By far the biggest concern of MPs today – what’s happening to their constituency in the boundary rev

isam said:

Stocky said:

isam said:

Had my jab Thursday afternoon, passed out in the middle of the night 12 hours later - lucky I didnt hit my head on the way down as I was on my way to the medicine cupboard in the kitchen to get paracetamol. In bed all day Friday, went for a short bike ride Sat and was absolutely knackered, laid on the sofa all day yesterday, and today. In bed w no vino by 10pm, unheard of. Had to get the parents round to look after the toddler.

Just did some keepy uppies in the back garden and was out of breath as if I’d run 5k. Apparently this reaction is good because it means my immune system is functioning, but if that’s the case, wasn’t I unlikely to catch it anyway? Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered

Might I tentatively wonder whether you have brought this upon yourself a teensy bit?? Sorry for asking.

How’d you mean?

Stuartinromford said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

"Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins."

I think iSam analogy with Del Boy is very fitting. We know he lies, he cheats, he is looking out for number one, but people love him even when they get screwed, he is a bit cheeky, a bit naughty, will make you laugh at his missteps, and no matter what happens, next year will we will be milllionaiiiiiresss bruv.

Yes, the "lovable rogue" syndrome is very apt for Boris; although we never saw Del Boy trying to exercise his power much outside Peckham, did we? Or indeed Nelson Mandela House, an amusingly 'woke' name from some 40 years ago, if I recall correctly. 'Wokeness' isn't that new, is it? He also brings to my mind Falstaff.

Whether we want to be governed by a lovable rogue is, I guess, a matter of taste, but it's clearly an aphrodisiac for many.

It's one of the ways we talk at cross purposes. A government can be objectively bad at governing but highly popular.

There's no question that something like Del Boy's appeal is part of the charm of the current government.

But would you really put the future prosperity of those you love in Del Boy's hands?

Really?

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Nigel_Foremain said:

Stuartinromford said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

"Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins."

I think iSam analogy with Del Boy is very fitting. We know he lies, he cheats, he is looking out for number one, but people love him even when they get screwed, he is a bit cheeky, a bit naughty, will make you laugh at his missteps, and no matter what happens, next year will we will be milllionaiiiiiresss bruv.

Yes, the "lovable rogue" syndrome is very apt for Boris; although we never saw Del Boy trying to exercise his power much outside Peckham, did we? Or indeed Nelson Mandela House, an amusingly 'woke' name from some 40 years ago, if I recall correctly. 'Wokeness' isn't that new, is it? He also brings to my mind Falstaff.

Whether we want to be governed by a lovable rogue is, I guess, a matter of taste, but it's clearly an aphrodisiac for many.

It's one of the ways we talk at cross purposes. A government can be objectively bad at governing but highly popular.

There's no question that something like Del Boy's appeal is part of the charm of the current government.

But would you really put the future prosperity of those you love in Del Boy's hands?

Really?

I wouldn't, but the choice at the last election was between Del Boy and Trigger.

kinabalu said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

Hello there Ed. Thanks for "well argued". Not sure it was really. Rather an impressionistic take. I view things more like a teenage girl does than the typical spocky middle-aged men who make the weather on this site. But there's nobody sharper in this world than a teenage girl, right? So it's adding value.

We are indeed all individuals with our own thoughts and ideas. And people certainly should not be stereotyped based on assumed group level characteristics. Nobody would disagree with this. So given you've put it out there I know for a fact you mean something more interesting, ie something which can be disagreed with. If you tell me what it is, I'll be able to do the disagreement.

The PIE point is the standard riposte to the "Today's Transphobes = Yesterday's Homophobes" argument, isn't it? But it doesn't rebut the argument, it reinforces it. Because inherent in there is the exact view - this yucky unnatural thing is a menace akin to and linked to pedophilia - that informed the suppression of gay people for so long (and still does in places).

I agree with you that ideas about how society should develop don't become certain to prevail merely by being badged "progressive". They have to enthuse enough people - and be accepted or tolerated by many many more - for this to happen. Which is what IS happening on this stuff we're talking about. It's clear that it is. Why else, despite all the Trumps and the Brexits and the Tory landslides, are people on the reactionary right so mad about how things are going?

Stocky said:

isam said:

Stocky said:

isam said:

Had my jab Thursday afternoon, passed out in the middle of the night 12 hours later - lucky I didnt hit my head on the way down as I was on my way to the medicine cupboard in the kitchen to get paracetamol. In bed all day Friday, went for a short bike ride Sat and was absolutely knackered, laid on the sofa all day yesterday, and today. In bed w no vino by 10pm, unheard of. Had to get the parents round to look after the toddler.

Just did some keepy uppies in the back garden and was out of breath as if I’d run 5k. Apparently this reaction is good because it means my immune system is functioning, but if that’s the case, wasn’t I unlikely to catch it anyway? Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered

Might I tentatively wonder whether you have brought this upon yourself a teensy bit?? Sorry for asking.

How’d you mean?

Well you were clearly completely worked-up about the prospect of getting the jab. Verging on the irrational maybe? Just asking.

Gardenwalker said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

On bad days I feel similarly, but I don’t blame Muslim influence - indeed, I don’t feel any sense of that whatsoever. Nor do I see any reverses in sexual freedom.

No, my issue is an erosion of civil liberties, a reduction in freedom of speech (whether from woke or other reasons), and an undermining of our democratic systems by money.

If we are not prepared to defend our liberties we will lose them, and at the end of the day it’s those liberties and democratic values which distinguish us from China.

Gardenwalker said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Stuartinromford said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

"Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins."

I think iSam analogy with Del Boy is very fitting. We know he lies, he cheats, he is looking out for number one, but people love him even when they get screwed, he is a bit cheeky, a bit naughty, will make you laugh at his missteps, and no matter what happens, next year will we will be milllionaiiiiiresss bruv.

Yes, the "lovable rogue" syndrome is very apt for Boris; although we never saw Del Boy trying to exercise his power much outside Peckham, did we? Or indeed Nelson Mandela House, an amusingly 'woke' name from some 40 years ago, if I recall correctly. 'Wokeness' isn't that new, is it? He also brings to my mind Falstaff.

Whether we want to be governed by a lovable rogue is, I guess, a matter of taste, but it's clearly an aphrodisiac for many.

It's one of the ways we talk at cross purposes. A government can be objectively bad at governing but highly popular.

There's no question that something like Del Boy's appeal is part of the charm of the current government.

But would you really put the future prosperity of those you love in Del Boy's hands?

Really?

I wouldn't, but the choice at the last election was between Del Boy and Trigger.

An angry, rancid Trigger.

Also, from memory, Del Boy’s heart was in the right place, whereas all the evidence we have about Boris is that he is quite content to use and then abandon even his own family.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Stuartinromford said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

"Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins."

I think iSam analogy with Del Boy is very fitting. We know he lies, he cheats, he is looking out for number one, but people love him even when they get screwed, he is a bit cheeky, a bit naughty, will make you laugh at his missteps, and no matter what happens, next year will we will be milllionaiiiiiresss bruv.

Yes, the "lovable rogue" syndrome is very apt for Boris; although we never saw Del Boy trying to exercise his power much outside Peckham, did we? Or indeed Nelson Mandela House, an amusingly 'woke' name from some 40 years ago, if I recall correctly. 'Wokeness' isn't that new, is it? He also brings to my mind Falstaff.

Whether we want to be governed by a lovable rogue is, I guess, a matter of taste, but it's clearly an aphrodisiac for many.

It's one of the ways we talk at cross purposes. A government can be objectively bad at governing but highly popular.

There's no question that something like Del Boy's appeal is part of the charm of the current government.

But would you really put the future prosperity of those you love in Del Boy's hands?

Really?

I wouldn't, but the choice at the last election was between Del Boy and Trigger.

Gardenwalker said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

It is time to admit, sheepishly, that my own bedroom is Hague Blue.

However I live in an early Victorian semi, so it’s probably de rigueur in my part of the world.

Stuartinromford said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Stuartinromford said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

"Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins."

I think iSam analogy with Del Boy is very fitting. We know he lies, he cheats, he is looking out for number one, but people love him even when they get screwed, he is a bit cheeky, a bit naughty, will make you laugh at his missteps, and no matter what happens, next year will we will be milllionaiiiiiresss bruv.

Yes, the "lovable rogue" syndrome is very apt for Boris; although we never saw Del Boy trying to exercise his power much outside Peckham, did we? Or indeed Nelson Mandela House, an amusingly 'woke' name from some 40 years ago, if I recall correctly. 'Wokeness' isn't that new, is it? He also brings to my mind Falstaff.

Whether we want to be governed by a lovable rogue is, I guess, a matter of taste, but it's clearly an aphrodisiac for many.

It's one of the ways we talk at cross purposes. A government can be objectively bad at governing but highly popular.

There's no question that something like Del Boy's appeal is part of the charm of the current government.

But would you really put the future prosperity of those you love in Del Boy's hands?

Really?

I wouldn't, but the choice at the last election was between Del Boy and Trigger.

Except that, by 2019, it was a Trigger who had been fairly unambiguously revealed as a nasty piece of work. And replacing Nasty Trigger by... oh, I don't know, Jerry Leadbetter (dull but decent) hasn't changed the dynamics.

Hence the problem. As a nation, we quite possibly are giggling into the sea. And, as a nation, a sufficiency of us seem ok with that.

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

isam said:

…

Stocky said:

isam said:

Stocky said:

isam said:

Had my jab Thursday afternoon, passed out in the middle of the night 12 hours later - lucky I didnt hit my head on the way down as I was on my way to the medicine cupboard in the kitchen to get paracetamol. In bed all day Friday, went for a short bike ride Sat and was absolutely knackered, laid on the sofa all day yesterday, and today. In bed w no vino by 10pm, unheard of. Had to get the parents round to look after the toddler.

Just did some keepy uppies in the back garden and was out of breath as if I’d run 5k. Apparently this reaction is good because it means my immune system is functioning, but if that’s the case, wasn’t I unlikely to catch it anyway? Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered

Might I tentatively wonder whether you have brought this upon yourself a teensy bit?? Sorry for asking.

How’d you mean?

Well you were clearly completely worked-up about the prospect of getting the jab. Verging on the irrational maybe? Just asking.

Yeah I wasn’t convinced about having it, but surely that doesn’t give you what seems to be the flu? If I’d believed in it more I’d feel better?! This isn’t Brexit!

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.

I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat

I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.

I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat

I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais

No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.

Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.

MaxPB said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

Our kitchen is Hague Blue. We don't run a private members' club, though.

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.

I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat

I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais

No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.

Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.

You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the park

UGH

Leon said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

AlistairM said:

MattW said:

This will be fun:

Seven months before taking over the EU’s rotating Council presidency, the French government is mulling plans to revive the declining use and visibility of la langue de Molière.

The French government is earmarking money to offer more French classes to EU civil servants. Officials are contemplating hosting French-language debates featuring the country’s crème de la crème.

And then there are the meetings.

During the country’s presidency, French diplomats said all key meetings of the Council of the EU will be conducted in French (with translations available). Notes and minutes will be French-first. Even preparatory meetings will be conducted in French.

https://www.politico.eu/article/in-2022-make-french-language-great-again-eu-presidency/

English became the first language of the EU out of convenience for the majority. I am not sure that forcing people against their will to use French is going to have the benefits that they think.

I understand from my friends at the Commission that the shift from French to English only started in 2003 and took until 2008 at least to be in a position where fluent French was not a de facto requirement for much of the senior secretariat

This French initiative will likely backfire. The preservation of French as an official language of the EU already irritates the Italians and the Spanish, who think their languages have just as much right to be “official”. The Italians because they are the cradle of European culture - Latin etc - the Spanish because their language is much bigger in global speakers than French

gealbhan said:

isam said:

gealbhan said:

isam said:

Pulpstar said:

isam said:

Had my jab Thursday afternoon, passed out in the middle of the night 12 hours later - lucky I didnt hit my head on the way down as I was on my way to the medicine cupboard in the kitchen to get paracetamol. In bed all day Friday, went for a short bike ride Sat and was absolutely knackered, laid on the sofa all day yesterday, and today. In bed w no vino by 10pm, unheard of. Had to get the parents round to look after the toddler.

Just did some keepy uppies in the back garden and was out of breath as if I’d run 5k. Apparently this reaction is good because it means my immune system is functioning, but if that’s the case, wasn’t I unlikely to catch it anyway? Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered

Which one did you get

AZ

To be honest it seems like a bit of an extreme reaction. Hot, headache, bit of a funk seems the norm.

Just take it easy I suggest.

Those symptoms are pretty much it I guess. I just don’t get ill much, so this is a weird feeling

It’s your own immune system reacting that makes the weird feeling. It should settle down by about now.

How about ache in the receiving arm?

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.

I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat

I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais

No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.

Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.

You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the park

UGH

If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.

Stuartinromford said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Stuartinromford said:

Northern_Al said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

"Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins."

I think iSam analogy with Del Boy is very fitting. We know he lies, he cheats, he is looking out for number one, but people love him even when they get screwed, he is a bit cheeky, a bit naughty, will make you laugh at his missteps, and no matter what happens, next year will we will be milllionaiiiiiresss bruv.

Yes, the "lovable rogue" syndrome is very apt for Boris; although we never saw Del Boy trying to exercise his power much outside Peckham, did we? Or indeed Nelson Mandela House, an amusingly 'woke' name from some 40 years ago, if I recall correctly. 'Wokeness' isn't that new, is it? He also brings to my mind Falstaff.

Whether we want to be governed by a lovable rogue is, I guess, a matter of taste, but it's clearly an aphrodisiac for many.

It's one of the ways we talk at cross purposes. A government can be objectively bad at governing but highly popular.

There's no question that something like Del Boy's appeal is part of the charm of the current government.

But would you really put the future prosperity of those you love in Del Boy's hands?

Really?

I wouldn't, but the choice at the last election was between Del Boy and Trigger.

Except that, by 2019, it was a Trigger who had been fairly unambiguously revealed as a nasty piece of work. And replacing Nasty Trigger by... oh, I don't know, Jerry Leadbetter (dull but decent) hasn't changed the dynamics.

Hence the problem. As a nation, we quite possibly are giggling into the sea. And, as a nation, a sufficiency of us seem ok with that.

FrancisUrquhart said:

None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Lib Dems going hard on anti-development to try and win Chesham & Amersham by-elex. Quote just out: "Tory plans will allow developers to tarmac over greenbelt sites across the Chilterns without local people having any say, risking irreversible damage to the local environment."

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1401871936767021064?s=20

LibDems are the home of Nimbyism.

Andy_JS said:

It'll be surprising if the Con majority with the new boundaries isn't at least 100 seats, which would require an increase of at least 10. 15-20 is possible.

MaxPB said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

Our kitchen is Hague Blue. We don't run a private members' club, though.

HYUFD said:

Anabobazina said:

RobD said:

Anabobazina said:

RobD said:

Anabobazina said:

Malmesbury said:

RobD said:

Anabobazina said:

Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.

Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?

Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.

That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…

I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.

Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231

Thanks, I was asking after all.

Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.

It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.

Just increase the limit of guests for weddings and receptions to 100 but no more than that from 21st June, no problem.

Or 100 for outside receptions, 50 for indoor receptions

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Piss poor...

387,286 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 99,621 1st doses / 217,491 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 20,542 / 23,766
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 3,625 / 12,145
NI 3,557 / 6,539

I think that's a 20% uplift from last week.

Stocky said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Stocky said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Stocky said:

MikeSmithson said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

Hpw do you define "woke" ?

To be awake to structural racism, used as a derogatory term against those who are (proponents say) insufficiently awoken to racial injustice.

Woke individuals probably amount to under 1% of the population yet punch well above their weight by using abuse and bullying tactics via social media and by occupying in some cases position of influence and power, especially in the public sector and universities.

Always strongly left wing, often outright socialist (in the proper sense of the word), woke activists see everything – everything - through the lens of structural racism, despite living in a liberal democracy which by definition prevents structural racism. They see it everywhere, like the boy seeing ghosts in The Sixth Sense.

It is a psychological state. A delusion not founded on logic, rationality and fact. It is strongly connected to post-modernism.

It is, in essence, an illiberal movement. An outright attack on the freedoms in a liberal democracy that we take (took) for granted.

It is regrettable IMO that the definition has massively been broadened and distorted to mean "anything left wing" which is not correct and does a disservice to those of us who argue against and are appalled by the original "woke" meaning.

12% of the public consider themselves to be woke according to YouGov. 23% consider themselves not woke. 7% don't know. 59% don't know what woke means. I am in the 12%.

I don't believe you. You are far to nice for that.

Perhaps we interpret the term differently. To me it means that you believe that structural racism and white supremacism are real features of our society that need to be challenged and overcome so that everyone has the same opportunities.

That's not woke. All liberals agree that everyone should have the same opportunities. Woke activists are illiberal.

Stocky said:

isam said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

A bit rude! Have you been inhaling paint fumes?
Hague Blue is nice and very in right now. We have the similar Inchyra Blue on a couple of the walls of our kitchen, and just had the living room done in Breakfast Room Green and Sulking Room Pink (it's a double room). Slipper Satin above the dado rail. We got a cheaper paint brand to match the f&b colour though.
I'm troubled by how much I like the f&b colours given their inherently reactionary stylings.

Dulux Denim Drift is nice

I went into our local posh paint shop and asked the SW London type middle class lady if she’d heard of it and she almost threw up like David Walliams racist character in Little Britain when she found out black girls had made the scones. I said ‘you’ve never dipped your toe into the world of Dulux have you?”, and she said no.

I painted my old front room that colour a few years ago anyway

Is Dulux naff and non-U? I didn't know.

Is this just the emulsion colours? We've just done our skirting boards in Dulux paint.

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Piss poor...

387,286 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 99,621 1st doses / 217,491 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 20,542 / 23,766
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 3,625 / 12,145
NI 3,557 / 6,539

I think that's a 20% uplift from last week.

That was a bank holiday.

We aren't seeing any significant expansion of roll out. Very disappointing number of first jabs, which is what we need to be doing lots of as fast as possible to squash the new uptick in cases.

It's the second highest Sunday on record.

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Piss poor...

387,286 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 99,621 1st doses / 217,491 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 20,542 / 23,766
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 3,625 / 12,145
NI 3,557 / 6,539

I think that's a 20% uplift from last week.

That was a bank holiday.

We aren't seeing any significant expansion of roll out. Very disappointing number of first jabs, which is what we need to be doing lots of as fast as possible to squash the new uptick in cases.

It's the second highest Sunday on record.

Gardenwalker said:

There is a terrifying unity of colour preference on PB.

I just want to say though that, Hague Blue will probably be outdated in only two years or so.

Interior design is having a “maximalist” moment.

Pulpstar said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Piss poor...

387,286 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 99,621 1st doses / 217,491 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 20,542 / 23,766
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 3,625 / 12,145
NI 3,557 / 6,539

I think that's a 20% uplift from last week.

That was a bank holiday.

We aren't seeing any significant expansion of roll out. Very disappointing number of first jabs, which is what we need to be doing lots of as fast as possible to squash the new uptick in cases.

It's the second highest Sunday on record.

I have these sundays (Monday reporting) as higher ?

Day / Date / 1sts / 2nds / Cum 1sts / Cum 2nds / Day total

Monday 24-05-2021 126,357 252,139 38,070,038 22,895,556 378,496
Monday 26-04-2021 86,247 310,007 33,752,885 12,897,123 396,254
Monday 29-03-2021 293,542 146,785 30,444,829 3,674,266 440,327
Monday 22-03-2021 367,006 52,612 27,997,976 2,281,384 419,618

Monday 07-06-2021 109,345 259,941 40,442,576 27,921,294 369,286

Anabobazina said:

Stocky said:

NerysHughes said:

For the first time since Covid began there were zero deaths recorded in English Hospitals yesterday from Covid.

I thought there was a zero day last week?

There was!

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

MrEd said:

FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:

1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.

2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.

I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.

Progressive ‘ideals’ really aren’t *winning*. I wish they were in many respects


The West has stopped advancing, for many reasons, just one is the influence of Muslim immigrants on our culture, which is now palpable. Wokeness and Critical Race Theory are not ‘progressive’, their sinister, relentless focus on skin pigmentation, which apparently trumps all else, would delight any Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The progress in sexual freedom is arguably in reverse, as a new Puritanism takes over, meanwhile those who once fought for women’s rights now fight bitterly about a miniature issue, trans rights, in way that speaks firmly of Decadence and Decline

Meanwhile across the world the rising power, and civilisation, is China, anti-democratic, patriarchal, tinged with racial supremacism. It supersedes the West, our values are eclipsed

This is Radio Jeremiad, broadcasting lamentations from my half painted bedroom.

I am trying to think of a Muslim immigrant who exercises a significant cultural influence, positive or negative, and I can't think of one. Boris Johnson was born abroad and has a partly Muslim heritage, I think he's the closest I can come up with. Who do you have in mind?
What colour are you painting your room?

As I say below, see our de facto blasphemy law. You cannot mock Islam. Where did that come from?

Anything else? (I have no particular yearning to mock Islam so I don't feel the loss of this particular freedom too keenly, although I share your view that in general people should be able to take a bit of gentle ribbing).
The important question is what colour are you painting your room?

So you were wrong. Islam HAS had a big influence. The reintroduction of blasphemy laws, de facto, with a possible death penalty at the end, is no small thing. Yet you just laugh it off. Spineless lefty numbskulls like you are the reason the Enlightenment is in reverse

Bedroom paint: Hague Blue. Bit of a cliche but it really does make wooden furniture, floors, picture frames, look great. I am now tempted to paint all the white emulsion (doors, windows, wardrobe) a rich and scandalous red

Unless you have just converted a five-storey Bloomsbury house, complete with period fittings and furniture, into a happening and now members' club you have no business going anywhere near Hague Blue.

I’ll paint my room however I fucking like, if it’s all the same to you.

I have big Georgian sash windows. Works a treat

I think I am going for glossy scarlet emulsion. Gulp. Vermeer meets Le Chabanais

No @Leon you won't. You will get yourself down to Homebase and pick up something eye-catching by Dulux.

Nothing worse than an uppity bedroom painter.

You were born in St John’s Wood. North of the park

UGH

If it helps I moved out as soon as I realised the error. To Bolton Gardens, if you're counting.

Too far West, maybe. Almost south of the river!

I am ashamed to admit I have lived south of the river. But only once. And I do have an excuse. I was incarcerated in Brixton Jail, so it’s not like I had much choice

Still. South of the river. *Shudders*

Bolton Gardens "too far West". LOL.

When I was living on the Old Brompton Road I suggested to a friend of mine we go for a drink near me (The Troubadour, although as a Northie you probably don't know it). He lives in Lowndes Square and demurred, saying it was "so far out".

Andy_Cooke said:

turbotubbs said:

HYUFD said:

Anabobazina said:

RobD said:

Anabobazina said:

RobD said:

Anabobazina said:

Malmesbury said:

RobD said:

Anabobazina said:

Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.

Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?

Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.

That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…

I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.

Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231

Thanks, I was asking after all.

Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.

It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.

Just increase the limit of guests for weddings and receptions to 100 but no more than that from 21st June, no problem.

Or 100 for outside receptions, 50 for indoor receptions

Except - what is the evidence for that? Why not 160 and 80? Or 80 and 40? The problem with so much of this is the pretence at a rationale that is based on science, but in reality is not. At the weekend after cricket, to get a drink we had to don a mask to go to a table, to the sit down and can take mask off, then be served by a lady who went to the bar and came back etc, all so we could then don the masks again to take the drinks outside.
This is the nonsense that needs to stop. You can either go into pub and restaurants or you can't, let stop the idea that you can only spread covid whilst walking around, and not when sitting down.

Because there have been studies looking at order of magnitude levels: 10, 100, 1000.

So there is some idea of the benefit at each level, although establishing any given one is always going to be necessarily arbitrary.

If 100, why not 101? If 101, why not 102? If 102... etc.

You either set a line or have none. It would probably be simpler and provoke less picking over the specific number if they simply retained the current limit, but that would be rather harsh.

The entire thing on masks at some times and not others is because covid is infectious based on proximity and time. Get people to wear masks for 25% of the time indoors and you'll truncate that time period by 25%. If you require masks for eating and drinking, you can't do it. So select that particular time for not wearing masks and retain them for the rest of it (in addition, when you're moving around is when your more likely to expose larger numbers of people you're walking alongside).

The entire obsession with binary thinking (all or nothing, yes or no, 100% or 0%) is one reason that it was so difficult to bring down rising covid infections in this country short of a binary on/off lockdown. All the fucking "scotch egging" looking for edge cases and "if you can do this, then why not the other?"

So, yeah, we could simply ban bars and restaurants until the point where they're comfortable about unlimited internal occupancy with no masking or any measures at all. Or we could move partially towards these things whenever we can and use some common sense rather than unthinking binaries.

isam said:

…

Scott_xP said:

isam said:

Apparently this reaction is good because it means my immune system is functioning, but if that’s the case, wasn’t I unlikely to catch it anyway? Beginning to wish I hadn’t bothered

Ummm, I don't think that's how vaccines work...

Cowpox inoculates someone against Smallpox. I don't think an adverse reaction to Cowpox means you would have been fine with Smallpox...

No I meant the ‘means your immune system is really good’ line

Scott_xP said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

We've used Johnstone's paint which is very reasonable but good quality and easy to apply (it's what decorators use), and they can match any F&B colour for about half the price.

Johnstone's exterior gloss is vastly superior to Dulux

NerysHughes said:

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20

Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....

Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....

Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.

Anabobazina said:

TimS said:

Anabobazina said:

Stocky said:

NerysHughes said:

For the first time since Covid began there were zero deaths recorded in English Hospitals yesterday from Covid.

I thought there was a zero day last week?

There was!

No, different metric. Today's zero is the NHS England hospital deaths measure, which is different from the reported UK Covid deaths number. So we had a zero last week on the latter but this is the first zero since last spring on the former.

How is possible to get zero deaths in the latter but not the former?

TimT said:

Pulpstar said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Piss poor...

387,286 vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 99,621 1st doses / 217,491 2nd doses
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 20,542 / 23,766
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 3,625 / 12,145
NI 3,557 / 6,539

I think that's a 20% uplift from last week.

That was a bank holiday.

We aren't seeing any significant expansion of roll out. Very disappointing number of first jabs, which is what we need to be doing lots of as fast as possible to squash the new uptick in cases.

It's the second highest Sunday on record.

I have these sundays (Monday reporting) as higher ?

Day / Date / 1sts / 2nds / Cum 1sts / Cum 2nds / Day total

Monday 24-05-2021 126,357 252,139 38,070,038 22,895,556 378,496
Monday 26-04-2021 86,247 310,007 33,752,885 12,897,123 396,254
Monday 29-03-2021 293,542 146,785 30,444,829 3,674,266 440,327
Monday 22-03-2021 367,006 52,612 27,997,976 2,281,384 419,618

Monday 07-06-2021 109,345 259,941 40,442,576 27,921,294 369,286

Just to quibble, but your 7 June numbers to do match the 387,286 number cited.

NerysHughes said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

NerysHughes said:

MarqueeMark said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

None of the people who attended the party where Sasha was shot have come forward to give a statement to police

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1401877579057991690?s=20

Black lives don't matter so much to other blacks - if they get in the way of a drug deal going down....

Compare and contrast with the number of statements and pieces of footage on YouTube if she had been shot by a white cop. Just sayin'....

Thats why I hate the Black Lives Matter nonsense. When a black person kills another black person which in this Country is a 1000 times more likely than a black person getting killed by a Police Officer it does not matter.
There were huge protests about police brutality last year and the taking the knee stuff goes on. Why are there no protests about black kids killing other black kids? That seems to be ok. I just don't get it.

OK boomer

Was there something incorrect in what I wrote?