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Striking story from WWII:
A mutiny began in the U.S. Army #OTD 1943 in Bamber Bridge, Lancs after U.S. Military Police attempted to arrest black soldiers from the 1511th Quartermaster Truck Regiment. When commanders demanded a colour bar in the town, pubs in the village posted “Black Troops Only” signs.
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It would be ironic if they end up reforming the treaties in an effort to kick a country out after refusing to reform them to keep a country in.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, the EU treaties say you must adhere to the following things.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mask slips.....as we know to EU bods, such an arrangement just isn't sufficient.tlg86 said:
The horror!williamglenn said:Wow:
Mark Rutte: "For me, Hungary has no place in the EU anymore”
Rutte if they refuse to withdraw the legislation: “then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU”
“This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency”
https://twitter.com/SkyScottBeasley/status/1408077831091937288
That's the nature of treaties generally.
I think the EU should go through the process of expelling them, simply because either the treaties mean what they say, or they don't.4 -
I don't think so. Someone leaving the UK is not really our concern (unless they happen to be a UK citizen).MattW said:
Thanks.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
Do we place any restrictions on travel *from* here, do you know?
I am trying to get at whether we already severely limit travel to the continent.1 -
Karma’s a bitch...williamglenn said:
It would be ironic if they end up reforming the treaties in an effort to kick a country out after refusing to reform them to keep a country in.rcs1000 said:
To be fair, the EU treaties say you must adhere to the following things.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mask slips.....as we know to EU bods, such an arrangement just isn't sufficient.tlg86 said:
The horror!williamglenn said:Wow:
Mark Rutte: "For me, Hungary has no place in the EU anymore”
Rutte if they refuse to withdraw the legislation: “then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU”
“This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency”
https://twitter.com/SkyScottBeasley/status/1408077831091937288
That's the nature of treaties generally.
I think the EU should go through the process of expelling them, simply because either the treaties mean what they say, or they don't.0 -
Loosely retold in Nevil Shute’s postwar novel The Chequer Board.CarlottaVance said:Striking story from WWII:
A mutiny began in the U.S. Army #OTD 1943 in Bamber Bridge, Lancs after U.S. Military Police attempted to arrest black soldiers from the 1511th Quartermaster Truck Regiment. When commanders demanded a colour bar in the town, pubs in the village posted “Black Troops Only” signs.
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Something that makes me very proud to be British.CarlottaVance said:Striking story from WWII:
A mutiny began in the U.S. Army #OTD 1943 in Bamber Bridge, Lancs after U.S. Military Police attempted to arrest black soldiers from the 1511th Quartermaster Truck Regiment. When commanders demanded a colour bar in the town, pubs in the village posted “Black Troops Only” signs.
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And then there needs to be a negative before they return to UK (even for a green list country).rcs1000 said:
I don't think so. Someone leaving the UK is not really our concern (unless they happen to be a UK citizen).MattW said:
Thanks.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
Do we place any restrictions on travel *from* here, do you know?
I am trying to get at whether we already severely limit travel to the continent.0 -
A couple of days ago, HMG published two new pages: travel in; travel out (of England).MattW said:
Thanks.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
Do we place any restrictions on travel *from* here, do you know?
I am trying to get at whether we already severely limit travel to the continent.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-england-from-another-country-during-coronavirus-covid-19
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-abroad-from-england-during-coronavirus-covid-19
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That's correct (and is, indeed, currently the case I believe).Stocky said:
And then there needs to be a negative before they return to UK (even for a green list country).rcs1000 said:
I don't think so. Someone leaving the UK is not really our concern (unless they happen to be a UK citizen).MattW said:
Thanks.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
Do we place any restrictions on travel *from* here, do you know?
I am trying to get at whether we already severely limit travel to the continent.0 -
Given that the EU will be fully vaccinated by the end of August, why would the problem persist until Q4?AnExileinD4 said:
Lisbon had already introduced a partial lockdown at weekends (so carefully calibrated to have no material effect other than annoy people).FrancisUrquhart said:NEW: Portugal suspends lifting of coronavirus restrictions as new cases continue to rise, fueled by the Delta variant
Europe is really running the risk of just pushing the problem into Q4.0 -
That's right. The very minimum (from Green country) is a negative test before you return to UK - AND there will be a further mandatory PCR test two days after return. (Obvs, rules for returning from Amber and Red countries are far more onerous.)rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
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Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️0 -
rottenborough said:
Afraid to say I rather like the ordering drinks by app. No need to break up the flow of chat by someone having to disappear to the bar to queue for ten minutes.darkage said:
Covid theatre.Gardenwalker said:I was out in London last night.
Went to a bar. Absolute toss. Socially distanced queueing, before being escorted to socially distanced tables.
Then order drinks by app.
What’s the point?
Of course I realise this probably means the pub is losing money, so not a long term good idea. Unless some places keep it and up their prices to pay for it.
I detest eating out. The worst covid misery totalitarians are Nandos. I've been twice in the covid era and each time have spent 45 minutes messing around on my phone trying to set up an account and do an order on their terrible anti user friendly phone battery destroying app. It used to take about 2 minutes going up to the till and ordering, now this agonising ordeal of ordering, totally kills the whole meal.rottenborough said:
Afraid to say I rather like the ordering drinks by app. No need to break up the flow of chat by someone having to disappear to the bar to queue for ten minutes.darkage said:
Covid theatre.Gardenwalker said:I was out in London last night.
Went to a bar. Absolute toss. Socially distanced queueing, before being escorted to socially distanced tables.
Then order drinks by app.
What’s the point?
Of course I realise this probably means the pub is losing money, so not a long term good idea. Unless some places keep it and up their prices to pay for it.0 -
Because I don’t believe that they will be “fully vaccinated”. I could well be wrong of course.rcs1000 said:
Given that the EU will be fully vaccinated by the end of August, why would the problem persist until Q4?AnExileinD4 said:
Lisbon had already introduced a partial lockdown at weekends (so carefully calibrated to have no material effect other than annoy people).FrancisUrquhart said:NEW: Portugal suspends lifting of coronavirus restrictions as new cases continue to rise, fueled by the Delta variant
Europe is really running the risk of just pushing the problem into Q4.0 -
Boris said he would and this was on the basis of this lot being forseeable ?Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️0 -
An inspiration to all of us who are getting on in years, but still feel we’ve got it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/575983070 -
Isn't is astonishing that the government thinks people who spend time in a country with lower rates of infection than the UK are higher risk that people who visit parts of our own country with high rates? Or perhaps they don't really think this and this is all about politics?rcs1000 said:
That's correct (and is, indeed, currently the case I believe).Stocky said:
And then there needs to be a negative before they return to UK (even for a green list country).rcs1000 said:
I don't think so. Someone leaving the UK is not really our concern (unless they happen to be a UK citizen).MattW said:
Thanks.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
Do we place any restrictions on travel *from* here, do you know?
I am trying to get at whether we already severely limit travel to the continent.3 -
Treating that as a non-cynical comment, "fully vaccinated" has a definition on wheels.rcs1000 said:
Given that the EU will be fully vaccinated by the end of August, why would the problem persist until Q4?AnExileinD4 said:
Lisbon had already introduced a partial lockdown at weekends (so carefully calibrated to have no material effect other than annoy people).FrancisUrquhart said:NEW: Portugal suspends lifting of coronavirus restrictions as new cases continue to rise, fueled by the Delta variant
Europe is really running the risk of just pushing the problem into Q4.1 -
another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.
I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.1 -
This has been obvious for ages. The interesting question is whether it would have been possible to actually achieve Brexit, given what had already happened over Ireland, except by making an agreement which would have to be modified later.CarlottaVance said:Revelation about bears in woods next…
In EU capitals, suspicion is growing that PM Boris Johnson signed the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol simply to get elected and get Brexit over the line—then, create a fuss over the detailed provisions and try to get a better deal
https://twitter.com/carolinegruyter/status/1407983413622099973?s=21
SFAICS, given the GFA, there is no possible deal which doesn't breach someone's integrity; the question is going to be whose.
Control of the narrative will be important. Our approach I suppose will be some version of 'Is the EU really prepared to have a return to violence for the sake of a few perfectly wholesome sausages slipping over the border?'
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Oh to be only 45!ydoethur said:An inspiration to all of us who are getting on in years, but still feel we’ve got it.
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This may arguably be true but let’s face it this is also France playing silly buggers. It makes a complete mockery of their previous policy requiring a negative test AND double vaccination if they don’t actually think this is sufficient to let people in. Especially when it’s pretty obvious that Delta is well seeded in the EU and closing borders to vaccinated U.K. citizens will make absolutely no difference.OllyT said:
Not only has Boris's stupidity in not red-listing India earlier resulted in "Freedom Day" being postponed in the UK he has pretty much guaranteed that nobody else in Europe is going to want to allow us in to their countries either.Pro_Rata said:
Thought it was coming.CarlottaVance said:That’ll stop it!
Breaking: France joins Germany by insisting that all passenger arrivals from the UK must quarantine — even if they have been fully vaccinated — amid fears over the rise of the ‘Delta’ variant. #COVID19
https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/1408091543534280712?s=21
Actually, they’re doing us a favour - keeping us out of that Petri dish otherwise known as “EU Summer 2021”!
Boris waiting till he knew it was all a moot point before opening up travel from the UK side??
What is the f***g point of allowing vaccinated Brits to travel if we can't go anywhere?
To add insult to injury he will turn round and tell us how unreasonable the EU for not letting Brits travel and the usual suspects will wave their union jacks and cheer him on. Boris needs us to be constantly "at war" with the rest of Europe to keep the troops fired up but it will not serve us well.
And it’s also short sighted. Any approach that aspires to exiting this and returning to normality has to trust in the vaccines. Otherwise there’s no realistic prospect of escape.
I also wouldn’t be totally surprised if this is linked to growing pressure to remove the Euro2020 finals from Wembley.
Well that and a continuous desire to play down the success of the U.K. vaccination programme.1 -
Having flown in last night there is a big difference between what you 'can' do and what you are 'supposed' to do as my Covid test document and my passenger location form stayed securely in my closed bag without being looked at, at Gatwick. It was a vaguely checked at the Portuguese end but it would have been dead easy to mock up a local test certificate and as my passenger location form was in a plastic folder and not removed only the front page was seen.rcs1000 said:
My understanding is that you can't fly to the UK without a negative Covid test, vaccinated or otherwise.MattW said:Can anyone tell me whether *all* travellers *from* the UK abroad currently have have one of being vaccinated or have a negative COVID test?
And the authorities only know who I am to check on me because I have done the tests and filled out the form. Unless they are cross checking flight details with Passenger Location Forms and following up on any absent forms I can't see where the checks are for anyone who doesn't want to fork out (In my case £60 + 60 Euros + £85).
Not impressed unless there is something cunning going on in the background.
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Does the expulsion process even exist?Philip_Thompson said:
No mask. The EU bods never intended for the EU to be that.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mask slips.....as we know to EU bods, such an arrangement just isn't sufficient.tlg86 said:
The horror!williamglenn said:Wow:
Mark Rutte: "For me, Hungary has no place in the EU anymore”
Rutte if they refuse to withdraw the legislation: “then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU”
“This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency”
https://twitter.com/SkyScottBeasley/status/1408077831091937288
It was only British politicians and Remainers who were adamant the EU was just a trade bloc etc despite Europeans being keen for that not to be what it was.
It's why Britain was in hindsight fundamentally unsuitable for Europe. All the talk of two speeds etc never worked, either people should have got on board with the full project or got off the train.
We eventually did the right thing and I hope the Dutch etc can now do the right thing for them without us in their way. Good luck to them. But yes the Hungarians should be expelled, but I don't think they can be. No idea how they fix that mess.
The 'voluntary' process did not exist for the first 50 years, and then when it was 'created' it was deliberately crippled to make it impossible to use.
And then people wonder whether certain things were said a little cynically. Duh.1 -
Indeed - Spain is hoping for 70% by the end of July.MattW said:
Treating that as a non-cynical comment, "fully vaccinated" has a definition on wheels.rcs1000 said:
Given that the EU will be fully vaccinated by the end of August, why would the problem persist until Q4?AnExileinD4 said:
Lisbon had already introduced a partial lockdown at weekends (so carefully calibrated to have no material effect other than annoy people).FrancisUrquhart said:NEW: Portugal suspends lifting of coronavirus restrictions as new cases continue to rise, fueled by the Delta variant
Europe is really running the risk of just pushing the problem into Q4.0 -
Has the Youtube algorithm changed? In the last couple of days, it seems to have decided I'm Pakistani. Or it may be that it is based on my IP address but you'd think Google would know better than that: IP addresses for domestic users are not fixed and move from person to person.Nemtynakht said:
Big thumbs up for YouTube although like anything else algorithmical I find it a bit unnerving. Classic wrestling matches, superhero star wars speculation, whisky reviews, weird facts about songs, and now TIFO. I find it weird when it notifies me on my phone!northern_monkey said:Jesus, I fell down the New Thread hole again...
FPT: FrancisUrquhart said:
Compare with BBC / ITV "analysis"...its like watching standard def vs UHD TV.
Where is Jadon Sancho? from Tifo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q1RUIxgOpE
Just a different level of analysis and insight.
I'm watching a lot more YouTube since lockdown began. You can just nerd out on any subject you want, it's amazing. To be fair to the BBC, ITN, etc, they just don't have the time to go into this level of detail, and it is detail that would probably see a lot of people switching off pretty quickly.
But we are very fortunate to have YouTube.
And may I also give an honourable mention to these guys, going from strength to strength: https://www.historyhit.com/0 -
Needlessly petulant posturing of the highest order, Sheffield style.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-575981010 -
On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.2 -
The whole point of getting vaccinated is to avoid dying of a killer disease.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do.
So I would say the second is part and parcel of being an antivaxxer...0 -
No need to expell anyone. The worst will leave of their own accord.MattW said:
Does the expulsion process even exist?Philip_Thompson said:
No mask. The EU bods never intended for the EU to be that.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mask slips.....as we know to EU bods, such an arrangement just isn't sufficient.tlg86 said:
The horror!williamglenn said:Wow:
Mark Rutte: "For me, Hungary has no place in the EU anymore”
Rutte if they refuse to withdraw the legislation: “then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU”
“This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency”
https://twitter.com/SkyScottBeasley/status/1408077831091937288
It was only British politicians and Remainers who were adamant the EU was just a trade bloc etc despite Europeans being keen for that not to be what it was.
It's why Britain was in hindsight fundamentally unsuitable for Europe. All the talk of two speeds etc never worked, either people should have got on board with the full project or got off the train.
We eventually did the right thing and I hope the Dutch etc can now do the right thing for them without us in their way. Good luck to them. But yes the Hungarians should be expelled, but I don't think they can be. No idea how they fix that mess.
The 'voluntary' process did not exist for the first 50 years, and then when it was 'created' it was deliberately crippled to make it impossible to use.
And then people wonder whether certain things were said a little cynically. Duh.1 -
Bet they were accused of virtue signalling.CarlottaVance said:Striking story from WWII:
A mutiny began in the U.S. Army #OTD 1943 in Bamber Bridge, Lancs after U.S. Military Police attempted to arrest black soldiers from the 1511th Quartermaster Truck Regiment. When commanders demanded a colour bar in the town, pubs in the village posted “Black Troops Only” signs.
https://twitter.com/EnglishRadical/status/1407960455876857857?s=200 -
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*0 -
That is a *lot* of stepmom.TheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*3 -
UK cases by specimen date
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England PCR
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UK Case summary
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Why are you so confidant that the Delta variant is well seeded in the EU? you may be right, but I haven't seen any reason to think so. in Portugal yes, Sweden and Finland yes, Spain yes, but elsewhere no so sure, geeminy has just had a 48% WoW drop, so hard to see it being that 'well seeded' there.alex_ said:
This may arguably be true but let’s face it this is also France playing silly buggers. It makes a complete mockery of their previous policy requiring a negative test AND double vaccination if they don’t actually think this is sufficient to let people in. Especially when it’s pretty obvious that Delta is well seeded in the EU and closing borders to vaccinated U.K. citizens will make absolutely no difference.OllyT said:
Not only has Boris's stupidity in not red-listing India earlier resulted in "Freedom Day" being postponed in the UK he has pretty much guaranteed that nobody else in Europe is going to want to allow us in to their countries either.Pro_Rata said:
Thought it was coming.CarlottaVance said:That’ll stop it!
Breaking: France joins Germany by insisting that all passenger arrivals from the UK must quarantine — even if they have been fully vaccinated — amid fears over the rise of the ‘Delta’ variant. #COVID19
https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/1408091543534280712?s=21
Actually, they’re doing us a favour - keeping us out of that Petri dish otherwise known as “EU Summer 2021”!
Boris waiting till he knew it was all a moot point before opening up travel from the UK side??
What is the f***g point of allowing vaccinated Brits to travel if we can't go anywhere?
To add insult to injury he will turn round and tell us how unreasonable the EU for not letting Brits travel and the usual suspects will wave their union jacks and cheer him on. Boris needs us to be constantly "at war" with the rest of Europe to keep the troops fired up but it will not serve us well.
And it’s also short sighted. Any approach that aspires to exiting this and returning to normality has to trust in the vaccines. Otherwise there’s no realistic prospect of escape.
I also wouldn’t be totally surprised if this is linked to growing pressure to remove the Euro2020 finals from Wembley.
Well that and a continuous desire to play down the success of the U.K. vaccination programme.0 -
UK hospitals
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The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.darkage said:another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.
I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.1 -
Perhaps Farage and Boris Johnson were actually EU moles. Maybe they will send them both to Hungary. Let us hope they get on with itOnlyLivingBoy said:
No need to expell anyone. The worst will leave of their own accord.MattW said:
Does the expulsion process even exist?Philip_Thompson said:
No mask. The EU bods never intended for the EU to be that.FrancisUrquhart said:
The mask slips.....as we know to EU bods, such an arrangement just isn't sufficient.tlg86 said:
The horror!williamglenn said:Wow:
Mark Rutte: "For me, Hungary has no place in the EU anymore”
Rutte if they refuse to withdraw the legislation: “then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU”
“This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency”
https://twitter.com/SkyScottBeasley/status/1408077831091937288
It was only British politicians and Remainers who were adamant the EU was just a trade bloc etc despite Europeans being keen for that not to be what it was.
It's why Britain was in hindsight fundamentally unsuitable for Europe. All the talk of two speeds etc never worked, either people should have got on board with the full project or got off the train.
We eventually did the right thing and I hope the Dutch etc can now do the right thing for them without us in their way. Good luck to them. But yes the Hungarians should be expelled, but I don't think they can be. No idea how they fix that mess.
The 'voluntary' process did not exist for the first 50 years, and then when it was 'created' it was deliberately crippled to make it impossible to use.
And then people wonder whether certain things were said a little cynically. Duh.0 -
How dare you madam.Gardenwalker said:
That is a *lot* of stepmom.TheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
Holiday coincided with test matches, a grand prix, and constant video calling with the parents and kids.
The villa was lovely but had no satellite channels or decent broadband speed.0 -
Re: WW2 racism etc. I was going to post this little account before - relations amongst black and white in a US navy yard when the USN borrowed HMS Victorious for a few months in WW2 when they only had one carrier available in the Pacific. Personally I think it may be slightly partial, but essentially accurate.
"The Americans were security mad. Every dockyard worker on board had a rating allocated to watch him full time, and if he was welding on a bulkhead, he had two. One in the compartment he was in, and one in the compartment which backed on to it, both armed with fire extinguishers. As there were a lot of them, and they worked right through in shifts, they put quite a stain on our manpower.
The American Naval Authorities could not do anything about this arrangement as it was a civil law, and out of their hands. After much argument’ it was arranged that they would supply working parties to help with the handling of the re-armament stores And when they did, that started a real fire storm.
Remember we were in West* Virginia, the birthplace of rabid segregationists and the Klu Klux Klan, who were still, apparently alive and well. We had already found that public transport, restaurants, and every other public facility were plainly marked, ‘Whites Only’ and ‘Others’. So when the first working party arrived at the gangway, it was not surprising to see they were negroes, escorted by four white naval NCOs complete with side arms and batons.
When the O.O.W. refused them permission to come aboard carrying arms, in which he included the batons, he was asked, in less than polite terms,” how do you expect us to keep these black ‘B’s in order without guns”. The O.O.W. was adamant, and it finished up with a big con-flab between Capt. McIntosh and the base Senior Officer, with I believe, signals to and from Admiralty. They must have backed McIntosh, because from there on the work party arrived at the ship, complete with armed escort, who then turned them over to the O.O.W, did an about turn and departed, no doubt spitting and spluttering about the damm limeys giving the F**** black B**** ideas above their station.
These working parties worked with however many of the ship’s company could be mustered, but it took them a while to feel at ease working alongside, and doing the same jobs as ‘you mad whities’ as they called us. And they did work, hard. Perhaps we sowed the seeds of a cultural revolution, This discrimination caused quite a few fights ashore, and as the American Naval Police were so bigoted, we instituted our own shore patrols to work with them."
https://www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious3 -
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
UK deaths
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10% of cases in France are now the Delta variant. That number will only go up.BigRich said:
Why are you so confidant that the Delta variant is well seeded in the EU? you may be right, but I haven't seen any reason to think so. in Portugal yes, Sweden and Finland yes, Spain yes, but elsewhere no so sure, geeminy has just had a 48% WoW drop, so hard to see it being that 'well seeded' there.alex_ said:
This may arguably be true but let’s face it this is also France playing silly buggers. It makes a complete mockery of their previous policy requiring a negative test AND double vaccination if they don’t actually think this is sufficient to let people in. Especially when it’s pretty obvious that Delta is well seeded in the EU and closing borders to vaccinated U.K. citizens will make absolutely no difference.OllyT said:
Not only has Boris's stupidity in not red-listing India earlier resulted in "Freedom Day" being postponed in the UK he has pretty much guaranteed that nobody else in Europe is going to want to allow us in to their countries either.Pro_Rata said:
Thought it was coming.CarlottaVance said:That’ll stop it!
Breaking: France joins Germany by insisting that all passenger arrivals from the UK must quarantine — even if they have been fully vaccinated — amid fears over the rise of the ‘Delta’ variant. #COVID19
https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/1408091543534280712?s=21
Actually, they’re doing us a favour - keeping us out of that Petri dish otherwise known as “EU Summer 2021”!
Boris waiting till he knew it was all a moot point before opening up travel from the UK side??
What is the f***g point of allowing vaccinated Brits to travel if we can't go anywhere?
To add insult to injury he will turn round and tell us how unreasonable the EU for not letting Brits travel and the usual suspects will wave their union jacks and cheer him on. Boris needs us to be constantly "at war" with the rest of Europe to keep the troops fired up but it will not serve us well.
And it’s also short sighted. Any approach that aspires to exiting this and returning to normality has to trust in the vaccines. Otherwise there’s no realistic prospect of escape.
I also wouldn’t be totally surprised if this is linked to growing pressure to remove the Euro2020 finals from Wembley.
Well that and a continuous desire to play down the success of the U.K. vaccination programme.2 -
This is all still localised.Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
Yes Scotland, the North and South West are all rocketing upwards like a kangaroo on speed despite me being assured beyond doubt that they had already peaked but London, for example, is only creeping upwards.
Different parts of the country were hit very, very differently in Autumn and Winter and we are now seeing that affect in Summer.0 -
Its not about 'safety' its not about 'vaccinations' or anything elsePulpstar said:
Boris said he would and this was on the basis of this lot being forseeable ?Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The reason we are leaving lockdown, if we are, is that cases are rising alarmingly.
Cases of southern conservative voters either not turning up or voting for someone else, that is.
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Age related data
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Somewhere, in the far distance, I can just about make out the scraping of a tiny violin.TheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*0 -
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.1 -
Vaccinations
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As far as I’m aware there are little or no restrictions on movement within the EU now. So if it’s in some places, it’s going to get to most of them. And of course the key factor is not what cases are doing in general but what cases of Delta are doing.BigRich said:
Why are you so confidant that the Delta variant is well seeded in the EU? you may be right, but I haven't seen any reason to think so. in Portugal yes, Sweden and Finland yes, Spain yes, but elsewhere no so sure, geeminy has just had a 48% WoW drop, so hard to see it being that 'well seeded' there.alex_ said:
This may arguably be true but let’s face it this is also France playing silly buggers. It makes a complete mockery of their previous policy requiring a negative test AND double vaccination if they don’t actually think this is sufficient to let people in. Especially when it’s pretty obvious that Delta is well seeded in the EU and closing borders to vaccinated U.K. citizens will make absolutely no difference.OllyT said:
Not only has Boris's stupidity in not red-listing India earlier resulted in "Freedom Day" being postponed in the UK he has pretty much guaranteed that nobody else in Europe is going to want to allow us in to their countries either.Pro_Rata said:
Thought it was coming.CarlottaVance said:That’ll stop it!
Breaking: France joins Germany by insisting that all passenger arrivals from the UK must quarantine — even if they have been fully vaccinated — amid fears over the rise of the ‘Delta’ variant. #COVID19
https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/1408091543534280712?s=21
Actually, they’re doing us a favour - keeping us out of that Petri dish otherwise known as “EU Summer 2021”!
Boris waiting till he knew it was all a moot point before opening up travel from the UK side??
What is the f***g point of allowing vaccinated Brits to travel if we can't go anywhere?
To add insult to injury he will turn round and tell us how unreasonable the EU for not letting Brits travel and the usual suspects will wave their union jacks and cheer him on. Boris needs us to be constantly "at war" with the rest of Europe to keep the troops fired up but it will not serve us well.
And it’s also short sighted. Any approach that aspires to exiting this and returning to normality has to trust in the vaccines. Otherwise there’s no realistic prospect of escape.
I also wouldn’t be totally surprised if this is linked to growing pressure to remove the Euro2020 finals from Wembley.
Well that and a continuous desire to play down the success of the U.K. vaccination programme.
So you may be right. But it’s really a matter of time. Note I’m talking about the policy of preventing vaccinated people from travelling - not a free for all.3 -
Of course France are not going to do us any favours. The reality is that post-Brexit we are going to remain at odds with all our close neighbours for some time particularly as Boris is going to constantly pick fights with them to keep the Mail & Telegraph readers and the red-wallers fired up.alex_ said:
This may arguably be true but let’s face it this is also France playing silly buggers. It makes a complete mockery of their previous policy requiring a negative test AND double vaccination if they don’t actually think this is sufficient to let people in. Especially when it’s pretty obvious that Delta is well seeded in the EU and closing borders to vaccinated U.K. citizens will make absolutely no difference.OllyT said:
Not only has Boris's stupidity in not red-listing India earlier resulted in "Freedom Day" being postponed in the UK he has pretty much guaranteed that nobody else in Europe is going to want to allow us in to their countries either.Pro_Rata said:
Thought it was coming.CarlottaVance said:That’ll stop it!
Breaking: France joins Germany by insisting that all passenger arrivals from the UK must quarantine — even if they have been fully vaccinated — amid fears over the rise of the ‘Delta’ variant. #COVID19
https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/1408091543534280712?s=21
Actually, they’re doing us a favour - keeping us out of that Petri dish otherwise known as “EU Summer 2021”!
Boris waiting till he knew it was all a moot point before opening up travel from the UK side??
What is the f***g point of allowing vaccinated Brits to travel if we can't go anywhere?
To add insult to injury he will turn round and tell us how unreasonable the EU for not letting Brits travel and the usual suspects will wave their union jacks and cheer him on. Boris needs us to be constantly "at war" with the rest of Europe to keep the troops fired up but it will not serve us well.
And it’s also short sighted. Any approach that aspires to exiting this and returning to normality has to trust in the vaccines. Otherwise there’s no realistic prospect of escape.
I also wouldn’t be totally surprised if this is linked to growing pressure to remove the Euro2020 finals from Wembley.
Well that and a continuous desire to play down the success of the U.K. vaccination programme.
It's a consequence that we will just have to live with. I also believe most of the benefits of our undoubtedly successful vaccination programme are being squandered. Within a matter of months all of Europe will have vaccinated everyone that wishes to be vaccinated and any advantage we may have has will have vanished.0 -
Time to be less garrulousTheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
But £10 for 30 days is hardly crippling.0 -
COVID summary
Cases up massively (again), and deaths up somewhat
Admissions have plateaued -
And from the England data we can see this is across all ages - 85+ is definitely down. 0 -
The only rules that will work are ones that establish a self-consistent legal situation but are then ignored.algarkirk said:
This has been obvious for ages. The interesting question is whether it would have been possible to actually achieve Brexit, given what had already happened over Ireland, except by making an agreement which would have to be modified later.CarlottaVance said:Revelation about bears in woods next…
In EU capitals, suspicion is growing that PM Boris Johnson signed the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol simply to get elected and get Brexit over the line—then, create a fuss over the detailed provisions and try to get a better deal
https://twitter.com/carolinegruyter/status/1407983413622099973?s=21
SFAICS, given the GFA, there is no possible deal which doesn't breach someone's integrity; the question is going to be whose.
Control of the narrative will be important. Our approach I suppose will be some version of 'Is the EU really prepared to have a return to violence for the sake of a few perfectly wholesome sausages slipping over the border?'
The EU doesn't seem to understand this yet, although some of the member states do when it suits.0 -
??AnExileinD4 said:
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
They've narrowed the gap to about five weeks behind us (in terms of doses administered per 100 people), and their pace of vaccinations is still increasing.AnExileinD4 said:
Because I don’t believe that they will be “fully vaccinated”. I could well be wrong of course.rcs1000 said:
Given that the EU will be fully vaccinated by the end of August, why would the problem persist until Q4?AnExileinD4 said:
Lisbon had already introduced a partial lockdown at weekends (so carefully calibrated to have no material effect other than annoy people).FrancisUrquhart said:NEW: Portugal suspends lifting of coronavirus restrictions as new cases continue to rise, fueled by the Delta variant
Europe is really running the risk of just pushing the problem into Q4.
So, why not?0 -
1. Substantial increase in cases foreseeable and already priced into the decisionsBenpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
2. Hospital numbers crawling upwards at a much slower rate than last time
3. Percentage increase in deaths arguably misleading, since they're creeping up from a base of almost nothing
4. Vaccinations continuing to work their way down the age groups, increase the proportion of those protected and disrupt chains of transmission
5. Increasing political pressure on Government to desist from further stalling
6. Significant medical and scientific opinion accumulating in favour of relaxation, as well as the usual loud shouting from the ISAGE prophets of doom
7. Positive evidence from Bolton, Blackburn, Bedford and other places struck by Delta early on in the current wave
In short, I won't believe that July 19th is going ahead until it actually happens, but there are some grounds for cautious optimism.1 -
Billings replaces injured Buttler. Willey in for Woakes.
Big loss for England.0 -
The grounds for optimism come from what happened in May and what happened in C&A.LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.
Southern Tory voters have f8cking had enough and are staying away or defecting in a swathe of leafy constituencies.
That is what is moving the government, and its much more reliable than turning yourself into a pin cushion for charity.0 -
I won't ask what the bloody hell you were doing....nor why you didn't have any access to WiFi....and how you didn't get dinged against this being against fair use policy.TheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
The thing is for ages you have been already buy PAYG Sims for non-EU travel that gives loads of data for peanuts.0 -
For us working class it is a lot.MattW said:
Time to be less garrulousTheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
But £10 for 30 days is hardly crippling.
Those of us on o2, it is 25GB free to be used in Europe then £3.50 per GB after that, so it would have cost me £962.50.0 -
On the Microsoft issue my Windows upgraded overnight to something called the S version. When I tried to go to Steam today I was told it was an unverified App. So I had to go back to my earlier version to get access. Any way I can resolve this conflict?1
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Ok thanks, that's cheered me up a fraction.LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.
I'd love to know what proportion of those new cases, hospitalisations and deaths have had a double vaccination >2 weeks prior to contracting covid.
I assume that data is captured - does anyone know if it's published?0 -
Also, can you imagine the outcry if he announces in July 12th that the restrictions won’t be lifted, but no problem with the “pilot” capacity 140k British Grand Prix going ahead the same week? I know it’s outside but still...LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.0 -
I try to keep some smash for beggars who are sadly always with us.kinabalu said:
The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.darkage said:another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.
I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.0 -
See my post at 6.11pm for an explanation.FrancisUrquhart said:
I won't ask what the bloody hell you were doing....nor why you didn't have any access to WiFi....TheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
Edit - I also hotspotted for my girlfriend.
Edit II - Hotspotted isn't a euphemism you perverts.4 -
That was tried before and did not go down well.FrancisUrquhart said:
Build a wall and make them pay for it....CarlottaVance said:Cases up, testing up, positivity up.....
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/2332783/nearly-3000-new-covid-cases-in-scotland-as-dundee-outbreak-soars/0 -
Cases are localised and hospitalisations are largely in the unvaccinated. All adults can now have vaccine (though I accept that many will have 2nd jab to come, they will have some protection from 1st jab).Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The cases/hospitalisations/deaths were predicted to rise through road map stages, especially the 17 May relaxations.
So, this was always going to be the case. Likewise, it was also always going to be the case that those seeking to prolong restrictions would try to use this to scare the government into deviating from the road map. They have succeeded once - they mustn't be allowed to again.
We have run out of money.
No justification for further withdrawing of personal liberties. Full stop.
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No it wouldn't. There is still a government upper limit cap on what they can charge for oversea data use. I think its £45.TheScreamingEagles said:
For us working class it is a lot.MattW said:
Time to be less garrulousTheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
But £10 for 30 days is hardly crippling.
Those of us on o2, it is 25GB free to be used in Europe then £3.50 per GB after that, so it would have cost me £962.50.0 -
It is being captured - but not being published in the daily data from PHE.Benpointer said:
Ok thanks, that's cheered me up a fraction.LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.
I'd love to know what proportion of those new cases, hospitalisations and deaths have had a double vaccination >2 weeks prior to contracting covid.
I assume that data is captured - does anyone know if it's published?
Various papers are being written on it and released at intervals....0 -
Also Vodafone etc are imposing "fair use" which means I will now switch off my GB-NI mobile and when I can get back I will cancel my contract. They wilfully mislead me by saying that if I reset my contract then fair use limits woiuld be raised, I did, they were not. So they will get no more business from me at all and I will switch to my EU contract.TheScreamingEagles said:
On my last holiday in the EU I used just over 300GB in a fortnight.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913
I see that EE is bringing back roaming charges for travel in Europe. The Brexit dividend continues.
*Sob*
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Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.AnExileinD4 said:
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
Have you been branded an Islamophobe before?TheScreamingEagles said:
Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.AnExileinD4 said:
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
In about 18 days time we will hit 90% 1st doses for adults in the UK - if it doesn't tail off before then. Given that Wales is crawling up to 90% as we speak, this is probably close to the maximum we are going to get....alex_ said:
Also, can you imagine the outcry if he announces in July 12th that the restrictions won’t be lifted, but no problem with the “pilot” capacity 140k British Grand Prix going ahead the same week? I know it’s outside but still...LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.0 -
Boo!
https://twitter.com/unit_football/status/1408020325389017090
Football Intelligence Unit
@unit_football
No away fans in the Premier League until at least Christmas0 -
It's a view.Stocky said:
Cases are localised and hospitalisations are largely in the unvaccinated. All adults can now have vaccine (though I accept that many will have 2nd jab to come, they will have some protection from 1st jab).Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The cases/hospitalisations/deaths were predicted to rise through road map stages, especially the 17 May relaxations.
So, this was always going to be the case. Likewise, it was also always going to be the case that those seeking to prolong restrictions would try to use this to scare the government into deviating from the road map. They have succeeded once - they mustn't be allowed to again.
We have run out of money.
No justification for further withdrawing of personal liberties. Full stop.
What evidence can you offer for your assertion that "We have run out of money"?0 -
Latest rates for Greater Manchester areas Scot Gov has banned travel to/from
* Manchester 378 (cases per 100k people over 7 days)
* Salford 335
* Bolton 251
Latest rates for worst-hit Scottish councils (no travel restrictions)
* East Lothian 391
* Dundee 381
* Edinburgh 336
https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1408111801598947330?s=201 -
yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.kinabalu said:
The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.darkage said:another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.
I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.1 -
I don't get that. I thought freedom day was removal of basically all restrictions?tlg86 said:Boo!
https://twitter.com/unit_football/status/1408020325389017090
Football Intelligence Unit
@unit_football
No away fans in the Premier League until at least Christmas
If we are "fully vaccinated", we are going to have 140,000 at a Grand Prix, we are going to have 60,000 are Wembley....but we can't have a few 1000 away fans?2 -
Oh, I see. You're happy for us to keep printing money. Will you be happy for tax rates and spending in the future to reflect this or will be calling this "Tory Austerity"?Benpointer said:
It's a view.Stocky said:
Cases are localised and hospitalisations are largely in the unvaccinated. All adults can now have vaccine (though I accept that many will have 2nd jab to come, they will have some protection from 1st jab).Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The cases/hospitalisations/deaths were predicted to rise through road map stages, especially the 17 May relaxations.
So, this was always going to be the case. Likewise, it was also always going to be the case that those seeking to prolong restrictions would try to use this to scare the government into deviating from the road map. They have succeeded once - they mustn't be allowed to again.
We have run out of money.
No justification for further withdrawing of personal liberties. Full stop.
What evidence can you offer for your assertion that "We have run out of money"?0 -
Many many times, once on here when I said I would be deeply uncomfortable with having Muslim neighbours.FrancisUrquhart said:
Have you been branded an Islamophobe before?TheScreamingEagles said:
Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.AnExileinD4 said:
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
What happens if you lose your cash?darkage said:
yeah but what happens if you lose your cards (as I did). What then? Also making payment by card compulsory is a backdoor to permanent surveillance, it is a major encroachment in to freedom.kinabalu said:
The pandemic has killed my cash habit and I don't think it's coming back. It's been over 15 months now since I last used.darkage said:another thing which I noticed is the amount of places that don't accept cash anymore. I found myself in central london with no cards on me and only cash, I was turned away from literally all of the outlets in charing cross station, the only place I could buy dinner from was marks and spencer.
I went in to Itsu and just well how the fuck am I going to eat anything if no one accepts cash and the woman behind the counter just shrugged.0 -
Johnson's assorted idiots are wondering how they can avoid hitting already disgruntled tories for six with Southern constituency losing tax increases later this year and next.Stocky said:
Cases are localised and hospitalisations are largely in the unvaccinated. All adults can now have vaccine (though I accept that many will have 2nd jab to come, they will have some protection from 1st jab).Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The cases/hospitalisations/deaths were predicted to rise through road map stages, especially the 17 May relaxations.
So, this was always going to be the case. Likewise, it was also always going to be the case that those seeking to prolong restrictions would try to use this to scare the government into deviating from road map. They have succeeded once - they mustn't be allowed to again.
We have run out of money.
No justification for further withdrawing of personal liberties. Full stop.
Growth is the only solution. Not much of a solution but the only one. And the only way to get growth is reopen.
Save the NHS? if it comes to me losing my seat, f8ck the NHS.
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It’s an anti Man Utd conspiracytlg86 said:Boo!
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CarlottaVance said:
Latest rates for Greater Manchester areas Scot Gov has banned travel to/from
* Manchester 378 (cases per 100k people over 7 days)
* Salford 335
* Bolton 251
Latest rates for worst-hit Scottish councils (no travel restrictions)
* East Lothian 391
* Dundee 381
* Edinburgh 336
https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1408111801598947330?s=20
SNP trying to protect Manchester?0 -
Bit harsh to talk about your folks that way though....TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many times, once on here when I said I would be deeply uncomfortable with having Muslim neighbours.FrancisUrquhart said:
Have you been branded an Islamophobe before?TheScreamingEagles said:
Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.AnExileinD4 said:
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.0 -
What a dumb question.Benpointer said:
It's a view.Stocky said:
Cases are localised and hospitalisations are largely in the unvaccinated. All adults can now have vaccine (though I accept that many will have 2nd jab to come, they will have some protection from 1st jab).Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The cases/hospitalisations/deaths were predicted to rise through road map stages, especially the 17 May relaxations.
So, this was always going to be the case. Likewise, it was also always going to be the case that those seeking to prolong restrictions would try to use this to scare the government into deviating from the road map. They have succeeded once - they mustn't be allowed to again.
We have run out of money.
No justification for further withdrawing of personal liberties. Full stop.
What evidence can you offer for your assertion that "We have run out of money"?1 -
Apparently we can get weekly data from PHE broken down better for the younger age groups.Malmesbury said:Age related data
Could be better, but is at least indicative:0 -
Two arses with ideas above their stations, a pair of useless fannies.Burgessian said:
FWIW i think Nicola's scrap with Andy Burnham was quite a considerable misstep by her. The Anglophobia just too blatant. Might fire up the base but a big turn-off for everyone else.CarlottaVance said:Cases up, testing up, positivity up.....
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/2332783/nearly-3000-new-covid-cases-in-scotland-as-dundee-outbreak-soars/0 -
Exactly. Once you reach maximum vaccination, what are restrictions supposed to achieve? Unless intended to be permanent.Malmesbury said:
In about 18 days time we will hit 90% 1st doses for adults in the UK - if it doesn't tail off before then. Given that Wales is crawling up to 90% as we speak, this is probably close to the maximum we are going to get....alex_ said:
Also, can you imagine the outcry if he announces in July 12th that the restrictions won’t be lifted, but no problem with the “pilot” capacity 140k British Grand Prix going ahead the same week? I know it’s outside but still...LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.2 -
They aren't my neighbours, landlords/servants depending on your POV.FrancisUrquhart said:
Bit harsh to talk about your folks that way though....TheScreamingEagles said:
Many many times, once on here when I said I would be deeply uncomfortable with having Muslim neighbours.FrancisUrquhart said:
Have you been branded an Islamophobe before?TheScreamingEagles said:
Absolutely, my house is adorned with portraits of Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.AnExileinD4 said:
Didn’t see you as a racist.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, bring back the birch or the death penalty for antivaxxers.
Either will do, they should not be allowed to hold the rest of society back.
But seriously, I still would be deeply uncomfortable with having Muslims as neighbours.
As you know I'm a very good Muslim and they'd feel bad because they weren't as pious as me.1 -
Out of more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. in May, only 150 were among people who were fully vaccinated
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1408105682897879052?s=20
And how many of that 150 were incredibly old and died with COVID / had a whole load of other medical complications?3 -
And yet, no signs of howling lunatics in hazmat suits patrolling the border at Berwick, screaming at the Scots to go home. Fancy that.CarlottaVance said:Latest rates for Greater Manchester areas Scot Gov has banned travel to/from
* Manchester 378 (cases per 100k people over 7 days)
* Salford 335
* Bolton 251
Latest rates for worst-hit Scottish councils (no travel restrictions)
* East Lothian 391
* Dundee 381
* Edinburgh 336
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At bottom, when you justify the prolonging of lockdowns because "we are nearly there because we have the vaccine silver bullet", and then the vaccines are better than expected and taken up so well and speedily, what do you have left to prolong this abomination any further other than ignorant public opinion feeding populism allied to people who have vested interests all over the place?contrarian said:
Johnson's assorted idiots are wondering how they can avoid hitting already disgruntled tories for six with Southern constituency losing tax increases later this year and next.Stocky said:
Cases are localised and hospitalisations are largely in the unvaccinated. All adults can now have vaccine (though I accept that many will have 2nd jab to come, they will have some protection from 1st jab).Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
The cases/hospitalisations/deaths were predicted to rise through road map stages, especially the 17 May relaxations.
So, this was always going to be the case. Likewise, it was also always going to be the case that those seeking to prolong restrictions would try to use this to scare the government into deviating from road map. They have succeeded once - they mustn't be allowed to again.
We have run out of money.
No justification for further withdrawing of personal liberties. Full stop.
Growth is the only solution. Not much of a solution but the only one. And the only way to get growth is reopen.
Save the NHS? if it comes to me losing my seat, f8ck the NHS.1 -
I see you've found a way to reconcile yourself with the reality that vaccines are bringing this pandemic to an end, without having to change your mind about anything. Well done.contrarian said:
The grounds for optimism come from what happened in May and what happened in C&A.LostPassword said:
If we look again at Johnson's statement on the 14th June - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-14-june-2021 - I would particularly draw your attention to these bits:Benpointer said:Feeling a bit depressed by stats today - can someone help me?
UK 7 day cases up by 44%, deaths up by 32%, hospitalisations up by 17%. On what basis does anyone expect the lockdown restrictions to ease in a few weeks time? ☹️
"By Monday 19th July we will aim to have double jabbed around two thirds of the adult population including everyone over 50, all the vulnerable, all the frontline health and care workers and everyone over 40 who received their first dose by mid-May....
And we will bring forward our target to give every adult in this country a first dose by 19th July that is including young people over the age of 18..."
Johnson explicitly linked the 19th July date with these milestones towards completion of the vaccination program, rather than reducing the number of cases, because, as he went on to say:
"It is unmistakably clear the vaccines are working..."
So, while I have often been very critical of Johnson, and wouldn't normally quote him approvingly, I think these quotes do give grounds for optimism that the 19th July date can be stuck to, provided that the vaccination program doesn't come to a halt.
Southern Tory voters have f8cking had enough and are staying away or defecting in a swathe of leafy constituencies.
That is what is moving the government, and its much more reliable than turning yourself into a pin cushion for charity.1 -
Remarkable story and something to be proud of.kinabalu said:
Bet they were accused of virtue signalling.CarlottaVance said:Striking story from WWII:
A mutiny began in the U.S. Army #OTD 1943 in Bamber Bridge, Lancs after U.S. Military Police attempted to arrest black soldiers from the 1511th Quartermaster Truck Regiment. When commanders demanded a colour bar in the town, pubs in the village posted “Black Troops Only” signs.
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This might not be Governmental diktat though. Could be the Premier League itself playing silly buggers.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't get that. I thought freedom day was removal of basically all restrictions?tlg86 said:Boo!
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If we are "fully vaccinated", we are going to have 140,000 at a Grand Prix, we are going to have 60,000 are Wembley....but we can't have a few 1000 away fans?
I fully anticipate being stuck with Covid measures at work for some considerable period of time after July 19th, even if they are all scrapped in wider society. Some businesses are more reluctant to let go of the security blanket than others.1
