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Notting Hill is right next to Kensington Gardens, Hyde Park, and Holland Park how much green do you want short of Hampstead Heath? And meanwhile it's a lovely walk along High St Ken to the West End.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho
I think it depends if you are a North Londoner, in which case you can find all you need or want in Hampstead/Primrose Hill, or a West Londoner, in which case it's Notting Hill, etc, always bearing in mind the dictum "Heaven is SW7".0 -
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho0 -
See @Gallowgate 's response. It wasn't so much incorrect, it was just immensely ignorant, because it was drawing false comparisons.NerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.0 -
The actual problem is that talking to the police is seen as "snitching", and also the element of personal danger involved.Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
The people who turned up at the party and started shooting almost certainly are part of a larger group....
Giving evidence against people who are willing to commit murder in broad daylight, in front of witnesses, when they (the muderers) certainly have friends of the same... viewpoint who are not under arrest......0 -
It isn't.Scott_xP said:
Also notable that the EU is now delivering more vaccines per head than the UK (after a terrible start). https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/06/how-china-s-covid-19-vaccine-programme-has-rapidly-accelerated https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1401863673421910016/photo/1Anabobazina said:No dressing it up I'm afraid.
Francis is quite right.
Sub 100k first doses in England is pisspoor, whatever day of the week it is.
Remember we are supposed to be surging?
In truth, the much-vaunted vaccine surge simply hasn't materialised.
It's running at very nearly the same level, and an average of 27 countries will always be smoother. Which is actually what you would expect from peer countries after 2-3 months working out the bugs.
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You're just gutted because you've painted your living room Hague Blue and have realised that Leon and half of Britain have done the same thing.Dura_Ace said:This fucking paint discussion.
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Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.3 -
English is very poorly suited to machine translation because we have so many phrasal verbs with vernacular usage.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is possible there may still be hundreds of languages and you will not need to learn a different one because there will be auto-translate apps that are so good you just need to think of what you need to say and your phone will say it in Mandarin or Swahili or whatever, and you will hear it back in your own language, like the Babel fish in Hitchhiker's Guide...It is already happeningSandpit said:
It’s been said that in the next few decades there will only be two languages spoken in the world - English and Chinese. I think Spanish deserves an honourable mention though, and Russian will be not far behind it.williamglenn said:
Macron went around Africa telling them that if they had more belief, French could become the global language.Leon said:
There’s a hidden hypocrisy in France’s forlorn and doomed attempt to regain linguistic supremacy. They say they are fighting English ‘for the sake of all the other languages’, ‘to preserve multilingualism, the linguistic diversity of the world’, yada yada. But when other countries with other languages say, in response, ‘great, can we have more official languages in the EU, not just English French and German’, or ‘how about having several working languages in the ECJ, not just French’, the French respond with horror. ‘No, French is a truly great language’, it’s unique status must be preserved’.MattW said:This will be fun:
Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.
The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.
And then there are the meetings.
During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/
This has actually happened. eg Italy made these points, and then expressed deep irritation at the French
Take in, take out, take up, take down, etc.
Russian works well. Blyat'.0 -
The hospitals data is distinct from the PHE data. It was PHE that reported no deaths last week.Stocky said:
I thought there was a zero day last week?NerysHughes said:For the first time since Covid began there were zero deaths recorded in English Hospitals yesterday from Covid.
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NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/14019021494125690880 -
Stories of strawberry shortages incoming...
Stay-at-home holidaymakers warned of summer products shortage
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-573798100 -
Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference. There are a lot of "black on black" killings because black communities are often poor and criminality springs from poverty whether black or white. The concern is as to whether US police officers kill black people disproportionately because they are racist. These are two fundamentally different issues. To conflate them is tantamount to saying "oh no bother, "they" kill each other anyway"MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.1 -
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?1 -
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/14019021494125690882 -
Twatface Durden will be on the case to get him reinstated.Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/14019021494125690880 -
Notable thread on THAT Lancet letter
"The Lancet letter of Feb 18, 2020, sent a message to scientists the world over: Investigate a lab leak, and you will be tarred as conspiracy theorist. Was it a honest outpouring of support? Or astroturfing? To start, of the 27 signatories, 7 were affiliated with EcoHealth... "
".. Alliance: Peter Daszak (President), Rita Colwell & James Hughes (BoD members), William Karesh (EVP for Health and Policy), Hume Field, Juan Lubroth, John Mackenzie (Science and Policy Advisors). The fact that a quarter of the signatories were affiliated with EHA was hidden."
https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1401813071635501056?s=20
Only 8 of the signers were truly independent. Of those 8, 6 have now modified their views, or entirely recanted: now believing it DID come from the lab
Given that this duplicitous letter is what silenced everyone on the lab leak hypothesis FOR A YEAR, that is quite something0 -
Could he open the bowling for England instead?Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/14019021494125690880 -
I've lived in both South and North London, and my general impression is that the pace of life in the Sarf is slightly slower, for some reason. Even Brixton seems to operate a slightly slower pace than somewhere like Camden, I think. It must be to do with city-centre connectedness, I suppose.OnlyLivingBoy said:
South London is where it is at my friend.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*0 -
Decided to look it up. Looks fucking horrible. Looks like the colour German soldiery used to have their tunics. Perhaps "paint your kitchen in F&B Field Grey" doesn't sound so appealing.OnlyLivingBoy said:
You're just gutted because you've painted your living room Hague Blue and have realised that Leon and half of Britain have done the same thing.Dura_Ace said:This fucking paint discussion.
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No need. We'll all be speaking French by thenNigel_Foremain said:
It is possible there may still be hundreds of languages and you will not need to learn a different one because there will be auto-translate apps that are so good you just need to think of what you need to say and your phone will say it in Mandarin or Swahili or whatever, and you will hear it back in your own language, like the Babel fish in Hitchhiker's Guide...It is already happeningSandpit said:
It’s been said that in the next few decades there will only be two languages spoken in the world - English and Chinese. I think Spanish deserves an honourable mention though, and Russian will be not far behind it.williamglenn said:
Macron went around Africa telling them that if they had more belief, French could become the global language.Leon said:
There’s a hidden hypocrisy in France’s forlorn and doomed attempt to regain linguistic supremacy. They say they are fighting English ‘for the sake of all the other languages’, ‘to preserve multilingualism, the linguistic diversity of the world’, yada yada. But when other countries with other languages say, in response, ‘great, can we have more official languages in the EU, not just English French and German’, or ‘how about having several working languages in the ECJ, not just French’, the French respond with horror. ‘No, French is a truly great language’, it’s unique status must be preserved’.MattW said:This will be fun:
Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.
The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.
And then there are the meetings.
During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/
This has actually happened. eg Italy made these points, and then expressed deep irritation at the French
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Though to be fair to Brussels, they brought in English in alongside French as a language for Top People a lot quicker than we did.0 -
Firstly, I was talking about the UK, not the US. Tbh, I don't give many fucks about what happens in the US. We've got enough of our own issues, no need to import their ones too.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference. There are a lot of "black on black" killings because black communities are often poor and criminality springs from poverty whether black or white. The concern is as to whether US police officers kill black people disproportionately because they are racist. These are two fundamentally different issues. To conflate them is tantamount to saying "oh no bother, "they" kill each other anyway"MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.1 -
Andrew Mitchell just had quite a long word with Sir Lindsay Hoyle at the Speaker's chair.
Now David Davis has been talking to Speaker Hoyle.
Mitchell has now brought in a hand-written sheet and handed it to the clerks. Manuscript amendment?
https://twitter.com/thequentinletts/status/14019071558260531250 -
We will all learn to speak "machine English"Dura_Ace said:
English is very poorly suited to machine translation because we have so many phrasal verbs with vernacular usage.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is possible there may still be hundreds of languages and you will not need to learn a different one because there will be auto-translate apps that are so good you just need to think of what you need to say and your phone will say it in Mandarin or Swahili or whatever, and you will hear it back in your own language, like the Babel fish in Hitchhiker's Guide...It is already happeningSandpit said:
It’s been said that in the next few decades there will only be two languages spoken in the world - English and Chinese. I think Spanish deserves an honourable mention though, and Russian will be not far behind it.williamglenn said:
Macron went around Africa telling them that if they had more belief, French could become the global language.Leon said:
There’s a hidden hypocrisy in France’s forlorn and doomed attempt to regain linguistic supremacy. They say they are fighting English ‘for the sake of all the other languages’, ‘to preserve multilingualism, the linguistic diversity of the world’, yada yada. But when other countries with other languages say, in response, ‘great, can we have more official languages in the EU, not just English French and German’, or ‘how about having several working languages in the ECJ, not just French’, the French respond with horror. ‘No, French is a truly great language’, it’s unique status must be preserved’.MattW said:This will be fun:
Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.
The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.
And then there are the meetings.
During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/
This has actually happened. eg Italy made these points, and then expressed deep irritation at the French
Take in, take out, take up, take down, etc.
Russian works well. Blyat'.0 -
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
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https://www.farrow-ball.com/paint-colours/hague-blueNigel_Foremain said:
Decided to look it up. Looks fucking horrible. Looks like the colour German soldiery used to have their tunics. Perhaps "paint your kitchen in F&B Field Grey" doesn't sound so appealing.OnlyLivingBoy said:
You're just gutted because you've painted your living room Hague Blue and have realised that Leon and half of Britain have done the same thing.Dura_Ace said:This fucking paint discussion.
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Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.4 -
As I am not black or from an inner city I am probably not well placed to have a strong opinion, but I think you will find though that organised crime is not something that is exclusively black.MaxPB said:
Firstly, I was talking about the UK, not the US. Tbh, I don't give many fucks about what happens in the US. We've got enough of our own issues, no need to import their ones too.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference. There are a lot of "black on black" killings because black communities are often poor and criminality springs from poverty whether black or white. The concern is as to whether US police officers kill black people disproportionately because they are racist. These are two fundamentally different issues. To conflate them is tantamount to saying "oh no bother, "they" kill each other anyway"MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.1 -
As someone from East East East London, well borders of Essex and London… I think you all beat me in London area Top Trumps. It’s a khaziOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho0 -
"SW Heaven", indeedTOPPING said:
Notting Hill is right next to Kensington Gardens, Hyde Park, and Holland Park how much green do you want short of Hampstead Heath? And meanwhile it's a lovely walk along High St Ken to the West End.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho
I think it depends if you are a North Londoner, in which case you can find all you need or want in Hampstead/Primrose Hill, or a West Londoner, in which case it's Notting Hill, etc, always bearing in mind the dictum "Heaven is SW7".
I never said Notting Hill lacked greenery (tho it does get a bit bleak and urban the further from Portobello road you go), more that it is really far from Soho, Covent Garden, Mayfair, Bloomsbury, Marylebone, CAMDEN, and even further from the City: the really fun, interesting bits of London
Of course I understand the law that cities in the northern hemisphere usually get more fashionable the further west you go: because they are upwind of other people's pollution, in prevailing westerly winds
But that doesn't matter any more, the Smog has gone.
I wonder if Notting Hill just gentrified early: the 60s, so it had a head start, creating a critical mass of trendy, affluent people. But I am still mystified by friend who pay vast sums of cash for houses in Ladbroke Grove. No doubt they say the same about people in NW1.
But I can walk to Portland Place in half an hour, through Regent's Park, and very lovely it is1 -
Or almost killing innocent bystanders in this case. It’s a tragedy, but imagine the factor of increased publicity if the South London gang who shot her had been ‘Acourt Brothers White’ (to continue the Farrow & Ball theme)MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.0 -
Still looks like Feldgrau to me. Possibly more "Anthrazitgrau" though looking at it againCarlottaVance said:
https://www.farrow-ball.com/paint-colours/hague-blueNigel_Foremain said:
Decided to look it up. Looks fucking horrible. Looks like the colour German soldiery used to have their tunics. Perhaps "paint your kitchen in F&B Field Grey" doesn't sound so appealing.OnlyLivingBoy said:
You're just gutted because you've painted your living room Hague Blue and have realised that Leon and half of Britain have done the same thing.Dura_Ace said:This fucking paint discussion.
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Because it has the best restaurants, bars, clubs, theatres, galleries, and shopsOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho
Getting completely rat-faced in a Soho bar, and then walking home through silent Fitzrovia, and the Outer Circle, by the moonlit spleandours of Cumberland Terrace - a sylvan English St Petersburg - is one of the great pleasures in all of urban life0 -
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.1 -
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
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Here in Epping we have access to the biggest forest in London, though yes sterotypically North London is for the intellectuals, West London for the rich and South and East London were for the working class, the poor and immigrantsisam said:
As someone from East East East London, well borders of Essex and London… I think you all beat me in London area Top Trumps. It’s a khaziOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
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I'm Asian and grew up on an inner city council estate. While there are some non-black elements to gang violence such as Eastern Europeans, gypsies/travellers and a few Turkish and Asian ones, in London the vast majority of gangs are black. The vast majority of victims of their violence are black and the vast majority of the victims of their criminal grooming are young black teenagers.Nigel_Foremain said:
As I am not black or from an inner city I am probably not well placed to have a strong opinion, but I think you will find though that organised crime is not something that is exclusively black.MaxPB said:
Firstly, I was talking about the UK, not the US. Tbh, I don't give many fucks about what happens in the US. We've got enough of our own issues, no need to import their ones too.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference. There are a lot of "black on black" killings because black communities are often poor and criminality springs from poverty whether black or white. The concern is as to whether US police officers kill black people disproportionately because they are racist. These are two fundamentally different issues. To conflate them is tantamount to saying "oh no bother, "they" kill each other anyway"MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
As I said just now, I'm not sure what the solution is here. I'd suggest we could start by actually talking about the problem rather than just ignoring it or blaming white people as BLM do.2 -
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.0 -
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Very true. The latest Google Translate can pretty much hold a basic conversation with my Russian-speaking father in law. My wife is still a much better translator though.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is possible there may still be hundreds of languages and you will not need to learn a different one because there will be auto-translate apps that are so good you just need to think of what you need to say and your phone will say it in Mandarin or Swahili or whatever, and you will hear it back in your own language, like the Babel fish in Hitchhiker's Guide...It is already happeningSandpit said:
It’s been said that in the next few decades there will only be two languages spoken in the world - English and Chinese. I think Spanish deserves an honourable mention though, and Russian will be not far behind it.williamglenn said:
Macron went around Africa telling them that if they had more belief, French could become the global language.Leon said:
There’s a hidden hypocrisy in France’s forlorn and doomed attempt to regain linguistic supremacy. They say they are fighting English ‘for the sake of all the other languages’, ‘to preserve multilingualism, the linguistic diversity of the world’, yada yada. But when other countries with other languages say, in response, ‘great, can we have more official languages in the EU, not just English French and German’, or ‘how about having several working languages in the ECJ, not just French’, the French respond with horror. ‘No, French is a truly great language’, it’s unique status must be preserved’.MattW said:This will be fun:
Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.
The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.
And then there are the meetings.
During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/
This has actually happened. eg Italy made these points, and then expressed deep irritation at the French1 -
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.1 -
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The Green Party is doing OK, but it needs opposingSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election."
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and
but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
I might start The Hague Blue Party, dedicated to raising global temperatures by making bedrooms sexier1 -
I bet Bercow would have accepted it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Mitchells clause not accepted by Speaker
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Speaker says expects Govt to allow debate on 0.7% GNI - now accepting Point of Order from Andrew Mitchell.0
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I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told1 -
I think (although IANAE) that I = Intersex; Q = Questioning; A = AsexualSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.0 -
You're behind the times. The acronym du jour isSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
LBGTQIAPK
I kid thee not
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/lgbtqiapk-addiction
I've been told you can use it in everyday conversation. It is pronounced
"Leberrgurteeeqooeeeaaaperkuh!"
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This reminds me slightly of a shaft of a 1980's cocaine-and-decadence version of Raskolnikov's nighttime trips, or a touch of The Great Gatsby.Leon said:
Because it has the best restaurants, bars, clubs, theatres, galleries, and shopsOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho
Getting completely rat-faced in a Soho bar, and then walking home through silent Fitzrovia, and the Outer Circle, by the moonlit spleandours of Cumberland Terrace - a sylvan English St Petersburg - is one of the great pleasures in all of urban life
You may also enjoy Walter Benjamin's The Arcades Project, which is one of the most interesting pieces of city literature ever written.0 -
Problem is that the case numbers are being driven by school children who aren’t being jabbed.tlg86 said:On vaccine numbers, it's interesting that the media don't seem to be talking about them whatsoever. When they talk about data not dates, they're obsessed with the virus case numbers, when actually they should be just as interested in how many jabs have been administered.
If the government decide to delay the next stage on the basis that the number of jabs isn't what they want it to be, then I'd be fine with that. If they said once we hit x number of 1st/2nd doses (maybe plus three weeks or whatever), then we can open everything up, then that would seem sensible.0 -
Don't forget the old kinksters....Leon said:
You're behind the times. The acronym du jour isSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
LBGTQIAPK
I kid thee not
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/lgbtqiapk-addiction
I've been told you can use it in everyday conversation. It is pronounced
"Leberrgurteeeqooeeeaaaperkuh!"
So it's quite easy to just slip it in
NOFX - F##k Euphemism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-UYA_GDWU0 -
Rugby man. Sorry.tlg86 said:
Could he open the bowling for England instead?Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
Bradford Bulls, no less.0 -
Phwoarrr! Or a bit of a ten Pinter?Leon said:
The Green Party is doing OK, but it needs opposingSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election."
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
I might start The Hague Blue Party, dedicated to raising global temperatures by making bedrooms sexier
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Speaker says will accept motion for Emergency Debate tomorrow.
Such a refreshing change from Bercow - sticking to the rules & precedent, but finding a way to let the house to have its say.0 -
Lindsay Hoyle, Commons Speaker, says Commons should be given an opportunity for a decisive vote on maintaining the 0.7% target
He says that the House should be allowed to formally take an effective decision
He says he will consider SO24 applications enabling an emergency debate
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/14019123018804961300 -
The US also has a problem with black on Asian racism, but it’s very seldom mentioned by those who loudly decry racism when it’s white on black.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/01/the-media-blame-attacks-asian-americans-white-supremacy/0 -
Plenty of football fans support the taking of the knee or are indifferent to it. I am in the latter group.isam said:
I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told
If you interpret it as "being told" then that says something about you. Just because someone does X, that doesn't mean they're saying you should do X too. They are merely asking you to respect their right to do X.0 -
Ambiguous? My wife went on some sexual preference sensitivity training (perhaps more appropriate for her than most, as she does work in operating rooms), but was baffled how there could be 17 different sexes. Personally, I am fine with anyone choosing whatever sexual term to describe themselves they want, but I really can't be arsed to learn all but the most common.Selebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.1 -
From the days when William Hague was considered on the right of the partyisam said:
Phwoarrr! Or a bit of a ten Pinter?Leon said:
The Green Party is doing OK, but it needs opposingSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election."
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
I might start The Hague Blue Party, dedicated to raising global temperatures by making bedrooms sexier1 -
Q = Queer.Lennon said:
I think (although IANAE) that I = Intersex; Q = Questioning; A = AsexualSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
Unless the kaleidoscope has moved again.0 -
After a poor showing in the polls, its embattled leader addresses the nation: "This stone-cold sex toy maker is here to stay - and he's turning up the temperature! [leer to camera]"Leon said:
The Green Party is doing OK, but it needs opposingSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election."
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
I might start The Hague Blue Party, dedicated to raising global temperatures by making bedrooms sexier0 -
They put the "kuh" in Leberrgurteeeqooeeeaaaperkuh!FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't forget the old kinksters....Leon said:
You're behind the times. The acronym du jour isSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
LBGTQIAPK
I kid thee not
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/lgbtqiapk-addiction
I've been told you can use it in everyday conversation. It is pronounced
"Leberrgurteeeqooeeeaaaperkuh!"
So it's quite easy to just slip it in
NOFX - F##k Euphemism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-UYA_GDWU0 -
England 25-29 to be invited for jab from tomorrow. Hancock HoC0
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A is for asexual.Selebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.1 -
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?0 -
I've never been quite sure, is 'Babel' pronounced to rhyme with 'label', or is it rhyming with 'babble' as a nod to the crap everyone speaks much of the time (me very much included)? I suppose the latter very much fits the tone of Adams' writing, but in my head I always pronounce it rhyming with label.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is possible there may still be hundreds of languages and you will not need to learn a different one because there will be auto-translate apps that are so good you just need to think of what you need to say and your phone will say it in Mandarin or Swahili or whatever, and you will hear it back in your own language, like the Babel fish in Hitchhiker's Guide...It is already happeningSandpit said:
It’s been said that in the next few decades there will only be two languages spoken in the world - English and Chinese. I think Spanish deserves an honourable mention though, and Russian will be not far behind it.williamglenn said:
Macron went around Africa telling them that if they had more belief, French could become the global language.Leon said:
There’s a hidden hypocrisy in France’s forlorn and doomed attempt to regain linguistic supremacy. They say they are fighting English ‘for the sake of all the other languages’, ‘to preserve multilingualism, the linguistic diversity of the world’, yada yada. But when other countries with other languages say, in response, ‘great, can we have more official languages in the EU, not just English French and German’, or ‘how about having several working languages in the ECJ, not just French’, the French respond with horror. ‘No, French is a truly great language’, it’s unique status must be preserved’.MattW said:This will be fun:
Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.
The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.
And then there are the meetings.
During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/
This has actually happened. eg Italy made these points, and then expressed deep irritation at the French1 -
How does taking a knee solve the problems of policing in the USA?Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.1 -
Yeah Epping’s alright, I guess I don’t see it as East London really, more Essex, rightly or wronglyHYUFD said:
Here in Epping we have access to the biggest forest in London, though yes sterotypically North London is for the intellectuals, West London for the rich and South and East London were for the working class, the poor and immigrantsisam said:
As someone from East East East London, well borders of Essex and London… I think you all beat me in London area Top Trumps. It’s a khaziOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho1 -
14 pints, I thinkisam said:
Phwoarrr! Or a bit of a ten Pinter?Leon said:
The Green Party is doing OK, but it needs opposingSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election."
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
I might start The Hague Blue Party, dedicated to raising global temperatures by making bedrooms sexier
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Mitchell claimed that if Clause had been debated it would have had a majority of "at least 9"0
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He cannot possibly know thatCarlottaVance said:Mitchell claimed that if Clause had been debated it would have had a majority of "at least 9"
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The chappy that read it on the audio version I listened to pronounced it as in rhyming with label, but then I had just swallowed one and he was actually speaking in Mongolian, or perhaps Zog, I can't recall.northern_monkey said:
I've never been quite sure, is 'Babel' pronounced to rhyme with 'label', or is it rhyming with 'babble' as a nod to the crap everyone speaks much of the time (me very much included)? I suppose the latter very much fits the tone of Adams' writing, but in my head I always pronounce it rhyming with label.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is possible there may still be hundreds of languages and you will not need to learn a different one because there will be auto-translate apps that are so good you just need to think of what you need to say and your phone will say it in Mandarin or Swahili or whatever, and you will hear it back in your own language, like the Babel fish in Hitchhiker's Guide...It is already happeningSandpit said:
It’s been said that in the next few decades there will only be two languages spoken in the world - English and Chinese. I think Spanish deserves an honourable mention though, and Russian will be not far behind it.williamglenn said:
Macron went around Africa telling them that if they had more belief, French could become the global language.Leon said:
There’s a hidden hypocrisy in France’s forlorn and doomed attempt to regain linguistic supremacy. They say they are fighting English ‘for the sake of all the other languages’, ‘to preserve multilingualism, the linguistic diversity of the world’, yada yada. But when other countries with other languages say, in response, ‘great, can we have more official languages in the EU, not just English French and German’, or ‘how about having several working languages in the ECJ, not just French’, the French respond with horror. ‘No, French is a truly great language’, it’s unique status must be preserved’.MattW said:This will be fun:
Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.
The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.
And then there are the meetings.
During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.
https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/
This has actually happened. eg Italy made these points, and then expressed deep irritation at the French1 -
I meant smashing up statues and rioting more than taking the knee. But as you frame it that way, why can’t they respect the crowds right to boo? They pay their very nice wagesGallowgate said:
Plenty of football fans support the taking of the knee or are indifferent to it. I am in the latter group.isam said:
I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told
If you interpret it as "being told" then that says something about you. Just because someone does X, that doesn't mean they're saying you should do X too. They are merely asking you to respect their right to do X.
Haha what does it say about me?!?! 🤣1 -
Marcus Rashford, for example, literally led a campaign to feed hungry British children in addition to the BLM protest and he was criticised for that by the same people who hate BLM.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?
If footballers want to take the knee, who cares? Our culture is interlinked with the US and has been for a long time. Nobody is saying you have to partake.
If you think they should focus on other issues too, I would agree with you. But in terms of being role models, being against cops killing black people in the USA is pretty inoffensive.0 -
It doesn't. Nobody says it does. That isn't a reason to froth with rage.Andy_JS said:
How does taking a knee solve the problems of policing in the USA?Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.0 -
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464 - presented at Emergency Care
126 - hospitalised, of these:
- 83 - unvaccinated
- 28 - 1 dose
- 3 - 2 doses
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Some people in the crowds are free to boo if they like and we are free to call them the dickheads that they are.isam said:
I meant smashing up statues and rioting more than taking the knee. But as you frame it that way, why can’t they respect the crowds right to boo? They pay their very nice wagesGallowgate said:
Plenty of football fans support the taking of the knee or are indifferent to it. I am in the latter group.isam said:
I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told
If you interpret it as "being told" then that says something about you. Just because someone does X, that doesn't mean they're saying you should do X too. They are merely asking you to respect their right to do X.0 -
The teaching of the alphabet has changed a little since I was at school!dixiedean said:
A is for asexual.Selebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election." (emphasis mine)
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and B...) but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
Seriously, thanks - that makes sense. The others it seems I had guessed more or less correctly.1 -
Blimey, how difficult is this? Black men don't kill black men BECAUSE they are black.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?0 -
So presumably try the website NOW if you are in this age range (unlikely on here, I know!)CarlottaVance said:England 25-29 to be invited for jab from tomorrow. Hancock HoC
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Huge protection against hospitalisation from 2 doses.CarlottaVance said:Hancock -
12,383 Delta variant identified:
464 - presented at Emergency Care
126 - hospitalised, of these:
- 83 - unvaccinated
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If your idea of heaven is full of absurdly over-priced shoe-box apartments, terrible traffic, French people and pretentious shops, then I agree you'll find it in South Kensington.TOPPING said:
Notting Hill is right next to Kensington Gardens, Hyde Park, and Holland Park how much green do you want short of Hampstead Heath? And meanwhile it's a lovely walk along High St Ken to the West End.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho
I think it depends if you are a North Londoner, in which case you can find all you need or want in Hampstead/Primrose Hill, or a West Londoner, in which case it's Notting Hill, etc, always bearing in mind the dictum "Heaven is SW7".
My cousin used to live there, but finds W8 just as expensive but much more congenial.0 -
Yes, well they do and you have. So what’s the problem?Gallowgate said:
Some people in the crowds are free to boo if they like and we are free to call them the dickheads that they are.isam said:
I meant smashing up statues and rioting more than taking the knee. But as you frame it that way, why can’t they respect the crowds right to boo? They pay their very nice wagesGallowgate said:
Plenty of football fans support the taking of the knee or are indifferent to it. I am in the latter group.isam said:
I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told
If you interpret it as "being told" then that says something about you. Just because someone does X, that doesn't mean they're saying you should do X too. They are merely asking you to respect their right to do X.1 -
I just don't think they actually care. Have any of them raised the issue? Have they talked about it in interviews? I haven't seen anything other than blaming gang violence on white people and intersectionality or some other bullshit idea.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I think you'll find that plenty of people think taking the knee is more than an empty gesture when it is in fact the emptiest of empty gestures. Especially in the UK.
Non-white people in the UK face a completely different type of adversity than black people in the US. The whole idea of BLM is just ridiculous in a UK context. Police in the UK aren't going around gunning down black men and women.
We need to talk about serious issues like the glass ceiling in the public sector for Black and Asian people, about discrimination in the job application process, about ensuring that black kids aren't being groomed by gangs to carry out acts of violence and other criminal behaviour.
The knee is a completely shallow and empty gesture that turns a real and complicated problem for black and other non-white people into something that can now be ignored as woke bullshit because they keep banging on about something that simply isn't an issue in this country - police killing black people - and they won't admit that it's not an issue.4 -
Top end of that bracket here and it's not working for me just yet!turbotubbs said:
So presumably try the website NOW if you are in this age range (unlikely on here, I know!)CarlottaVance said:England 25-29 to be invited for jab from tomorrow. Hancock HoC
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You're the ones who think there's a problem.isam said:
Yes, well they do and you have. So what’s the problem?Gallowgate said:
Some people in the crowds are free to boo if they like and we are free to call them the dickheads that they are.isam said:
I meant smashing up statues and rioting more than taking the knee. But as you frame it that way, why can’t they respect the crowds right to boo? They pay their very nice wagesGallowgate said:
Plenty of football fans support the taking of the knee or are indifferent to it. I am in the latter group.isam said:
I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told
If you interpret it as "being told" then that says something about you. Just because someone does X, that doesn't mean they're saying you should do X too. They are merely asking you to respect their right to do X.0 -
And the Tories only had 166 MPs, 36 fewer even than Labour have now.Nigel_Foremain said:
From the days when William Hague was considered on the right of the partyisam said:
Phwoarrr! Or a bit of a ten Pinter?Leon said:
The Green Party is doing OK, but it needs opposingSelebian said:
From the NE article, quoting Green Party:FrancisUrquhart said:
Tweets from 10 years ago...again...Scott_xP said:NEW:
The Green Party is not fielding a candidate in the Batley & Spen By-election, after their selected candidate was dropped for offensive tweets.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1401902149412569088
"But, as a party that champions the rights of LGBTIQA+ people and their support communities, we do not feel it is right for Ross to be the party’s candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election."
I'm all for inclusivity. I'm may be woke, for $deity's sake, even though I dislike the term and some of its better known practitioners. I know L, G, B and T. I can guess I (intersex?), Q (Queer? - although I'm hazy on what that means as opposed to L, G and but I'm lost by A. Isn't all that covered in the + anyway? When it gets more confusing than Microsoft's product naming I think we need to stop and take a look at our acronyms for LGBT+.
Maybe that sentence could work just as well by replacing the alphabet soup with 'all'? I'm not L, G, B, T, I or Q. Maybe I'm A, depending what that means. But if the guy is a homophobe* then I don't want him as green candidate either.
*Yep, tweets from 10 years ago, so I'm not making a judgement on that point - I haven't even seen the 10 year old tweets.
I might start The Hague Blue Party, dedicated to raising global temperatures by making bedrooms sexier
One reason why Tories should not be complacent, the pendulum can turn0 -
"black lives matter" is literally apolitical by definition.MaxPB said:
I just don't think they actually care. Have any of them raised the issue? Have they talked about it in interviews? I haven't seen anything other than blaming gang violence on white people and intersectionality or some other bullshit idea.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I think you'll find that plenty of people think taking the knee is more than an empty gesture when it is in fact the emptiest of empty gestures. Especially in the UK.
Non-white people in the UK face a completely different type of adversity than black people in the US. The whole idea of BLM is just ridiculous in a UK context. Police in the UK aren't going around gunning down black men and women.
We need to talk about serious issues like the glass ceiling in the public sector for Black and Asian people, about discrimination in the job application process, about ensuring that black kids aren't being groomed by gangs to carry out acts of violence and other criminal behaviour.
The knee is a completely shallow and empty gesture that turns a real and complicated problem for black and other non-white people into something that can now be ignored as woke bullshit because they keep banging on about something that simply isn't an issue in this country - police killing black people - and they won't admit that it's not an issue.
Empty gesture or not, it's still entirely appropriate in a UK context, even if it's not particularly effective at solving anything.0 -
Keep the faith and try a bit later (maybe this evening?). And #jealous of your problem!RH1992 said:
Top end of that bracket here and it's not working for me just yet!turbotubbs said:
So presumably try the website NOW if you are in this age range (unlikely on here, I know!)CarlottaVance said:England 25-29 to be invited for jab from tomorrow. Hancock HoC
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How’s that?Gallowgate said:
You're the ones who think there's a problem.isam said:
Yes, well they do and you have. So what’s the problem?Gallowgate said:
Some people in the crowds are free to boo if they like and we are free to call them the dickheads that they are.isam said:
I meant smashing up statues and rioting more than taking the knee. But as you frame it that way, why can’t they respect the crowds right to boo? They pay their very nice wagesGallowgate said:
Plenty of football fans support the taking of the knee or are indifferent to it. I am in the latter group.isam said:
I think taking the knee is most interesting because it shows the gap between corporate/global/twitter football product, and the fans. Perfectly illustrated because no fans were there for a season, an ideal experiment.Gallowgate said:
Why wouldn't they be supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence? Seems like wishful thinking to me to justify irrational hatred of those who do engage in the black lives matter movement.MaxPB said:
Do you think so? I don't. I think most people taking the knee just don't want to be seen as racist. I doubt many of them actually care otherwise they'd be using their considerable fame to raise these issues. Instead they do the gesture, hope to go unnoticed and condemn some idiots booing them. There are a few notable exceptions of course.Gallowgate said:
I'm sure those who take the knee etc are very much supportive of charities and movements addressing black on black violence.MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
However if you want to push this ridiculous point, I don't exactly see the "taking the knee doesn't do anything to address racial injustice crowd" doing much to address black on black violence themselves.
They must be total hypocrites too, right?
Anyway, you brought taking the knee into this, I didn't. I've made it clear time and again my issue with the whole bullshit about taking the knee is it lets everyone off the hook. They take the knee do the gesture and nothing changes but because they took the knee they're off the hook.
I don't know what the answers are to gang violence, but it doesn't start with taking the knee and it certainly doesn't end there as most people would like to pretend.
Nobody is saying 'taking the knee' is going to change anything but that isn't a reason to dislike it. The call should be "black lives do matter, so what are you going to do about it", rather than "boo you woke liberal bastards". The former is constructive, the latter is laughable.
I'm not saying you're the latter, but plenty of people are.
I reckon it has made a point though, people will be more aware. Before BLM got big, Michael Portillo did a series on the Empire, that was quite critical of Britain, and it made me much more sympathetic to the people we colonised, not that I was unsympathetic before. BLM did make me think ‘oh fuck off’’ though, I suppose it’s the difference between being shown and being told
If you interpret it as "being told" then that says something about you. Just because someone does X, that doesn't mean they're saying you should do X too. They are merely asking you to respect their right to do X.0 -
The trouble is that "taking the knee" has got to a point where it REALLY antagonises fans. And I don't think the objections are "from racists", it's because fans see sport as a politics-free holiday away from everyday life. Especially football.Gallowgate said:
Marcus Rashford, for example, literally led a campaign to feed hungry British children in addition to the BLM protest and he was criticised for that by the same people who hate BLM.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?
If footballers want to take the knee, who cares? Our culture is interlinked with the US and has been for a long time. Nobody is saying you have to partake.
If you think they should focus on other issues too, I would agree with you. But in terms of being role models, being against cops killing black people in the USA is pretty inoffensive.
They come to football to escape the sad, fractured, humdrum world, to flee the austerities and violence of reality, to be part of a happy tribe, to see some people do something pointless - but brilliantly. To savour the highs and lows of combat, but in a safe allegorical way.
And now, when they go to a football match, they get multi-millionaires lecturing them about their racism, in a symbolic gesture that holds up the match. No wonder they boo
It was fine for a few weeks last summer, emotions were high. They really should stop doing it now. It is going to blight the euro championship, a virtue signalling equivalent of the vuvuzelas in the Saffer World Cup4 -
No, it antagonises some very sensitive snowflakes. The rest of us either simply do something else whilst they do it, or actively clap.Leon said:
The trouble is that "taking the knee" has got to a point where it REALLY antagonising fans. And I don't think the objections are "from racists", it's because fans see sport as a politics-free holiday away from everyday life. Especially football.Gallowgate said:
Marcus Rashford, for example, literally led a campaign to feed hungry British children in addition to the BLM protest and he was criticised for that by the same people who hate BLM.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?
If footballers want to take the knee, who cares? Our culture is interlinked with the US and has been for a long time. Nobody is saying you have to partake.
If you think they should focus on other issues too, I would agree with you. But in terms of being role models, being against cops killing black people in the USA is pretty inoffensive.
They come to football to escape the sad, fractured, humdrum world, to flee the austerities and violence of reality, to be part of a happy tribe, to see some people do something pointless - but brilliantly. To savour the highs and lows of combat, but in a safe allegorical way.
And now, when they go to a football match, they get multi-millionaires lecturing them about their racism, in a symbolic gesture that holds up the match. No wonder they boo
It was fine for a few weeks last summer, emotions were high. They really should stop doing it now. It is going to blight the euro championship, a virtue signalling equivalent of the vuvuzelas in the Saffer World Cup
Like I said, football fans are free to boo, and we're free to call them the dickheads that they are.0 -
Many people don't like taking the knee as they see it as sanctimonious, self-indulgent and the thin end of a wedge that ends with CRT, as you suggest.MaxPB said:
I'm Asian and grew up on an inner city council estate. While there are some non-black elements to gang violence such as Eastern Europeans, gypsies/travellers and a few Turkish and Asian ones, in London the vast majority of gangs are black. The vast majority of victims of their violence are black and the vast majority of the victims of their criminal grooming are young black teenagers.Nigel_Foremain said:
As I am not black or from an inner city I am probably not well placed to have a strong opinion, but I think you will find though that organised crime is not something that is exclusively black.MaxPB said:
Firstly, I was talking about the UK, not the US. Tbh, I don't give many fucks about what happens in the US. We've got enough of our own issues, no need to import their ones too.Nigel_Foremain said:
Sorry, but there is a fundamental difference. There are a lot of "black on black" killings because black communities are often poor and criminality springs from poverty whether black or white. The concern is as to whether US police officers kill black people disproportionately because they are racist. These are two fundamentally different issues. To conflate them is tantamount to saying "oh no bother, "they" kill each other anyway"MaxPB said:
Hmm, there's always a deafening silence when one young black man kills another one over gang related issues. It's almost like this is an acceptable crime, which it isn't. There's a hypocrisy within BLM and plenty of other virtue signalling organisations that will shout from the rooftops about perceived racial injustice but do an Arsene Wenger when it comes to black men killing each other in gang related disputes.Gallowgate said:
Literally the whole thingNerysHughes said:
Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?Nigel_Foremain said:
OK boomerNerysHughes said:
Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.MarqueeMark said:
Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....FrancisUrquhart said:None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20
Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.
Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
As I said just now, I'm not sure what the solution is here. I'd suggest we could start by actually talking about the problem rather than just ignoring it or blaming white people as BLM do.
It's astonishing we're still debating it after over a year, but we are.1 -
Epping Forest again stereotypically is where East Londoners move to if they have made some money but yes it is more Essex than Londonisam said:
Yeah Epping’s alright, I guess I don’t see it as East London really, more Essex, rightly or wronglyHYUFD said:
Here in Epping we have access to the biggest forest in London, though yes sterotypically North London is for the intellectuals, West London for the rich and South and East London were for the working class, the poor and immigrantsisam said:
As someone from East East East London, well borders of Essex and London… I think you all beat me in London area Top Trumps. It’s a khaziOnlyLivingBoy said:
Why would you want to walk to the West End? For greenery, South of the river is best.Leon said:
To be semi serious, for me the definition of the right location in London (setting class aside) is that you must be a few minutes from serious greenery, and you must be able to walk to the West EndTOPPING said:
Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.Leon said:
Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!TOPPING said:
If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.Leon said:
You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the parkTOPPING said:
No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.Leon said:
I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.TOPPING said:
Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.Leon said:
So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverseOnlyLivingBoy said:
Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).Leon said:
As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?Leon said:
Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respectsOnlyLivingBoy said:
I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.
The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline
Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed
This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.
What colour are you painting your room?
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?
Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red
I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat
I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais
Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.
UGH
I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice
Still. South of the river. *Shudders*
When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".
I’ve never understood the popularity of Notting Hill, for that reason alone. Way too far out, practically Shepherd’s Bush. Nice houses tho0 -
No, it antagonises the majority of people who don't think sport and politics should mix.Gallowgate said:
No, it antagonises some very sensitive snowflakes. The rest of us either simply do something else whilst they do it, or actively clap.Leon said:
The trouble is that "taking the knee" has got to a point where it REALLY antagonising fans. And I don't think the objections are "from racists", it's because fans see sport as a politics-free holiday away from everyday life. Especially football.Gallowgate said:
Marcus Rashford, for example, literally led a campaign to feed hungry British children in addition to the BLM protest and he was criticised for that by the same people who hate BLM.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?
If footballers want to take the knee, who cares? Our culture is interlinked with the US and has been for a long time. Nobody is saying you have to partake.
If you think they should focus on other issues too, I would agree with you. But in terms of being role models, being against cops killing black people in the USA is pretty inoffensive.
They come to football to escape the sad, fractured, humdrum world, to flee the austerities and violence of reality, to be part of a happy tribe, to see some people do something pointless - but brilliantly. To savour the highs and lows of combat, but in a safe allegorical way.
And now, when they go to a football match, they get multi-millionaires lecturing them about their racism, in a symbolic gesture that holds up the match. No wonder they boo
It was fine for a few weeks last summer, emotions were high. They really should stop doing it now. It is going to blight the euro championship, a virtue signalling equivalent of the vuvuzelas in the Saffer World Cup
Like I said, football fans are free to boo, and we're free to call them the dickheads that they are.1 -
Stand up comedy got a similar state with Brexit....I saw Mark Watson a couple of years ago and he literally walked on and said if you came for Brexit jokes, there aren't any, because you guys pay good money for a night out, to escape from the world out there and the last thing for the next 2hrs is a knob like me banging on about it, you have come to be entertained, not lectured.Leon said:
The trouble is that "taking the knee" has got to a point where it REALLY antagonises fans. And I don't think the objections are "from racists", it's because fans see sport as a politics-free holiday away from everyday life. Especially football.Gallowgate said:
Marcus Rashford, for example, literally led a campaign to feed hungry British children in addition to the BLM protest and he was criticised for that by the same people who hate BLM.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?
If footballers want to take the knee, who cares? Our culture is interlinked with the US and has been for a long time. Nobody is saying you have to partake.
If you think they should focus on other issues too, I would agree with you. But in terms of being role models, being against cops killing black people in the USA is pretty inoffensive.
They come to football to escape the sad, fractured, humdrum world, to flee the austerities and violence of reality, to be part of a happy tribe, to see some people do something pointless - but brilliantly. To savour the highs and lows of combat, but in a safe allegorical way.
And now, when they go to a football match, they get multi-millionaires lecturing them about their racism, in a symbolic gesture that holds up the match. No wonder they boo
It was fine for a few weeks last summer, emotions were high. They really should stop doing it now. It is going to blight the euro championship, a virtue signalling equivalent of the vuvuzelas in the Saffer World Cup
He got a massive cheer and this was in a city that massive Remain vote, which I doubt would have disagreed much with a left wing Remain comedian banging on about it.1 -
Weak. Some people just need to get a grip.Andy_JS said:
No, it antagonises the majority of people who don't think sport and politics should mix.Gallowgate said:
No, it antagonises some very sensitive snowflakes. The rest of us either simply do something else whilst they do it, or actively clap.Leon said:
The trouble is that "taking the knee" has got to a point where it REALLY antagonising fans. And I don't think the objections are "from racists", it's because fans see sport as a politics-free holiday away from everyday life. Especially football.Gallowgate said:
Marcus Rashford, for example, literally led a campaign to feed hungry British children in addition to the BLM protest and he was criticised for that by the same people who hate BLM.NerysHughes said:
We live in the UK. The biggest crime problem here is black men killing black men. Are our footballers taking the knee to complain about the actions of the American Police? We cannot do anything about the American Police as we cant do anything about the dozens of murderous regimes that exist in the world.Gallowgate said:
So? It appears you literally have no idea what the BLM movement is all about.NerysHughes said:
The point is the chances of a black man getting kiiled by a policeman in the UK are incredibly small. The chances of a black man getting killed by a black man are infinitely higher, its a daily event. Yet the whole BLM is about police killing black men even though it is rarer than a day without a Scott retweet on this site. There is nothing about black men killing black men.Gallowgate said:
Nobody is disagreeing with you though. It isn't an either/or.MaxPB said:Secondly, I'm saying the opposite of what you imply. It's a big fucking problem and no one wants to talk about it. In a few years time it will be as big a scandal as the Rotherham and other grooming cases. Young black teenagers are being coerced with cash and drugs to join gangs and take part in violent acts against rival gangs. It's one of the most lamentable parts of modern inner city culture.
Cops kill black people disproportionately in the USA. Taking the knee is a response to that. It literally doesn't matter if the British police don't do that, it is completely irrelevant.
Maybe you should educate yourself rather than just irrationally and blindly being against something you don't understand.
Would it not be better if our footballers were trying to raise the awareness of something that is happening daily in the UK, leading the pointless deaths of hundreds of black kids each year?
If footballers want to take the knee, who cares? Our culture is interlinked with the US and has been for a long time. Nobody is saying you have to partake.
If you think they should focus on other issues too, I would agree with you. But in terms of being role models, being against cops killing black people in the USA is pretty inoffensive.
They come to football to escape the sad, fractured, humdrum world, to flee the austerities and violence of reality, to be part of a happy tribe, to see some people do something pointless - but brilliantly. To savour the highs and lows of combat, but in a safe allegorical way.
And now, when they go to a football match, they get multi-millionaires lecturing them about their racism, in a symbolic gesture that holds up the match. No wonder they boo
It was fine for a few weeks last summer, emotions were high. They really should stop doing it now. It is going to blight the euro championship, a virtue signalling equivalent of the vuvuzelas in the Saffer World Cup
Like I said, football fans are free to boo, and we're free to call them the dickheads that they are.
There's plenty more important things to be getting on with than complaining that a bunch of 20 something footballers wish to put their knee into the ground for 30 seconds at the start of every match.
Let me repeat: being opposed to the state killing black men is not political. It's absolutely ludicrous and completely irrational.0
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