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DavidL said:

eek said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

Can any of our Nat friends talk us through this exposition of the currency issue in indy Scotland?

This guy, a professional, er, mapmaker - but also "Convener of the Scottish Currency Group", has handily sketched out how the new Scottish pound will be established, and how the move from sterling will work. It includes gems like this:


https://twitter.com/RideoutTim/status/1418627474175533059?s=20

"Your bank will contact you near the time and ask if you would like to re-mortgage into the S£, or take out new S£ credit cards and loans. The banks, Scottish Government and the Scottish Reserve Bank will run an information campaign."

So that's a doddle then. As someone on Twitter points out, there are 900,000 Scottish mortgage holders who need to be "contacted" and given advice on "remortgaging into the S£."

That's quite a long chat. Say two hours per mortgage?

900,000 x 2 hours is 1.8m hours which is 200 years, add in working hours and holidays it's more like 800-1000 years. If the banks get it together and have 100 dedicated teams working flat out on just this, day in day out, they could easily get in done in eight decades

They might, in fairness, shorten the process by speaking to the lenders of those 900k mortgages and ask them if they want to be paid back in S£ or Sterling. That might make the 900k discussions somewhat irrelevant.

Edit and oh, by the way, we don't have a Scottish reserve bank. Or any reserves to put in it.

Why would a bank offer the chance to redominate a loan into a different currency?

Remember most mortgages nowadays have been sold as a securtised asset to a pension fund or other investment fund

Exactly, there is absolutely no chance they would agree to the switch so it wouldn't matter what the borrowers thought. If they tried to make the transfer a matter of statute then the Banks would sue the Scottish government because the value of their assets would have been reduced by something like 20% in breach of Article 1 protocol 1 of the ECHR. It is utter madness by people who are so economically illiterate that they make Nicola look credible.

The problem with the referendum is that you then get people like Malcolmg who will argue that even though it's practically impossible it doesn't matter as Nicola and the Scottish Parliament will ensure its mortgages are fixed.

In the same way he believes that the UK government will continue to pay his pension.

I almost want them to vote Yes to see the eventual fall out but I don't think I can live in a diet of popcorn while laughing

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Incidentally, talking of supermarkets, just been to M&S in Camden and there was no sign of any shortage of anything, except ready flaked parmesan. That's it.


Where are these empty shelves?!

The loss of the big Camden Morrisons is keenly felt. Used to be able to park up for 2 hours totally free, just get a packet of fags and a tinny, and go hang out by the lock for ... well for just under 2 hours. Pretty unique loophole now closed.

it hasn't gone forever. There's a new temporary version next door as they remake the old one. I liked it for the petrol station. There are very few around here, so it was handy

Yes but the big free carpark isn't coming back. Flats.

Car parks are an abomination. A blight on any city. Huge ugly blocks of land dedicated to storing transport. They could be housing, or garden squares, or parks, or happy playgrounds. I yearn for the day we can get rid of all of them

Multi story carparks are indeed a blight on so many levels.

eek said:

DavidL said:

eek said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

Can any of our Nat friends talk us through this exposition of the currency issue in indy Scotland?

This guy, a professional, er, mapmaker - but also "Convener of the Scottish Currency Group", has handily sketched out how the new Scottish pound will be established, and how the move from sterling will work. It includes gems like this:


https://twitter.com/RideoutTim/status/1418627474175533059?s=20

"Your bank will contact you near the time and ask if you would like to re-mortgage into the S£, or take out new S£ credit cards and loans. The banks, Scottish Government and the Scottish Reserve Bank will run an information campaign."

So that's a doddle then. As someone on Twitter points out, there are 900,000 Scottish mortgage holders who need to be "contacted" and given advice on "remortgaging into the S£."

That's quite a long chat. Say two hours per mortgage?

900,000 x 2 hours is 1.8m hours which is 200 years, add in working hours and holidays it's more like 800-1000 years. If the banks get it together and have 100 dedicated teams working flat out on just this, day in day out, they could easily get in done in eight decades

They might, in fairness, shorten the process by speaking to the lenders of those 900k mortgages and ask them if they want to be paid back in S£ or Sterling. That might make the 900k discussions somewhat irrelevant.

Edit and oh, by the way, we don't have a Scottish reserve bank. Or any reserves to put in it.

Why would a bank offer the chance to redominate a loan into a different currency?

Remember most mortgages nowadays have been sold as a securtised asset to a pension fund or other investment fund

Exactly, there is absolutely no chance they would agree to the switch so it wouldn't matter what the borrowers thought. If they tried to make the transfer a matter of statute then the Banks would sue the Scottish government because the value of their assets would have been reduced by something like 20% in breach of Article 1 protocol 1 of the ECHR. It is utter madness by people who are so economically illiterate that they make Nicola look credible.

The problem with the referendum is that you then get people like Malcolmg who will argue that even though it's practically impossible it doesn't matter as Nicola and the Scottish Parliament will ensure its mortgages are fixed.

In the same way he believes that the UK government will continue to pay his pension.

I almost want them to vote Yes to see the eventual fall out but I don't think I can live in a diet of popcorn while laughing

For those who live north of the border its really not a laughing matter I'm afraid. These people are completely delusional about the consequences of their actions and reckless as a result.

Carnyx said:

StuartDickson said:

williamglenn said:

StuartDickson said:

MaxPB said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've been on holiday for the last week but someone did message me the other day and said Boris Johnson's decision to ignore the ping then deny it was a bit like Gordon Brown denying he had planned to call a snap election in 2007.

Don't take the piss with the voters is the message.

Brown chickened out of the snap election in 2007 after seeing the polling from Scotland

Wrong, it was the polling from middle England, they loved Dave and George's IHT plans.

Must annoy you that Scotland was the only place in the UK that saw Labour's vote share go up in 2010.

Oh, I forgot my place. Tugs forelock. Of course England is much, much, much more important than Scotchland. I’ll never make that mistake again Sir.

You have a very bizarre concept of what “annoys” people. Psychological projection.

It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014.

Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So you don't consider people who have moved to Scotland your fellow countrymen?

If they embrace their new country: yes.

If they don’t: no.

That’s how most nations on the planet work.

Our PBTories do find it hard to grasp the fact that the biggest ethnic minority group in the SNP is the English.

And do Nats struggle to grasp the fact that nearly twice as many Scots live in England as English live in Scotland?

And 50% more Scots live in Wales than Welsh live in Scotland....In fact the only part of the UK which has fewer Scots than expats is NI...

Carnyx said:

DavidL said:

StuartDickson said:

williamglenn said:

StuartDickson said:

MaxPB said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've been on holiday for the last week but someone did message me the other day and said Boris Johnson's decision to ignore the ping then deny it was a bit like Gordon Brown denying he had planned to call a snap election in 2007.

Don't take the piss with the voters is the message.

Brown chickened out of the snap election in 2007 after seeing the polling from Scotland

Wrong, it was the polling from middle England, they loved Dave and George's IHT plans.

Must annoy you that Scotland was the only place in the UK that saw Labour's vote share go up in 2010.

Oh, I forgot my place. Tugs forelock. Of course England is much, much, much more important than Scotchland. I’ll never make that mistake again Sir.

You have a very bizarre concept of what “annoys” people. Psychological projection.

It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014.

Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So you don't consider people who have moved to Scotland your fellow countrymen?

If they embrace their new country: yes.

If they don’t: no.

That’s how most nations on the planet work.

Indeed. So why are the SNP so keen to have over100k EU citizens in Scotland who haven't applied for UK citizenship to vote in our referendum? Or is the answer just the blindingly obvious one?

Because they were allowed to vote in the last, as they werre rightly regarded as people contributing to Scotland.

It'sset in the the standard UK legislation for referenda.

That's absurd. In the last referendum we were members of the EU and had treaty obligations determining when and for what they were entitled to vote. We no longer do and they aren't.

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Incidentally, talking of supermarkets, just been to M&S in Camden and there was no sign of any shortage of anything, except ready flaked parmesan. That's it.


Where are these empty shelves?!

The loss of the big Camden Morrisons is keenly felt. Used to be able to park up for 2 hours totally free, just get a packet of fags and a tinny, and go hang out by the lock for ... well for just under 2 hours. Pretty unique loophole now closed.

it hasn't gone forever. There's a new temporary version next door as they remake the old one. I liked it for the petrol station. There are very few around here, so it was handy

Yes but the big free carpark isn't coming back. Flats.

Car parks are an abomination. A blight on any city. Huge ugly blocks of land dedicated to storing transport. They could be housing, or garden squares, or parks, or happy playgrounds. I yearn for the day we can get rid of all of them

Yes fair enough and I agree in the abstract. But I used it a lot and got that thrilling 'beating the system' feeling. 2 hours free parking in Central London. In North London's equivalent of Soho. No checks. Not applicable for you since you could just easily walk there.

StuartDickson said:

williamglenn said:

StuartDickson said:

MaxPB said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've been on holiday for the last week but someone did message me the other day and said Boris Johnson's decision to ignore the ping then deny it was a bit like Gordon Brown denying he had planned to call a snap election in 2007.

Don't take the piss with the voters is the message.

Brown chickened out of the snap election in 2007 after seeing the polling from Scotland

Wrong, it was the polling from middle England, they loved Dave and George's IHT plans.

Must annoy you that Scotland was the only place in the UK that saw Labour's vote share go up in 2010.

Oh, I forgot my place. Tugs forelock. Of course England is much, much, much more important than Scotchland. I’ll never make that mistake again Sir.

You have a very bizarre concept of what “annoys” people. Psychological projection.

It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014.

Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So you don't consider people who have moved to Scotland your fellow countrymen?

If they embrace their new country: yes.

If they don’t: no.

That’s how most nations on the planet work.

Tebbit's cricket test for Scotland. I count as a foreigner in Scotland if I vote for the Union. Lovely.

LostPassword said:

Leon said:

Some more gems


"If I re-mortgage how does this work?
You are best to ask your bank to do this during the Exchange Period, the first two months or so. That will avoid you having any currency fees to pay or any risk from exchange rate changes."

"After you instruct your bank to arrange an S£ mortgage you will complete the standard process of selecting a mortgage (fixed term, tracker, etc), an updated valuation if required and the legal paperwork. On the date agreed with your bank they will release the S£ funds."


900,000 mortgages calmly switching over "in the first two months". "Or so".

Luckily this process will avoid "any risk from exchange rate changes"

It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be true, or even barely credible, it just has to have enough truthiness to enable enough people to deny reality until polling day. Then, if the Independence vote is won, that will be that. See, for example, Brexit, and the claims made in that campaign.

And even if you do win the argument on the detail, you've then lost it on positivity and identity, as you're the negative English person telling Scots they are too poor and too stupid to run their own country.

Just as with Brexit, winning a referendum on lies and nationalism will be the easy bit. Dealing with the almighty mess created will be much harder.

But this guy's argument is so risible I'm not sure it contains any "truthiness" let alone truth. Even the follow-up remarks from fellow Nats are awkward and hesitant. They know it is bollocks, and sounds like bollocks

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/AGKD123/status/1418939299140153345

Labour lead?

Presumably with McCluskey holding the other end

StuartDickson said:

Leon said:

StuartDickson said:

williamglenn said:

StuartDickson said:

MaxPB said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've been on holiday for the last week but someone did message me the other day and said Boris Johnson's decision to ignore the ping then deny it was a bit like Gordon Brown denying he had planned to call a snap election in 2007.

Don't take the piss with the voters is the message.

Brown chickened out of the snap election in 2007 after seeing the polling from Scotland

Wrong, it was the polling from middle England, they loved Dave and George's IHT plans.

Must annoy you that Scotland was the only place in the UK that saw Labour's vote share go up in 2010.

Oh, I forgot my place. Tugs forelock. Of course England is much, much, much more important than Scotchland. I’ll never make that mistake again Sir.

You have a very bizarre concept of what “annoys” people. Psychological projection.

It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014.

Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So you don't consider people who have moved to Scotland your fellow countrymen?

If they embrace their new country: yes.

If they don’t: no.

That’s how most nations on the planet work.

It's really not "how most nations work"

Take Britain. My country

Unless you actively want to wreak violence on my country, out of some hatred, then if you live here permanently, you are British, and you are entitled to any lawful political opinion you care to hold. Even Scottish Nationalism.

You can call me anything you like Sean. That is your prerogative.

I am not British. That is my prerogative.

That's like saying you're not European. You are British regardless of the constitutional status of Scotland.

Sandpit said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Incidentally, talking of supermarkets, just been to M&S in Camden and there was no sign of any shortage of anything, except ready flaked parmesan. That's it.


Where are these empty shelves?!

The loss of the big Camden Morrisons is keenly felt. Used to be able to park up for 2 hours totally free, just get a packet of fags and a tinny, and go hang out by the lock for ... well for just under 2 hours. Pretty unique loophole now closed.

it hasn't gone forever. There's a new temporary version next door as they remake the old one. I liked it for the petrol station. There are very few around here, so it was handy

Yes but the big free carpark isn't coming back. Flats.

Car parks are an abomination. A blight on any city. Huge ugly blocks of land dedicated to storing transport. They could be housing, or garden squares, or parks, or happy playgrounds. I yearn for the day we can get rid of all of them

Multi story carparks are indeed a blight on so many levels.

That’s an old Tim Vine joke.
“Car theft from the multi-storey, that’s a crime on so many levels”.

Indeed. I am claiming my recycling badge for the day.

NEW: Sam White, who worked for Alistair Darling under Blair and Brown, to take over as Keir Starmer's chief of staff.

Completes New Lab reunion in his office: Matthew Doyle, Blair's frmr political director, director of comms. Deborah Mattinson, Brown's pollster, head of strategy

https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1418938242850820112?s=20

Leon said:

MattW said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Incidentally, talking of supermarkets, just been to M&S in Camden and there was no sign of any shortage of anything, except ready flaked parmesan. That's it.


Where are these empty shelves?!

The loss of the big Camden Morrisons is keenly felt. Used to be able to park up for 2 hours totally free, just get a packet of fags and a tinny, and go hang out by the lock for ... well for just under 2 hours. Pretty unique loophole now closed.

How are the Grand Union Walk Grimshaw houses down the back of the Sainsbury's looking these days?

Actually OK. They are well maintained. And at night they are beautifully lit up in multiple colours, which reflect off the canal

Still not sure I'd like to live in one - tiny windows?! - but they are certainly not slums

I viewed one once. Now around £10000 per sqm.

The industrial shutters and balconies were a genius idea. They need something for getting canoes onto the canal, though, and gardens.

33 years old, now.

LostPassword said:

StuartDickson said:

williamglenn said:

StuartDickson said:

MaxPB said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

StuartDickson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've been on holiday for the last week but someone did message me the other day and said Boris Johnson's decision to ignore the ping then deny it was a bit like Gordon Brown denying he had planned to call a snap election in 2007.

Don't take the piss with the voters is the message.

Brown chickened out of the snap election in 2007 after seeing the polling from Scotland

Wrong, it was the polling from middle England, they loved Dave and George's IHT plans.

Must annoy you that Scotland was the only place in the UK that saw Labour's vote share go up in 2010.

Oh, I forgot my place. Tugs forelock. Of course England is much, much, much more important than Scotchland. I’ll never make that mistake again Sir.

You have a very bizarre concept of what “annoys” people. Psychological projection.

It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014.

Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So you don't consider people who have moved to Scotland your fellow countrymen?

If they embrace their new country: yes.

If they don’t: no.

That’s how most nations on the planet work.

Tebbit's cricket test for Scotland. I count as a foreigner in Scotland if I vote for the Union. Lovely.

Regardless of whether you are or you aren't one, why is being a foreigner such a negative thing?

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/AGKD123/status/1418939299140153345

Labour lead?

...or Conservatives exceed 50%

... or Labour/LD crossover

... or more likely Labour nudge up a notch or two and the Tories ratchet down a notch or two.

StuartDickson said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

A civilised and knowledgeable PBer. What a lovely breath of fresh air. Only problem is, now I’m hungry.

Be fun if Blanche is another instantiation of SeanT

CorrectHorseBattery said:

How much better we would have been if Brown had called that election. Underrated PM

He would have lost and we'd have had the same Tory/LD coalition just in 2007 rather than 2010. The British people would not have voted for Brown, the guy was a complete numpty.

Ouch! When even the rent-a-quotes are turning you down:


Richard Murphy @RichardJMurphy

I was just invited to do @gbnews and took the greatest pleasure in saying no

https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1418942433413537797?s=20

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

StuartDickson said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

A civilised and knowledgeable PBer. What a lovely breath of fresh air. Only problem is, now I’m hungry.

Thank you Stuart. I think I am probably quite civilised and knowledgeable when it comes to feeding myself; I might even boldly venture to include enlightened and multicultural. When it comes to my politics, I guess we'll all find out soon enough..

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

You lied about what he said.

Weedy trolling effort - nul points

BlancheLivermore said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

That sounds great. I don't like spaghetti so I'd have it with chips. What's your view on that?

It could work, but you'd need to boil raw chipped potatoes to get the starchy water which you need for the sauce, before deep frying them - no oven chips.

Let me know what it's like if you give it a go!

Ah. Thanks but I fear that blows me out.

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Redfield & Wilton Strategies @RedfieldWilton

If a referendum for independence were to be held in Scotland, who do Britons think would win?

The 'pro-UK' side: 32%
The 'pro-Independence' side: 24%
Don't know: 44%

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1418911675844079618?s=20

From the linked report:

Amongst those who identify as Scottish, a plurality of 45% support Scottish independence… followed by 38% who oppose it.

That's not great for independence. Looks like we're stuck with you lot. Sad.

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

That sounds great. I don't like spaghetti so I'd have it with chips. What's your view on that?

It could work, but you'd need to boil raw chipped potatoes to get the starchy water which you need for the sauce, before deep frying them - no oven chips.

Let me know what it's like if you give it a go!

Ah. Thanks but I fear that blows me out.

You could make it with pasta for those that like it and split a bit of the cheese/egg/pasta water/guanciale and fat into a different pan to make the sauce for your chips?

DavidL said:

Sandpit said:

StuartDickson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Redfield & Wilton Strategies @RedfieldWilton

If a referendum for independence were to be held in Scotland, who do Britons think would win?

The 'pro-UK' side: 32%
The 'pro-Independence' side: 24%
Don't know: 44%

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1418911675844079618?s=20

From the linked report:

Amongst those who identify as Scottish, a plurality of 45% support Scottish independence… followed by 38% who oppose it.

Because the Scots who identify primarily as British, are opposed to independence? Who’d have thought that!

What we really need is some polling of those with ginger hair and freckles.

lol

BoZo is a liberal...

🚨🚨🚨| BREAKING: Boris Johnson is to launch a new programme where the government tracks what people eat and how much exercise they do. And if people do well they get discounts and free stuff

Via @Telegraph
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418944731434913803

BlancheLivermore said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

That sounds great. I don't like spaghetti so I'd have it with chips. What's your view on that?

It could work, but you'd need to boil raw chipped potatoes to get the starchy water which you need for the sauce, before deep frying them - no oven chips.

Let me know what it's like if you give it a go!

Ah. Thanks but I fear that blows me out.

You could make it with pasta for those that like it and split a bit of the cheese/egg/pasta water/guanciale and fat into a different pan to make the sauce for your chips?

Or make it as a sauce to go with some parboiled roasted chips. The cooler water from the longer ago cooked chips would probably help by cooling the ban a bit before you add the eggs as you definitely don't want them cooked, just warm enough to melt the cheese. You only need a tiny bit of the starchy water, but it seems important in getting the right emulsification with the fat and eggs.

Scott_xP said:

BoZo is a liberal...

🚨🚨🚨| BREAKING: Boris Johnson is to launch a new programme where the government tracks what people eat and how much exercise they do. And if people do well they get discounts and free stuff

Via @Telegraph
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1418944731434913803

Sounds like the Simpsons episode where Homer discovers if he gains a few more pounds he will qualify as disabled.

What could possibly go wrong?

eek said:

DavidL said:

eek said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

Can any of our Nat friends talk us through this exposition of the currency issue in indy Scotland?

This guy, a professional, er, mapmaker - but also "Convener of the Scottish Currency Group", has handily sketched out how the new Scottish pound will be established, and how the move from sterling will work. It includes gems like this:


https://twitter.com/RideoutTim/status/1418627474175533059?s=20

"Your bank will contact you near the time and ask if you would like to re-mortgage into the S£, or take out new S£ credit cards and loans. The banks, Scottish Government and the Scottish Reserve Bank will run an information campaign."

So that's a doddle then. As someone on Twitter points out, there are 900,000 Scottish mortgage holders who need to be "contacted" and given advice on "remortgaging into the S£."

That's quite a long chat. Say two hours per mortgage?

900,000 x 2 hours is 1.8m hours which is 200 years, add in working hours and holidays it's more like 800-1000 years. If the banks get it together and have 100 dedicated teams working flat out on just this, day in day out, they could easily get in done in eight decades

They might, in fairness, shorten the process by speaking to the lenders of those 900k mortgages and ask them if they want to be paid back in S£ or Sterling. That might make the 900k discussions somewhat irrelevant.

Edit and oh, by the way, we don't have a Scottish reserve bank. Or any reserves to put in it.

Why would a bank offer the chance to redominate a loan into a different currency?

Remember most mortgages nowadays have been sold as a securtised asset to a pension fund or other investment fund

Exactly, there is absolutely no chance they would agree to the switch so it wouldn't matter what the borrowers thought. If they tried to make the transfer a matter of statute then the Banks would sue the Scottish government because the value of their assets would have been reduced by something like 20% in breach of Article 1 protocol 1 of the ECHR. It is utter madness by people who are so economically illiterate that they make Nicola look credible.

The problem with the referendum is that you then get people like Malcolmg who will argue that even though it's practically impossible it doesn't matter as Nicola and the Scottish Parliament will ensure its mortgages are fixed.

In the same way he believes that the UK government will continue to pay his pension.

I almost want them to vote Yes to see the eventual fall out but I don't think I can live in a diet of popcorn while laughing

Bit like Brexit then.

Yes, I'm a Rejoiner, and the sooner the better.

BlancheLivermore said:

MattW said:

StuartDickson said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

A civilised and knowledgeable PBer. What a lovely breath of fresh air. Only problem is, now I’m hungry.

Be fun if Blanche is another instantiation of SeanT

Be a lot of fun for me if I had access to his bank account(s)

Although you would have to pay his alimonies as well...

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

You lied about what he said.

Weedy trolling effort - nul points

Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).

So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. Edit: Someone would complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.

ydoethur said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

There's no depths to which these angry Scots won't plumb to support their nationalist and separatist agenda. If that means "Scottish votes for truly Scottish people" then that's what they'll do. In @StuartDickson's world my parents aren't really British and their votes should count for less if at all because they weren't born in the UK.

The true face of Scottish nationalism. A racist movement supported by angry white Scottish men who's whole existence is small dick energy personified.

The irony that occurred to me is by that definition Stuart isn’t Swedish...

Some Scandinavian countries are quite protective of their culture. A friend is on the track to become a Danish citizen - which requires learning Danish to a very high degree among other things.

Carnyx said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

You lied about what he said.

Weedy trolling effort - nul points

Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).

So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.

He said this:


"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"

Stuart: Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

kinabalu said:

StuartDickson said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

That sounds great. I don't like spaghetti so I'd have it with chips. What's your view on that?

Spaghetti is the king of pastas. I always knew you were a heathen.

It's not the taste I don't like, it's the faff. Have never mastered the twirl on fork technique. Chips so much easier. Just stab them and dip.

Oh, I like using pasta like cavatappi and fusilli for the same reason. That may make me a heathen in some Italian pasta circles, but I don't care. I love the way those pastas get coated by a good carbonara sauce.

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

BlancheLivermore said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

kinabalu said:

BlancheLivermore said:

In defence of Waitrose, it's the only supermarket where I can find the crucial ingredient for making proper carbonara: guanciale. It's a very fatty cheek bacon and its high fat content makes a far better sauce than any other bacon or pancetta.

The only other ingredients are pasta, egg yolks, pecorino cheese (not parmesan), black pepper and a pinch of salt in the pasta water.

Definitely no cream.

Ingredients for this recipe for 4 costs about six quid at Waitrose
https://www.eatalianwithroberto.com/real-carbonara-recipe/

That sounds great. I don't like spaghetti so I'd have it with chips. What's your view on that?

It could work, but you'd need to boil raw chipped potatoes to get the starchy water which you need for the sauce, before deep frying them - no oven chips.

Let me know what it's like if you give it a go!

Ah. Thanks but I fear that blows me out.

You could make it with pasta for those that like it and split a bit of the cheese/egg/pasta water/guanciale and fat into a different pan to make the sauce for your chips?

Or make it as a sauce to go with some parboiled roasted chips. The cooler water from the longer ago cooked chips would probably help by cooling the ban a bit before you add the eggs as you definitely don't want them cooked, just warm enough to melt the cheese. You only need a tiny bit of the starchy water, but it seems important in getting the right emulsification with the fat and eggs.

The deal breaker is saying I can't use oven chips. No way will I be deep frying them in a pan full of volcanic spitting oil. That's not an option.

Could cook the spuds, resewrving the water for the sauce and then slicing and frying the spuds in shallow oil?

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Carnyx said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

You lied about what he said.

Weedy trolling effort - nul points

Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).

So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.

He said this:


"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"

Stuart: Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So? "your fellow countrymen" must mean the Scots born as that is the PBTory default option.

Hang on! @StuartDickson Dickson is a PB Tory then???

Or, more likely, does he really think you have to be born in Scotland to have a vote in any IndyRef past or future?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Carnyx said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

You lied about what he said.

Weedy trolling effort - nul points

Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).

So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.

He said this:


"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"

Stuart: Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So? "your fellow countrymen" must mean the Scots born as that is the PBTory default option.

Hang on! @StuartDickson Dickson is a PB Tory then???

Or, more likely, does he really think you have to be born in Scotland to have a vote in any IndyRef past or future?

(a) no - just using words in a way which will be understood.

(b) He is a SNP member of long standing. That is the complete opposite of party policy.

Carnyx said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Carnyx said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Interesting.


When, say, a Tory like HYUFD comes out with some offensive position - like sending tanks over Hadrian's Wall - his fellow Tories are quite happy to denounce him, and distance themselves

When a Nat like Stuart Dickson comes up with 100% full-fat Powellite Blut Und Boden Scottish ethno-nationalism, his fellow Nats just murmur politely, or say nothing, or quietly tip-toe away, they do not call him out. Loyalty, or cowardice? Perhaps both

Bit bored after your fruitless search for flaked Parmesan are you?

For once in your PB life you could show a bit of backbone and say a fellow Nat is talking offensive nonsense

I've never known you do it, despite ample opportunities. Here is another chance

You lied about what he said.

Weedy trolling effort - nul points

Perhaps more to the point, "your fellow countrymen" is hopelessly ambiguous. It cane from a PBTory in the middle of a debate about whether the correct designation for the so-called British is, well, British (but as any fule kno that is hopelessly ambiguous in NI and the adjacent parts of Scotland and the correct answer is subject of HMTQ of the UK etc). And the only definition of a Scot in PBToryland is a blood definition (as seen by the constant chorus of demand to allow e.g. Mr Cameron a vote in indyref2).

So Mr Dickson was merely being polite in answering the question in the terms and mindset of the original questioner, and it hardly seems fair to monster him for that. You'd complain - and PBTories most certainly do - if one uses a different definition of Scot.

He said this:


"Max: It must eat away at you that your fellow countrymen bottled it in 2014"

Stuart: Except they didn’t.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-of-scottish-born-voters-said-yes-z7v2mmhc8nt

So? "your fellow countrymen" must mean the Scots born as that is the PBTory default option.

It really fucking isn't. Stop being disingenuous.

Max meant "All the people resident in Scotland, all those entitled to vote in the indyref"

Dickson came back with "No you're wrong, those aren't my countrymen, my TRUE countrymen are Scots born in Scotland"

A telling glimpse behind the mask