I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
Fine if you oppose the position a plurality of Tory voters oppose then vote Labour then, it is a free country
Just as those Blairite voters who thought voting for a stupid old racist with antediluvian views should fuck off and vote for the Tories?
I would point out this strategy ended badly for the likes of Pidcock...
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
He's found a cause he believes in and has good advisers, what does it matter? The rather unsubtle denigration of his campaigning by suggesting he has very little to do with it - as if being the face of it is irrelevant - is one of the stranger things I've come across on here, I cannot figure out why I am supposed to think differently about him or the campaign as a result of such 'revelations'.
Looks like we in Ilford over to the east escaped most of the rain, I just got back from a walk around 5.15, then around 5.20 it poured a LOT, but only for about 15 minutes.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
But he does. Literally and formally.
I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Charles Kennedy was 23 when first elected to Parliament. Pitt the Younger was Prime Minister at 24. Other young MPs are available.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
There was no Roger the Cabin Boy either
There was however a Master’s Mate, who had a terrible lisp so kept introducing himself as ‘Masterbate.’
Careful - there was a famous defamation case as a result of jokes like this IIRC.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
Except I do, I am in fact in the mainstream of the Tory Party now and indeed represent the views of a plurality of 2019 Tory voters on free school meals in the holidays as Yougov showed.
Blue Corbynism in your words is therefore not extreme, it is Tory mainstream now and you by voting for the Brexit Party when I was voting for May's Tories still have if anything accelerated the process
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Indeed, why not. But if they are going to, they can't regard themselves as exempt from incredibly gentle and innocuous ridicule when they make arses of themselves in sport. That's politics
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%
Just do the right thing and apologise for saying Marcus penalty miss was because he was involved in politics and end the issue
When was the last time Hyufd admitted a mistake?
Serious question.
HYUFD = HAL in "2001".
"Let me put it this way, Mr. ydoethur. The HYUFD series is the most reliable computer ever made. No HYUFD computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error."
I have long assumed that HYUFD is some kind of Tory Metal Mickey, built during the “white heat” of the late Major era by forces close to John Redwood, and now left to corrode in a broom cupboard near Chigwell.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
There was no Roger the Cabin Boy either
There was however a Master’s Mate, who had a terrible lisp so kept introducing himself as ‘Masterbate.’
Careful - there was a famous defamation case as a result of jokes like this IIRC.
That lisp was how the myth arose.
The libel case was over the suggestion, presented as fact, that there were more and deliberate double entendres.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.
Prediction: it will fail. Brand extension just don’t work like that.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
Whoops, yes, of course, thank you. I should have put "only those who vote Tory and agree with HYUFD" ... But the point remains. I thought MPs and councillors represented all their constituents? Do the ones with potholes only get then filled in if they vote Tory and support X and Y?
Unless you are elected as an Independent, when you really do have a personal vote, if you stand under a party label you get elected to fulfil the views of that party's voters on how their local council or government should be run.
That does not mean you do not work for all your voters, including the ones who did not vote for you but it is only the ones who did vote for you who got you the role in the first place
As far as the Constitutional conventions are concerned, MPs are elected as representatives of their constituencies, not as delegates of their party and they are expected to serve the national interest. Since the reality is indeed now that they act as party delegates and not local representatives serving the national interest then a major overhaul of the electoral system is quite obviously required.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.
But it’s a stupid strategy in many ways. I mean, what’s the point of marketing cricket to people who, y’know, don’t like cricket?
It’s like Corbyn’s claim he would win with the votes of those who don’t vote.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
Except I do, I am in fact in the mainstream of the Tory Party now and indeed represent the views of a plurality of 2019 Tory voters on free school meals in the holidays as Yougov showed.
Blue Corbynism in your words is therefore not extreme, it is Tory mainstream now and you by voting for the Brexit Party when I was voting for May's Tories still have if anything accelerated the process
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
Except I do, I am in fact in the mainstream of the Tory Party now and indeed represent the views of a plurality of 2019 Tory voters on free school meals in the holidays as Yougov showed.
Blue Corbynism in your words is therefore not extreme, it is Tory mainstream now and you by voting for the Brexit Party when I was voting for May's Tories still have if anything accelerated the process
Dreary me
He may be right. The modern Tory Party seems as spiteful and hateful as it allowed itself to get in the mid 90s (and which took 15 years of clean up to be electable again).
Worse, in fact, because back then they had “Gentleman John” Major and now we have this half-Berlusconi half circus clown abomination in charge.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.
But it’s a stupid strategy in many ways. I mean, what’s the point of marketing cricket to people who, y’know, don’t like cricket?
It’s like Corbyn’s claim he would win with the votes of those who don’t vote.
It worked for Dominic Cummings. But the hundred looks too contrived. Are there really hordes of people who would love cricket but can't get past there being six balls in an over?
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
And how do people become politicians in the first place? Straight from A level modern studies? We can't all be W. Hague or M. Black or that chap who founded the Northumberland Independence Party while he was still a student IIRC and now is a rising Tory star.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
I find the idea of The Hundred really unnecessary and silly, far too close to T20 but not the T20.
One other problem for me is even if I wanted to follow it, I would struggle to bring myself to support a Manchester club. Happy to like Lancashire playing at Old Trafford, but supporting Manchester is a bridge too far.
I guess if I did support anyone, I'd have to go for Trent Rockets.
i think its a bit of a zero sum game-either it does not take off and fizzles out or if it did take off it will surely replace T20. Bit weird to introduce it
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
But he does. Literally and formally.
I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.
Not really. As others have said 'branch chair' of a local party is not a significant role. Especially in an extraordinarily safe part of the country.
He's about as representative as a Labour Councillor from Liverpool Walton. No understanding of campaigning in a marginal or anything that actually matters in day to day politics. Hence why he only cares about what he interprets as a plurality of his own parties voters and not the rest of his own parties voters let alone voters for other parties.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
There was no Roger the Cabin Boy either
There was however a Master’s Mate, who had a terrible lisp so kept introducing himself as ‘Masterbate.’
Careful - there was a famous defamation case as a result of jokes like this IIRC.
That lisp was how the myth arose.
The libel case was over the suggestion, presented as fact, that there were more and deliberate double entendres.
HYUFD-9000: "I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you."
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
I am not sure that Rashfords approach to child poverty is the correct one, but am pleased to see him take an interest in raising the issue.
It is certainly a step up from the usual football players interest in hookers and drunk driving.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
But he does. Literally and formally.
I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.
Not really. As others have said 'branch chair' of a local party is not a significant role. Especially in an extraordinarily safe part of the country.
He's about as representative as a Labour Councillor from Liverpool Walton. No understanding of campaigning in a marginal or anything that actually matters in day to day politics. Hence why he only cares about what he interprets as a plurality of his own parties voters and not the rest of his own parties voters let alone voters for other parties.
I have campaigned in multiple marginals from Warwick and Leamington to Braintree to Chingford and Woodford Green but you do not win marginals by ignoring the views of your core support either, you need your base as well as swing voters
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
I am not sure that Rashfords approach to child poverty is the correct one, but am pleased to see him take an interest in raising the issue.
It is certainly a step up from the usual football players interest in hookers and drunk driving.
I also like his interest in children's books - something I particularly find very congenial.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
Eric Bristow was 23 when he won the world darts championship
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
Quite. Everyone else would hit the buffers.
Where else would we let off steam?
Although at the moment we just seem to be wandering off the point.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
Eric Bristow was 23 when he won the world darts championship
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
I really don't think you have to do that in order to express a view.
People can just say "X is an important priority and the money should be found either from lower spending elsewhere or general taxation".
It might help their argument it they did, and it would also legitimate for someone else to respond to that by saying "I don't think X is a particularly priority, and I just don't think it's worth spending £Y on it".
But I don't think it's fair to require someone to have the sort of knowledge of the national accounts that would enable them to come up with a fully costed proposal as some kind of entry-level requirement to join the debate.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
I just don’t get this stuff about people outside of a poltical career shouldn’t get involved in politics. We have a poor generation of politicians across all parties who are, largely, careerist politicians. We need people with a broad spectrum of experience getting into politics and if Rashford, because of his life experiences wants to campaign on school dinners all power to his elbow.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
I think it even simpler than that. They oppose Rashford on FSM because the government did. If Boris had listened to Dominic Cummings and adopted the idea immediately, rather than after a protracted struggle, there'd be no cheap jokes about Rashford's penalty miss.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
Eric Bristow was 23 when he won the world darts championship
Baldwin IV was only 24 when he died, and had been a leper for 15 years. Didn’t stop him from being the only King of Jerusalem who held his own against Salah ad Din.
If cricket wanted to go down the F1 route they could use the Hundred as the sprint qualifying format to decide who effectively wins the toss for the subsequent Test match. Or something.
There is a simple answer to the should celebrities get involved in politics debate, albeit it is one that makes you want to eat your own feet:
Emma Thompson.
Yes and no - being a "celebrity" doesn't disenfranchise you or mean you can't have an opinion or express it.
One could argue celebrity ought to confer a degree of responsibility for the views expressed but we know that isn't always the case.
There's no easy answer - everyone has a right to an opinion and to express that opinion. The capacity to get that opinion to a wider audience and to be able to influence decision-makers directly or indirectly is a form of power which most of us don't possess.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
Eric Bristow was 23 when he won the world darts championship
I used to love Sid Waddell. Very intelligent man too. Sadly missed.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
I really don't think you have to do that in order to express a view.
People can just say "X is an important priority and the money should be found either from lower spending elsewhere or general taxation".
It might help their argument it they did, and it would also legitimate for someone else to respond to that by saying "I don't think X is a particularly priority, and I just don't think it's worth spending £Y on it".
But I don't think it's fair to require someone to have the sort of knowledge of the national accounts that would enable them to come up with a fully costed proposal as some kind of entry-level requirement to join the debate.
What I object to on the FSM issue specifically is the "you're happy for children to go hungry?!!!" angle. It's a c***ish line of argument, which is why I generally think the left are twats.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
Yes, not much to be cheerful about. The scenes yesterday on the streets of London, the racist abuse that persists, and growing fourth wave of disease and even the grotty weather...
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
You're half right
Well, if it was just him and me I’d have no choice but to talk about trains all the time.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
Eric Bristow was 23 when he won the world darts championship
Baldwin IV was only 24 when he died, and had been a leper for 15 years. Didn’t stop him from being the only King of Jerusalem who held his own against Salah ad Din.
Magnus Carlsen was only 14 when he drew a chess game with the number one in the world Gary Kasporov.
He also beat Bill Gates in about 10 seconds on an Irish chat show when about 27
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Bull fucking shit.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
I certainly don't care about his skin colour.
No man has 'betters' either. We're all the same.
In this case though I think he's being used by others for his celebrity value, and it may well be that he agrees entirely with the programme, but I just think that he's not the driving force. I may of course be wrong, and I apologise if I am.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
Yes, probably.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
I certainly don't care about his skin colour.
No man has 'betters' either. We're all the same.
In this case though I think he's being used by others for his celebrity value, and it may well be that he agrees entirely with the programme, but I just think that he's not the driving force. I may of course be wrong, and I apologise if I am.
I find his interest in reading for children just that much too off piste for that to be entirely true, if it is very true at all.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
A bullshit claim in itself. Try running it recursively.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
I certainly don't care about his skin colour.
No man has 'betters' either. We're all the same.
In this case though I think he's being used by others for his celebrity value, and it may well be that he agrees entirely with the programme, but I just think that he's not the driving force. I may of course be wrong, and I apologise if I am.
I find his interest in reading for children just that much too off piste for that to be entirely true, if it is very true at all.
It doesn't matter so much in almost all ways- he's no doubt a nice guy. When it comes to National campaigns and the like it does start to matter.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Bull fucking shit.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.
I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.
Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
Yes, probably.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
Really? It's a sealed bids process. Sky, BT, Amazon bid shitloads of money for it. What difference does it make if the government helps itself to some of it?
The clubs wouldn't have as much to spend on players' wages, but it would dramatically change the PL's popularity.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
But he does. Literally and formally.
I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.
Leaving a stable door open after the horse has bolted springs to mind for some unaccountable reason.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
Yes, probably.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
Really? It's a sealed bids process. Sky, BT, Amazon bid shitloads of money for it. What difference does it make if the PL helps itself to some of it?
The clubs wouldn't have as much to spend on players' wages, but it would dramatically change the PL's popularity.
Yes.
If the clubs don't have as much to spend on players wages, then the league ceases to be the best and most competitive league in the world, the clubs don't perform as well in Europe (PL clubs have dominated in Europe) and La Liga becomes the new Premier League.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
Was it really the illuminati then?
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
A bullshit claim in itself. Try running it recursively.
Ah, speaking of bullshit, PB's genuine contrarian, and full-time professional twat rears his head! What bollox are you talking today?
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
Yes, probably.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
Really? It's a sealed bids process. Sky, BT, Amazon bid shitloads of money for it. What difference does it make if the government helps itself to some of it?
The clubs wouldn't have as much to spend on players' wages, but it would dramatically change the PL's popularity.
Because the contracts of the players aren't synced with the TV deals, a drop in revenue because of the windfall tax would end up ruining and bankrupting clubs.
They are already up shit up creek because of the rebate and loss in match day income.
You'd be effectively turning the PL into the SPL because only two teams could win it in Chelsea and Citeh.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Bull fucking shit.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.
I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.
Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.
A vote is an endorsement. You can protest if you like. You voted fascist.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Bull fucking shit.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.
I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.
Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.
A vote is an endorsement. You can protest if you like. You voted fascist.
No I did not. Voting for there to be no MEPs is not fascist.
Voting for Farage not to be an MEP is not fascist.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
You're half right
Well, if it was just him and me I’d have no choice but to talk about trains all the time.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
Yes, probably.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
Really? It's a sealed bids process. Sky, BT, Amazon bid shitloads of money for it. What difference does it make if the government helps itself to some of it?
The clubs wouldn't have as much to spend on players' wages, but it would dramatically change the PL's popularity.
Because the contracts of the players aren't synced with the TV deals, a drop in revenue because of the windfall tax would end up ruining and bankrupting clubs.
They are already up shit up creek because of the rebate and loss in match day income.
You'd be effectively turning the PL into the SPL because only two teams could win it in Chelsea and Citeh.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
More importantly, what are we all doing here?
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
You're half right
Well, if it was just him and me I’d have no choice but to talk about trains all the time.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Bull fucking shit.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.
I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.
Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.
A vote is an endorsement. You can protest if you like. You voted fascist.
No I did not. Voting for there to be no MEPs is not fascist.
Voting for Farage not to be an MEP is not fascist.
You would have more credibility if you said you regretted it, but clearly you don't, which suggests you are being disingenuous. If Farage or some other fascist promised me the moon on a stick and was able to prove it was true I wouldn't vote for him. I think you protest too much.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Genuinely, why not?
Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).
But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.
Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.
I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.
But would it be a net revenue raiser?
I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?
Yes, probably.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
Really? It's a sealed bids process. Sky, BT, Amazon bid shitloads of money for it. What difference does it make if the PL helps itself to some of it?
The clubs wouldn't have as much to spend on players' wages, but it would dramatically change the PL's popularity.
Yes.
If the clubs don't have as much to spend on players wages, then the league ceases to be the best and most competitive league in the world, the clubs don't perform as well in Europe (PL clubs have dominated in Europe) and La Liga becomes the new Premier League.
Killing the Golden Goose.
Perhaps. But it's interesting to wonder why the PL made it to the top. Serie A and La Liga had far more money than us 25 years ago. The reason the PL is the dominant league is because it is competitive, the stadiums are full (in normal times) and the football was more direct. That last point of difference has probably gone now, but the other two points are valid more than ever.
The increase in TV revenue in the last decade has been immense. Do I think the PL is any better than it was a decade ago? Possibly, but not in terms of value for money.
Maybe it would be unfair to single out footballers for punitive taxation, but the reality is they would be easier targets in my opinion. But I got a bit annoyed during the FSM debate when someone brought up Bill Shankly and how he would have approved of what Marcus was doing. I'm not sure Bill Shankly would approve of PL footballers being taxed at 45p in the pound when they are earning astronomical sums.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.
I despise Farage.
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.
Bull fucking shit.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.
I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.
Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.
A vote is an endorsement. You can protest if you like. You voted fascist.
Out of interest, are you actually as stupid as your posts indicate?
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I would point out this strategy ended badly for the likes of Pidcock...
Someone else though posted some flooding in Paddington, and that's far closer.
Maida Vale is pretty elevated and thus stuff will drain, however the areas drains are very Victorian.
I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/domestic/who_on_earth_is_the_hundred_for_we_try_to_identify_the_ecb's_mysterious_'new_audience'.html
Blue Corbynism in your words is therefore not extreme, it is Tory mainstream now and you by voting for the Brexit Party when I was voting for May's Tories still have if anything accelerated the process
“I’m afraid I can’t poll that, Dave”.
Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!
The libel case was over the suggestion, presented as fact, that there were more and deliberate double entendres.
Brand extension just don’t work like that.
It’s like Corbyn’s claim he would win with the votes of those who don’t vote.
Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?
Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.
(I just thought someone should)
It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.
Worse, in fact, because back then they had “Gentleman John” Major and now we have this half-Berlusconi half circus clown abomination in charge.
He's about as representative as a Labour Councillor from Liverpool Walton. No understanding of campaigning in a marginal or anything that actually matters in day to day politics. Hence why he only cares about what he interprets as a plurality of his own parties voters and not the rest of his own parties voters let alone voters for other parties.
It is certainly a step up from the usual football players interest in hookers and drunk driving.
Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?
I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.
If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.
What issue do you have with that?
https://www.roads.org.uk/ringways/ringway1/west-cross-route
Emma Thompson.
I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.
But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.
If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.
People can just say "X is an important priority and the money should be found either from lower spending elsewhere or general taxation".
It might help their argument it they did, and it would also legitimate for someone else to respond to that by saying "I don't think X is a particularly priority, and I just don't think it's worth spending £Y on it".
But I don't think it's fair to require someone to have the sort of knowledge of the national accounts that would enable them to come up with a fully costed proposal as some kind of entry-level requirement to join the debate.
One could argue celebrity ought to confer a degree of responsibility for the views expressed but we know that isn't always the case.
There's no easy answer - everyone has a right to an opinion and to express that opinion. The capacity to get that opinion to a wider audience and to be able to influence decision-makers directly or indirectly is a form of power which most of us don't possess.
That is a lie. You are lying about me.
He also beat Bill Gates in about 10 seconds on an Irish chat show when about 27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NwnSltHFo
Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?
No man has 'betters' either. We're all the same.
In this case though I think he's being used by others for his celebrity value, and it may well be that he agrees entirely with the programme, but I just think that he's not the driving force. I may of course be wrong, and I apologise if I am.
The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.
To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.
He seems to have gone very quiet since. Okay, it's something that he should in a sense have delegated to Mr Hancock, but even so.
I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.
Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.
The clubs wouldn't have as much to spend on players' wages, but it would dramatically change the PL's popularity.
Clearly I was off side.
If the clubs don't have as much to spend on players wages, then the league ceases to be the best and most competitive league in the world, the clubs don't perform as well in Europe (PL clubs have dominated in Europe) and La Liga becomes the new Premier League.
Killing the Golden Goose.
They are already up shit up creek because of the rebate and loss in match day income.
You'd be effectively turning the PL into the SPL because only two teams could win it in Chelsea and Citeh.
Voting for Farage not to be an MEP is not fascist.
The increase in TV revenue in the last decade has been immense. Do I think the PL is any better than it was a decade ago? Possibly, but not in terms of value for money.
Maybe it would be unfair to single out footballers for punitive taxation, but the reality is they would be easier targets in my opinion. But I got a bit annoyed during the FSM debate when someone brought up Bill Shankly and how he would have approved of what Marcus was doing. I'm not sure Bill Shankly would approve of PL footballers being taxed at 45p in the pound when they are earning astronomical sums.