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@Cookie have you seen Skins0
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No, I haven't - should I?CorrectHorseBattery said:@Cookie have you seen Skins
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Have they come down with it?OldKingCole said:
Wonder how Mr isam and his girl-friend are getting on.DougSeal said:English cases down again (very slightly!) week on week. 29,417 vs 29,762.
UK up but only marginally by 2,000 from last Thursday.0 -
No.GIN1138 said:Will the Dems pull the plug on Biden in the next few days?
But what it will have done is reinforced, in the minds of many in Democratic leadership positions, that Biden is not the right man to lead the Party into the next election.
To force him out requires that the VP and the Cabinet are willing to basically go to him and say "resign on health grounds, or we'll be invoking the 25th". That's a pretty major step - albeit one that is made rather easier by the fact that Biden does not, and has never had, a big constituency of devoted fans inside the party.
There's also the question of timings. Let us assume that the Dems want Biden to go. Unless Harris is planning on completely reversing the Afghanistan strategy (and while she's been far from supportive of the President, that's probably a bridge too far) then it would make more sense to stick the knife in once the US has left Afghanistan.
After all, you want all the shit to stick to the old bloke who's no longer there.
But, of course, once the US is no longer there, then neither are the headlines.
Plus, you will have a number of potential Presidential challengers (like Buttigieg), for whom the perfect situation is one where he's running against the VP, not against a sitting President. So, does he really want Biden to be forced out? (And he is a Cabinet secretary)0 -
She has symptoms but has tested negative twice on the LFT. I have symptoms of panic and worryFoxy said:
Have they come down with it?OldKingCole said:
Wonder how Mr isam and his girl-friend are getting on.DougSeal said:English cases down again (very slightly!) week on week. 29,417 vs 29,762.
UK up but only marginally by 2,000 from last Thursday.0 -
Yes, the National Review, such a consistent viewpoint on US troops in Afghanistan.IshmaelZ said:
That is required reading.Leon said:
This is absolutely brutal but necessary reading on the terrible catastrophe of Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands stranded. An American clusterfuck of monumental proportions. And this was written BEFORE the explosionsDecrepiterJohnL said:
In the eyes of the American public, these deaths will either confirm Biden was right to GTFO asap rather than risk more American lives for no discernible gain, or condemn him for unnecessary deaths. Could go either way. Or both. Dunno really.Leon said:What does this do to Biden?
At least 30 reported dead now, and…
‘Very preliminary report—But reliable sources familiar with the situation on the ground in Afghanistan are telling my team that four US Marines were killed in bombing outside of the Kabul Airport. Again, this is preliminary, but horrific if confirmed. Pray.’
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1430911739952984078?s=21
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-abandons-our-allies-what-its-really-like-on-the-ground-in-kabul/
Shameful. And horrible
Here's the NR in November last year saying troops should be out - by Christmas.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-not-to-mention-somalia/2 -
We should appreciate this Joe Root form. Must be for India what is was like for us when Steve Smith was impossible to dismiss a few years ago2
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How? How would it have been worse?rottenborough said:
Probably be calling the marines a bunch of losers.CatMan said:
If Trump was still President, he'd be denying anything bad had actually happened, and his supporters would have believed him.WhisperingOracle said:
It is ofcourse Trump's surrender originally, but he may benefit. Terrible scenes today.Chameleon said:US military deaths may change the equation a bit. It becomes even harder to sweep the Kabul surrender under the rug for Biden.
Whatever and however bad this gets it would have been worse under that clown.
This is a comforting lie for uneasy Bidenites
Biden and Trump BOTH fucked this up to fuckistan, and back again0 -
Biden and Trump are equally filth.Leon said:
How? How would it have been worse?rottenborough said:
Probably be calling the marines a bunch of losers.CatMan said:
If Trump was still President, he'd be denying anything bad had actually happened, and his supporters would have believed him.WhisperingOracle said:
It is ofcourse Trump's surrender originally, but he may benefit. Terrible scenes today.Chameleon said:US military deaths may change the equation a bit. It becomes even harder to sweep the Kabul surrender under the rug for Biden.
Whatever and however bad this gets it would have been worse under that clown.
This is a comforting lie for uneasy Bidenites
Biden and Trump BOTH fucked this up to fuckistan, and back again0 -
Indeed, although rather nicer to watch. Looks like there won't be a declaration tonight. I'd expect us to flash the bat a bit in the morning with a licence to get out trying. Something like a 350 lead. I'd be very worried if I had tickets for Saturday!isam said:We should appreciate this Joe Root form. Must be for India what is was like for us when Steve Smith was impossible to dismiss a few years ago
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Hopefully just coronochondria then!isam said:
She has symptoms but has tested negative twice on the LFT. I have symptoms of panic and worryFoxy said:
Have they come down with it?OldKingCole said:
Wonder how Mr isam and his girl-friend are getting on.DougSeal said:English cases down again (very slightly!) week on week. 29,417 vs 29,762.
UK up but only marginally by 2,000 from last Thursday.
Nonetheless, worth a proper PCR swab.1 -
Steve Smith will always be a cheat.isam said:We should appreciate this Joe Root form. Must be for India what is was like for us when Steve Smith was impossible to dismiss a few years ago
He doesn't deserve to be spoken in the same breath as Root, Kohli, and Williamson.1 -
There's a character in it called James "Cookie" Cook that's allCookie said:
No, I haven't - should I?CorrectHorseBattery said:@Cookie have you seen Skins
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300 the lead. I wonder if they declare when Root goes?0
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I suspect England will bat until we are all out.Sandpit said:300 the lead. I wonder if they declare when Root goes?
Remember in 2017 and 2019 the pitch got better to bat as the match progressed, which is why the Windies and England won matches by scoring 300 plus in the fourth innings.2 -
Anyhoo Champions League draw time.
There's going to be plenty of groups of death because they way things have already panned out.0 -
If the Taliban were clever and could see past their anti west hatred and need to get 'foreigners' out of the country they should go to the US and allies and give us more time to get out.
They surely want no part of these bombings and dealing with ISIS and AQ, so if you remove the western element you remove a large part of that threat.
Give us more time to get people out.0 -
News agencies are reporting at least 40 dead and 120 wounded in Kabul.0
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More time for them to have another go?jonny83 said:If the Taliban were clever and could see past their anti west hatred and need to get 'foreigners' out of the country they should go to the US and allies and give us more time to get out.
They surely want no part of these bombings and dealing with ISIS and AQ, so if you remove the western element you remove a large part of that threat.
Give us more time to get people out.0 -
You cursed him.Andy_JS said:Maybe Root could get 200 or 300.
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There are 26 automatic qualifiers. They could have made the draw in June.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo Champions League draw time.
There's going to be plenty of groups of death because they way things have already panned out.0 -
Oh crap, that changes things somewhat.williamglenn said:News agencies are reporting at least 40 dead and 120 wounded in Kabul.
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So? The Geraghty piece is pure reportage, which is why it deserves reading. Dougherty is about USA internalities. What is your point?SussexJames said:
Yes, the National Review, such a consistent viewpoint on US troops in Afghanistan.IshmaelZ said:
That is required reading.Leon said:
This is absolutely brutal but necessary reading on the terrible catastrophe of Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands stranded. An American clusterfuck of monumental proportions. And this was written BEFORE the explosionsDecrepiterJohnL said:
In the eyes of the American public, these deaths will either confirm Biden was right to GTFO asap rather than risk more American lives for no discernible gain, or condemn him for unnecessary deaths. Could go either way. Or both. Dunno really.Leon said:What does this do to Biden?
At least 30 reported dead now, and…
‘Very preliminary report—But reliable sources familiar with the situation on the ground in Afghanistan are telling my team that four US Marines were killed in bombing outside of the Kabul Airport. Again, this is preliminary, but horrific if confirmed. Pray.’
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1430911739952984078?s=21
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-abandons-our-allies-what-its-really-like-on-the-ground-in-kabul/
Shameful. And horrible
Here's the NR in November last year saying troops should be out - by Christmas.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-not-to-mention-somalia/0 -
I wouldn't quite go that far. Trump is worse, it is arguable he is so selfish, vain and deranged he is actively evil.Sean_F said:
Biden and Trump are equally filth.Leon said:
How? How would it have been worse?rottenborough said:
Probably be calling the marines a bunch of losers.CatMan said:
If Trump was still President, he'd be denying anything bad had actually happened, and his supporters would have believed him.WhisperingOracle said:
It is ofcourse Trump's surrender originally, but he may benefit. Terrible scenes today.Chameleon said:US military deaths may change the equation a bit. It becomes even harder to sweep the Kabul surrender under the rug for Biden.
Whatever and however bad this gets it would have been worse under that clown.
This is a comforting lie for uneasy Bidenites
Biden and Trump BOTH fucked this up to fuckistan, and back again
Biden isn't evil. He means "well". He has modestly good intentions. But he is far too old, doddery, incompetent, arrogant, querulous, and dogmatic. Reports say he was advised by many NOT to evacuate Afghanistan this way, he just shrugged them off, he thought his way was right. And here we are
The worst foreign policy disaster for the USA - ever? Possibly worse than Vietnam0 -
AAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
You cursed him.Andy_JS said:Maybe Root could get 200 or 300.
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Damn, that was a good ball. The declaration point could be moot in half an hour.0
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When i predicted england all out for 78 i meant the second innings.0
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Conv w CEO last night "There is no 'return to work.' We've hired more than half our team in the last 18 months. They are all over the country, and we don't have office space. I don't know what the future model will be, but it certainly will look nothing like it did in 2019..."
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Yes, the contortions of logic and memory in places are quite something.SussexJames said:
Yes, the National Review, such a consistent viewpoint on US troops in Afghanistan.IshmaelZ said:
That is required reading.Leon said:
This is absolutely brutal but necessary reading on the terrible catastrophe of Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands stranded. An American clusterfuck of monumental proportions. And this was written BEFORE the explosionsDecrepiterJohnL said:
In the eyes of the American public, these deaths will either confirm Biden was right to GTFO asap rather than risk more American lives for no discernible gain, or condemn him for unnecessary deaths. Could go either way. Or both. Dunno really.Leon said:What does this do to Biden?
At least 30 reported dead now, and…
‘Very preliminary report—But reliable sources familiar with the situation on the ground in Afghanistan are telling my team that four US Marines were killed in bombing outside of the Kabul Airport. Again, this is preliminary, but horrific if confirmed. Pray.’
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1430911739952984078?s=21
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-abandons-our-allies-what-its-really-like-on-the-ground-in-kabul/
Shameful. And horrible
Here's the NR in November last year saying troops should be out - by Christmas.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-not-to-mention-somalia/0 -
Invest in that Holiday Inn conference centre just off the motorway.FrancisUrquhart said:Conv w CEO last night "There is no 'return to work.' We've hired more than half our team in the last 18 months. They are all over the country, and we don't have office space. I don't know what the future model will be, but it certainly will look nothing like it did in 2019..."
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I have come to detest this form of argumentation. "Oh but look, that comes from a magazine/news agency/TV channel that was saying something else, or something silly, six months back, so we can ignore this entirely different story"IshmaelZ said:
So? The Geraghty piece is pure reportage, which is why it deserves reading. Dougherty is about USA internalities. What is your point?SussexJames said:
Yes, the National Review, such a consistent viewpoint on US troops in Afghanistan.IshmaelZ said:
That is required reading.Leon said:
This is absolutely brutal but necessary reading on the terrible catastrophe of Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands stranded. An American clusterfuck of monumental proportions. And this was written BEFORE the explosionsDecrepiterJohnL said:
In the eyes of the American public, these deaths will either confirm Biden was right to GTFO asap rather than risk more American lives for no discernible gain, or condemn him for unnecessary deaths. Could go either way. Or both. Dunno really.Leon said:What does this do to Biden?
At least 30 reported dead now, and…
‘Very preliminary report—But reliable sources familiar with the situation on the ground in Afghanistan are telling my team that four US Marines were killed in bombing outside of the Kabul Airport. Again, this is preliminary, but horrific if confirmed. Pray.’
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1430911739952984078?s=21
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-abandons-our-allies-what-its-really-like-on-the-ground-in-kabul/
Shameful. And horrible
Here's the NR in November last year saying troops should be out - by Christmas.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-not-to-mention-somalia/
I used to do it myself. Now I try not to. It's generally wrong. It also leads to misinformed bubblethink
Draw your news from many places. Judge each article on its own merits. Heck, even the Daily Express gets it right once a year. And if it's right, it is valuable information
That NR article is blistering, and to me seems entirely persuasive. Horrible things are happening beyond Kabul
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It's an excellent point: more Brits at home over the summer, means more demand for supermarket products. And as purchasing will be based on analyses of normal seasonal patterns of demand, you could very well imagine a situation where they have bought for 60 million people using supermarkets, and the actual number 61 or 62 million.Sandpit said:
There’s probably a couple of million more people in the UK at the moment, than one might expect from a ‘regular’ August.Cookie said:
Do you live in Devon, Francis, or am I confusing you with someone else? If so, that (i.e. heavy season of tourists in tourist hotspot) perhaps explains your travails.FrancisUrquhart said:
I believe it only takes a small percentage increase in unexpected demand (or I presume by the other side, reduction in capacity) to completely screw the JIT model.Cookie said:
Tesco has had its ups and downs, but Tesco Stretford seems to have everything at the moment and been fine for a couple of months. But when I did our holiday online shop a couple of weeks back Tesco Wadebridge was out of loads of things. A minor mystery how it can vary so much by region (Wadebridge probably has much greater problems with seasonality).FrancisUrquhart said:
Throughout the pandemic and pingdemic, I have had virtually no issues with Sainsbury's.CorrectHorseBattery said:Doing my online shop, Tesco seem to have absolutely nothing but yet Sainsbury's have no problems? Can anyone explain why?
When it seemed like everybody was hoarding bog rolls, I am sure the supermarkets were saying it was only taking 10% increase to cause it.
Most people, even those on holiday, will be getting around by car - as opposed to foreign tourists who are much less likely to go near a supermarket.1 -
One look at those videos tells you that many died. It looks like noon on the First Day of the SommeSandpit said:
Oh crap, that changes things somewhat.williamglenn said:News agencies are reporting at least 40 dead and 120 wounded in Kabul.
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LFC get Atletico. City PSG. Chelsea Juve. United Villareal.0
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Case in point, Joe Biden:kinabalu said:
Yes, the contortions of logic and memory in places are quite something.SussexJames said:
Yes, the National Review, such a consistent viewpoint on US troops in Afghanistan.IshmaelZ said:
That is required reading.Leon said:
This is absolutely brutal but necessary reading on the terrible catastrophe of Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands stranded. An American clusterfuck of monumental proportions. And this was written BEFORE the explosionsDecrepiterJohnL said:
In the eyes of the American public, these deaths will either confirm Biden was right to GTFO asap rather than risk more American lives for no discernible gain, or condemn him for unnecessary deaths. Could go either way. Or both. Dunno really.Leon said:What does this do to Biden?
At least 30 reported dead now, and…
‘Very preliminary report—But reliable sources familiar with the situation on the ground in Afghanistan are telling my team that four US Marines were killed in bombing outside of the Kabul Airport. Again, this is preliminary, but horrific if confirmed. Pray.’
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1430911739952984078?s=21
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-abandons-our-allies-what-its-really-like-on-the-ground-in-kabul/
Shameful. And horrible
Here's the NR in November last year saying troops should be out - by Christmas.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-not-to-mention-somalia/
"The Taliban will not take over Afghanistan" - oops
"There will be no helicopters on the roof of the US Embassy" - errrr
"There is no one being killed at the airport" - ouch
"Come on man, those guys fell off the plane four days ago. Five!" - Ohhhkayyyyyyy0 -
Another reunion with Luis Suarez.dixiedean said:LFC get Atletico.
Trying to remember the last time Liverpool faced Suarez in the Champions League.
Oh wait, I was there, I think we won 4 nil.1 -
Absolutely. My main concern was that they both needed to keep calm. She’s 32 weeks pregnant. Advised making sure the midwife knew.Foxy said:
Hopefully just coronochondria then!isam said:
She has symptoms but has tested negative twice on the LFT. I have symptoms of panic and worryFoxy said:
Have they come down with it?OldKingCole said:
Wonder how Mr isam and his girl-friend are getting on.DougSeal said:English cases down again (very slightly!) week on week. 29,417 vs 29,762.
UK up but only marginally by 2,000 from last Thursday.
Nonetheless, worth a proper PCR swab.
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OldKingCole said:
Reminds me of Vaughn’s Annus Mirabilis in 2002. Mind you Root is a far better player.isam said:We should appreciate this Joe Root form. Must be for India what is was like for us when Steve Smith was impossible to dismiss a few years ago
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There was an excellent discussion on the last thread about protectionism between @isam and @Stuartinromford, and I thought it worth noting that there are a very similar arguments going on with high tech US staff in Silicon Valley.
Basically, Facebook, Apple, Google, etc., want to continue to build up their development hubs in the Silicon Valley area, but their enormous hiring sprees have sent rents in SF and the Bay Area through the roof. A public school teacher simply can't afford to live within 50 miles of Cupertino.
There is therefore enormous resistance from a lot of long-term residents to their actions, because their growth has negative externalities.
But Apple, etc., have shot back with Without our tax revenues, you would have serious problems keeping the lights on. And if we start moving development to Austin, or Bangalore, then that whole expertise will start moving outside California or even the US as a whole.
And that's the difficult choice people have.
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We can't make that judgement yet. It depends on how things pan out. There's 2 elements to it - the decision to pull out and the way it was done. For it to end up a contender for the worst ever foreign policy disaster for the US, probably both of those have to become clear as being dead wrong. The right decision but rushed and bungled is unlikely to make the grade.Leon said:
I wouldn't quite go that far. Trump is worse, it is arguable he is so selfish, vain and deranged he is actively evil.Sean_F said:
Biden and Trump are equally filth.Leon said:
How? How would it have been worse?rottenborough said:
Probably be calling the marines a bunch of losers.CatMan said:
If Trump was still President, he'd be denying anything bad had actually happened, and his supporters would have believed him.WhisperingOracle said:
It is ofcourse Trump's surrender originally, but he may benefit. Terrible scenes today.Chameleon said:US military deaths may change the equation a bit. It becomes even harder to sweep the Kabul surrender under the rug for Biden.
Whatever and however bad this gets it would have been worse under that clown.
This is a comforting lie for uneasy Bidenites
Biden and Trump BOTH fucked this up to fuckistan, and back again
Biden isn't evil. He means "well". He has modestly good intentions. But he is far too old, doddery, incompetent, arrogant, querulous, and dogmatic. Reports say he was advised by many NOT to evacuate Afghanistan this way, he just shrugged them off, he thought his way was right. And here we are
The worst foreign policy disaster for the USA - ever? Possibly worse than Vietnam
Or do you mean the whole US Afghan 'invade and occupy' project from the start? Is this what is looking like their worst ever foreign policy disaster? In which case that's at the door of every president from Bush onwards and mainly Bush himself.
As for Biden, he's been arguing for 'out' for ages, been quite big on this, so I'm not sure it's about age and mental capacity.0 -
I didn't mean my comment that way. What I'm referring to is the bloodlust for Biden amongst certain Trumpside units. This event is triggering a flood of it and they are not allowing logic or previous positions to stand in the way.Leon said:
Case in point, Joe Biden:kinabalu said:
Yes, the contortions of logic and memory in places are quite something.SussexJames said:
Yes, the National Review, such a consistent viewpoint on US troops in Afghanistan.IshmaelZ said:
That is required reading.Leon said:
This is absolutely brutal but necessary reading on the terrible catastrophe of Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands stranded. An American clusterfuck of monumental proportions. And this was written BEFORE the explosionsDecrepiterJohnL said:
In the eyes of the American public, these deaths will either confirm Biden was right to GTFO asap rather than risk more American lives for no discernible gain, or condemn him for unnecessary deaths. Could go either way. Or both. Dunno really.Leon said:What does this do to Biden?
At least 30 reported dead now, and…
‘Very preliminary report—But reliable sources familiar with the situation on the ground in Afghanistan are telling my team that four US Marines were killed in bombing outside of the Kabul Airport. Again, this is preliminary, but horrific if confirmed. Pray.’
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1430911739952984078?s=21
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/biden-abandons-our-allies-what-its-really-like-on-the-ground-in-kabul/
Shameful. And horrible
Here's the NR in November last year saying troops should be out - by Christmas.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-not-to-mention-somalia/
"The Taliban will not take over Afghanistan" - oops
"There will be no helicopters on the roof of the US Embassy" - errrr
"There is no one being killed at the airport" - ouch
"Come on man, those guys fell off the plane four days ago. Five!" - Ohhhkayyyyyyy
I'm not saying you are one of them so don't go all fruity on me.0 -
It would be a harder choice if Apple actually paid all the local taxes they owe:rcs1000 said:There was an excellent discussion on the last thread about protectionism between @isam and @Stuartinromford, and I thought it worth noting that there are a very similar arguments going on with high tech US staff in Silicon Valley.
Basically, Facebook, Apple, Google, etc., want to continue to build up their development hubs in the Silicon Valley area, but their enormous hiring sprees have sent rents in SF and the Bay Area through the roof. A public school teacher simply can't afford to live within 50 miles of Cupertino.
There is therefore enormous resistance from a lot of long-term residents to their actions, because their growth has negative externalities.
But Apple, etc., have shot back with Without our tax revenues, you would have serious problems keeping the lights on. And if we start moving development to Austin, or Bangalore, then that whole expertise will start moving outside California or even the US as a whole.
And that's the difficult choice people have.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/apple-s-hometown-mayor-firm-abuses-us-by-not-paying-taxes-1.2636749
In fact, the town also pays Apple:
https://www.cultofmac.com/631274/cupertino-has-paid-out-70m-to-stay-apples-hometown/0 -
Sainsbury delivery: everything as ordered except a packet of veggie burgers.
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