If Starmer goes Reeves is by far the best alternative – politicalbetting.com
One thing I’ve been looking for in the coverage of the Labour conference is who would be the runners if for whatever reason Starmer ceases to be leader. With the pandemic totally dominating everything since the general election it has been a struggle for opposition politicians to get a look in.
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When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.1
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I'll have what you're taking..... cracking fantasy though.rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
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Rachel Reeves, PPE from Oxford, MSc in economics from LSE.
Yvette Cooper, PPE from Oxford, MSc in economics from LSE.
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It does point to the weakness in the bet, though, which is we do not know when a vacancy will arise. 12/1 is a great price if Starmer goes tomorrow but he probably won't. As implied in my previous comment, Reeves is (superficially) a 10 years younger version of Yvette Cooper, whom many will have previously backed unsuccessfully or at least touted for the leadership.swing_voter said:
I'll have what you're taking..... cracking fantasy though.rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
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Declaration of interest. I've just noticed I'm already on Reeves at 25/1. Someone must have put her up before.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It does point to the weakness in the bet, though, which is we do not know when a vacancy will arise. 12/1 is a great price if Starmer goes tomorrow but he probably won't. As implied in my previous comment, Reeves is (superficially) a 10 years younger version of Yvette Cooper, whom many will have previously backed unsuccessfully or at least touted for the leadership.swing_voter said:
I'll have what you're taking..... cracking fantasy though.rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
While checking that, I found a bet for Emma Raducanu for SPotY at 4/1. I really do not remember placing this bet which was probably a mistake when I was comparing US Open and SPotY prices and must have clicked the wrong window, though she's about 1/25 now so no harm done. First world problems!)8 -
I see Nick Symonds-Timothy, the Shadow Home Sec, has said the Tories are 'soft on crime and soft on the causes of time'.
Not very subtle, but in fairness to him it worked the first time.1 -
Of my 22 headers so far on PB none have worked out as quickly as laying Dina Asher Smith for SPotY mere days before she got injured in the 100m semi (heats?). I think it was a good bet regardless, but I didn't see (or wish for) her to crash out so comprehensively and so quickly.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Declaration of interest. I've just noticed I'm already on Reeves at 25/1. Someone must have put her up before.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It does point to the weakness in the bet, though, which is we do not know when a vacancy will arise. 12/1 is a great price if Starmer goes tomorrow but he probably won't. As implied in my previous comment, Reeves is (superficially) a 10 years younger version of Yvette Cooper, whom many will have previously backed unsuccessfully or at least touted for the leadership.swing_voter said:
I'll have what you're taking..... cracking fantasy though.rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
While checking that, I found a bet for Emma Raducanu for SPotY at 4/1. I really do not remember placing this bet which was probably a mistake when I was comparing US Open and SPotY prices and must have clicked the wrong window, though she's about 1/25 now so no harm done. First world problems!)4 -
Yes, that was a good call. (And funny that Dina and Emma went to the same school. PE teacher of the year?) I think what SPotY and next Labour leader or Prime Minister or Spurs manager have in common is that laying the favourite, which means laying successive favourites, is sensible. These events are information-light. We do not know who the candidates will be or on what criteria they will be assessed. In politics, often we do not even know when the event will take place. So generally there will be a whole succession of candidates who are briefly favourite before the spotlight moves on to someone else.Quincel said:
Of my 22 headers so far on PB none have worked out as quickly as laying Dina Asher Smith for SPotY mere days before she got injured in the 100m semi (heats?). I think it was a good bet regardless, but I didn't see (or wish for) her to crash out so comprehensively and so quickly.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Declaration of interest. I've just noticed I'm already on Reeves at 25/1. Someone must have put her up before.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It does point to the weakness in the bet, though, which is we do not know when a vacancy will arise. 12/1 is a great price if Starmer goes tomorrow but he probably won't. As implied in my previous comment, Reeves is (superficially) a 10 years younger version of Yvette Cooper, whom many will have previously backed unsuccessfully or at least touted for the leadership.swing_voter said:
I'll have what you're taking..... cracking fantasy though.rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
While checking that, I found a bet for Emma Raducanu for SPotY at 4/1. I really do not remember placing this bet which was probably a mistake when I was comparing US Open and SPotY prices and must have clicked the wrong window, though she's about 1/25 now so no harm done. First world problems!)5 -
In 2039 Starmer will be 77 (*). Isn't there a mandatory retirement age in the civil service, or are janitors exempt?rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
(*) If my bleary-eyed early-morning maths is correct.0 -
Younger than when Biden won the Presidency for the first time. So maybe he'll manage four terms.JosiasJessop said:
In 2039 Starmer will be 77 (*). Isn't there a mandatory retirement age in the civil service, or are janitors exempt?rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
(*) If my bleary-eyed early-morning maths is correct.1 -
Reeves is excellent.0
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As janitor?rcs1000 said:
Younger than when Biden won the Presidency for the first time. So maybe he'll manage four terms.JosiasJessop said:
In 2039 Starmer will be 77 (*). Isn't there a mandatory retirement age in the civil service, or are janitors exempt?rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
(*) If my bleary-eyed early-morning maths is correct.
(I.e. it's about the only way he'll get a job in Number 10. I fear the Labour left will prevent any chance of him winning the next election. I would not be surprised if he's not even leader then. This conference has turned into a farce.0 -
Nah.
I’m biased towards her as a member of New College, but she simply doesn’t have the charisma to make it to the top rank. Too technocratic.1 -
I prefer Mortimer.....Jonathan said:Reeves is excellent.
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What does he propose they do about the causes of time?Quincel said:I see Nick Symonds-Timothy, the Shadow Home Sec, has said the Tories are 'soft on crime and soft on the causes of time'.
Not very subtle, but in fairness to him it worked the first time.
Going round breaking clocks only deals with the symptoms not the causes6 -
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CNN: Worker shortages are a growing problem in Britain, which has a record 1 million job vacancies. The shortage of truck drivers has been exacerbated by the pandemic and Brexit, which resulted in tens of thousands of EU nationals leaving trucking jobs and other occupations in the United Kingdom.
Johnson is preparing to deploy hundreds of soldiers to help address the fuel crisis, the Financial Times reported on Monday. The troops would be used to drive trucks, the newspaper said, under contingency planning known as "Operation Escalin."
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Shall we play a game? Project Fear bingo...
The grim prophecies of #operationYellowhammer at a glance.. https://twitter.com/Matthew_Wright/status/1442399299900518401/photo/10 -
La Repubblicca: Petrol shortages after Brexit: Britain warns the army
The British government has put the military on alert to cooperate in fuel transport operations in light of the crisis that sees gasoline in the country. "A limited number of military tank truck drivers will be alerted and deployed if necessary to further stabilize the fuel supply chain," the Energy Department said in a statement.0 -
So after the hilarious chaos of the Labour Party Conference 2021, how can the Conservatives better it next week?
Surely with a clown in charge, they can provide a higher magnitude of entertainment?2 -
A shadow cabinet minister resigned at the Labour conference.JosiasJessop said:So after the hilarious chaos of the Labour Party Conference 2021, how can the Conservatives better it next week?
Surely with a clown in charge, they can provide a higher magnitude of entertainment?
BoZo could top that by sacking Grant Shapps1 -
A truck driver writes…
https://mobile.twitter.com/infofoundationx/status/1441738825575768069
(20-tweet thread, worth reading)
TL:DR There’s a lot of problems in the industry, Ts and Cs are crap and companies treat you badly, most won’t sponsor people for training and testing, and many won’t hire the young and inexperienced.2 -
Die Welt: Ambulance clause, army reserve - the British fuel crisis escalates
The UK has been struggling for weeks with the lack of truck drivers in the country. There are always no deliveries, from drinks at McDonald’s to meat for the catering trade to individual products in the supermarkets. At the end of last week, the problem reached petrol stations.
The scarce fuel is now also endangering health care, warned Chaand Nagpaul, President of the British Medical Association. "There is a real danger that NHS employees will no longer be able to do their jobs," he said, referring to the national health service.
After weeks of urging from hauliers and associations, Johnson and his ministers admitted late last week that they would make an exception to the strict immigration rules for truck drivers, among other things. 5000 short-term visas are supposed to help attract drivers from abroad. In addition, there are another 5,500 entry permits for workers in the food industry. "It's like trying to put out a campfire with a thimble full of water," said Ruby McGregor-Smith, President of the British Chamber of Commerce. Those concerned agree that there are far too few visas, they would arrive far too late.
In the meantime, pharmacies are also concerned about the timely delivery of medicines. There, too, occasional deliveries have failed to materialize. The association is pushing for clear statements from the government as to how supplies can be ensured in an emergency.
The Christmas roast is also far from guaranteed in view of the many delivery and personnel problems. "There will be fewer turkeys on supermarket shelves this year than usual," warned Kate Martin of the Traditional Farm Fresh Turkey Association.
This is not only due to the drivers, but also to the lack of strength in meat processing. "The big processors can already see that they will not be able to process all meat."0 -
Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”3 -
My wife's friend's husband is an HGV driver. Recently changed jobs from a general haulier to the Royal Mail. Earns more in 4 days than he used to do in 5. Probably better pension too. And isn't away 4 nights a week. Still some night driving involved and still HGV so not a loss to the cohort but shows how unpleasant his previous job was.Sandpit said:A truck driver writes…
https://mobile.twitter.com/infofoundationx/status/1441738825575768069
(20-tweet thread, worth reading)
TL:DR There’s a lot of problems in the industry, Ts and Cs are crap and companies treat you badly, most won’t sponsor people for training and testing, and many won’t hire the young and inexperienced.2 -
Now I'm thinking Good Will Hunting. The Trusster wakes up every morning to find someone has scrawled solutions to the country's ills all down the Number Ten staircase...JosiasJessop said:
In 2039 Starmer will be 77 (*). Isn't there a mandatory retirement age in the civil service, or are janitors exempt?rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
(*) If my bleary-eyed early-morning maths is correct.1 -
"... wants to become a lorry driver and they realise they'll be pissing in milk bottles, washing with baby wipes and eating left over sausage rolls for breakfast"Sandpit said:A truck driver writes…
https://mobile.twitter.com/infofoundationx/status/1441738825575768069
(20-tweet thread, worth reading)
TL:DR There’s a lot of problems in the industry, Ts and Cs are crap and companies treat you badly, most won’t sponsor people for training and testing, and many won’t hire the young and inexperienced.
Sounds like long-distance lorry driving and long-distance walking are identical. Although left-over sausage rolls would be nice occasionally ...
That's a really good thread, thanks.2 -
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.5 -
Sounds like a job as a junior analyst at Goldman Sachs.JosiasJessop said:
"... wants to become a lorry driver and they realise they'll be pissing in milk bottles, washing with baby wipes and eating left over sausage rolls for breakfast"Sandpit said:A truck driver writes…
https://mobile.twitter.com/infofoundationx/status/1441738825575768069
(20-tweet thread, worth reading)
TL:DR There’s a lot of problems in the industry, Ts and Cs are crap and companies treat you badly, most won’t sponsor people for training and testing, and many won’t hire the young and inexperienced.
Sounds like long-distance lorry driving and long-distance walking are identical. Although left-over sausage rolls would be nice occasionally ...
That's a really good thread, thanks.4 -
Are trucks* themselves affected by the fuel (access) shortage? Or do they use different fuel?
(Obviously not fuel tankers, but others delivering other stuff)0 -
I note Andy McDonald has got the Labour conference back focussed on fair pay for labour.
He's called McDonald too which is the same as a big employer. Big opportunity for Starmer to shift the narrative away frm cervixes.
OH....2 -
Investigations have identified a serious breach of good faith by Southeastern.
To protect taxpayers’ interests and passengers I have ordered the Operator of Last Resort to urgently take over the running of rail services in the South East.
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1442731050468270080?s=20
R4 - SFO being called in0 -
Blimey. Will be a fun morning in the industry.CarlottaVance said:Investigations have identified a serious breach of good faith by Southeastern.
To protect taxpayers’ interests and passengers I have ordered the Operator of Last Resort to urgently take over the running of rail services in the South East.
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1442731050468270080?s=20
R4 - SFO being called in2 -
The Sun: QUEUE WHAT? Drivers face confusion over petrol crisis after day of panic, U-turns and Government chaos
Boris Johnson and his team were accused of being “asleep at the wheel” as mile-long queues for fuel developed and fights broke out at petrol stations.
the Petrol Retailers Association said troops will not be a magic “lever” to fix the problem and the chaos could yet last weeks.0 -
Lorries use standard DERV. They can't use red diesel, as they're used on the roads. From memory, the rule is that if they pay road tax, they can't use red diesel. So as the supplies probably come from the same diesel tankage as used for road cars, and they'll run out at the same time.alex_ said:Are trucks* themselves affected by the fuel (access) shortage? Or do they use different fuel?
(Obviously not fuel tankers, but others delivering other stuff)
ISTR that the lanes lorries use at some petrol stations have special high-speed pumps, to allow them to fill quicker - but I think the nozzles are the same, as I used to use them to fill my Landy.0 -
DFT Statement:tlg86 said:
Blimey. Will be a fun morning in the industry.CarlottaVance said:Investigations have identified a serious breach of good faith by Southeastern.
To protect taxpayers’ interests and passengers I have ordered the Operator of Last Resort to urgently take over the running of rail services in the South East.
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1442731050468270080?s=20
R4 - SFO being called in
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-over-running-of-lser-services-in-response-to-over-25-million-breach-of-franchise-agreement0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Mr. 1000, that's not very panicky of you.
As an aside, booted up my PS2 the other day. Remarkable that it's smaller, quieter, and has quicker load times than its successors (graphics way worse though, it was the last console before HDMI cables replaced SCART).0 -
Shapps says £25m of payments weren't DECLARED.
Sounds a bit harsh to send in the OLR just for not posting or emailling a remittance advice ?0 -
Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.0 -
That's very worrying; normally they seem to know the people they are sending £millions to all too well already.Pulpstar said:
Hold on it's the other way round. How do the government not know who they have sent £25 million to ?Pulpstar said:Shapps says £25m of payments weren't DECLARED.
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Oh dear, that sounds like a rather serious allegation of financial impropriety - hence the SFO being called in. So where did the missing £25m end up?CarlottaVance said:
DFT Statement:tlg86 said:
Blimey. Will be a fun morning in the industry.CarlottaVance said:Investigations have identified a serious breach of good faith by Southeastern.
To protect taxpayers’ interests and passengers I have ordered the Operator of Last Resort to urgently take over the running of rail services in the South East.
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1442731050468270080?s=20
R4 - SFO being called in
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-over-running-of-lser-services-in-response-to-over-25-million-breach-of-franchise-agreement0 -
It was only resting in their bank account.Sandpit said:
Oh dear, that sounds like a rather serious allegation of financial impropriety - hence the SFO being called in. So where did the missing £25m end up?CarlottaVance said:
DFT Statement:tlg86 said:
Blimey. Will be a fun morning in the industry.CarlottaVance said:Investigations have identified a serious breach of good faith by Southeastern.
To protect taxpayers’ interests and passengers I have ordered the Operator of Last Resort to urgently take over the running of rail services in the South East.
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1442731050468270080?s=20
R4 - SFO being called in
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-over-running-of-lser-services-in-response-to-over-25-million-breach-of-franchise-agreement0 -
Numeracy has never been vital to the left.RochdalePioneers said:Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.
What is far more important is the unproductive get paid far more than they are worth.0 -
Who could have been so far left they'd be demanding something so extreme as £15 an hour back in 2019 though?RochdalePioneers said:Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/11942044544485007381 -
Not unique to the haulage industry by any meansSandpit said:A truck driver writes…
https://mobile.twitter.com/infofoundationx/status/1441738825575768069
(20-tweet thread, worth reading)
TL:DR There’s a lot of problems in the industry, Ts and Cs are crap and companies treat you badly, most won’t sponsor people for training and testing, and many won’t hire the young and inexperienced.0 -
Hand on heart, Starmer is a mess isn't he?
He inherited a poisonous party, to be fair. The Corbyn years were atrocious and that's a good reason why Labour cannot win an outright majority in one bound next time. I get it that he felt he needed to clean up Labour's act in order to be more presentable to voters.
However, the way in which Sir Keir has set about the rebuilding is extremely clumsy. That's about as polite as I could be.
And all the while he is out of touch with the very people he most needs to win back: his Red Wall deserters.
Not disastrous. Not quite. But not far off.3 -
Who are the unproductive?Fishing said:
Numeracy has never been vital to the left.RochdalePioneers said:Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.
What is far more important is the unproductive get paid far more than they are worth.0 -
I mean what is really irritating is that the tories are so so vulnerable to attack. Their incompetence, cronyism and the utter failure of Brexit leave them wide open to being shredded.3
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He signed up for a huge challenge as you say, but he’s never shown any passion for tackling it. His strategy (other than wait for Boris to implode, which isn’t necessarily a bad one) is pretty unclear, and his tactics in responding to events, party management, and political opportunities are woeful.Heathener said:Hand on heart, Starmer is a mess isn't he?
He inherited a poisonous party, to be fair. The Corbyn years were atrocious and that's a good reason why Labour cannot win an outright majority in one bound next time. I get it that he felt he needed to clean up Labour's act in order to be more presentable to voters.
However, the way in which Sir Keir has set about the rebuilding is extremely clumsy. That's about as polite as I could be.
And all the while he is out of touch with the very people he most needs to win back: his Red Wall deserters.
Not disastrous. Not quite. But not far off.4 -
My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.14
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Vary the pronoun and are you talking about Starmer or Theresa May?Northstar said:
He signed up for a huge challenge as you say, but he’s never shown any passion for tackling it. His strategy (other than wait for Boris to implode, which isn’t necessarily a bad one) is pretty unclear, and his tactics in responding to events, party management, and political opportunities are woeful.Heathener said:Hand on heart, Starmer is a mess isn't he?
He inherited a poisonous party, to be fair. The Corbyn years were atrocious and that's a good reason why Labour cannot win an outright majority in one bound next time. I get it that he felt he needed to clean up Labour's act in order to be more presentable to voters.
However, the way in which Sir Keir has set about the rebuilding is extremely clumsy. That's about as polite as I could be.
And all the while he is out of touch with the very people he most needs to win back: his Red Wall deserters.
Not disastrous. Not quite. But not far off.0 -
Reeves would get the PLP nominations but would never get passed the Labour membership. Starmer's reforms have more or less ensured the far-left never controls the party again, but the failure to get the electoral college through means that MPs will have to tailor their preferences to what the members will back. It's a shame, but it is what it is.2
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I should feel a little sorry for Keir Starmer but I can't. He could have expunged the lunatics. Jezbollah gave him the opportunity as soon as he was elected leader. The halfwits on the left would have whined and would have done enough to also get binned off.Fishing said:
Numeracy has never been vital to the left.RochdalePioneers said:Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.
What is far more important is the unproductive get paid far more than they are worth.
How can the party present itself as a serious party of government when they have such a movement of people buried in the party. More than a quarter of conference delegates voted for anti-semitism. The unions and the lunatics demanding a £15 minimum wage.
Ironically I liked one of @SouthamObserver 's tweets last night (celebrating the removal of the far left from the Shadow Cabinet) and one of my Labour friends started baiting me about me "coming home". Errrr no. I don't understand the party at all any more. And I think there are significant numbers of Tory voting ex Labour voters who feel the same.3 -
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.3 -
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.6 -
Ha! I was a big fan of T. May at the time, shows what my political judgement is worth!Philip_Thompson said:
Vary the pronoun and are you talking about Starmer or Theresa May?Northstar said:
He signed up for a huge challenge as you say, but he’s never shown any passion for tackling it. His strategy (other than wait for Boris to implode, which isn’t necessarily a bad one) is pretty unclear, and his tactics in responding to events, party management, and political opportunities are woeful.Heathener said:Hand on heart, Starmer is a mess isn't he?
He inherited a poisonous party, to be fair. The Corbyn years were atrocious and that's a good reason why Labour cannot win an outright majority in one bound next time. I get it that he felt he needed to clean up Labour's act in order to be more presentable to voters.
However, the way in which Sir Keir has set about the rebuilding is extremely clumsy. That's about as polite as I could be.
And all the while he is out of touch with the very people he most needs to win back: his Red Wall deserters.
Not disastrous. Not quite. But not far off.2 -
ROFL - oh dear God! OK so its not a minimum wage of £15 he's supporting, but even so.Philip_Thompson said:
Who could have been so far left they'd be demanding something so extreme as £15 an hour back in 2019 though?RochdalePioneers said:Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/11942044544485007381 -
Can we please stop belittling gender fluidity on this site? The gammon dismissal of a serious issue with complexity and nuance is pretty revolting and off-putting. It demeans this place as a forum of polite and gentle intellectual debate.Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
If I say it's offensive you'll accuse me of being woke but yes it is offensive.3 -
The trouble is that while (the views of) many individual Tory politicians are repulsive, the Labour Party is utterly repulsive as an organisation.RochdalePioneers said:
I should feel a little sorry for Keir Starmer but I can't. He could have expunged the lunatics. Jezbollah gave him the opportunity as soon as he was elected leader. The halfwits on the left would have whined and would have done enough to also get binned off.Fishing said:
Numeracy has never been vital to the left.RochdalePioneers said:Good morning fuel hoarders!
Talking about the Labour Party, I'm confused. In the resplendently perfect 2019 manifesto, it was His will that the minimum wage be £10 an hour. So how come a few years later Andy McWazzock quits in protest that its not £15 an hour and gets a cheering ovation from the Trotbune fringe meeting?
Its almost as if the purpose in his flounce was only to try and damage the Labour Party.
What is far more important is the unproductive get paid far more than they are worth.
How can the party present itself as a serious party of government when they have such a movement of people buried in the party. More than a quarter of conference delegates voted for anti-semitism. The unions and the lunatics demanding a £15 minimum wage.
Ironically I liked one of @SouthamObserver 's tweets last night (celebrating the removal of the far left from the Shadow Cabinet) and one of my Labour friends started baiting me about me "coming home". Errrr no. I don't understand the party at all any more. And I think there are significant numbers of Tory voting ex Labour voters who feel the same.1 -
At the least the MPs will now understand their role in the process, and not nominate someone wildly unsuitable to ‘widen the debate’.SouthamObserver said:Reeves would get the PLP nominations but would never get passed the Labour membership. Starmer's reforms have more or less ensured the far-left never controls the party again, but the failure to get the electoral college through means that MPs will have to tailor their preferences to what the members will back. It's a shame, but it is what it is.
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F1: Giovinazzi did the race without team radio, which wasn't ideal...
https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/14424800695537541150 -
Although Germany’s election results leave Europe’s largest economy in a state of uncertainty, the big picture is already clear: Whoever the next chancellor will be, neither Olaf Scholz nor Armin Laschet will be able to provide the European Union with strong leadership.
This is as much about their inherent political skills as the reality of the coalitions they will lead: made up of parties new to power, and — at the federal level — to each other. Internal friction and domestic politics will subtract from the chancellery’s focus and agency in Europe.
To make matters worse, while it is no surprise that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s departure was going to impact the bloc’s leadership and coherence, her departure coincides with the run-up to French President Emmanuel Macron’s own elections next year.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-leadership-gap-olaf-scholz-chancellor-race/0 -
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.3 -
So you're saying that if Olaf becomes German Chancellor he won't be able to bring back summer for the European Union?CarlottaVance said:Although Germany’s election results leave Europe’s largest economy in a state of uncertainty, the big picture is already clear: Whoever the next chancellor will be, neither Olaf Scholz nor Armin Laschet will be able to provide the European Union with strong leadership.
This is as much about their inherent political skills as the reality of the coalitions they will lead: made up of parties new to power, and — at the federal level — to each other. Internal friction and domestic politics will subtract from the chancellery’s focus and agency in Europe.
To make matters worse, while it is no surprise that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s departure was going to impact the bloc’s leadership and coherence, her departure coincides with the run-up to French President Emmanuel Macron’s own elections next year.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-leadership-gap-olaf-scholz-chancellor-race/1 -
Not necessarily As a left-wing member, I want a leadership that is as left-wing as is consistent with a reasonable chance of election. I don't rule out Keir Starmer yet, and I wouldn't rule out Rachel Reeves either. Plenty of member who feel like me. As LabourList observes, both Labour to Win (centre-right in party terms) and Momentum were bemused how many CLP delegates don't identify with either, and were trying to work out their views issue by issue.SouthamObserver said:Reeves would get the PLP nominations but would never get passed the Labour membership. Starmer's reforms have more or less ensured the far-left never controls the party again, but the failure to get the electoral college through means that MPs will have to tailor their preferences to what the members will back. It's a shame, but it is what it is.
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I think you go a bit far - we have some enormous challenges ahead, but we always do. The NHS has had winter crisis for as long as I can remember. There will never be enough money, time, medics to do all that could be done.Heathener said:
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere. We are not uniquely struggling. Things will improve. My guess is the fuel 'crisis' will be over by the weekend.2 -
I think the "europe" they are refering to are Brtish shops and shelving. I think Brexit has done the EU shops a favour by bring back the drivers from GB to work in Europe. Is there a fuel situation in Europe?Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”0 -
My brother still reporting queues for petrol in the West Midlands this morning0
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So, the abolition of charitable status for Private schools will generate another £1.7bn for State schools, will it? Or will it cause many private schools to close bringing tens of thousands of kids back into the state sector at a cost of about £8k a head?
And it will have the effect of making the private schools that remain even more elitist as only the very rich can afford to send their kids there.
There were several issues like that in her speech, simplistic nonsense which assumes that there is no reaction to the changes in policy and no adverse consequences. There was also some dishonesty. So a person who trades in stocks and shares does not pay 20% CGT but IT because they are in business. But in fairness there were also some things I agreed with such as the elimination of business rates for shops etc and an increase in the digital tax.
I disagree with several of her ideas but at least she had some. It was almost the first time that you got a clear idea what a Labour government might want to do.7 -
The key word I am saying right now is fcuk... The price of domestic heating oil via my Oil syndicate has gone up from 42ppl to 51ppl in a few days. Madness and blatent profiteering.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.0 -
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.1 -
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.4 -
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.1 -
Our experience of the NHS with my poor Mum was shocking in its poorness... but now she is back hospital again in a different ward, we are buying choccies for the Nurses who have been A++turbotubbs said:
I think you go a bit far - we have some enormous challenges ahead, but we always do. The NHS has had winter crisis for as long as I can remember. There will never be enough money, time, medics to do all that could be done.Heathener said:
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere. We are not uniquely struggling. Things will improve. My guess is the fuel 'crisis' will be over by the weekend.1 -
Morning all.
I see that SKS is being excoriated by his far left for not keeping a promise on a "£15 per hour" minimum wage.
Where was this promise? I can't find it.
And does setting a minimum wage at basically Median Wage level work?
Median wage = £585 per hour. (1st Google answer)
£15 per hour = £585 for 39 hour week.
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I can't really accuse anyone of being woke when they use a racist term of abuse (gammon).Heathener said:
Can we please stop belittling gender fluidity on this site? The gammon dismissal of a serious issue with complexity and nuance is pretty revolting and off-putting. It demeans this place as a forum of polite and gentle intellectual debate.Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
If I say it's offensive you'll accuse me of being woke but yes it is offensive.2 -
.....until you broke her heart - when informing her she'd need to spend 37 years as a caterpillar first.....Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.4 -
Yet clearly some are. It may be a little unflattering but it is certainly not without truth in some cases.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.1 -
So you're attacking the person who was in the conversation for past remarks, rather than what was actually said at the time?Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.
I told a (true) story about how my daughter said she wants to be a butterfly when she grows up - and a joke was told in reply. Anyone who's had kids has probably had similar experiences, is that not something to talk about or joke about?0 -
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.6 -
I've been keeping out of this recently, as it's so toxic and views will sadly not be changed.Heathener said:
Can we please stop belittling gender fluidity on this site? The gammon dismissal of a serious issue with complexity and nuance is pretty revolting and off-putting. It demeans this place as a forum of polite and gentle intellectual debate.Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
If I say it's offensive you'll accuse me of being woke but yes it is offensive.
I will jut say this:
I have known a fair few trans people. Two in particular were friends: one pre-transition, one post-transition. I see comments made about trans people on here, especially about how they're somehow a 'danger', and then think of those friends, and the bullying and sh*t they suffered just because they were, in some way, different.8 -
If you like fantasy economics Reeves is your girl.0
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They don't seem to be struggling quite as much as we are. In terms of loss of life expectancy, Covid has hit the UK harder than many countries, and nowhere else has has people queuing for petrol. European supermarket shelves aren't as empty as ours, either. Pasta, chopped tomatoes and kidney beans almost all gone on my last shoping trip.turbotubbs said:
I think you go a bit far - we have some enormous challenges ahead, but we always do. The NHS has had winter crisis for as long as I can remember. There will never be enough money, time, medics to do all that could be done.Heathener said:
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere. We are not uniquely struggling. Things will improve. My guess is the fuel 'crisis' will be over by the weekend.0 -
Then she found out how long they live?Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.1 -
There’s no need to be rude.MaxPB said:
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.0 -
Having seen maybe ten minutes of the Conference or news about it Rachel Reeves might just be Labour's best kept secret. The header is the first time I've seen her in action and she looks impressive. Modern and with presence. It doesn't speak well for Starmer's judgement that he thought Anneliese Dodds was the answer to his most important first appointment when he had a genuine talent to call on.
Nonetheless I've still got hopes for Starmer. With a better team around him he'll start to look the part. But if the proverbial bus does arrive she's got a couple of advantages he doesn't have......
Firstly the contrast with the lumbering Johnson couldn't be sharper and she could do what Angela Raynor tried but with the guile and wit not to sound like a fishwife and secondly Len McClusky would resign1 -
BREXIT has really put us in a bad place.FeersumEnjineeya said:
They don't seem to be struggling quite as much as we are. In terms of loss of life expectancy, Covid has hit the UK harder than many countries, and nowhere else has has people queuing for petrol. European supermarket shelves aren't as empty as ours, either. Pasta, chopped tomatoes and kidney beans almost all gone on my last shoping trip.turbotubbs said:
I think you go a bit far - we have some enormous challenges ahead, but we always do. The NHS has had winter crisis for as long as I can remember. There will never be enough money, time, medics to do all that could be done.Heathener said:
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere. We are not uniquely struggling. Things will improve. My guess is the fuel 'crisis' will be over by the weekend.3 -
Yes because you’re joining in the anti trans circle jerk. Isn’t it funny to make jokes about gender dysmorphia right??!Philip_Thompson said:
So you're attacking the person who was in the conversation for past remarks, rather than what was actually said at the time?Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.
I told a (true) story about how my daughter said she wants to be a butterfly when she grows up - and a joke was told in reply. Anyone who's had kids has probably had similar experiences, is that not something to talk about or joke about?
We all know it isn’t a joke - its just an opportunity for some bigotry.1 -
You know, if it is ever going to work it would be now when the labour market is incredibly tight and the supply of labour is more restricted than it was. Employers would need to focus on getting more out of their more expensive staff, even if it involved training them.MattW said:Morning all.
I see that SKS is being unexcoriated by his far left for not keeping a promise on a "£15 per hour" minimum wage.
Where was this promise?
And does setting a minimum wage at about 40% (rough number) of Median Wage work?
I think that you need to be very careful with policies such as the NMW so as not to overdo it and cause unnecessary unemployment but you should also take advantage of situations such as we have right now. Doing so will transfer more of the burden of financing the low paid from in work benefits to where it belongs, on those that employ them. It is an opportunity to reduce inequality and reduce government spending. I am not sure about £15 but an increase substantially beyond inflation and well over £10 makes sense.1 -
How was that rude in comparison to you saying we were unbecoming, undermining and belittling because of talking about butterflies and young children. You threw the first stone.Gallowgate said:
There’s no need to be rude.MaxPB said:
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.1 -
You've been chatting to your Dad...rcs1000 said:When Starmer retires after three terms in Number Ten in about 2039, I doubt Reeves will be in the running.
I know a little girl of about 5 who insisted she was a mouse but on her birthday was an owl.MarqueeMark said:
.....until you broke her heart - when informing her she'd need to spend 37 years as a caterpillar first.....Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.1 -
I most certainly did not. I’m calling out outright bigotry and abuse and you’re hiding behind “oh it was just a joke”.Philip_Thompson said:
How was that rude in comparison to you saying we were unbecoming, undermining and belittling because of talking about butterflies and young children. You threw the first stone.Gallowgate said:
There’s no need to be rude.MaxPB said:
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.0 -
🤷♂️Gallowgate said:
There’s no need to be rude.MaxPB said:
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.
Women don't have cocks. I think that's a pretty uncontroversial statement of biological fact. That you're contorting yourself into a position where the phrase "her dick" becomes a reality shows just how far off kilter you are and just how much reality you've had to suspend ti support this belief.1 -
Thankfully the market is doing a good job at the moment, of lifting many people above the minimum wage without needing any government intervention.DavidL said:
You know, if it is ever going to work it would be now when the labour market is incredibly tight and the supply of labour is more restricted than it was. Employers would need to focus on getting more out of their more expensive staff, even if it involved training them.MattW said:Morning all.
I see that SKS is being unexcoriated by his far left for not keeping a promise on a "£15 per hour" minimum wage.
Where was this promise?
And does setting a minimum wage at about 40% (rough number) of Median Wage work?
I think that you need to be very careful with policies such as the NMW so as not to overdo it and cause unnecessary unemployment but you should also take advantage of situations such as we have right now. Doing so will transfer more of the burden of financing the low paid from in work benefits to where it belongs, on those that employ them. It is an opportunity to reduce inequality and reduce government spending. I am not sure about £15 but an increase substantially beyond inflation and well over £10 makes sense.3 -
Having just returned from almost a month inside the EU, the situation here does seem unique. There aren’t any shortages in Italy, France, Germany, nor any reported suggestions of such. The only parallel I could find is that some hospitality businesses are struggling to find staff - ironically in once case at least because during the lockdown some of their staff left to retrain as drivers.turbotubbs said:
I think you go a bit far - we have some enormous challenges ahead, but we always do. The NHS has had winter crisis for as long as I can remember. There will never be enough money, time, medics to do all that could be done.Heathener said:
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere. We are not uniquely struggling. Things will improve. My guess is the fuel 'crisis' will be over by the weekend.0 -
You’re entitled to your beliefs and they are entirely valid but there’s no need to be inflammatory and belittling for the sake of it. You know exactly what you’re doing.MaxPB said:
🤷♂️Gallowgate said:
There’s no need to be rude.MaxPB said:
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.
Women don't have cocks. I think that's a pretty uncontroversial statement of biological fact. That you're contorting yourself into a position where the phrase "her dick" becomes a reality shows just how far off kilter you are and just how much reality you've had to suspend ti support this belief.0 -
I’m still being paid below minimum wage 🤔Sandpit said:
Thankfully the market is doing a good job at the moment, of lifting many people above the minimum wage without needing any government intervention.DavidL said:
You know, if it is ever going to work it would be now when the labour market is incredibly tight and the supply of labour is more restricted than it was. Employers would need to focus on getting more out of their more expensive staff, even if it involved training them.MattW said:Morning all.
I see that SKS is being unexcoriated by his far left for not keeping a promise on a "£15 per hour" minimum wage.
Where was this promise?
And does setting a minimum wage at about 40% (rough number) of Median Wage work?
I think that you need to be very careful with policies such as the NMW so as not to overdo it and cause unnecessary unemployment but you should also take advantage of situations such as we have right now. Doing so will transfer more of the burden of financing the low paid from in work benefits to where it belongs, on those that employ them. It is an opportunity to reduce inequality and reduce government spending. I am not sure about £15 but an increase substantially beyond inflation and well over £10 makes sense.0 -
No you're trying to cancel any opposite view because you realise just how ridiculous your own position is.Gallowgate said:
I most certainly did not. I’m calling out outright bigotry and abuse and you’re hiding behind “oh it was just a joke”.Philip_Thompson said:
How was that rude in comparison to you saying we were unbecoming, undermining and belittling because of talking about butterflies and young children. You threw the first stone.Gallowgate said:
There’s no need to be rude.MaxPB said:
You say someone with a cock and bollocks can be a woman. It's ridiculous.Gallowgate said:
There’s no joke here - its just blatant undermining and belittlement. Remember @MaxPB happily describes transwomen as “men in dresses”.Philip_Thompson said:
Trans issues are serious but that's no reason to not have a sense of humour.Gallowgate said:
You know this stuff is very unbecoming of you. I expected better of both you and @Philip_Thompson.MaxPB said:
You need to get her on butterfly hormone therapy. Just teach her to say they key words and the tavistock will hand them over!Philip_Thompson said:
Love it!Casino_Royale said:My two-year is very fluid. She identifies as a dinosaur, cat, fox, train and a car - all inside the space of a few minutes.
Until a few months ago my five year old was saying that when she grows up she wants to be a butterfly.
You should read our debate last night if you want to see what a rational and respectful debate on trans issues looks like.3 -
It's quite obvious that it's making us all poorer, and this will manifest itself in various and sometimes unexpected ways. What else should we expect when we get rid of a large number of our most productive workers and make trade more difficult and bureaucratic for our businesses? It's not exactly rocket science.swing_voter said:
BREXIT has really put us in a bad place.FeersumEnjineeya said:
They don't seem to be struggling quite as much as we are. In terms of loss of life expectancy, Covid has hit the UK harder than many countries, and nowhere else has has people queuing for petrol. European supermarket shelves aren't as empty as ours, either. Pasta, chopped tomatoes and kidney beans almost all gone on my last shoping trip.turbotubbs said:
I think you go a bit far - we have some enormous challenges ahead, but we always do. The NHS has had winter crisis for as long as I can remember. There will never be enough money, time, medics to do all that could be done.Heathener said:
That post was fine until you got to the 'it's ok' bit.rcs1000 said:
Now, I know I'm in a posh part of LA, but I haven't seen any shortages... yet.Sandpit said:Meanwhile, an American perspective, which is obviously because of Brexit…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-24/inflation-and-supply-shortages-mean-a-return-of-empty-shelves-and-panic-buying
”Walk around a supermarket in the U.S. or Europe and you will see some empty shelves once more. This isn’t due to people panic-buying toilet paper, as they did early on in the pandemic; rather it’s because supply chains are clogged at almost every stage between Asian factories and grocery stock rooms.
“But rising prices and patchy availability mean it’s only a matter of time before shoppers start purchasing in bulk again — this time to avoid future sticker shock.
“Supply lines are struggling as producers such as Vietnam, responsible for making everything from sneakers to coffee, are hurt by Covid restrictions. Surging virus cases and consumer demand are leading to congested ports. Shipping containers are in the wrong place. Sea freight costs are up tenfold. If goods do arrive at the destined ports, there are too few truck drivers to transport them to retailers. Shortages of workers to harvest and prepare foods are also adding to the pressures.”
Today I filled up my (@Dura_Ace approved) car with petrol, without problems.
My gut - and it's just a gut - is that there is a post Covid demand boom, that is causing supply crunches everywhere. But it's most acute in the UK, simply because Covid hit almost immediately following Brexit. It meant that those who could drive could earn great money in less stressful food delivery jobs, and the normal steady flow people through training was disrupted.
And you know what, that's OK.
No-one is going to starve. Things will adjust. The cost of trucking stuff around will probably increase. And yes, that will have an impact on the price we pay for things.
No it isn't. If you lived here you'd realise that it really, really, isn't. We have horrendous multiple crises going on in the UK at the moment. You may not be a fan of the NHS, for instance, but the situation is absolutely dire. I know several people who have had cancer diagnoses missed during the past 18 months and are now in real trouble. Try getting a face to face appointment with a GP and it's nigh-impossible.
And there are people who ARE on the bread line, especially with the cut in universal credit.
I could go on but please don't post aloof messages from sunny LA trying to tell us it's all fine. That's as bad as the Metropolitan Elite Remainers who never, ever, got the issue in the ghost towns of the north and east of England.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere. We are not uniquely struggling. Things will improve. My guess is the fuel 'crisis' will be over by the weekend.4
