I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
I do or the clubbing victim might might recognise me
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
Is no-one in England happy with their team's success ?
I think they should be immensely proud of their silver medals. Shocking that the spoilt brats immediately removed them from their necks within seconds of being awarded them. Very rude.
Yes. It's as though they believe themselves too good to accept a medal lesser than a winners. Whatever they intended it read as arrogant which to a lot of watchers made them bad losers. Not attractive at all
It's like the "Football's Coming Home" nonsense that gets wheeled out every tournament as soon as England wins a game.
It needs to be binned. It's arrogant. it's embarrassing and the rest of Europe is just laughing and not in a good way.
Its only arrogant if you are a pathetic self-hating twunt or xenophobe from overseas who has no sense of humour.
With lyrics like "England's gonna throw it away" its the complete opposite of arrogance.
So for expressing my opinion that the message conveyed from "It's Coming Home" is arrogant that makes me a "pathetic self-hating twunt". Thank you. And we wonder why the English are so universally loved across Europe.
I have travelled and worked in most European countries. In my experience, "we" are neither loved nor loathed except by some extreme chauvinists in Scotland and Wales, a few in France and a few lefty self loathers in our own country. Most see us with amusement for our sense of humour and admiration for our political system (up to approximately 2016), and a certain amount of incredulity for our isolationism (which is why some refer to us as "the islanders" in a slightly piss-takeish way). I do not think we are loved or loathed in any greater measure than any other nationality.
I think we are talking at cross-purposes here. When I was criticising "Football's Coming Home" as arrogant and embarrassing I wasn't referring to the original song when we hosted the tournament but the press headlines now every time England look as though they might win.
Again my comment about England being loved was really about the football team where I believe that a majority of fans in just about every other European country wanted Italy to win.
In general I agree that on the whole the English are not loved nor loathed more than any other nation except that I believe that there is a strain of English superiority that is pretty much disliked everywhere you go. Whether it is a legacy of the days of Empire I don't know but it is there and it is regularly exhibited by a number of posters on PB.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
I do or the clubbing victim might might recognise me
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Freedom day appears to have been watered down so far as to be nearly meaningless for my purposes. "We're going to take away the law that you have to wear masks - but if you don't carry on wearing them we'll reintroduce it."
If we are asking "if not now, when?", the answer therefore appears to be "never".
The BBC, the Labour Party, isage etc - have won. Again.
Strange how a Conservative government in power for 11 years with a majority of 80 is cruelly bullied and pushed from pillar to post by a heartless BBC, Labour and scientists. The bastards.
Strong minded and principled this government is not. The slightest hint of opposition and it keels over.
How has it keeled over?
The lifting of lockdown is going ahead.
The mask mandate with force of law is going.
Putting it in people's hands to choose to do the right thing or not is exactly the right thing to do.
Its like saying "yes you can drink a bottle of vodka every night, but no we don't recommend you do it".
Well if that's how it pays out I will be mollified. But it looks to me like we will be changing a 'law' that we wear masks with a 'requirement' that we wear masks - which to me is no change at all. Still no happy circulation around a pub. Still no pleasant shopping around a garden centre. Still no charge around a museum with the kids. In fact, far more restrictions than there were a year ago before we had vaccines.
This is why the vaccine bounce is over. People don't want vaccinations for the sheer joy of being jabbed in the arm with a sharp object. They want them for the hope that life might return to normal. But it's now looking further away than ever.
Isn't not catching Covid and dying agonisingly a more important motivation? It was for me.
Frankly, no. Though I'm pleased to be at less risk, I am more worried about life never returning and being stuck in this stupid half-life than I was about death.
I can understand why you feel the way you do, the restrictions have took a toll on many and I think we all wish we could wave a magic wand getting rid of Covid and going back to what it was like before.
There are encouraging signs we are heading in the right direction but I still think this awful virus and the disease it brings has some way to go yet.
We are in a much better situation than we were in compared to last year. Good progress but still some way to go.
The obligatory #vaccination of staff in public and private hospitals, and an entry ban for #unvaccinated people in indoor spaces were two key measures announced by Prime Minister @kmitsotakis at an exraordinary live briefing on Monday evening.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
No, as I said I support free school meals in term and in the holidays they get benefits too if on low incomes or out of work.
It is for parents to ensure they feed their children in the holidays, that is part of family responsibility
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
I suspect he would prefer children to go hungry all the time - although I can't be arsed to search and find the posts where he demonstrated a dislike of free school meals and that children of dysfunctional parents should starve
I will save that for when HYUFD gets nominated as a Tory party candidate and pull it out then
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
One thing that does slightly intrigue me is, why has this become an issue now?
After all, school holidays have been around much longer than free school meals.
Why has this not been campaigned for for eighty years?
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
I suspect he would prefer children to go hungry all the time - although I can't be arsed to search and find the posts where he demonstrated a dislike of free school meals
I will save that for when HYUFD gets nominated as a Tory party candidate and pull it out then
For local government or Westminster (or the English Pmt)? (I've forgotten where he is now.)
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
No, as I said I support free school meals in term and in the holidays they get benefits too if on low incomes or out of work.
It is for parents to ensure they feed their children in the holidays, that is part of family responsibility
yes, but the benefit is the same in the hols as in termtime, so a family just about manages in termtime, but then gets hit in the hols? Surely the FSM should be considered part of the benefit, payable in hols as well as termtime.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
That would be the same Simon Hoare who went so far as to oppose both Hunt and Boris for not keeping the backstop yes and is on the ultra left of the current Tory Party
As the Mail article made clear many Tory MPs were thinking what Elphicke said even if they were not willing to post anything
'One Tory MP told MailOnline there were about 200 MPs on the group Ms Elphicke posted to.
'It might have been something that many people might have been thinking, but probably best not to go there. It is pretty depressing that we can't have conversations among ourselves,' they said.
I think we are talking at cross-purposes here. When I was criticising "Football's Coming Home" as arrogant and embarrassing I wasn't referring to the original song when we hosted the tournament but the press headlines now every time England look as though they might win.
Again my comment about England being loved was really about the football team where I believe that a majority of fans in just about every other European country wanted Italy to win.
In general I agree that on the whole the English are not loved nor loathed more than any other nation except that I believe that there is a strain of English superiority that is pretty much disliked everywhere you go. Whether it is a legacy of the days of Empire I don't know but it is there and it is regularly exhibited by a number of posters on PB.
Many Americans seem fond of us - the culture is sufficiently different to be interesting, sufficiently similar to be comfortable, and supposedly the British accent is sexy (thank you Hugh Grant). Many older Danes were passionately pro-British when I lived there, because they remembered us as liberators - I remember taxi-drivers waiving fares, cafe owners refusing payment.
Otherwise I think Europeans take us pretty much as individuals, without a strong prejudice either way. I understand that countries in the former Empire have deeper and more complex feelings.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
That's the mad genius of the government's plan.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
No offence to HYUFD but a branch Chairman is a pretty unimportant position in the Conservative Party. If he were a Constituency Party Chairman that would be news.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
I suspect he would prefer children to go hungry all the time - although I can't be arsed to search and find the posts where he demonstrated a dislike of free school meals and that children of dysfunctional parents should starve
I will save that for when HYUFD gets nominated as a Tory party candidate and pull it out then
Hardly, otherwise I would oppose no free school meals or child benefits at all, I don't.
My position as I have shown is a position a plurality of Tory voters hold
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
That would be the same Simon Hoare who went so far as to oppose both Hunt and Boris for not keeping the backstop yes and is on the ultra left of the current Tory Party
As the Mail article made clear many Tory MPs were thinking what Elphicke said even if they were not willing to post anything
'One Tory MP told MailOnline there were about 200 MPs on the group Ms Elphicke posted to.
'It might have been something that many people might have been thinking, but probably best not to go there. It is pretty depressing that we can't have conversations among ourselves,' they said.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
Whoops, yes, of course, thank you. I should have put "only those who vote Tory and agree with HYUFD" ... But the point remains. I thought MPs and councillors represented all their constituents? Do the ones with potholes only get then filled in if they vote Tory and support X and Y?
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
No but if you are a Tory candidate or representative you are also meant to represent the views of the largest proportion of the Tory voters who put you there
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
That's the mad genius of the government's plan.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
Bit like when they ere making schools enforce all the precautions they wanted that were legally dubious (e.g. proof of exemption over mask wearing).
I think we are talking at cross-purposes here. When I was criticising "Football's Coming Home" as arrogant and embarrassing I wasn't referring to the original song when we hosted the tournament but the press headlines now every time England look as though they might win.
Again my comment about England being loved was really about the football team where I believe that a majority of fans in just about every other European country wanted Italy to win.
In general I agree that on the whole the English are not loved nor loathed more than any other nation except that I believe that there is a strain of English superiority that is pretty much disliked everywhere you go. Whether it is a legacy of the days of Empire I don't know but it is there and it is regularly exhibited by a number of posters on PB.
Many Americans seem fond of us - the culture is sufficiently different to be interesting, sufficiently similar to be comfortable, and supposedly the British accent is sexy (thank you Hugh Grant). Many older Danes were passionately pro-British when I lived there, because they remembered us as liberators - I remember taxi-drivers waiving fares, cafe owners refusing payment.
Otherwise I think Europeans take us pretty much as individuals, without a strong prejudice either way. I understand that countries in the former Empire have deeper and more complex feelings.
Accents: I don't think you have to thank Hugh Grant.
In my experience I'd say that people of all sorts are very welcoming.
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
That's the mad genius of the government's plan.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
I think the spike in cases will be colossal on the 19th - the dutch growth is basically what we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps the eggheads have factored that into the models but with known aerolised transmission amongst a largely partially or unvaccinated population - well we'll see.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
No but if you are a Tory candidate or representative you are also meant to represent the views of the largest proportion of the Tory voters who put you there
Are you referring to MPs? If so then you are under a misapprehension. Our political system is such that an MP is put there to use their best judgement, not reflect the latest populist whim that comes from a majority of swivelly-eyed membership. I believe the same principle also applies to councillors. If said swivelly-eyed folk don't like it they have the opportunity to deselect as per the articles of association.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
One thing that does slightly intrigue me is, why has this become an issue now?
After all, school holidays have been around much longer than free school meals.
Why has this not been campaigned for for eighty years?
I agree there, it has always been an anomaly, though when I was at school myself I rarely encountered anyone on FSM, either the schools hushed it up or they went home for dinner.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
Whoops, yes, of course, thank you. I should have put "only those who vote Tory and agree with HYUFD" ... But the point remains. I thought MPs and councillors represented all their constituents? Do the ones with potholes only get then filled in if they vote Tory and support X and Y?
Unless you are elected as an Independent, when you really do have a personal vote, if you stand under a party label you get elected to fulfil the views of that party's voters on how their local council or government should be run.
That does not mean you do not work for all your voters, including the ones who did not vote for you but it is only the ones who did vote for you who got you the role in the first place
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
That's the mad genius of the government's plan.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
I think it is perfectly reasonable for government to ask businesses and organisations to take their own responsibility now the vaccination campaign has been rolled out to near completion. As an example my uni is planning what we should do for next semester, and it’s definitely not just going back to 2019. There is going to be a split in the populace. Some would prefer the certainty of laws and restrictions, while others will be happier with guidance. I have great sympathy for those unable to get vaccinated or who are otherwise more at risk. But there is always risk in life. Around 8 to 10 people die every day on the U.K. roads. At some point other factors have to come into play. Children’s education, businesses that rely on having lots of people visit. Other health concerns. Time to open up, but ask people to be sensible. Yesterday showed that 95% of people will be great and 5% will be utter twunks. That’ll be fine.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
Whoops, yes, of course, thank you. I should have put "only those who vote Tory and agree with HYUFD" ... But the point remains. I thought MPs and councillors represented all their constituents? Do the ones with potholes only get then filled in if they vote Tory and support X and Y?
Unless you are elected as an Independent, when you really do have a personal vote, if you stand under a party label you get elected to fulfil the views of that party's voters on how their local council or government should be run.
That does not mean you do not work for all your voters, including the ones who did not vote for you but it is only the ones who did vote for you who got you the role in the first place
Sorry this is wrong. You are elected to use your judgement. If it is demonstrated that a majority of Tory voters in a constituency wanted the slaughter of the first born you would not be obliged to represent that view.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
One thing that does slightly intrigue me is, why has this become an issue now?
After all, school holidays have been around much longer than free school meals.
Why has this not been campaigned for for eighty years?
I agree there, it has always been an anomaly, though when I was at school myself I rarely encountered anyone on FSM, either the schools hushed it up or they went home for dinner.
At my primary, back in the 80s, I remember first thing of a Monday morning, everyone with "normal" school dinners used to get a "carnet" of 5 pink dinner tickets, whereas those on FSM (only a few, mind) got a "carnet" of white tickets.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
One thing that does slightly intrigue me is, why has this become an issue now?
After all, school holidays have been around much longer than free school meals.
Why has this not been campaigned for for eighty years?
I agree there, it has always been an anomaly, though when I was at school myself I rarely encountered anyone on FSM, either the schools hushed it up or they went home for dinner.
Don’t know where you went to school, or how old you are, but it was common enough in the comparatively affluent area of Gloucestershire I grew up in in the 1990s. More so in Ystradgynlais, but still noticeable in Newent.
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
That's the mad genius of the government's plan.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
I think the spike in cases will be colossal on the 19th - the dutch growth is basically what we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps the eggheads have factored that into the models but with known aerolised transmission amongst a largely partially or unvaccinated population - well we'll see.
As I’ve said before - we’ve had delta for ages. If it was going to go Dutch, it would have done so. We’re not exactly locked down, and haven’t been for some time.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
I suspect there is little difference for businesses between mandating restrictions rather than guidance as the key will be the attitude of their insurers
Indeed guidance applies mainly to foreign travel and it to has an effect on whether travel insurance is available
No doubt those involved in the law and insurance issues will have a better view on this than myself
That's potentially the key issue, and shows the limits of "let the people use common sense to decide".
It would be very Johnsonian to act in a way that ensures restrictions are largely maintained whilst giving him plausible deniability about his responsibility for them.
Surely no-one is going to go clubbing wearing a facemask?
That's the mad genius of the government's plan.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
I think the spike in cases will be colossal on the 19th - the dutch growth is basically what we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps the eggheads have factored that into the models but with known aerolised transmission amongst a largely partially or unvaccinated population - well we'll see.
As I’ve said before - we’ve had delta for ages. If it was going to go Dutch, it would have done so. We’re not exactly locked down, and haven’t been for some time.
The issue of course is how few restrictions anyone is following now.
All the 19th will do is confirm a fait accompli in 80% of cases.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Taking the biscuit is inevitable, since his stated goal is to remove the whole lunch.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Surely good Marxists don’t take the knee as it’s a sign of submission that they don’t believe in?
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Taking the biscuit is inevitable, since his stated goal is to remove the whole lunch.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
Hmm, the underlying logic of your argument is that only those who vote Tory deserve to be heard at all in modern English political life. Or am I misunderstanding?
You're misunderstanding.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
Whoops, yes, of course, thank you. I should have put "only those who vote Tory and agree with HYUFD" ... But the point remains. I thought MPs and councillors represented all their constituents? Do the ones with potholes only get then filled in if they vote Tory and support X and Y?
Unless you are elected as an Independent, when you really do have a personal vote, if you stand under a party label you get elected to fulfil the views of that party's voters on how their local council or government should be run.
That does not mean you do not work for all your voters, including the ones who did not vote for you but it is only the ones who did vote for you who got you the role in the first place
Sorry this is wrong. You are elected to use your judgement. If it is demonstrated that a majority of Tory voters in a constituency wanted the slaughter of the first born you would not be obliged to represent that view.
Maybe not and clearly there are limits to how far I would go and if that ever was the view of most Tory voters in a constituency I sought to represent then obviously I would lose my party's nomination to a Tory candidate who did support the slaughter of the first born (though obviously that is purely hypothetical)
I think we are talking at cross-purposes here. When I was criticising "Football's Coming Home" as arrogant and embarrassing I wasn't referring to the original song when we hosted the tournament but the press headlines now every time England look as though they might win.
Again my comment about England being loved was really about the football team where I believe that a majority of fans in just about every other European country wanted Italy to win.
In general I agree that on the whole the English are not loved nor loathed more than any other nation except that I believe that there is a strain of English superiority that is pretty much disliked everywhere you go. Whether it is a legacy of the days of Empire I don't know but it is there and it is regularly exhibited by a number of posters on PB.
Many Americans seem fond of us - the culture is sufficiently different to be interesting, sufficiently similar to be comfortable, and supposedly the British accent is sexy (thank you Hugh Grant). Many older Danes were passionately pro-British when I lived there, because they remembered us as liberators - I remember taxi-drivers waiving fares, cafe owners refusing payment.
Otherwise I think Europeans take us pretty much as individuals, without a strong prejudice either way. I understand that countries in the former Empire have deeper and more complex feelings.
I agree that most people take people as individuals and I have no doubt that historically there were pools of affection for the British. In the modern era though I'm not too sure of the latter. I did read (apologies for not remembering exactly where) but with the possible exception of Malta a majority of people were behind Italy last night in every other country in Europe. Genuinely interested in any theories as to why that should be so?
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
So you're happy for kids to go hungry in the hols due to no access to free school meals?
One thing that does slightly intrigue me is, why has this become an issue now?
After all, school holidays have been around much longer than free school meals.
Why has this not been campaigned for for eighty years?
I agree there, it has always been an anomaly, though when I was at school myself I rarely encountered anyone on FSM, either the schools hushed it up or they went home for dinner.
At my primary, back in the 80s, I remember first thing of a Monday morning, everyone with "normal" school dinners used to get a "carnet" of 5 pink dinner tickets, whereas those on FSM (only a few, mind) got a "carnet" of white tickets.
My schools had a similar system, but FSM was no stigma.
The biggest issue was how horrible the meals were, so those on paid meals often brought their own.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
How about "The country would be in a much better place if Johnson spent more time perfecting HIS game and less time playing politics".
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view.
Why not?
It might well be advisable not to do so as a general rule, but what about their profession means they shoud be denied the option to get involved in politics, something open to all of us?
And what does getting involved in politics mean? All subjects can be political. Someone might get political on an issue without being a partisan shill.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
How about "The country would be in a much better place if Johnson spent more time perfecting HIS game and less time playing politics".
If his game was cricket he wouldn’t need to work on it. Excellent puller and hooker.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%, so by your own admission you back most Labour voters not the largest proportion of Tory voters on this.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.
Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it.
Yes the penalty miss jibe may have been a cheap shot but that is all I will apologise for, I am not going to apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning for
You twist and turn digging a bigger hole at the same time
At least Elphicke knows the decent way to apologise
And decency seems beyond you on this one
I am not and will not apologise for saying something Tory voters, my voters, agree with by 47% to 40%.
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
That would be the same Simon Hoare who went so far as to oppose both Hunt and Boris for not keeping the backstop yes and is on the ultra left of the current Tory Party
As the Mail article made clear many Tory MPs were thinking what Elphicke said even if they were not willing to post anything
'One Tory MP told MailOnline there were about 200 MPs on the group Ms Elphicke posted to.
'It might have been something that many people might have been thinking, but probably best not to go there. It is pretty depressing that we can't have conversations among ourselves,' they said.
If you say something that makes you look like a total prick to 200 people (which is what Elphicke did) you can't be surprised if one of them, for whatever reason, decides to share that even more widely such that you look like a total prick to many more than 200 people.
That has always been the case. I don't get why it's being presented as some new aspect of political debate and terrible restriction on free exchange of idea - particularly when it was, in substance, utterly moronic as well as offensive.
It's also a reminder of the old adage that, in the House of Commons, your opponents sit in front of you, and your enemies sit behind and beside you. It's just plain idiotic to send a WhatsApp message to a pretty mixed bag of party colleagues if you'd not be reasonably relaxed about it finding its way into the public domain.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
Roman Catholics do it every time they go into church. Bloody Marxists!
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
I don’t think any historian of apartheid South Africa would agree with you.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
How does taking the knee make you a Marxist toytown revolutionary?
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Politics is not just for elected politicians, it's for everyone. The power of decision is given to them, not the power to be the only ones able to discuss or contribute to political debate.
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
What? Is he too stupid in your esteemed opinion? Did he make up his story about his own experience as a child? I saw him interviewed and he seemed pretty sincere and articulate on the subject, and, as one of the other posters mentioned, quite careful not to be party political. He might not be the world's best penalty taker but he does seem bright.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
100% agreed. Word for word.
Unusual that I agree with Big G and PT. And the skies are opening righteously too.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.
In what way was it political? Democrats suck?
It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.
Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
There was no Roger the Cabin Boy either
There was however a Master’s Mate, who had a terrible lisp so kept introducing himself as ‘Masterbate.’
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%
Just do the right thing and apologise for saying Marcus penalty miss was because he was involved in politics and end the issue
When was the last time Hyufd admitted a mistake?
Serious question.
HYUFD = HAL in "2001".
"Let me put it this way, Mr. ydoethur. The HYUFD series is the most reliable computer ever made. No HYUFD computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error."
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
I'm sick of seeing the adverts on YouTube.
My main problem with T20 is that I think they missed a trick. They should have made it so that you had six rather than 10 wickets. That is, only seven of the 11 can bat. That would do two things: it would make each wicket that bit more valuable. And it would mean that four players were picked for their bowling/fielding ability.
But I guess the whole idea is that they want it to be a slogathon.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
I find the idea of The Hundred really unnecessary and silly, far too close to T20 but not the T20.
One other problem for me is even if I wanted to follow it, I would struggle to bring myself to support a Manchester club. Happy to like Lancashire playing at Old Trafford, but supporting Manchester is a bridge too far.
I guess if I did support anyone, I'd have to go for Trent Rockets.
Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?
Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.
Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.
I find the idea of The Hundred really unnecessary and silly, far too close to T20 but not the T20.
One other problem for me is even if I wanted to follow it, I would struggle to bring myself to support a Manchester club. Happy to like Lancashire playing at Old Trafford, but supporting Manchester is a bridge too far.
I guess if I did support anyone, I'd have to go for Trent Rockets.
As a Welshman raised in Gloucestershire I am quite happy saying there is no way on earth I am supporting Welsh Fire.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.
Fine if you oppose the position a plurality of Tory voters oppose then vote Labour then, it is a free country.
On the triple lock I did say I would be fine with an earnings rather than inflation related link, focusing on higher Pension Credit instead
I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.
Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts
At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.
A polite question
Do you know just how big a star Marcus Rashford is in the country and have you even listened to him
He is articulate and very measured to the point that even Boris recognised he needed to engage with him
I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.
Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed
You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%, so by your own admission you back most Labour voters not the largest proportion of Tory voters on this.
But do you really think that the 47% of Tory voters who opposed Rashford's campaign (or the 12% of Labour for that matter) would react with "good on yer, Mrs Elphicke"? I don't.
What people see is an MP whose very first thought when a young man misses a crucial penalty is to attack his politics. Which is just incredibly weird in terms of how a normal viewer would react, as well as coming across as mean, vindictive, and lacking in empathy even it you also happen to disagree with the young man's politics.
I'd also note that it was entirely possible for someone to oppose Rashford's campaign on school meals in a poll without disliking him. It's perfectly legitimate to view it as a well-meaning intervention, whilst maintaining governments shouldn't cover meal costs out of term time, even in pandemic circumstances.
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New cases:
12th July: 34,471
11th: 31,614
10th: 32,069
9th: 35,221
8th: 32,053
7th: 31,998
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
As usual you give in to the left, I won't.
If Elphicke who has a high profile as an MP found it easier to get the leftwing twitterati off her back that is up to her.
As I said at most I will apologise for the penalty miss jibe, I will not apologise for disagreeing with what Rashford was campaigning on
You mean her fellow Tory MPs?
https://twitter.com/Simon4NDorset/status/1414535697441214467
Again my comment about England being loved was really about the football team where I believe that a majority of fans in just about every other European country wanted Italy to win.
In general I agree that on the whole the English are not loved nor loathed more than any other nation except that I believe that there is a strain of English superiority that is pretty much disliked everywhere you go. Whether it is a legacy of the days of Empire I don't know but it is there and it is regularly exhibited by a number of posters on PB.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments
There are encouraging signs we are heading in the right direction but I still think this awful virus and the disease it brings has some way to go yet.
We are in a much better situation than we were in compared to last year. Good progress but still some way to go.
Is he sincere? Who knows.
https://twitter.com/amna_newseng/status/1414628573680447489
The obligatory #vaccination of staff in public and private hospitals, and an entry ban for #unvaccinated people in indoor spaces were two key measures announced by Prime Minister
@kmitsotakis
at an exraordinary live briefing on Monday evening.
It is for parents to ensure they feed their children in the holidays, that is part of family responsibility
I will save that for when HYUFD gets nominated as a Tory party candidate and pull it out then
After all, school holidays have been around much longer than free school meals.
Why has this not been campaigned for for eighty years?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/contactus/index.html
Or perhaps
national@theguardian.com
If you're saying you'd be fine with it that's great. I will ponder my next move.
Only his twisted interpretation of 47% of those who vote Tory deserve to be heard.
Who cares about the other 53% of Tory voters and all other voters?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-49005896
As the Mail article made clear many Tory MPs were thinking what Elphicke said even if they were not willing to post anything
'One Tory MP told MailOnline there were about 200 MPs on the group Ms Elphicke posted to.
'It might have been something that many people might have been thinking, but probably best not to go there. It is pretty depressing that we can't have conversations among ourselves,' they said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html
Otherwise I think Europeans take us pretty much as individuals, without a strong prejudice either way. I understand that countries in the former Empire have deeper and more complex feelings.
It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.
Nightclubs are being encouraged/advised to get attendees to show evidence of vaccination. Does that mean they should bar people who aren't double-jabbed? If not, what's the blooming point? If so, is it going to be viable for them to open? After all, vaccinating da yoot is still a work in progress which won't be remotely finished for a couple of months (8 week rule, remember?). If a business goes against this advice, what's their licensing/insurance status?
I'm sure all these questions have answers, and they may be convincing ones. But it's also possible that BoJo and co are just bored of the whole damn thing and are passing impossible questions onto people who aren't really in a position to answer them.
(And for avoidance of doubt, I'm a physics teacher. I don't have a clue about these night club things.)
My position as I have shown is a position a plurality of Tory voters hold
It’s ultimately because they’re cowards.
PS, your mob are doing far too bloody well.
In my experience I'd say that people of all sorts are very welcoming.
That does not mean you do not work for all your voters, including the ones who did not vote for you but it is only the ones who did vote for you who got you the role in the first place
Time to open up, but ask people to be sensible. Yesterday showed that 95% of people will be great and 5% will be utter twunks. That’ll be fine.
If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.
(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)
You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics
The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted
To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign
All the 19th will do is confirm a fait accompli in 80% of cases.
The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.
The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.
The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/07/12/umpires-call-five-instead-hundred-pre-match-toss-take-place/
The biggest issue was how horrible the meals were, so those on paid meals often brought their own.
It might well be advisable not to do so as a general rule, but what about their profession means they shoud be denied the option to get involved in politics, something open to all of us?
And what does getting involved in politics mean? All subjects can be political. Someone might get political on an issue without being a partisan shill.
I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20
That has always been the case. I don't get why it's being presented as some new aspect of political debate and terrible restriction on free exchange of idea - particularly when it was, in substance, utterly moronic as well as offensive.
It's also a reminder of the old adage that, in the House of Commons, your opponents sit in front of you, and your enemies sit behind and beside you. It's just plain idiotic to send a WhatsApp message to a pretty mixed bag of party colleagues if you'd not be reasonably relaxed about it finding its way into the public domain.
https://twitter.com/Ankcorn/status/1414635411771740163
Because semen stains.
(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)
Serious question.
Why would that ever be the case?
And the skies are opening righteously too.
The rapture is upon us.
"Let me put it this way, Mr. ydoethur. The HYUFD series is the most reliable computer ever made. No HYUFD computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error."
My main problem with T20 is that I think they missed a trick. They should have made it so that you had six rather than 10 wickets. That is, only seven of the 11 can bat. That would do two things: it would make each wicket that bit more valuable. And it would mean that four players were picked for their bowling/fielding ability.
But I guess the whole idea is that they want it to be a slogathon.
It looks to be one of the flooded areas, so partly or largely inaccessible.
https://twitter.com/w9maidavale/status/1414638663900835843
One other problem for me is even if I wanted to follow it, I would struggle to bring myself to support a Manchester club. Happy to like Lancashire playing at Old Trafford, but supporting Manchester is a bridge too far.
I guess if I did support anyone, I'd have to go for Trent Rockets.
If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.
On the triple lock I did say I would be fine with an earnings rather than inflation related link, focusing on higher Pension Credit instead
Do you know just how big a star Marcus Rashford is in the country and have you even listened to him
He is articulate and very measured to the point that even Boris recognised he needed to engage with him
Do not underestimate this very smart young man
If you want to do something good or virtuous, do it privately, so that no-one else knows about it. It's just between you and God.
What people see is an MP whose very first thought when a young man misses a crucial penalty is to attack his politics. Which is just incredibly weird in terms of how a normal viewer would react, as well as coming across as mean, vindictive, and lacking in empathy even it you also happen to disagree with the young man's politics.
I'd also note that it was entirely possible for someone to oppose Rashford's campaign on school meals in a poll without disliking him. It's perfectly legitimate to view it as a well-meaning intervention, whilst maintaining governments shouldn't cover meal costs out of term time, even in pandemic circumstances.