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IshmaelZ said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Have you tried comparing that with a map of existing housing density? It's like saying the passengers on the Titanic had a much greater interest than the public at large, in rowing boats. The sort of hilariously shit point which easily outweighs about 25 or 30 valid ones which you might make. But carry on by all means.

Are you saying that people living in areas with lots of housing are happy to see more housing or the converse? It’s hard to make out.

Looking at the map, it seems that people living the major conurbations are much more relaxed & positive about housebuilding than people in the shires are.

Scotland is obviously different - both the shires & the conurbations are positive about house-building. But just step over the border into Northumbria and the attitude changes,

HYUFD said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Scotland population density 65 per km squared, England population density 281 km squared.

Scotland has the space most of England doesn't for large amounts of new development.

However if Scotland wants to take most of the UK's future immigrants fine

But the map isn't averaged at that level. |So that argument is meaningless.

Carnyx said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Country with population density of 65/sqkm has fewer NIMBYs than country with 434- whodathunk it?

I hadn't heard the SNP advance "less NIMBYism" as one of Scotland's alleged moral superiorities before - one to add to the list!

Given Scotland is such a welcoming, open and liberal country, why do very many more immigrants choose to live in England? It's a puzzle!

Another way of looking at population density is that the green blob in the south-east is London. The green blob at the top is Scotland, and is far larger, yet there are more people living in London.

That (implied) argument falls down because of the data level, I'd suggest That green blob at the top is not green because it is averaged out at a national level. That map is averaged out at the level of a local authority ward. The only NIMBY area is a Tory ward, but lots and lots of other wards are green, even in equally Tory and even denser areas such as Morningside or Barnton or the Glasgow area equivalents.

It was not intended to make the argument you refute. How could it be, when comparing the two green areas of Scotland and London, which differ so greatly in population density yet are both green?

RobD said:

Dura_Ace said:

Cyclefree said:

Anyway after many hours hospital sent Husband home without really doing anything. Told to come back if still not better.

The system's fucked. I was in A&E for 16 hours when I fucked myself in that recent motorbike accident. I couldn't face going back so I cut my cast off with a pneumatic rotary die grinder and made my own splint with thermoplastic off eBay and velcro tape. Got a megaton yield thermonuclear bollocking of Mrs DA for this act of hardy self-reliance.

I'm curious, do you experience fear?

Not any more. I've been to Boundary Park as a visiting Leeds fan on a February night in the 80s. Apart from the more or less continuous close quarters combat the piss was frozen solid in the urinals.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Carnyx said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Country with population density of 65/sqkm has fewer NIMBYs than country with 434- whodathunk it?

I hadn't heard the SNP advance "less NIMBYism" as one of Scotland's alleged moral superiorities before - one to add to the list!

Given Scotland is such a welcoming, open and liberal country, why do very many more immigrants choose to live in England? It's a puzzle!

Another way of looking at population density is that the green blob in the south-east is London. The green blob at the top is Scotland, and is far larger, yet there are more people living in London.

That (implied) argument falls down because of the data level, I'd suggest That green blob at the top is not green because it is averaged out at a national level. That map is averaged out at the level of a local authority ward. The only NIMBY area is a Tory ward, but lots and lots of other wards are green, even in equally Tory and even denser areas such as Morningside or Barnton or the Glasgow area equivalents.

It was not intended to make the argument you refute. How could it be, when comparing the two green areas of Scotland and London, which differ so greatly in population density yet are both green?

Sorry, yes, thinking of what other posters were saying/implying.

Malmesbury said:

MattW said:

Morning all. Interesting events last night.

On streetlights, we have been on that one as a country for about 15 years, and now about 60% of streetlights are leds , which are not necessarily cheaper to run than sodium (orange) lights, but are more directed and last far longer.

If you want to know the lifecycle cost of a lamp post and light (minus energy I think), then build a housing estate. Part of your S106 agreement will be a sum for provision and maintenance them for 25 years. It is well into 4 figures per lighting pole.

The main benefit of LEDs is how long they last, which reduces maintenance a lot.

Cost of conversion is a couple of hundred per lamp post; annual savings are about £30. Quick but a far slower payback than converting your house lights; mine paid back in 18 months back in 2013.

A huge benefit of LEDs for self-managed landlords has been the reduction in phonecalls on Saturday afternoons "can you come and change a lightbulb?".

On dark skies, it looks like all the National Parks will end up with them, and perhaps AONBs. A mate in Fovant in Dorset, (who has a passive haus that paus for his Council Tax in FIT income) which is in one, says they just all carry torches after dark.

This is the current status. ~6o% replaced, ~30% reduction in power used (industry numbers though..). And control of floodlights is a common planning condition. The visual impression of the graphic is interestingly misleading due to the drawing.


https://ukrlg.ciht.org.uk/media/12711/transpro_january2021_ukrlg.pdf

I love that Sky darkness is measured on the "Bortle Scale", which makes me laugh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bortle_scale

Don't believe the "UK is useless" obsessives; this one is mainly just happening.

One benefit of the LEDs in streetlamps is EV charging. For some reason, quite a few street lamps are wired for 32A - nearly all for over 20A.... Which means when you switch over, there is a quite alot of spare capacity.

Round where I live, in West London, there is a quiet, on going program of replacing the street lamps with ones with charging units built into the base.

I would hope that a suitble proportion of new lamp posts those installed since say 2015 alteady have provision for a plug-in module for say 7kW charging already in place.

That's roughly when I had my nearly free charger installed at home, and I can't see any reason for them not to have done so.

StuartDickson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Leave vs Remain correlation high. Is Leaverism just Nimbyism?

Probably connected. Not a major determinant though.

For one thing there's plenty of green in the Hartlepool area ...

Selebian said:

Selebian said:

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

noneoftheabove said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Is Boris making a statement about AUUKUS in the House today? If so, Sir Keir should go with the following questions.

Does this new alliance require us to provide specific military capabilities? If so will they require additional funding.

Will we be legally obliged to commit combat troops under the new alliance and if so under what circumstances?

Intelligence is to be shared. What intelligence is to be shared with whom. Are there any restrictions on what intelligence we must share and who decides this?

Technology is to be shared. Ditto.

Will this new alliance require the permanent stationing of British armed forces in the Indo-Pacific region?

Surely the most important question is could no-one think of a better acronym than AUUKUS? Because if they can't I doubt they can save us anyway.

Small point but it is now AUKUS

CAUKUS by next month?

China?!

Of course, if France replaced Australia we'd be left with FUKUS or replacing US then AUFUK, both of which could be quite apt

OF we get the EU as well, it can be FUKEU, which is good for a defence organisation. And for Brexiteers.

Canada. Average of last 12 polls. Last day of poliing Sept 13-15.
Parties highest and lowest scores disregarded.

Lib 31.8 (-1.3)
Con 31.4 (-2.9)
NDP 19.5 (+3.5)
BQ 6.6 (-1.0)
PPC 6.5 (+4.9)
GP 3.4 (-3.2) Changes with previous election.

Not much movement. Slight closing for the Tories.

Re. Turnout, which will be key. The NDP lead amongst the young Also have traditionally been victims of tactical voting in close elections.. Expect them to undershoot.
Libs pretty consistent amongst the age range.
BQ always turnout. They may do better.
Big unknown is PPC turnout. Will they vote? Will some/many/very few end up voting Tory through gritted teeth? Will they outnumber the left's "harrumph but go on then" vote for Justin?
We really don't have any evidence to answer that.
Also. Much more postal voting and advance voting too. We can't say what a factor that will be.
It is super close.

Perceptive observation:

Liz Truss’s role as trade secretary has made her popular with the grassroots desperate for evidence of an economic rationale for Brexit. The Prime Minister might have been wary about promoting someone so ambitious to one of the great offices of state (Truss is now Foreign Secretary) but I suspect he thinks it is in his interests that it is not just the Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, who is discussed as a possible successor. It is never good for a prime minister to have only one obvious successor.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/conservatives/2021/09/the-real-winners-and-losers-of-boris-johnsons-cabinet-reshuffle

The EU was blindsided by last night's announcement of the new AUKUS alliance. The Commission says it 'was not informed about this project' and is now asking for 'more information'. A spox insists: 'It will have no impact on our bilateral relations with the partners in question.'

https://twitter.com/nickgutteridge/status/1438452284883705856?s=20

Wait until France assumes EU Presidency.....

TOPPING said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

We do not agree often but I do agree with you on this

OK that's it He hath spoken.

Mrs G cuts those stories out of the Daily Mail with scissors, before he gets to see it.....

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Given Scotland is such a welcoming, open and liberal country, why do very many more immigrants choose to live in England? It's a puzzle!

Yes Jim, we feel the love.

I know you want it to be a meme, a bit like Private Eye and 'that' photo of Andrew Neil, but I genuinely have no idea who this is or the point you are making.

Interesting thread:

The original SEA 1000 requirements for the Australian submarine were screaming out for nuclear propulsion. The distances to be covered at speed, the endurance needs, crew life support, power and cooling. Sticking to a non-nuclear policy was challenged at the time.

France makes great submarines. Nuclear and non-nuclear.

France has never shared nuclear propulsion with anyone, and were not going to do so with Australia. Even the Anglo-French "Entente Nucleaire" design cooperation was hard to arrange, between nuke powers, and mainly bringing your own homework to shared design and test facilities.

Once Australia crossed the point of recognising nuclear propulsion fits their large-area surveillance role far better than diesel, batteries and Stirling Engines, France were never going to give them a reactor.

It also wasn't a shock to France, regardless of official statements above sharp cutlery and vertebrae.

There is not a chance France were not approached for nuclear propulsion once SEA 1000 was diving deep into details and subsequently replied "Non".

https://twitter.com/TotherChris/status/1438448919420280836?s=20

turbotubbs said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Given Scotland is such a welcoming, open and liberal country, why do very many more immigrants choose to live in England? It's a puzzle!

Yes Jim, we feel the love.

I know you want it to be a meme, a bit like Private Eye and 'that' photo of Andrew Neil, but I genuinely have no idea who this is or the point you are making.

That he has an unhealthy obsession with Scottish Labour leaders? This, and the avatar...

HYUFD said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Scotland population density 65 per km squared, England population density 281 km squared.

Scotland has the space most of England doesn't for large amounts of new development.

However if Scotland wants to take most of the UK's future immigrants fine

To make such an assessment you would surely include only land that was reasonably flat?

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

I'm down wif da youth...

Do you refer to the coming weekend as ‘this weekend’ or ‘next weekend’? The nation is divided, and age is key

All Britons: 'this' 40% / 'next' 56%

18-29 year olds: 61% / 31%
30-39: 51% / 41%
40-49: 47% / 52%
50-59: 27% / 71%
60+: 25% / 70%

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1438454306932510724?s=20

But then again today is Thursday and the question was asked Monday/Tuesday.....

Just listened to Boris's statement on AUUKUS. It seems obvious that we're just talking a weapons-procurement project here. The idea that this is going to replace NATO with a myriad of other nations queuing up to join seems utterly laughable.

Selebian said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

The point is surely that by abandoning Islamic dress codes she is demonstrating - or seeking to demonstrate - a break with her past views, rather than seeking to appeal to the SeanT perv brigade?

IanB2 said:

Selebian said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

The point is surely that by abandoning Islamic dress codes she is demonstrating - or seeking to demonstrate - a break with her past views, rather than seeking to appeal to the SeanT perv brigade?

Or trying whatever she can to achieve her aims?

gealbhan said:

CarlottaVance said:

Interesting thread:

The original SEA 1000 requirements for the Australian submarine were screaming out for nuclear propulsion. The distances to be covered at speed, the endurance needs, crew life support, power and cooling. Sticking to a non-nuclear policy was challenged at the time.

France makes great submarines. Nuclear and non-nuclear.

France has never shared nuclear propulsion with anyone, and were not going to do so with Australia. Even the Anglo-French "Entente Nucleaire" design cooperation was hard to arrange, between nuke powers, and mainly bringing your own homework to shared design and test facilities.

Once Australia crossed the point of recognising nuclear propulsion fits their large-area surveillance role far better than diesel, batteries and Stirling Engines, France were never going to give them a reactor.

It also wasn't a shock to France, regardless of official statements above sharp cutlery and vertebrae.

There is not a chance France were not approached for nuclear propulsion once SEA 1000 was diving deep into details and subsequently replied "Non".

https://twitter.com/TotherChris/status/1438448919420280836?s=20

How quickly till they can replace the current geriatric diesel ones though?

That is this change isn’t it, diesel to nuclear?

They will lifex the Collins class to 2040 at least.

CarlottaVance said:

Farooq said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Why don't those attitudes translate into votes? It's been a long time since Scotland voted Conservative but England usually does. Same with Wales, been Labour as long as I can remember.
There's a really odd divide growing between unionists and nationalists in that unionists seem quite keen on emphasising polls over votes. I believe that attitude is a mistake.

The clues in the names - "Unionists" prefer cooperation, "Nationalists" division - by pretending there are differences in attitudes where none exist...

LOL, Lady Haw Haw transmits more guff

Carnyx said:

CarlottaVance said:

Farooq said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Why don't those attitudes translate into votes? It's been a long time since Scotland voted Conservative but England usually does. Same with Wales, been Labour as long as I can remember.
There's a really odd divide growing between unionists and nationalists in that unionists seem quite keen on emphasising polls over votes. I believe that attitude is a mistake.

The clues in the names - "Unionists" prefer cooperation, "Nationalists" division - by pretending there are differences in attitudes where none exist...

But you're a ferocious British Nationalist anyway, so that is meaningless.

It's the Scottish National, not Nationalist, Party as you know full well.

Nothing worse than a peeved loser who failed in Scotland and is now an uber unionist zealot. You can only pity someone with such a chip on their shoulder, tries even harder than Brown did to be English.

Selebian said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

HTG generally stands for hard to get, not hot teenage girl. Not sure if Leon was aware, and obviously those groups have an overlap, especially for certain middle aged men.

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

You don't think attitudes bleed into politics?
In that case what is the reason for the politics of one part of the Union being driven for decades by anti immigration, anti EU rightwingers and it's population voting for that/them, and another part of the Union very much not voting for that/them? Are politics and political parties essentially irrelevant to the population at large?

You think people vote SNP because they believe their guff about Scotland being morally superior with more enlightened attitudes than England and on the inevitable path to independence?

Or because they think they'll do a better job of screwing money out of Westminster for Scotland?

Ah well, we're narrowing it down at least.
Hard heided cynical Jocks vote for a party that's pro EU and immigration but only cos they'll screw the lovely English for more money.
Lovely English vote for an anti EU and immigration party cos they *checks notes* prefer cooperation.

Got it.

Carlotta has contracted HYFUD disease and gets more rabid by the day.

turbotubbs said:

IanB2 said:

Selebian said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

The point is surely that by abandoning Islamic dress codes she is demonstrating - or seeking to demonstrate - a break with her past views, rather than seeking to appeal to the SeanT perv brigade?

Or trying whatever she can to achieve her aims?

My guess is that she'd heard that Topping was going to be Home Secretary after the reshuffle and so enquired as to what he liked in a woman

Farooq said:

CarlottaVance said:

Farooq said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Why don't those attitudes translate into votes? It's been a long time since Scotland voted Conservative but England usually does. Same with Wales, been Labour as long as I can remember.
There's a really odd divide growing between unionists and nationalists in that unionists seem quite keen on emphasising polls over votes. I believe that attitude is a mistake.

The clues in the names - "Unionists" prefer cooperation, "Nationalists" division - by pretending there are differences in attitudes where none exist...

You dodged my question, which I regret. Really, I'm interested in hearing why social attitude surveys are basically worthless in predicting bulk voting behaviour. I think it's an interesting question.

Carlotta is only interested in bashing Scotland, it is her life.

noneoftheabove said:

Selebian said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

HTG generally stands for hard to get, not hot teenage girl. Not sure if Leon was aware, and obviously those groups have an overlap, especially for certain middle aged men.

Well, this site is always an education. But possibly one overseen by Gavin Williamson...

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

IshmaelZ said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MaxPB said:

I do think reality is now dawning on the French of what Brexit really means for the standing of the EU (and by association France).

The UK brought a lot to the EU table and instead of accomodating the world's 5th largest economy, permanent UN security council member and major military power, the EU beancounters decided that losing the UK was a better choice than accomodating us. Now when key global decisions are being made the EU has got no presence, it's not in the room.

I have no love of the continual fracturing of the western alliance, however, it looks set to ramp up. I expect this new agreement will pull Japan, South Korea and India in as associate members fairly soon. I doubt any EU nation will be invited. Ultimately the US will want a very, very tightly closed circle on tech sharing. No single EU country can be trusted to keep the circle closed.

I understand the agreement is to be signed in the US next week with Boris travelling there and India and Japan invited to the ceremony

I really do not think our remainer colleagues have even started to understand what a devastating and profound blow this is, not just to France, but the EU itself

And the BBC may finally wake up to this and cover it

I have no dog in the fight, but why do Leavers think that Look, Brexit fucked up the EU, is a banker of an argument?

It's not an argument so much as it is the reality of "Brexit means Brexit" as the EU kept telling us over "cherry picking" and such. It was always going to cut both ways but loads of remainers and the EU in general had blinded themselves to the reality of downside risks to the EU of Brexit. Not being in the room was pointed out as a huge downside risk to them of leaving, they brushed it off and acted as though the same level of security cooperation would exist. I remember having discussions with people on here about it and the general remain/EU assumption was that the UK would continue to play a full part in the defence of the EU, it was very obviously not going to happen that way.

Now everyone needs to live within that new reality. The UK brought the EU with it when we were members, now we won't.

I have no issue with that. EU membership for me was about the single market, common standards, freedom of movement, shared values. Defence cooperation was and is NATO, and now depending on how it develops AUKUS.

The French will be seething but these things happen. They will have to suck it up (but will no doubt also look for ways to get their own back).

We cannot ignore France however, they are the strongest European military power alongside us within NATO in terms of containing Putin's Russia. They have also played a key role with us in Africa in taking on jihadis.

Yes we can share technologies and enable Australia to have nuclear submarines but at the end of the day it is regional powers in the Far East and Oceania ie not only Australia but Japan and South Korea and maybe India who need to take the lead on containing Xi's China under US leadership. We can provide support but we remain a power in Europe and the Atlantic mainly, since the end of the British Empire we are not a global superpower and since the Hong Kong handover there has been no danger of China threatening British territory directly

Careful, you don't want to go on the record in a "HYUFD Unbellyfeel Brexit" way.

Yes, it's a deal, and stiffing the French is never to be sniffed at, but is it that big a deal? And had it happened in, say, 2011, would it have looked that different?

In 2011 though of course it was Cameron and Sarkozy leading on taking action in Libya to stop a Gaddaffi bloodbath.

The fact is even post Brexit the EU is our largest trading destination for UK exports and France our closest military partner in maintaining security in Europe and Africa, yes we can be global Britain too but that does not mean forgetting our own backyard

They did a grand job in Libya , really improved things big time.

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

IshmaelZ said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MaxPB said:

I do think reality is now dawning on the French of what Brexit really means for the standing of the EU (and by association France).

The UK brought a lot to the EU table and instead of accomodating the world's 5th largest economy, permanent UN security council member and major military power, the EU beancounters decided that losing the UK was a better choice than accomodating us. Now when key global decisions are being made the EU has got no presence, it's not in the room.

I have no love of the continual fracturing of the western alliance, however, it looks set to ramp up. I expect this new agreement will pull Japan, South Korea and India in as associate members fairly soon. I doubt any EU nation will be invited. Ultimately the US will want a very, very tightly closed circle on tech sharing. No single EU country can be trusted to keep the circle closed.

I understand the agreement is to be signed in the US next week with Boris travelling there and India and Japan invited to the ceremony

I really do not think our remainer colleagues have even started to understand what a devastating and profound blow this is, not just to France, but the EU itself

And the BBC may finally wake up to this and cover it

I have no dog in the fight, but why do Leavers think that Look, Brexit fucked up the EU, is a banker of an argument?

It's not an argument so much as it is the reality of "Brexit means Brexit" as the EU kept telling us over "cherry picking" and such. It was always going to cut both ways but loads of remainers and the EU in general had blinded themselves to the reality of downside risks to the EU of Brexit. Not being in the room was pointed out as a huge downside risk to them of leaving, they brushed it off and acted as though the same level of security cooperation would exist. I remember having discussions with people on here about it and the general remain/EU assumption was that the UK would continue to play a full part in the defence of the EU, it was very obviously not going to happen that way.

Now everyone needs to live within that new reality. The UK brought the EU with it when we were members, now we won't.

I have no issue with that. EU membership for me was about the single market, common standards, freedom of movement, shared values. Defence cooperation was and is NATO, and now depending on how it develops AUKUS.

The French will be seething but these things happen. They will have to suck it up (but will no doubt also look for ways to get their own back).

We cannot ignore France however, they are the strongest European military power alongside us within NATO in terms of containing Putin's Russia. They have also played a key role with us in Africa in taking on jihadis.

Yes we can share technologies and enable Australia to have nuclear submarines but at the end of the day it is regional powers in the Far East and Oceania ie not only Australia but Japan and South Korea and maybe India who need to take the lead on containing Xi's China under US leadership. We can provide support but we remain a power in Europe and the Atlantic mainly, since the end of the British Empire we are not a global superpower and since the Hong Kong handover there has been no danger of China threatening British territory directly

Careful, you don't want to go on the record in a "HYUFD Unbellyfeel Brexit" way.

Yes, it's a deal, and stiffing the French is never to be sniffed at, but is it that big a deal? And had it happened in, say, 2011, would it have looked that different?

In 2011 though of course it was Cameron and Sarkozy leading on taking action in Libya to stop a Gaddaffi bloodbath.

The fact is even post Brexit the EU is our largest trading destination for UK exports and France our closest military partner in maintaining security in Europe and Africa, yes we can be global Britain too but that does not mean forgetting our own backyard

They did a grand job in Libya , really improved things big time.

They stopped Gaddaffi massacring hundreds of thousands

noneoftheabove said:

Selebian said:

Selebian said:

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

noneoftheabove said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Is Boris making a statement about AUUKUS in the House today? If so, Sir Keir should go with the following questions.

Does this new alliance require us to provide specific military capabilities? If so will they require additional funding.

Will we be legally obliged to commit combat troops under the new alliance and if so under what circumstances?

Intelligence is to be shared. What intelligence is to be shared with whom. Are there any restrictions on what intelligence we must share and who decides this?

Technology is to be shared. Ditto.

Will this new alliance require the permanent stationing of British armed forces in the Indo-Pacific region?

Surely the most important question is could no-one think of a better acronym than AUUKUS? Because if they can't I doubt they can save us anyway.

Small point but it is now AUKUS

CAUKUS by next month?

China?!

Of course, if France replaced Australia we'd be left with FUKUS or replacing US then AUFUK, both of which could be quite apt

Independent Scotland could give USASUK or AUSSUK. But I think getting France, Canada and South Korea on board would really open up the childish swearing possibilities.

Nothing will beat UKok.

Farooq said:

HYUFD said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as different as some would like you to believe:

In Scotland, England and Wales, people are united in their belief that equality (78%, 76%, 78%), tolerance (83%, 83%, 83%), liberty (86%, 87%,83%), and diversity (82%, 82%, 80%) are important to making them proud of their nation.

The poll also showed that people are across the three nations are largely agreed on controversial social questions around limits on immigration, the nature of British history, and the balance between equality and opportunity in society.

On priorities, people in all three nations said that making the NHS the best healthcare system in the world needed to be the clear top focus for government.

Similarly, people across all the countries of the UK prioritised a dignified retirement for old people, fighting climate change, and making sure every child has the best education as other top priorities.

https://ourscottishfuture.org/poll-shows-uk-wide-shared-priorities-and-values/

Unionists see what they want to see. Again. Yawn.

Nationalists can't face the facts. Again. Yawn.

England and Scotland are identical.

Scottish VI
SNP 50%
SCon 29%
SLab 16%
SGP 1%
SLD 1%
oth (presumably Alba) 2%

Boris Johnson net approval
Midlands -4
London -9
South -17
North -18
Wales -23
N Ireland -34
Scotland -46
UK -17

Duh. Someone who can't tell the difference between voting intentions and attitudes - which Nationalists keep insisting are different when they are in fact virtually identical....if anything, England a little more tolerant.....

Yeah, that’s right, English and Scottish attitudes are identical.

Regression poll by Electoral Calculus and FindoutnowUK for Property Chronicle shows where the Nimbys are in Britain. Some areas (green) want more property development locally, and others (red) don't.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_property_20210721.html

Scotland population density 65 per km squared, England population density 281 km squared.

Scotland has the space most of England doesn't for large amounts of new development.

However if Scotland wants to take most of the UK's future immigrants fine

A reminder that the map is about attitudes towards development, not immigration.

However the more you increase immigration, the more you need to build new houses for some them

Theuniondivvie said:

noneoftheabove said:

Selebian said:

Selebian said:

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

noneoftheabove said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Is Boris making a statement about AUUKUS in the House today? If so, Sir Keir should go with the following questions.

Does this new alliance require us to provide specific military capabilities? If so will they require additional funding.

Will we be legally obliged to commit combat troops under the new alliance and if so under what circumstances?

Intelligence is to be shared. What intelligence is to be shared with whom. Are there any restrictions on what intelligence we must share and who decides this?

Technology is to be shared. Ditto.

Will this new alliance require the permanent stationing of British armed forces in the Indo-Pacific region?

Surely the most important question is could no-one think of a better acronym than AUUKUS? Because if they can't I doubt they can save us anyway.

Small point but it is now AUKUS

CAUKUS by next month?

China?!

Of course, if France replaced Australia we'd be left with FUKUS or replacing US then AUFUK, both of which could be quite apt

Independent Scotland could give USASUK or AUSSUK. But I think getting France, Canada and South Korea on board would really open up the childish swearing possibilities.

Nothing will beat UKok.

Ladbrokesexchange.com when Ladbrokes first took over Betdaq is hard to beat. Brings together political betting and the trans debate all in one url.

Curious facemask wearing from Selous.

https://twitter.com/AndrewSelous/status/1438449536456925184/photo/1

Selebian said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Have to say I usually think a lot of @TOPPING's posts but I'm very disappointed in the way they're talking about women now. I would not be at all happy if it were my daughter being spoken about in the way, as I am sure they would agree if it were theirs.

Can we just leave this kind of language at the door and just try and be a bit more respectful. This kind of language adds nothing to the debate and turns us into other sites which I purposefully come here to avoid.

If it continues, I will consider posting elsewhere.

Edit:

And the same goes for @isam too.

It's not so much the language as the lack of content (it would get very dull here if every other post was "wow, X is hot").

There's a legitimate point that Begum has changed her appearance/style to be (or at least, having the effect of being) much more sympathetic to a UK press. Prettier if you like, but also - more importantly - looking more 'Western' by which I mean having an appearance that would not be acceptable to ISIS. I'd not really have a problem with "she's made herself look hot to appeal to the UK press a lot more" although it's not the language I'd use.

For Leon's point the other day about Raducanu doing well off-court with the press partly due to looks, it's a legitimate point. The thing that made me cringe there was finding out that he has an acronym for (apparently) hot teenage girl.

As this is pedanticbetting.com, I feel duty-bound to point out that it is an initialism, not an acronym.

F1: Vettel confirmed for 2022 at Aston Martin.

The horror...the absolute horror....having to eat white bread.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9997085/Michaela-Strachan-criticizes-2250-quarantine-hotel.html

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Theuniondivvie said:

Groundgord Day on R4.

Broony: I know what Scots really want, and it’s not BJ & his muscular Unionism and it’s not the Scottish nationalists.

It’s Labour isn’t it!

The Big Broon One. The gift that keeps on giving.

Don’t tell me, he also relaunched “federalism” for the ten thousand five hundred and twenty second time?

Yep, ‘we must look again at the constitution’ was mumbled out with the concomitant absence of any concrete proposals.

Even he must flinch at his own ridiculousness. Just oozes insincerity.

What in Brown's three years as Prime Minister - or since then - gave you a clue that he has any sense of shame or self-awareness?

The public archive is jam-packed full of evidence to the contrary. Broon is a spectacular specimen. The amazing thing is that his reputation in the history books will be far more flattering than the Tory duds who followed.

That is a very low bar and Brown is an absolute sellout traitor, a cretin and one of the worst arseholes to come out of Scotland in many many years.

... and, more importantly, a monumentally incompetent Chancellor and Prime Minister, many of whose screwups we're still dealing with.

Yet still less incompetent than Cameron, May and Johnson. Must smart.

This vitriol directed at Brown by our friendly neighbourhood ScotNats is noteworthy. I hold no brief for him at all but suspect that he is held in a reasonably high regard by many Scots. As is the Labour Party. There is simply not the visceral dislike for the party that there is for the Tories . Ultimately, however far off it may be, the revival of Scottish Labour remains an existential threat to Indy. Their time may come...

Yeah, Scottish Labour are really, really popular. We’re filling our breeks.

SNP 51%
SCon 21%
SLab 17%
SLD 5%

3–8 Sep 2021 Opinium/Sky News

I'm reminded of this sort of stuff in 2014

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/gordon-brown-backs-federalism-event-no-vote-1528957

Exactly the clown did nothing for Scotland as per Labour party. They were only interested in filling their own pockets and wrestling for seats in HOL. Bunch of wasters that got what they deserved.

So a bit like the SNP leadership then?

Minus the HOL element.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Good job this bloke wasn't held up by the eco-marxists on the M25...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9996613/VIDEO-Turkish-digger-driver-destroys-trucks-row-non-payment-wages.html

What a shame that bloke wasn't held up by the eco-marxists on the M25 ...

FrancisUrquhart said:

The horror...the absolute horror....having to eat white bread.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9997085/Michaela-Strachan-criticizes-2250-quarantine-hotel.html

Unless South Africa is on everyone else's red list why not just head to another country on the UK's green or amber list for 10 days in the mean time ?