BoJo’s “vaccine bounce” seems to be over but Starmer remains in negative territory – politicalbettin

HYUFD said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

Fine if you oppose the position a plurality of Tory voters oppose then vote Labour then, it is a free country

WhisperingOracle said:

Of the London posters, is anyone near or around Maida Vale ? I was hoping (needing, really ) to travel through there late on.

It looks to be one of the heaviest flooding areas, so partly or largely inaccessible.

https://twitter.com/w9maidavale/status/1414638663900835843

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Northern_Al said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.

In what way was it political? Democrats suck?

It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.

Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?

Because semen stains.

(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)

There was no Roger the Cabin Boy either

There was however a Master’s Mate, who had a terrible lisp so kept introducing himself as ‘Masterbate.’

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

Except even by omission he has been party political on this as while Labour voters backed Rashford's campaign by 71% to 12%, Tory voters opposed Rashford's campaign by 47% to 40%

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Just do the right thing and apologise for saying Marcus penalty miss was because he was involved in politics and end the issue

When was the last time Hyufd admitted a mistake?

Serious question.

HYUFD = HAL in "2001".

"Let me put it this way, Mr. ydoethur. The HYUFD series is the most reliable computer ever made. No HYUFD computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error."

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Northern_Al said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Monica Lewinsky also took the knee (on several occasions) and I don't think that made her a Marxist but it was certainly very political.

In what way was it political? Democrats suck?

It led to an impeachment, which was hard to swallow for so many.

Why is Monica Lewinsky’s dress like an episode of Captain Pugwash?

Because semen stains.

(Yes, I know there was no ‘Seaman Staines,’ but the joke still works.)

There was no Roger the Cabin Boy either

There was however a Master’s Mate, who had a terrible lisp so kept introducing himself as ‘Masterbate.’

Careful - there was a famous defamation case as a result of jokes like this IIRC.

turbotubbs said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.

The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.

The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.

The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/07/12/umpires-call-five-instead-hundred-pre-match-toss-take-place/

I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.

They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.

turbotubbs said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Umpires will call “five” instead of “over” and the pre-match toss will take place on the stage alongside the DJs rather than the field of play when the Hundred starts at the Kia Oval next week.

The playing regulations for the competition have been finalised and will see the introduction of coloured cards for the first time. Umpires will hold up a white card to signify the end of the first valid five balls from one end. Ten balls will be bowled from each end and a captain is allowed to keep on a bowler to bowl all ten balls if he wants. There will be nine changes of ends with a 50-second break for broadcasters.

The white card will be used to make it clear there have been five legal balls bowled and no wides or no balls. The two-minute second strategic time out can only be called by the fielding side and will be signified by an umpire pointing at his or her wristwatch.

The laws of the game state the toss has to take place on the field of play but this will be overwritten by the playing regulations of the tournament, a common step in domestic competitions, and will be broadcast probably from the stage where DJs, signed up by BBC and the ECB, will perform.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/07/12/umpires-call-five-instead-hundred-pre-match-toss-take-place/

I just...I just don't get it. I'm sure people derided and saw no need for Twenty20 either, but the Hundred really looks like it is trying too hard to be cool and different.

They have been quite clear that the hundred is not designed to appeal to existing cricket fans. I am not the target.

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

Except I do, I am in fact in the mainstream of the Tory Party now and indeed represent the views of a plurality of 2019 Tory voters on free school meals in the holidays as Yougov showed.

Blue Corbynism in your words is therefore not extreme, it is Tory mainstream now and you by voting for the Brexit Party when I was voting for May's Tories still have if anything accelerated the process

Dreary me

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

Carnyx said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

But he does. Literally and formally.

I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.

Leon said:

Hurrah for HYUFD

(I just thought someone should)

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

Was it really the illuminati then?

Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!

Philip_Thompson said:

Carnyx said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

But he does. Literally and formally.

I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.

Not really. As others have said 'branch chair' of a local party is not a significant role. Especially in an extraordinarily safe part of the country.

He's about as representative as a Labour Councillor from Liverpool Walton. No understanding of campaigning in a marginal or anything that actually matters in day to day politics. Hence why he only cares about what he interprets as a plurality of his own parties voters and not the rest of his own parties voters let alone voters for other parties.

Foxy said:

tlg86 said:

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).

I am not sure that Rashfords approach to child poverty is the correct one, but am pleased to see him take an interest in raising the issue.

It is certainly a step up from the usual football players interest in hookers and drunk driving.

ydoethur said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

More importantly, what are we all doing here?

It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.

TOPPING said:

There is a simple answer to the should celebrities get involved in politics debate, albeit it is one that makes you want to eat your own feet:

Emma Thompson.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

Was it really the illuminati then?

Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!

Foxy said:

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

More importantly, what are we all doing here?

It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.

Quite. Everyone else would hit the buffers.

Where else would we let off steam?

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).

But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.

I despise Farage.

I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.

If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.

What issue do you have with that?

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

Was it really the illuminati then?

Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!

I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.

Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?

I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.

I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.

state_go_away said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

Was it really the illuminati then?

Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!

Eric Bristow was 23 when he won the world darts championship

ydoethur said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

More importantly, what are we all doing here?

It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris very downbeat this evening.

kle4 said:

ydoethur said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

More importantly, what are we all doing here?

It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.

You're half right

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).

But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.

Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.

But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.

If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.

That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.

ydoethur said:

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).

But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.

Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.

But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.

If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.

That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.

I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.

But would it be a net revenue raiser?

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.

I despise Farage.

I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.

If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.

What issue do you have with that?

Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.

Bull fucking shit.

That is a lie. You are lying about me.

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).

But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.

Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.

But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.

If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.

That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.

I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris very downbeat this evening.

I think he has just taken the aged by 20 years pill that is administered to every PM on being elected.

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Carnyx said:

Omnium said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

Was it really the illuminati then?

Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!

I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.

Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?

I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.

I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.

I certainly don't care about his skin colour.

No man has 'betters' either. We're all the same.

In this case though I think he's being used by others for his celebrity value, and it may well be that he agrees entirely with the programme, but I just think that he's not the driving force. I may of course be wrong, and I apologise if I am.

I find his interest in reading for children just that much too off piste for that to be entirely true, if it is very true at all.

Philip_Thompson said:

tlg86 said:

ydoethur said:

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Carnyx said:

tlg86 said:

Cicero said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Genuinely, why not?

Obviously anyone can get involved. My problem with Rashford is that he only gets to say "you should spend more money on x" and doesn't have to consider the other side of the equation (i.e. where does that money come from?).

But that's not the primary concern of the spending ministries. On that logic, Mr Rashford is perfectly well qualified to be Secretary of State at the Dept of Education or whatever it is called these days. After all, he has to consider the spending priorities of the organizations in which he is already involved, anyway.

Absolutely! I think he'd be fine as a minister of a government department.

But if you're not in government, I think you ought to at least think about the revenue raising side of things.

If I was PM, I'd have invited Rashford to a Downing Street summit and I'd have proposed a decent increase in benefits (better than voucher benefits). But! it would be paid for by a windfall tax on the PL. So 50% of the next domestic TV deal would go to the government. And I'd have insisted on Rashford approving that side of things too.

That's instantly rebuttable by the principle that taxes are not hypothecated, isn't it? So it would be seen as deliberately vindictive.

I'm a vindictive kind of person. I actually think a windfall tax on the PL would be justified and enforceable, so I'd be up for doing it anyway.

But would it be a net revenue raiser?

I don't see why not. What are you thinking? PL move abroad?

Yes, probably.

The PL is the Golden Goose. It raises billions of pounds in taxes annually.

To screw around with that would be economic vandalism. Laffer Curve in action, jack taxes up and you lose revenues.

Carnyx said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

But he does. Literally and formally.

I'm beginning to wonder if he is a Russian bot put in to destroy faith in the British system of parliamentary democracy through the Westminster parties.

IshmaelZ said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Omnium said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Omnium said:

ydoethur said:

Pulpstar said:

I think either Rashford's or the 'parent responsibility' is valid on FSM. Suggesting it has anything to do with his penalties last night is truly ludicrous and immediately makes anyone on the 'parent responsibility' angle sound like an idiot.

Although we could make some amusing riffs on it.

If Johnson spent less time pretending to care about the football and more time running the country perhaps we wouldn’t be in this f***ing awful mess.

(Actually, we’d probably be in a much worse one given how useless he is.)

Any commentary by any politician on sport is not what they should be doing. I'd except a straightforward expression of personal good wishes.

I also don't like sportswomen and sportsmen using their celebrity to make political points, and especially so when it seems like they're just puppets . Rashford's campaigns seem unlikely to be anything much to do with him, although perhaps he's thought through and agreed to the message. Anyway, if he's the driving force there I'll eat many hats.

Actually he is the driving force having suffered as a child and his story of his childhood would melt most decent people's hearts

At 23 he's got all this out there, sorted out his feelings, and is able to propose a national plan? I'm not buying that.

Was it really the illuminati then?

Being 23 is not an inhibition to greatness or innovative thought. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia aged 20 and had conquered the beginnings of a massive empire by the time he was Rashford's age. Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the dambusters raid. Bloody illuminati get everywhere!

I suspect that Rashford is not Alexander, nor Napoleon.

Are you really saying that you don't think his celebrity is being played?

I saw him interviewed. I have a very sensitive bullshitometer (which is why I dislike Johnson even tho I am a Conservative), and he came across as very sincere and extremely mature for 23. He should be applauded for attempting to address an important issue.

I am sure this is not the case with yourself, but I suspect that some who express your view do so because they think a black man that earns what he does should be grateful and not express his opinions to his betters.

A bullshit claim in itself. Try running it recursively.

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.

I despise Farage.

I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.

If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.

What issue do you have with that?

Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.

Bull fucking shit.

That is a lie. You are lying about me.

No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.

Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?

I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.

I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.

Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.

ydoethur said:

kle4 said:

ydoethur said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Andy_JS said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

Time to give @HYUFD a rest and move on.. It isn't worth doxxing or forcing an insincere apology.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Rashfords campaigning (some six months ago) interfered with his penalties last night. Not least because Footballers train for 4-5 hours per day, so have plenty of free time. Rashford spends it more productively than many of his peers.

Also, I find it ludicrous that taking the knee somehow makes you a Marxist toytown revolutionary! I mean, did Marx himself ever take the knee? Did Lenin? Stalin?

Sportspeople shouldn't get involved in politics. That's my view. Leave politics to elected politicians.

Would you like to provide a comprehensive list of people who aren't elected politicians who you, in your wisdom, don't think should get involved in politics?

Business leaders? Environmentalists? Journalists? Teachers? Nurses? Astrophysicists? Engineers? Binmen? Contributors to political betting websites?

Is it your view that we should all watch in silence between elections unless we are ourselves elected? If not, where are you drawing the line? Asking out of curiosity.

More importantly, what are we all doing here?

It would only be Sunil and me left, talking about trains and trading awesome puns, if we took that line.

You're half right

Well, if it was just him and me I’d have no choice but to talk about trains all the time.

Carnyx said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Boris very downbeat this evening.

I think he has just taken the aged by 20 years pill that is administered to every PM on being elected.

He could do with a "lose two or three stone" pill

He was going on about that sort of thing for the natiomn in general a bit more than a year ago after catching the pox.

He seems to have gone very quiet since. Okay, it's something that he should in a sense have delegated to Mr Hancock, but even so.

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.

I despise Farage.

I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.

If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.

What issue do you have with that?

Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.

Bull fucking shit.

That is a lie. You are lying about me.

No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.

Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?

I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.

I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.

Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.

A vote is an endorsement. You can protest if you like. You voted fascist.

No I did not. Voting for there to be no MEPs is not fascist.

Voting for Farage not to be an MEP is not fascist.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Philip_Thompson said:

moonshine said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TOPPING said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Well now.

Marcus Rashford: Dover MP Natalie Elphicke apologises over penalty comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264

Yet Tory voters by 47% to 40% opposed Rashford's campaign to extend free school meals to the school holidays, so plenty of her own voters will have agreed with her
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

Where is your apology

There won't be one, I am a Tory and will not apologise for saying something most of my party's voters agree with.

Elphicke only apologised to get the leftwing twitterati off her back, she would not have said it in the first place if she did not agree with it

o

No

Elphicke apologised because it is the right thing to do

You shame your position in the party with your response

Yet it is me who represents most Tory voters views on this, not you.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1317126424587833344?s=20

I will not be doing it because it would be doxxing you but I guarantee that if I were to call the news desks of some national newspapers right now they would run the Party Chair says Elphicke is Lying story.

Gven most Daily Mail comments seem to agree with Elphicke and me on this I highly doubt they would given I am only a branch chair but even if they did so what, it is what most Tories think as I have showed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html#comments

You are deliberately merging two issues to escape from apologising for saying exactly the same as Natalie Elphicke

You said Marcus missed penalty was because he involved himself in politics

The first thing is that your statement is crass and requires an apology, and the second thing is that Marcus has been deliberately non party political on this and that has been accepted

To smear a young man trying to improve the lives of children takes the biscuit and yes this conservative is proud to back Marcus's campaign

When I read comments and the attitude from HYFUD about this, it makes me never want to vote conservative again. It’s already an abomination that they are juicing the triple lock at the expense of underfunding universal credit. But it’s compounded by the tory party not understanding how morally disgusting it is to give individuals like me a £15k bung during covid (stamp duty cut) while quibbling over feeding disadvantaged kids. The tribalist blithering from HYFUD blows my mind. Time for a change but seems shuffling the deckchairs in cabinet is not gonna be enough. More of this HYFUD and you’ll have me voting Labour.

I'm glad that HYUFD does not reflect the Tory Party in reality, he's a Blue Corbynite extremist.

If he did represent the Party then I'd be out. PDQ.

What a shame he doesn't then. I have read quite a few of his views and they are rarely as obnoxious and extreme as yours. You voted for a crypto-fascist party, the Brexit Party, founded by Farage who who was named as a racist by Alan Sked, founder of UKIP (if we needed any confirmation). I don't agree with HYUFD on this subject, but you are in no position to get so supercilious.

I despise Farage.

I voted for Farage to be sacked as an MEP. He's been sacked as an MEP.

If he got elected in another platform and I had an option to vote to get him sacked, I'd be happy to take it again.

What issue do you have with that?

Good try Philip. You voted for his party. You voted for a fascist, a man who is reputed by one who knew him well to be a racist. You don't despise him, you enthusiastically endorsed him with your vote.

Bull fucking shit.

That is a lie. You are lying about me.

No, I am not aware that I am. You said you voted for the Brexit Party. That party was founded by Farage. A vote for that party has to be an endorsement of the leader of that party particularly if they are also the founder. You will no doubt claim you voted for them to get your beloved Brexit, but by doing so you endorsed Farage, wholeheartedly.

Unless you are now saying you did not vote for the Faragist/fascist party known by it's official name The Brexit party?

I have made abundantly clear I never supported the Brexit Party. I never endorsed Farage.

I cast a protest vote in a meaningless election to get rid of Farage and get rid of the racist, xenophobe May.

Two birds, one stone. But it was with a peg on the nose and through gritted teeth, I didn't want to do it, but it worked. Far from the first person in democracy to cast a protest vote, and rare to get one so effective as to eliminate people I despised from politics. Which includes ousting Farage from his elected position.

A vote is an endorsement. You can protest if you like. You voted fascist.