By far the biggest concern of MPs today – what’s happening to their constituency in the boundary rev
By far the biggest concern of MPs today – what’s happening to their constituency in the boundary review – politicalbetting.com
Later on today every single MP will get a special letter directed to them alone on what is planned to happen to their seats in the new boundaries that will take effect during 2023. It won’t be till some time later that the full report is issued though we are likely to see a lot of information coming from individual MPs.
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Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.0 -
The proposed boundary changes post Brexit are not necessarily as favourable to the Tories as they would have been in 2010 or 2015 for example.
In 2019 the Tories got a higher voteshare in the East and East Midlands than the South East and their biggest increase in voteshare in the West Midlands and Labour got its best result and highest voteshare in London not the NorthEast.
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Qantas 'disturbed' by claims of gang infiltration
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57379984
Wide use of encrypted phones...interesting tit bit, encrochat operation apparently was brought to an early end, because a low level British police intelligence handler that was working in the NW leaked it to local criminals that their network had been comprised.0 -
That's right - the changing electoral geography means that many former assumptions are obsolete.HYUFD said:The proposed boundary changes post Brexit are not necessarily as favourable to the Tories as they would have been in 2010 or 2015 for example.
In 2019 the Tories got a higher voteshare in the East and East Midlands than the South East and their biggest increase in voteshare in the West Midlands and Labour got its best result in London not the North.4 -
Whilst I think that is true an extra 7 seats in the SE really ought to favour the Tories a bit, as should the reduction in Wales. Not as good for them as it would have been historically but still better, maybe 5-10 seats net gain?MikeSmithson said:
That's right - the changing electoral geography means that many former assumptions are obsolete.HYUFD said:The proposed boundary changes post Brexit are not necessarily as favourable to the Tories as they would have been in 2010 or 2015 for example.
In 2019 the Tories got a higher voteshare in the East and East Midlands than the South East and their biggest increase in voteshare in the West Midlands and Labour got its best result in London not the North.3 -
FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.3 -
Fingers crossed that Shipley gets merged out of existence and Philip Davies ends up as Esther's hired help.0
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Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England). In that context I don't think 650 is an unreasonable number for our lower House. The House of Lords is another story of course.Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.0 -
The Conservatives still virtually swept the board in the SE (74 vs 8) and Labour still won in the NE (19 vs 10) so we don't want to overdo that.HYUFD said:The proposed boundary changes post Brexit are not necessarily as favourable to the Tories as they would have been in 2010 or 2015 for example.
In 2019 the Tories got a higher voteshare in the East and East Midlands than the South East and their biggest increase in voteshare in the West Midlands and Labour got its best result and highest voteshare in London not the NorthEast.0 -
Wales is very over represented in the Commons, an average of 38,609 votes per constituency there in 2019.MikeSmithson said:
That's right - the changing electoral geography means that many former assumptions are obsolete.HYUFD said:The proposed boundary changes post Brexit are not necessarily as favourable to the Tories as they would have been in 2010 or 2015 for example.
In 2019 the Tories got a higher voteshare in the East and East Midlands than the South East and their biggest increase in voteshare in the West Midlands and Labour got its best result in London not the North.
Scotland was 46,764 and England 50,487. Northern Ireland was 44,391.0 -
I am just waiting to see which particular bit we get grafted on to make a super safe seat even more safe.0
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Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.1
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I lent my vote to the Tories in the Notts council elections that they have no excuses if they don't slim down the bloated two tier system of local Gov't here (They have a majority here now). Up to them whether they want to keep it or not - my ward is still Labour mind.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England). In that context I don't think 650 is an unreasonable number for our lower House. The House of Lords is another story of course.Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.0 -
Though Cameron's swing of 4.95% in 2010 would still be rather easier for Starmer than Blair's swing of 10% in 1997, he remains in the game to get a hung parliament in 2024 even if he has near zero chance of a Labour majority, let alone a Blair style landslideDavidL said:Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.
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One to watch is Coventry South, if that gets Kenilworth bolted on it is goodnight Zara.0
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I would say that most progressive people would sign up wholeheartedly to your number 1 (maybe not all, but then progressives like conservatives are not a monolith). It's a bit like the Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter debate. Progressives say that Black Lives Matter because they think that all lives matter and they want to highlight the injustices that mean that right now some lives matter more than others. They interpret people saying All Lives Matter as an effort to downplay those injustices. Some people who say All Lives Matter may not be doing that, but some certainly are.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On 2 I would agree. You only need to compare Weimar and Nazi Germany to see that history is not monotonic. Hopefully progressive ideals will win in the end but only if we fight for them.2 -
Effectively it's surely 109 because of the Sinn Feiners and Hartlepool?DavidL said:Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.
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On the latter point the other favourite that is brought up is eugenics. I think the answer is one that exposes the tautology of the definition of "progressive". Any ideas that end up being rejected were not progressive at all, but were mistakes.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On the positive side, this view is of an ideology open to challenge, debate and amendment. But then it means that victory is assured, because anything that changes is by definition progress, and hence progressive. And it doesn't tell us much about what will be regarded in the future as obviously right (veganism? gender self-ID?) in the way that has mostly occurred for gay rights in the West.0 -
True but the trend is there and a number of Tory seats in the SE like Esher and Walton were only won by narrow majorities over the LDs mainly to keep out Corbyn.Fishing said:
The Conservatives still virtually swept the board in the SE (74 vs 8) and Labour still won in the NE (19 vs 10) so we don't want to overdo that.HYUFD said:The proposed boundary changes post Brexit are not necessarily as favourable to the Tories as they would have been in 2010 or 2015 for example.
In 2019 the Tories got a higher voteshare in the East and East Midlands than the South East and their biggest increase in voteshare in the West Midlands and Labour got its best result and highest voteshare in London not the NorthEast.
In 2010 also Labour won 25 seats in the NE to just 2 for the Tories so the North-South divide politically is much less strong than it was a decade ago2 -
They are so overworked that 112 of them manage to have second jobs.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England).Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.
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Oh its still possible. Events and all that. We are in for a somewhat exciting ride economically which will definitely have losers as well as winners. Sooner or later the brakes are going to have to come on but I think that Boris will be wanting that to happen after the election and it seems that his latest chum in the White House is very much of the same view with a similar timetable in mind.HYUFD said:
Though Cameron's swing of 4.95% in 2010 would still be rather easier for Starmer than Blair's swing of 10% in 1997, he remains in the game to get a hung parliament in 2024 even if he has near zero chance of a Labour majority, let alone a Blair style landslideDavidL said:Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.
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Coventry gets 3 seats stand alone but does require a ward swapPulpstar said:One to watch is Coventry South, if that gets Kenilworth bolted on it is goodnight Zara.
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Not nearly enough. I wish more of them had up to date real world experience.Fishing said:
They are so overworked that 112 of them manage to have second jobs.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England).Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.0 -
Although Kenilworth itself is getting a bit fragile from a Tory point of view. Greens and Libdems dominate the parish council.Pulpstar said:One to watch is Coventry South, if that gets Kenilworth bolted on it is goodnight Zara.
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I would say the unstoppable march of "progressive" ideas through history is more the unstoppable march of utilitarian ideas tempered by compassion, in defiance of moral systems that cause harm.
Where a new, "progressive" idea leads to demonstrable and recordable harm that outweighs any benefit (the PIE being a good example, Eugenics or forced sterilisation another) then it doesn't stick. On the other hand where entrenched morality causes demonstrable harm while the solution harms nothing except people's sense of moral virtue - for example banning homosexuality or maintaining racial segregation - then eventually it gets undermined and replaced. The tricky ones, where two sides are able to argue actual harm caused by the status quo or the change respectively, are the ones that don't seem to change quickly. Euthanasia and drug legalisation being two current examples.2 -
Indeed. I have five tiers of government: village, town, county, state and federal. I get to vote for a chief executive at each of those levels, and I have at least eleven legislators representing me across all five levels (six village trustees, one county legislator, one state representative and one state senator, and one US representative and one US senator. I say “at least” because I don’t think I have a town-level representative as the village exercises almost all the functions of the town. Oh, and there’s the school board. Not sure how many are on that as I’ve never bothered to vote in that election (which is held separately from the others with different polling places). Plus there’s various local and state judges that are elected too. In most NY counties, I’d also get to vote for the county sheriff, but in Westchester that post is held by the chief of the county police who’s appointed by the (elected) county executive.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England). In that context I don't think 650 is an unreasonable number for our lower House. The House of Lords is another story of course.Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.
So arguably we are a lot more “governed” in the US than in the UK, but of course it’s not exactly comparable, as the things that governments do are different between the two countries (I mean, our buses and commuter trains are run by the county and state governments respectively!).
Yes, it’s clearly not as efficient here, and it’s expensive (I pay maybe ten times more in local property taxes for the village, school board, town and county than I paid in council tax in the UK. Yet there are advantages in that there is a real sense of local communities clearly governing themselves. I feel the UK has centralized local government in the pursuit of efficiency far more than it should have.2 -
The SF position has been similar for a long time now. I was struck that Boris would be in a somewhat better position to Brown before the 2010 election. Brown went into that with 349MPs, Boris currently has 366 and this might push him to an effective 376.Fishing said:
Effectively it's surely 109 because of the Sinn Feiners and Hartlepool?DavidL said:Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.
Of course you can lose from there but its getting harder and harder and I am wondering if the odds on a Tory majority fully reflect that.1 -
True but Brown at least had a chance of a deal with the LDs in the 2010 hung parliament, or at least Labour did had they replaced Brown with Miliband.DavidL said:
The SF position has been similar for a long time now. I was struck that Boris would be in a somewhat better position to Brown before the 2010 election. Brown went into that with 349MPs, Boris currently has 366 and this might push him to an effective 376.Fishing said:
Effectively it's surely 109 because of the Sinn Feiners and Hartlepool?DavidL said:Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.
Of course you can lose from there but its getting harder and harder and I am wondering if the odds on a Tory majority fully reflect that.
Boris has no chance of any deal with any minor party in 2010 except maybe the DUP but even that is unlikely now unless he removes the Irish Sea border.
So Boris really needs to win another outright majority in 2024 for the Tories to stay in power, or at least get close enough that only the opposition parties combined + SF have more seats than the Tories0 -
Personally I am more of the view that the idea of progress is a product of the enlightenment: faith in progress is a substitute for religion. People are driven by faith in a better future, but this would be an alien and absurd idea in most of human civilisation.TimS said:I would say the unstoppable march of "progressive" ideas through history is more the unstoppable march of utilitarian ideas tempered by compassion, in defiance of moral systems that cause harm.
Where a new, "progressive" idea leads to demonstrable and recordable harm that outweighs any benefit (the PIE being a good example, Eugenics or forced sterilisation another) then it doesn't stick. On the other hand where entrenched morality causes demonstrable harm while the solution harms nothing except people's sense of moral virtue - for example banning homosexuality or maintaining racial segregation - then eventually it gets undermined and replaced. The tricky ones, where two sides are able to argue actual harm caused by the status quo or the change respectively, are the ones that don't seem to change quickly. Euthanasia and drug legalisation being two current examples.0 -
Some Middle Eastern societies were a good deal more progressive 40 - 50 years ago than they are today.LostPassword said:
On the latter point the other favourite that is brought up is eugenics. I think the answer is one that exposes the tautology of the definition of "progressive". Any ideas that end up being rejected were not progressive at all, but were mistakes.MrEd said:FPT, I just noticed @Kinablu's well argued post saying why the Right won't win the culture wars. Two things that just wanted to highlight:
1. It's interesting that Kinablu's view is they see a victory for the Right in the culture wars as meaning we get such delights as mandatory statues to slave traders and so on. I can't speak for all but I would see a "victory" as meaning that all are equal and treated equally, and that we are viewed as individuals with our thoughts and ideas, and not that we are pigeon-holed into blocks that are supposed to think the same way, talk the same way etc based on our skin colour, secuality etc.
2. The idea that the advance of "progressive" ideas is always inevitable is also wrong. The best example of that is the promotion of Adult-Child relationships in the 1970s by the likes of PIE and their supporters. For the 1970s, "wokesters", it was the equivalent of the gender identity arguments of today. Needless to say, the former argument doesn't look so great 40+ years on.
On the positive side, this view is of an ideology open to challenge, debate and amendment. But then it means that victory is assured, because anything that changes is by definition progress, and hence progressive. And it doesn't tell us much about what will be regarded in the future as obviously right (veganism? gender self-ID?) in the way that has mostly occurred for gay rights in the West.
As you imply, notions of what is progressive can differ over time. We might very well have become a society in which the persecution of adult-child relationships came to be seen as abhorrent, and eugenics was seen as entirely rational . I'm glad we didn't - but if we had, we'd regard the arguments against these things as reactionary throwbacks.
Communism is a good example of a progressive idea that turned out to be a bad mistake.1 -
My understanding is the English boundary commission is to publish its initial proposals tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/BCEReviews/status/1400002269110751241
However, the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish boundary commission are probably not due to release their initial proposals until the autumn.0 -
A trade of St Michael's for Lower Stoke between North East and South looks the best option to me. It's both geographically neat and bumps south up to quota without taking North East under.GarethoftheVale2 said:
Coventry gets 3 seats stand alone but does require a ward swapPulpstar said:One to watch is Coventry South, if that gets Kenilworth bolted on it is goodnight Zara.
Kenilworth would have been added had we gone to 600 seats but obviously that's not going to happen now.0 -
Well it depends on the experience of course - not all jobs add value and it's easy enough to see how it can encourage corruption, despite all the safeguards.DavidL said:
Not nearly enough. I wish more of them had up to date real world experience.Fishing said:
They are so overworked that 112 of them manage to have second jobs.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England).Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.
However, the point stands overall - it is difficult to argue that they are overworked when so many of them have second jobs.0 -
As with the proposed shake-up of local government I can't see how anything actually gets enacted considering how hyper-partisan things now are. Newly elected Tories in red wall north and midlands losing their seats as their government abolishes them and cuts representation? No chance.
Same with local government changes which are really needed. As absurd as some of the county / district council mashups are and how (morally and often now financially) bankrupt some of the unitaries are, something needs to be done.
Again, you cannot achieve change in a hyper-partisan environment where the changes are picky tweaks at best. Roll both issues together into a royal commission as to how the UK can be fit for the future in an age of nationalism and localism. A proper settlement for the nations where policy is largely devolved to the 4 national parliaments. A further devolution of powers into the new metro / regional structures.
As an example. The King of the North still has to contend with the various former metropolitan authorities. Do it properly, have Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire as the regional authority and a smaller slimmed down district council in somewhere like Rochdale implementing in their area the policies set in the region.0 -
Does anyone else think there must be more to Ollie Robinson’s suspension? Suspended pending investigation, but he hasn’t denied them, he is bang to rights (although I don’t think he has done anything wrong anyway) so what’s the investigation into? Maybe there’s is more, must be.
Comparison choice of Shamima Begum is beautifully dumb - someone who joked about Muslim women being ‘the bomb’, a play on words at worst, as if that is a horrendous fiction, & a Muslim woman that joined IS & enabled terrorists!
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Airlines are caught up in this sort of activity quite regularly.FrancisUrquhart said:Qantas 'disturbed' by claims of gang infiltration
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57379984
Wide use of encrypted phones...interesting tit bit, encrochat operation apparently was brought to an early end, because a low level British police intelligence handler that was working in the NW leaked it to local criminals that their network had been comprised.
Usually it’s cabin crew smuggling stuff - they’re not well paid, but are good at putting on a well-dressed face to customs agents. Good mules for the gangs.0 -
It could be that having been caught out, the ECB don't want to pick him again and find there is something else...although remember this is the ECB we are talking about, they are useless.isam said:Does anyone else think there must be more to Ollie Robinson’s suspension? Suspended pending investigation, but he hasn’t denied them, he is bang to rights (although I don’t think he has done anything wrong anyway) so what’s the investigation into? Maybe there’s is more, must be.
Comparison choice of Shamima Begum is beautifully dumb - someone who joked about Muslim women being ‘the bomb’, a play on words at worst, as if that is a horrendous fiction, & a Muslim woman that joined IS & enabled terrorists!
The other thing is the ECB have a load of race related stuff in their in tray. They have just settled the dispute with the two black umpires, there is the claims by a few Asian cricketers of discrimination and racism suffered while playing in the county game, and the new head is trying to to have a big push diversity and inclusion.0 -
I suspect that an MP for a wealthy shire constituency probably has little casework and hence some free time to devote to a sideline, whereas an MP for an impoverished inner city seat is likely working flat out on casework. Would be interested to see the party breakdown, I suspect more Tory MPs have second jobs (but stand to be corrected).Fishing said:
They are so overworked that 112 of them manage to have second jobs.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Once you factor in state and local government you would be hard pressed to make the claim that the US has a slimmed down political system. UK MPs have a huge caseload owing to our centralised system of government (at least in England).Fishing said:Interesting stuff. How many sets of proposed new boundaries is that since the last national changes? I've lost count.
I wonder if this lot will get implemented?
I'm still sorry we haven't slimmed our bloated Lower House. The Americans manage with 435.0 -
A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
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What about the crisis in the polling industry - all we seem to be getting these days are endless outliers despite Cummings/Morgan/Wallpaper/etc/etc!3
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The Qantas bit wasn't surprisijg or interesting to me, it was the encrypted phone network.Sandpit said:
Airlines are caught up in this sort of activity quite regularly.FrancisUrquhart said:Qantas 'disturbed' by claims of gang infiltration
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57379984
Wide use of encrypted phones...interesting tit bit, encrochat operation apparently was brought to an early end, because a low level British police intelligence handler that was working in the NW leaked it to local criminals that their network had been comprised.
Usually it’s cabin crew smuggling stuff - they’re not well paid, but are good at putting on a well-dressed face to customs agents. Good mules for the gangs.0 -
Good post - but I'd argue the utilitarian argument is now quite strongly in favour of drug legalisation.TimS said:I would say the unstoppable march of "progressive" ideas through history is more the unstoppable march of utilitarian ideas tempered by compassion, in defiance of moral systems that cause harm.
Where a new, "progressive" idea leads to demonstrable and recordable harm that outweighs any benefit (the PIE being a good example, Eugenics or forced sterilisation another) then it doesn't stick. On the other hand where entrenched morality causes demonstrable harm while the solution harms nothing except people's sense of moral virtue - for example banning homosexuality or maintaining racial segregation - then eventually it gets undermined and replaced. The tricky ones, where two sides are able to argue actual harm caused by the status quo or the change respectively, are the ones that don't seem to change quickly. Euthanasia and drug legalisation being two current examples.4 -
While there's possibly some duplication its worth noting that if the Tories hoover up the Brexit vote, a la Hartlepool, then that's 15 gains right there.DavidL said:Of course if the Tories do have a net gain of 10 out of this, which they probably will, it makes Boris's majority effectively 100 which means that SKS would need to match Cameron's swing in 2010 to be in the game for PM. That seems....unlikely.
Depending upon levels of duplication there it means a baseline of ~110 to 130 majority without any further swings.1 -
Presumably related to EncroChat, which got hacked by British and French spooks, and led to an awful lot of arrests last year. The authorities were able to read everyone’s messages, and a lot of criminals were very honest about their activities when they thought no-one could read them.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Qantas bit wasn't surprisijg or interesting to me, it was the encrypted phone network.Sandpit said:
Airlines are caught up in this sort of activity quite regularly.FrancisUrquhart said:Qantas 'disturbed' by claims of gang infiltration
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57379984
Wide use of encrypted phones...interesting tit bit, encrochat operation apparently was brought to an early end, because a low level British police intelligence handler that was working in the NW leaked it to local criminals that their network had been comprised.
Usually it’s cabin crew smuggling stuff - they’re not well paid, but are good at putting on a well-dressed face to customs agents. Good mules for the gangs.
https://www.techspot.com/news/85868-police-hack-encrypted-phone-network-used-organize-drug.html0 -
First Minister of Wales Mark Drakeford says all over 18 will have received a jab invite letter at the start of next week, to be administered by the end of June - 6 weeks ahead of schedule. He adds the target is for all second jabs to be completed by the end of September.
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The conservative party isn't particularly conservative, it is just a power winning machine. They are more likely to reinvent themselves than the labour party, who are stuck with archaic procedures and widely diffused authority.Jonathan said:
It appears to still be dead. Populism filled the void and took over the Tory party.DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
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The phrase of the moment is "out of an abundance of caution"...FrancisUrquhart said:
It could be that having been caught out, the ECB don't want to pick him again and find there is something else...although remember this is the ECB we are talking about, they are useless.isam said:Does anyone else think there must be more to Ollie Robinson’s suspension? Suspended pending investigation, but he hasn’t denied them, he is bang to rights (although I don’t think he has done anything wrong anyway) so what’s the investigation into? Maybe there’s is more, must be.
Comparison choice of Shamima Begum is beautifully dumb - someone who joked about Muslim women being ‘the bomb’, a play on words at worst, as if that is a horrendous fiction, & a Muslim woman that joined IS & enabled terrorists!
The other thing is the ECB have a load of race related stuff in their in tray. They have just settled the dispute with the two black umpires, there is the claims by a few Asian cricketers of discrimination and racism suffered while playing in the county game, and the new head is trying to to have a big push diversity and inclusion.
I've little doubt the ECB are desperate to get him back in the team asap, as he looks a fine bowler; certainly he outbowled Anderson in the last test.
And if there's nothing more to find, he'll back back pretty soon.
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From a kinder, gentler age...
My Time as (Probably) the Most Assaulted Cabinet Member in History
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/07/dan-glickman-book-agriculture-secretary-assaulted-491923
...I had all sorts of things tossed at me in my position as secretary of agriculture—organic seeds by naked men and women in Rome, bison guts in Montana and tofu pies in D.C. It turns out people really care about their food. In a way, I think my career was a preview of the incivility that would eventually engulf our politics; only instead of barrages of hateful tweets and public harassment, I got food thrown in my face....0 -
I have had a particularly trying morning with the Scottish vaccination system. Firstly, my appointment was fixed for Friday when I am in court so I had to register with them to change it. This proved particularly clunky with lots of deletions of data already provided but eventually I managed it. Then I found that there were no appointments near me showing before the end of July. This involved checking each potential site day by day. Then I made the mistake of phoning them. 30+minutes on hold I am told that there are no available appointments anywhere right now but to try again in a couple of days. Tried again 2 hours later and found a slot in Dundee on Saturday.CarlottaVance said:First Minister of Wales Mark Drakeford says all over 18 will have received a jab invite letter at the start of next week, to be administered by the end of June - 6 weeks ahead of schedule. He adds the target is for all second jabs to be completed by the end of September.
https://twitter.com/itssophiemorris/status/1401867527286931458?s=20
I cannot help but think such a clunky and unfriendly system is not exactly going to be boosting the vaccination rate.3 -
I wonder if the ECB are shocked by the politicians wading into the Robinson debate? First item on Politics Live.0
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I would assume that Martin Baxter at Electoralcalculus will soon write an article there on how the new seats in England would have affected GE2019; he will produce similar for Scotland Wales & NI subsequently.
We will ultimately be able to see notional results for GE2019 and potential results of next GE taking into account swings of 1% 2% 3% 4% etc either Lab/Con Con/Lab Con/LD etc.
Also Rallings & Thrasher and other psychologists of course will produce their thoughts.0 -
Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.0
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Very long, but very worthwhile profile of the PM in the Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/boris-johnson-minister-of-chaos/619010/5 -
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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Capacity limits on venues is the only major domestic restriction remaining to remove, everything else can be guidance. It’s the acid test of 21st June.Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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Saying "he's a populist" essentially means "he's popular and I don't agree with him" .Monkeys said:8 -
But when will the psephologists wade in?PamelaW said:I would assume that Martin Baxter at Electoralcalculus will soon write an article there on how the new seats in England would have affected GE2019; he will produce similar for Scotland Wales & NI subsequently.
We will ultimately be able to see notional results for GE2019 and potential results of next GE taking into account swings of 1% 2% 3% 4% etc either Lab/Con Con/Lab Con/LD etc.
Also Rallings & Thrasher and other psychologists of course will produce their thoughts.1 -
I suspect autocorrect was a little over zealous thereMarqueeMark said:
But when will the psephologists wade in?PamelaW said:I would assume that Martin Baxter at Electoralcalculus will soon write an article there on how the new seats in England would have affected GE2019; he will produce similar for Scotland Wales & NI subsequently.
We will ultimately be able to see notional results for GE2019 and potential results of next GE taking into account swings of 1% 2% 3% 4% etc either Lab/Con Con/Lab Con/LD etc.
Also Rallings & Thrasher and other psychologists of course will produce their thoughts.1 -
RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
Nope. The wedding sector had been promised an update on 24 May - and has been hit with the usual wall of silence from Boris and friends.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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We need Justin 124's input on how it all goes back to 1964....MarqueeMark said:
But when will the psephologists wade in?PamelaW said:I would assume that Martin Baxter at Electoralcalculus will soon write an article there on how the new seats in England would have affected GE2019; he will produce similar for Scotland Wales & NI subsequently.
We will ultimately be able to see notional results for GE2019 and potential results of next GE taking into account swings of 1% 2% 3% 4% etc either Lab/Con Con/Lab Con/LD etc.
Also Rallings & Thrasher and other psychologists of course will produce their thoughts.1 -
There's a lot of conflating of populism and popular. Popular gets you an 80 seat majority. Those with whom Boris is unpopular just cannot understand it - and so fling shit instead.Monkeys said:3 -
That does seem at odds with the idea for waiting for the recent changes to bed in. Who promised this?Anabobazina said:RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
Nope. The wedding sector had been promised an update on 24 May - and has been hit with the usual wall of silence from Boris and friends.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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...more likely a financial crash followed by Brexit and Corbyn, but then as that doesn't fit your narrative, I will concede defeat.isam said:
Freedom of Movement + an uncharismatic Labour PM?DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
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From the article @dixiedean linked to. Sums up a lot of the thought patterns on here and from those who used to be here but left. If they don’t like someone, they simply can’t compute that others mightFishing said:
Saying "he's a populist" essentially means "he's popular and I don't agree with him" .Monkeys said:
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Because they are. See Gove's "people have had enough of experts" comment.Monkeys said:
The government is using social media, trad media, focus groups and polling to establish what most people want and government policy follows this. Populism is, then, rule by the low-information masses; government by the ignorant, if you like.
Populism is, therefore, necessarily disconnected from the underlying ideology that political parties should have, and up to now have had.
I despise populism. Ideology gets a bad rap. And a populist government, especially when led by a leader who is generally liked, is virtually impossible to dislodge.
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That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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We need four levels of government.RochdalePioneers said:As with the proposed shake-up of local government I can't see how anything actually gets enacted considering how hyper-partisan things now are. Newly elected Tories in red wall north and midlands losing their seats as their government abolishes them and cuts representation? No chance.
Same with local government changes which are really needed. As absurd as some of the county / district council mashups are and how (morally and often now financially) bankrupt some of the unitaries are, something needs to be done.
Again, you cannot achieve change in a hyper-partisan environment where the changes are picky tweaks at best. Roll both issues together into a royal commission as to how the UK can be fit for the future in an age of nationalism and localism. A proper settlement for the nations where policy is largely devolved to the 4 national parliaments. A further devolution of powers into the new metro / regional structures.
As an example. The King of the North still has to contend with the various former metropolitan authorities. Do it properly, have Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire as the regional authority and a smaller slimmed down district council in somewhere like Rochdale implementing in their area the policies set in the region.
4 District or Town
3 County or Metro
2 Region or Nation
1 U.K.
The English seem to be averse to regional governments, which is their right, but there are certain elements around economic development and transport etc that are best planned regionally.
I would therefore simply create English regions which are governed by those representatives elected by constituent counties and metros.
For example, a Midlands region would be administered by a dedicated bureacracy, funded by a surcharge on Midlands voters, and governed by the leads of the constituent counties and metros with voting representation weighted according to population.
Apart from structure, a massive chunk of tax-raising (and thereby budget) authority should be transferred from Westminster to the counties and metros.
As PBers know; the U.K. one of most centralised countries on Earth (which among other things, is a drag on economic growth).1 -
My opinion does dove tail with my narrative quite a lot - what a shocker!Mexicanpete said:
...more likely a financial crash followed by Brexit and Corbyn, but then as that doesn't fit your narrative, I will concede defeat.isam said:
Freedom of Movement + an uncharismatic Labour PM?DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
The garrulous will inherit the earth and the meek receive nothing
You don’t have to concede defeat, different views are allowed0 -
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
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Fishing said:
Saying "he's a populist" essentially means "he's popular and I don't agree with him" .Monkeys said:
"All individuals are subject to error and seduction, but not the people, which possesses to an eminent degree of consciousness of its own good and the measure of its independence. Because of that its judgement is pure, its will is strong, and none can corrupt or even threaten it."
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Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
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Thanks, I was asking after all.Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.0 -
"German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said Monday that the right for individual EU member states to veto decisions must be scrapped, saying that the 27-member bloc cannot be hamstrung by single hold-outs"
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/14018728196218798080 -
That was changed back in mid-May, I thought?Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-241252311 -
And so the case for our having Brexited becomes overwhelming.....williamglenn said:"German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said Monday that the right for individual EU member states to veto decisions must be scrapped, saying that the 27-member bloc cannot be hamstrung by single hold-outs"
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Your narrative doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Heath in 1970, possibly even Mrs Thatcher in 1979 or even 1987, Major and certainly Mrs May versus "oh Jeremy Corbyn".isam said:
My opinion does dove tail with my narrative quite a lot - what a shocker!Mexicanpete said:
...more likely a financial crash followed by Brexit and Corbyn, but then as that doesn't fit your narrative, I will concede defeat.isam said:
Freedom of Movement + an uncharismatic Labour PM?DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
The garrulous will inherit the earth and the meek receive nothing
You don’t have to concede defeat, different views are allowed0 -
Although it has lead to a huge number of arrests of big players, its actually a big blow that the NW police intelligence unit had a mole, who leaked this to the criminal underworld. At the time, EncroChat and the criminals were totally unaware this was even possible.Sandpit said:
Presumably related to EncroChat, which got hacked by British and French spooks, and led to an awful lot of arrests last year. The authorities were able to read everyone’s messages, and a lot of criminals were very honest about their activities when they thought no-one could read them.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Qantas bit wasn't surprisijg or interesting to me, it was the encrypted phone network.Sandpit said:
Airlines are caught up in this sort of activity quite regularly.FrancisUrquhart said:Qantas 'disturbed' by claims of gang infiltration
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57379984
Wide use of encrypted phones...interesting tit bit, encrochat operation apparently was brought to an early end, because a low level British police intelligence handler that was working in the NW leaked it to local criminals that their network had been comprised.
Usually it’s cabin crew smuggling stuff - they’re not well paid, but are good at putting on a well-dressed face to customs agents. Good mules for the gangs.
https://www.techspot.com/news/85868-police-hack-encrypted-phone-network-used-organize-drug.html0 -
It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.RobD said:
Thanks, I was asking after all.Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.0 -
Our own Meek was really rather garrulous....and yet flounced off with nothing.Mexicanpete said:
...more likely a financial crash followed by Brexit and Corbyn, but then as that doesn't fit your narrative, I will concede defeat.isam said:
Freedom of Movement + an uncharismatic Labour PM?DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
The garrulous will inherit the earth and the meek receive nothing1 -
The answer to every EU problem, more EU.....williamglenn said:"German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said Monday that the right for individual EU member states to veto decisions must be scrapped, saying that the 27-member bloc cannot be hamstrung by single hold-outs"
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Lib Dems going hard on anti-development to try and win Chesham & Amersham by-elex. Quote just out: "Tory plans will allow developers to tarmac over greenbelt sites across the Chilterns without local people having any say, risking irreversible damage to the local environment."
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I never paid much attention to Chavez or rated him. But that is very clever and seductive, ironically disproving its own assertion.kamski said:Fishing said:
Saying "he's a populist" essentially means "he's popular and I don't agree with him" .Monkeys said:
"All individuals are subject to error and seduction, but not the people, which possesses to an eminent degree of consciousness of its own good and the measure of its independence. Because of that its judgement is pure, its will is strong, and none can corrupt or even threaten it."0 -
What he really means is it must be restricted to Germany and maybe, if they behave, France.....williamglenn said:"German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said Monday that the right for individual EU member states to veto decisions must be scrapped, saying that the 27-member bloc cannot be hamstrung by single hold-outs"
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Exactly – vacillation – the government has delayed its decision, which is my point.Malmesbury said:
That was changed back in mid-May, I thought?Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-241252310 -
I presume he is still blastering away on twitter....MarqueeMark said:
Our own Meek was really rather garrulous....and yet flounced off with nothing.Mexicanpete said:
...more likely a financial crash followed by Brexit and Corbyn, but then as that doesn't fit your narrative, I will concede defeat.isam said:
Freedom of Movement + an uncharismatic Labour PM?DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
The garrulous will inherit the earth and the meek receive nothing0 -
I sympathise: I have a close relative in a similar position.Anabobazina said:
It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.RobD said:
Thanks, I was asking after all.Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.
I am slightly taken with your description of “thousands of brides” though: do the grooms not get a postponement as well? What about the weddings which don’t involve a bride?0 -
Inside vs. outside?Anabobazina said:
It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.RobD said:
Thanks, I was asking after all.Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.0 -
Meeks was a great poster, and header writer, and is sorely missed. (A bit crazy over Brexit, I agree, but hey.)MarqueeMark said:
Our own Meek was really rather garrulous....and yet flounced off with nothing.Mexicanpete said:
...more likely a financial crash followed by Brexit and Corbyn, but then as that doesn't fit your narrative, I will concede defeat.isam said:
Freedom of Movement + an uncharismatic Labour PM?DougSeal said:A mere 20 years ago. 9 years later...
The garrulous will inherit the earth and the meek receive nothing0 -
PM wades in now...
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has backed comments made by the Culture Secretary that the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) went "over the top" in suspending bowler Ollie Robinson for historical racist and sexist tweets.
Although it isn't really, it his spokesperson.2 -
LibDems are the home of Nimbyism.FrancisUrquhart said:Lib Dems going hard on anti-development to try and win Chesham & Amersham by-elex. Quote just out: "Tory plans will allow developers to tarmac over greenbelt sites across the Chilterns without local people having any say, risking irreversible damage to the local environment."
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Boris is a liar and a rule breaker, and this drives people who don’t want to be lied to around the bend.isam said:
From the article @dixiedean linked to. Sums up a lot of the thought patterns on here and from those who used to be here but left. If they don’t like someone, they simply can’t compute that others mightFishing said:
Saying "he's a populist" essentially means "he's popular and I don't agree with him" .Monkeys said:
Also, like all popular politicians (the same was true of Blair) the opposing side just can’t seem to figure why they are popular.
Boris’s great “strength” - as that article points out - is optimism and providing voters with a sense of agency. He conveys a sense of impatience with “process” and a comic subversion of “order” which is construed by voters as a sense of action and an identification with the “people” versus the brahmins.
Also he is ideologically blank enough to leave people thinking he might just lean one way or another, this sense of “potentiality” can also be attractive for many.
Instrumentally he is a disaster zone, but most voters don’t look that deeply, and Tory governments* have always had a compliant media who will willingly creating bullshit narrative to maintain the illusion that we are well governed.
*Blair was also able to secure this compliance.5 -
I’d assumed it would turn out to be from the Little Red Book, or even Mien Kampf...TimT said:
I never paid much attention to Chavez or rated him. But that is very clever and seductive, ironically disproving its own assertion.kamski said:Fishing said:
Saying "he's a populist" essentially means "he's popular and I don't agree with him" .Monkeys said:
"All individuals are subject to error and seduction, but not the people, which possesses to an eminent degree of consciousness of its own good and the measure of its independence. Because of that its judgement is pure, its will is strong, and none can corrupt or even threaten it."0 -
Thousands of brides, grooms, best men, maids of honour, bridesmaids, pageboys, mothers-of-the-bride, fathers-of-the-bride, groomsmen and ushers.Fysics_Teacher said:
I sympathise: I have a close relative in a similar position.Anabobazina said:
It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.RobD said:
Thanks, I was asking after all.Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.
I am slightly taken with your description of “thousands of brides” though: do the grooms not get a postponement as well? What about the weddings which don’t involve a bride?0 -
22,500 vs 80.RobD said:
Inside vs. outside?Anabobazina said:
It will be an absolute disaster for the industry – and for thousands of brides nationwide, many of whom are now on their third postponement. My friend has no interest in football, as is asking why Euro 2021 can have 22,500 fans at Wembley, but she cannot have 80 guests at her wedding.RobD said:
Thanks, I was asking after all.Anabobazina said:
Trivially google-able. It’s amazing on here how many posters leap to the government’s defence without checking…RobD said:
I'm asking who promised it. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything, but it might be the keywords I am using.Anabobazina said:
That’s a delay. The weddings industry was promised an update on 24 May. Big problems coming if the government delay…Malmesbury said:
Yes - it was stated previously that the actual decision on the 21st will be announced on the 14th.RobD said:
Vacillation? Wasn't the plan always to decide three weeks after the previous change had been made?Anabobazina said:Any thoughts on allowing full attendances at weddings from 21 June? That is the really big one but has hardly been discussed. A bride friend has to pay her final deposit this week and she's still in the dark thanks to the government's vacillation.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-major-lockdown-weddings-updates-24125231
Anyway, if he said they would be getting 28 days notice in advance, and no notice has been given, that suggests it is unlikely to be given the green light.0 -
And against 5G masts.....MarqueeMark said:
LibDems are the home of Nimbyism.FrancisUrquhart said:Lib Dems going hard on anti-development to try and win Chesham & Amersham by-elex. Quote just out: "Tory plans will allow developers to tarmac over greenbelt sites across the Chilterns without local people having any say, risking irreversible damage to the local environment."
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1401871936767021064?s=20
(yes I know that issue in Bath was blown out of all proportion, although their local MP isn't a good representative for the Lib Dems).1
