexual abuse against women in the Met.

    It is possible Couzens was simply arrogant. But it's odd. He did not make any other mistakes. So why this obvious one, one which he surely knew about?

    He also has not talked to the police at all. So we don't know the entirety of what happened on the journey.
    FPT - I saw a report somewhere this morning - the Guardian? - that there were a dozen or so disciplinary charges pending against Met police. But it hgas been updated. I can't find it now, or ocnfirm whether this was in general or specific to the Couzens case.
    See here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/07/12/if-not-now-when/

    12 officers under investigation in relation to Couzens.

    But see also the paragraph about other officers in the Met accused of crimes against women.
    Thanks! That's it (same thing as I saw in the Graun, but more detailed). Hence my puzzlement at the judge's remarks.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718
    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    Actually, might have happened under Boris.
  • Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    They are DBS'd and hired/allowed to continue in their jobs.

    More than 200 serving police officers in the UK have convictions for criminal offences including assault, burglary, drug possession and animal cruelty, Sky News can reveal.

    Forces across the country employ at least 211 police officers and PCSOs who were guilty of crimes, according to data released under the Freedom of Information Act.

    The actual number is likely to be much higher, however, after just a third of forces revealed how many of their officers have criminal convictions, with many claiming it would cost too much to retrieve the information.

    The National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) told Sky News that having a criminal record has "never been an automatic bar to joining the police" and insisted officers are vetted "throughout their service".

    But Steven Smith, who was assaulted in Bristol by an officer who was allowed to keep his job, said he believes anyone with a conviction for violence should be banned from working for the police.


    https://news.sky.com/story/assault-burglary-and-animal-cruelty-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-working-for-uk-forces-12024264
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
  • Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    Do you have a link to that?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2021/09/what-the-murder-of-sarah-everard-reveals-about-the-failings-of-british-politics-and-the-police


    Not surprisingly by Stephen Bush , after his email this morning, which was a taster for this.

    'Then there are the specific failures within the police force in general and the Metropolitan Police in particular. When Couzens was charged, the Met Commissioner Cressida Dick said that “all of us in the Met are sickened, angered and devastated by this man’s crimes”.

    I’m sure that’s true. Social workers were sickened, angered and devastated by the failures that led to the murder of eight-year-old Victoria Climbié at the hands of her aunt and aunt’s boyfriend in 2000. Doctors were sickened, angered and devastated by the failures that allowed Harold Shipman to murder as many as 250 people. But crucially, those failures led to serious reforms to child protection and to palliative care provision in the UK.

    The murder of Sarah Everard is the story of two long-running problems in British politics: the failure to take violence against women and girls seriously, and the failure by senior leaders in too many of the UK’s police forces to acknowledge mistakes and learn from them, rather than viewing them as unfortunate and unavoidable accidents.'
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,932

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Reading the accounts of the London riots it is quite clear that many of those rioting (not all, of course there were looters and not just of bottles of water) were doing so because it was an opportunity to put the police "on lock" or "under manners" as they term it.
  • Nigelb said:

    Petrol shortage: No improvement in fuel supplies
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58747281

    Dont worry, BigG and PT have declared it is all over. Why listen to the Petrol Retailers Association when we have already been told.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 33,952
    edited September 30
    Cyclefree said:

    From a former policewoman - on the WATO today. Women police officers won't speak up because the men "close ranks".

    https://twitter.com/kateemccann/status/1443552130007248897?s=21

    This, obviously, is an old case, but it seems that nothing much has changed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/30/activist-duped-into-sexual-relationship-with-spy-wins-case-against-met-police
    ...The Met and NPCC accepted Kennedy’s actions amounted to a breach of those rights, but they denied that other officers, apart from Kennedy and his cover officer, knew or suspected Wilson was in a sexual relationship with Kennedy...

    From earlier reporting of this and similar cases, that denial seems blatantly untrue.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,423
    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488
    TOPPING said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Reading the accounts of the London riots it is quite clear that many of those rioting (not all, of course there were looters and not just of bottles of water) were doing so because it was an opportunity to put the police "on lock" or "under manners" as they term it.
    Not familiar with those expressions, please?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,508
    edited September 30
    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    ping said:

    Spare a thought for Wayne Couzens’ family. A wife and two kids.

    Must be horrible for them.

    Not as horrible as for the Everards, but still awful. How does a family recover from that? I’d change my name, if I were them.

    Did you see this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10041507/Killer-cops-children-played-near-spot-Sarah-Everard-dumped.html
    I dare not click it. Please tell me they aren't having a pop at the children.
    It was reported in the sentencing remarks. He took his children to play in the area where he burnt and buried poor Sarah's body. It is not getting at the children. It shows what a thoroughly evil man Couzens is.

    I hope his wife and children change their name. They too are victims of this awful tragedy.
    My guess would be in case he had been seen there, or en route, it would offer something of a cover story. A twisted crime coupled with the inside knowledge of a policeman makes for an appalling scenario
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,403
    edited September 30
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, being the family of the offender must be nearly as heartbreaking as the family of the victim in a case like this. Hope everyone around this case has good support in place.

    An horrific crime, for which thankfully the correct sentence appears to have been passed today.

    That's something I often think about - how the close family members of a notorious offender get on in the years after. I watch a lot of TV drama and I think this is an under-explored area. Plenty of stuff focused on perps and police and victims and victims families, very little if anything on this.
  • TOPPING said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Reading the accounts of the London riots it is quite clear that many of those rioting (not all, of course there were looters and not just of bottles of water) were doing so because it was an opportunity to put the police "on lock" or "under manners" as they term it.
    I found out that during the summer the teenage son of a friend (a QC no less) was detained by the rozzers for suspected damage of cars (he wasn't the guilty party) but the police did everything to try and pressurise him to accept a caution.

    The lad rang his dad who turned up with pretty much his entire chambers, the police visibly wilted and the QC said ultimately the police are bullies and hope no one is looking or knows the rules.
  • Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    They are DBS'd and hired/allowed to continue in their jobs.

    More than 200 serving police officers in the UK have convictions for criminal offences including assault, burglary, drug possession and animal cruelty, Sky News can reveal.

    Forces across the country employ at least 211 police officers and PCSOs who were guilty of crimes, according to data released under the Freedom of Information Act.

    The actual number is likely to be much higher, however, after just a third of forces revealed how many of their officers have criminal convictions, with many claiming it would cost too much to retrieve the information.

    The National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) told Sky News that having a criminal record has "never been an automatic bar to joining the police" and insisted officers are vetted "throughout their service".

    But Steven Smith, who was assaulted in Bristol by an officer who was allowed to keep his job, said he believes anyone with a conviction for violence should be banned from working for the police.


    https://news.sky.com/story/assault-burglary-and-animal-cruelty-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-working-for-uk-forces-12024264
    Thanks for that.

    But even still, wha'daff?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,423
    edited September 30
    Carnyx said:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2021/09/what-the-murder-of-sarah-everard-reveals-about-the-failings-of-british-politics-and-the-police


    Not surprisingly by Stephen Bush , after his email this morning, which was a taster for this.

    'Then there are the specific failures within the police force in general and the Metropolitan Police in particular. When Couzens was charged, the Met Commissioner Cressida Dick said that “all of us in the Met are sickened, angered and devastated by this man’s crimes”.

    I’m sure that’s true. Social workers were sickened, angered and devastated by the failures that led to the murder of eight-year-old Victoria Climbié at the hands of her aunt and aunt’s boyfriend in 2000. Doctors were sickened, angered and devastated by the failures that allowed Harold Shipman to murder as many as 250 people. But crucially, those failures led to serious reforms to child protection and to palliative care provision in the UK.

    The murder of Sarah Everard is the story of two long-running problems in British politics: the failure to take violence against women and girls seriously, and the failure by senior leaders in too many of the UK’s police forces to acknowledge mistakes and learn from them, rather than viewing them as unfortunate and unavoidable accidents.'

    It's nothing violence or whatnot related, but the nonsense Enron and the big 4 got up to has led to audits being a hell of a lot more faff and expensive. And the FTSE/big 4 are still probably at it. Let's hope any change isn't the classic - more paperwork & box ticking, same results.
  • Time to appoint me Commissioner of the Met (or possibly Cyclefree).

    Either way we'd ensure proper reform of the rozzers.
  • Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    They are DBS'd and hired/allowed to continue in their jobs.

    More than 200 serving police officers in the UK have convictions for criminal offences including assault, burglary, drug possession and animal cruelty, Sky News can reveal.

    Forces across the country employ at least 211 police officers and PCSOs who were guilty of crimes, according to data released under the Freedom of Information Act.

    The actual number is likely to be much higher, however, after just a third of forces revealed how many of their officers have criminal convictions, with many claiming it would cost too much to retrieve the information.

    The National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) told Sky News that having a criminal record has "never been an automatic bar to joining the police" and insisted officers are vetted "throughout their service".

    But Steven Smith, who was assaulted in Bristol by an officer who was allowed to keep his job, said he believes anyone with a conviction for violence should be banned from working for the police.


    https://news.sky.com/story/assault-burglary-and-animal-cruelty-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-working-for-uk-forces-12024264
    Thanks for that.

    But even still, wha'daff?
    The police as a collective are the mafia in uniforms.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,423

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    They are DBS'd and hired/allowed to continue in their jobs.

    More than 200 serving police officers in the UK have convictions for criminal offences including assault, burglary, drug possession and animal cruelty, Sky News can reveal.

    Forces across the country employ at least 211 police officers and PCSOs who were guilty of crimes, according to data released under the Freedom of Information Act.

    The actual number is likely to be much higher, however, after just a third of forces revealed how many of their officers have criminal convictions, with many claiming it would cost too much to retrieve the information.

    The National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) told Sky News that having a criminal record has "never been an automatic bar to joining the police" and insisted officers are vetted "throughout their service".

    But Steven Smith, who was assaulted in Bristol by an officer who was allowed to keep his job, said he believes anyone with a conviction for violence should be banned from working for the police.


    https://news.sky.com/story/assault-burglary-and-animal-cruelty-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-working-for-uk-forces-12024264
    Thanks for that.

    But even still, wha'daff?
    The police as a collective are the mafia in uniforms.
    Fuck off.
  • Time to appoint me Commissioner of the Met (or possibly Cyclefree).

    Either way we'd ensure proper reform of the rozzers.

    Interesting choice, basically comes down to how many double entendres we want in police slogans.
  • Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,508
    Nigelb said:

    Petrol shortage: No improvement in fuel supplies
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58747281

    I am just finishing a journey from Kent to Berkshire and back to the island, and things look as bad as at the weekend
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    Scott_xP said:
    Sent to everyone with a HGV license, which seems fair enough to me.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 12,698
    edited September 30

    TOPPING said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Reading the accounts of the London riots it is quite clear that many of those rioting (not all, of course there were looters and not just of bottles of water) were doing so because it was an opportunity to put the police "on lock" or "under manners" as they term it.
    I found out that during the summer the teenage son of a friend (a QC no less) was detained by the rozzers for suspected damage of cars (he wasn't the guilty party) but the police did everything to try and pressurise him to accept a caution.

    The lad rang his dad who turned up with pretty much his entire chambers, the police visibly wilted and the QC said ultimately the police are bullies and hope no one is looking or knows the rules.
    During the miners strike, I was a Rep for Courage the Brewers. The boot of my company Cavalier was brimmed full of cases of cans of John Smith's bitter, Colt 45, Hofmeister lager, Harp lager and Courage Best Bitter.

    On one occasion I was stopped entering Leicestershire from Cambridgeshire. The barricades (not quite, but almost) on that occasion were manned by the Met. On searching the car I was taken to one side and asked politely to help unload the contents of my boot into their Transit minibus. At the time it seemed like such a reasonable request if I wanted to be on my way.
  • Also I'll say it again.

    If you ever get arrested/detained/questioned by the rozzers always have legal representation.

    Never accept a caution.

    Easier said than done in advance. Especially when you know you're innocent then events can move so fast.

    I was questioned once as a suspect after the Police arrived for a fight I hadn't been involved in or even witnessed. I'd been drinking and got breathalysed (under the limit) and questioned for over half an hour (or what felt like it). I didn't once think to stop answering questions and just kept looking at the blinking red light of the camera recording the conversation on his jacket.

    I never heard anything from them again after the event, so I'm guessing my answers were satisfactory/the evidence pointed another (right) way. I've no idea what would have happened had I refused to co-operate.
  • Time to appoint me Commissioner of the Met (or possibly Cyclefree).

    Either way we'd ensure proper reform of the rozzers.

    Interesting choice, basically comes down to how many double entendres we want in police slogans.
    I'm a professional, I would never use double entendres in my work.

    Single entendres on the other hand...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,488

    TOPPING said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Reading the accounts of the London riots it is quite clear that many of those rioting (not all, of course there were looters and not just of bottles of water) were doing so because it was an opportunity to put the police "on lock" or "under manners" as they term it.
    I found out that during the summer the teenage son of a friend (a QC no less) was detained by the rozzers for suspected damage of cars (he wasn't the guilty party) but the police did everything to try and pressurise him to accept a caution.

    The lad rang his dad who turned up with pretty much his entire chambers, the police visibly wilted and the QC said ultimately the police are bullies and hope no one is looking or knows the rules.
    During the miners strike, I was a Rep for Courage the Brewers. The boot of my company Cavalier was brimmed full of cases of cans of John Smith's bitter, Colt 45, Hofmeister lager, Harp lager and Courage Best Bitter.

    On one occasion I was stopped entering Leicestershire from Cambridgeshire. The barricades (not quite, but almost) on that occasion were manned by the Met. On searching the car I was taken to one side and asked politely to help unload the contents of my boot into their Transit minibus. At the time it seemed like such a reasonable request if I wanted to be on my way.
    Hmm, then they'd be sure your fingerprints were on the cases ...
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 2,795
    The only convincing argument I can think of not to hang this bent copper is because it’s quite likely he is responsible for other missing persons. And they’re not gonna get justice if he heads into the eternal abyss now.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 1,526

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    For teacher training there is no time limit. Everything remains. Even under 18, so I am told.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 17,418
    edited September 30

    TOPPING said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Reading the accounts of the London riots it is quite clear that many of those rioting (not all, of course there were looters and not just of bottles of water) were doing so because it was an opportunity to put the police "on lock" or "under manners" as they term it.
    I found out that during the summer the teenage son of a friend (a QC no less) was detained by the rozzers for suspected damage of cars (he wasn't the guilty party) but the police did everything to try and pressurise him to accept a caution.

    The lad rang his dad who turned up with pretty much his entire chambers, the police visibly wilted and the QC said ultimately the police are bullies and hope no one is looking or knows the rules.
    I've heard of many cases like that. It's one of the areas where racial prejudice and age are still significant factors - a black teenager under suspicion will on average be treated with far less courtesy and willingness to accept a statement than a middle-aged white man.

    That said, I'm a fan of Denmark in general, but I do remember that I got called in after I'd failed to renew my residence permit once Denmark had joined the EU (I thought I was then automatically eligible, but not so). The officer said (politely) that they were considering prosecution - would I like to accept a fine, or would I prefer to take legal advice first?

    We happened to know a Supreme Court judge, so I thought I'd ask him, and said I'd like to take advice and would let him know, thanks. He paused for a moment, and then said, "Oh well, let's forget it."

    I wondered if he would have pocketed the fine or was just trying it on or was, on reflection, in generous mood. But whichever it was, it didn't strike me as an entirely satisfactory experience.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,481
    The new markets in the thread header have to be ripe for insider info don't they?

    If only!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,403
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Petrol shortage: No improvement in fuel supplies
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58747281

    I am just finishing a journey from Kent to Berkshire and back to the island, and things look as bad as at the weekend
    Petrol is fine in South Yorkshire where I've been for a few days. Completely normal. Also noticeable is a big difference in mask wearing. They've pretty much ditched them up here.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,691
    Interesting comments btl on a Guardian piece regarding private schools:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/pandemic-private-schools-pupils#comment-152221629
  • RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
    Not certain crimes, they will always be on your record.

    (I made a booboo, I meant there's 4 types of checks.)

    There's the basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions but hardly anyone runs thoses.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
    Not certain crimes, they will always be on your record.

    (I made a booboo, I meant there's 4 types of checks.)

    There's the basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions but hardly anyone runs thoses.
    Your record on the PNC is deleted at your 100th birthday. I think that's what the DBS queries.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 1,526

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
    Not certain crimes, they will always be on your record.

    (I made a booboo, I meant there's 4 types of checks.)

    There's the basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions but hardly anyone runs thoses.
    supposes and toeses

    :smile:
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
    Not certain crimes, they will always be on your record.

    (I made a booboo, I meant there's 4 types of checks.)

    There's the basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions but hardly anyone runs thoses.
    Your record on the PNC is deleted at your 100th birthday. I think that's what the DBS queries.
    So if you want to become a hardened criminal, wait until you're Jack W's age?
  • tlg86 said:

    Interesting comments btl on a Guardian piece regarding private schools:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/pandemic-private-schools-pupils#comment-152221629

    Do they still delete comments which reference the private education of the many senior Guardian staffers?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,468
    tlg86 said:

    Interesting comments btl on a Guardian piece regarding private schools:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/pandemic-private-schools-pupils#comment-152221629

    Ending charitable status for private schools will just reduce the number of bursaries they can provide and make them even more exclusive to the rich
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 1,526
    moonshine said:

    The only convincing argument I can think of not to hang this bent copper is because it’s quite likely he is responsible for other missing persons. And they’re not gonna get justice if he heads into the eternal abyss now.

    omg, it never occured to me that there could be others.
  • tlg86 said:

    Interesting comments btl on a Guardian piece regarding private schools:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/pandemic-private-schools-pupils#comment-152221629

    Electorally the issue is the majority support removing the tax breaks from private schools, but virtually none of those who support that will change their vote because of it. Whereas there are lots of middle class centrists who would switch against any party proposing it.

    Sadly that means tactically Labour should simply avoid talking about it as much as possible.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,468
    Nigelb said:

    Not exactly stellar, but interesting nonetheless.

    Harris's poll numbers rise as Biden's fall
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574604-harriss-poll-numbers-rise-as-bidens-fall

    Still Harris has zero net approval, 49% disapprove of her performance while 49% approve.

    More a product of the decline in Biden's rating with only 43% approving, however it could be enough to see Biden step down after 1 term and let his VP be the Democratic candidate in 2024
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 2,795

    moonshine said:

    The only convincing argument I can think of not to hang this bent copper is because it’s quite likely he is responsible for other missing persons. And they’re not gonna get justice if he heads into the eternal abyss now.

    omg, it never occured to me that there could be others.
    I mean it’s possible that covid made him flip. But the calculated nature of his crime certainly gives the impression that he was practiced.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    Do you have a link to that?
    Was under Boris, per my second comment.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836204/amp/Convicted-drug-users-thieves-allowed-join-police.html
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
    Not certain crimes, they will always be on your record.

    (I made a booboo, I meant there's 4 types of checks.)

    There's the basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions but hardly anyone runs thoses.
    Your record on the PNC is deleted at your 100th birthday. I think that's what the DBS queries.
    So if you want to become a hardened criminal, wait until you're Jack W's age?
    Isn't it, if you're a hardened criminal and want to work in schools, you'll need to wait until you're 100?

    (I should be careful not to joke here. Given the way things are going, getting centenarians into the classroom might become DfE policy.)
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 1,526

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    You could imagine really minor crimes done as a kid being ignored.
    Is there a time limit on convictions in DBS checks ?

    My ex colleague's £100k+ fraud seems to have completely disappeared from Google, and perhaps any DBS checks..
    Nope.

    There's two types of DBS checks, both will show past convictions and cautions, the enhanced one will show any cases where convictions didn't happen.
    I think they are actually expunged when you turn 100 or 101.
    Not certain crimes, they will always be on your record.

    (I made a booboo, I meant there's 4 types of checks.)

    There's the basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions but hardly anyone runs thoses.
    Your record on the PNC is deleted at your 100th birthday. I think that's what the DBS queries.
    So if you want to become a hardened criminal, wait until you're Jack W's age?
    40 yrs to go then
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,691
    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    Do you have a link to that?
    Was under Boris, per my second comment.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836204/amp/Convicted-drug-users-thieves-allowed-join-police.html
    That's interesting. HR at my place give us grief for wanting people who are good with numbers to work in our stats team because they are less likely to be women.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,423
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Petrol shortage: No improvement in fuel supplies
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58747281

    I am just finishing a journey from Kent to Berkshire and back to the island, and things look as bad as at the weekend
    Petrol is fine in South Yorkshire where I've been for a few days. Completely normal. Also noticeable is a big difference in mask wearing. They've pretty much ditched them up here.
    Is mask use still a thing elsewhere ? Covid's over here for the most part. It's still at the vets, mind.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Because ambulences are big and heavy and require the same license as a HGV? It doesn't say anything about tankers.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 616
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Are there small tankers they can legally drive? You need a C1 endorsement on your licence to drive an ambulance I believe - gets you up to 7.5 tonnes. (Ambulances are heavy vehicles!)
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,329
    As well as the Lab defence in Sunderland there are 3 Con defences (East Hampshire, East Staffordshire, and Eden) and Ind defence in West Suffolk. There is a peculiar situation in Swale where there is technically an Ind defence but he is a former LD councillor who went Ind then resigned and is now standing as LD again. For students of interesting names one of the Green candidates is called Blossom Gottlieb.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    edited September 30
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Because ambulences are big and heavy and require the same license as a HGV? It doesn't say anything about tankers.
    I have yet to see a fuel tanker the size of an ambulance. Also an ambulance is not even the size of a Luton if that , it is in no way comparable to a fuel tanker and to boot you need special licence to handle fuel into the bargain. Sounds like any white van man can start driving ambulances.
    PS: they need an LGV C1 licence so as I thought it was bollox. I can drive an ambulance now as I have a C1 and have had since 17.
  • HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting comments btl on a Guardian piece regarding private schools:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/pandemic-private-schools-pupils#comment-152221629

    Ending charitable status for private schools will just reduce the number of bursaries they can provide and make them even more exclusive to the rich
    That just proves that their core business isn't charitable.
  • malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Because ambulences are big and heavy and require the same license as a HGV? It doesn't say anything about tankers.
    I have yet to see a fuel tanker the size of an ambulance. Also an ambulance is not even the size of a Luton if that , it is in no way comparable to a fuel tanker and to boot you need special licence to handle fuel into the bargain. Sounds like any white van man can start driving ambulances.
    Nobody said anything about tankers.

    They're writing to everyone with a HGV licence. Some people with a HGV licence are driving ambulances.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Because ambulences are big and heavy and require the same license as a HGV? It doesn't say anything about tankers.
    I have yet to see a fuel tanker the size of an ambulance. Also an ambulance is not even the size of a Luton if that , it is in no way comparable to a fuel tanker and to boot you need special licence to handle fuel into the bargain. Sounds like any white van man can start driving ambulances.
    Again, no mention of fuel tankers. This is just about HGVs, for which ambulance drivers have the necessary license to drive.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 718
    tlg86 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Sorry to go off topic but remember the police tried to fit up a serving cabinet minister.

    As a couple of cabinet ministers at the time said 'If they can try and fit us up what chance does a black kid in Brixton have?'

    Police need taking down a peg or five, starting with Cressida Dick.

    Also fire every cop who cannot pass a DBS. If you cannot be a PCC with a criminal record then you shouldn't be a copper with a criminal record.

    Police officers aren't routinely DBS checked?

    Wha'daff?
    I remember a while ago a decision by Sadiq Khan to not make criminal conviction a bar to becoming a Met officer as it harmed "diversity".
    Do you have a link to that?
    Was under Boris, per my second comment.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836204/amp/Convicted-drug-users-thieves-allowed-join-police.html
    That's interesting. HR at my place give us grief for wanting people who are good with numbers to work in our stats team because they are less likely to be women.
    It's madness. I am completely on board with aggressive action to make sure the marginalized group is being treated fairly. I am also on board with additional support to marginalized groups to get them up to the bar. But actually lowering the bar to achieve a quota is just destructive.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 616
    Phil said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Are there small tankers they can legally drive? You need a C1 endorsement on your licence to drive an ambulance I believe - gets you up to 7.5 tonnes. (Ambulances are heavy vehicles!)
    Checking my own licence - apparantly I can drive anything with a trailer where the total vehicle weight doesn’t exceed 8250kg. That’s a restricted C1E vehicle category.

    Really not sure I’d be happy driving an articulated vehicle of that weight, but apparently I’m qualified to do so! (IIRC they took away that default sometime back in the late 90s early 00s?)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    Phil said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Are there small tankers they can legally drive? You need a C1 endorsement on your licence to drive an ambulance I believe - gets you up to 7.5 tonnes. (Ambulances are heavy vehicles!)
    I doubt there are fuel lorries less than 7.5T and they still would need the special licence to handle dangerous substances etc.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,677
    malcolmg said:

    Phil said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Are there small tankers they can legally drive? You need a C1 endorsement on your licence to drive an ambulance I believe - gets you up to 7.5 tonnes. (Ambulances are heavy vehicles!)
    I doubt there are fuel lorries less than 7.5T and they still would need the special licence to handle dangerous substances etc.
    Good god man, read the letter. It's not about fuel tankers.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,482
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:
    HTF can an ambulance driver be legal for an HGV tanker
    Because ambulences are big and heavy and require the same license as a HGV? It doesn't say anything about tankers.
    I have yet to see a fuel tanker the size of an ambulance. Also an ambulance is not even the size of a Luton if that , it is in no way comparable to a fuel tanker and to boot you need special licence to handle fuel into the bargain. Sounds like any white van man can start driving ambulances.
    Again, no mention of fuel tankers. This is just about HGVs, for which ambulance drivers have the necessary license to drive.
    Bollox , they have LGV C1 nowhere near HGV licences
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