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  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scrapheap_as_was said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Much more to come on cabinet reshuffle. including one very major, unexpected change.

    Osborne and Cameron switch jobs?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    MikeP said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Much more to come on cabinet reshuffle. including one very major, unexpected change.

    For Labour's sake I hope it won't be Osborne, Gove or IDS getting sacked.
    What, Osborne, simultaneously the country's most popular politician AND most popular heir-to-a-baronetcy. ;-)
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Scrapheap_as_was said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Much more to come on cabinet reshuffle. including one very major, unexpected change.


    John Major to be Foreign Sec or EU Commisioner?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    How about Hague and Osborne swap jobs?

    Hague rates very well with the public - would be a good idea I think.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Assuming it is Hague, I also assume this will be announced at 9.55-10.05 this evening...
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    oxfordsimon said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    I get a feeling that this reshuffle will be presented in terms of building the team for the second term. Putting in place people who can spend the next 5 years in place.

    Or at least that is how I would present such a major shift in personnel!

    Or 5 years having to watch from the opposition benches as the two Eds implement their vision.
    For that to be possible, the Eds would have to have a vision. Which if they have got, they are keeping very well hidden.
    Well they can implement something, even if it is without vision. I get the feeling, and perhaps I am harsh on such people, that former SPaD wonks that populate much of the leadership groups of our political parties have, even before becoming MPs, spent so much time obsessed over the business of partisan political squabbling, that they don't have as much time for things like vision. They trust that the party they have served professionally without distraction for so long will come up with the right ideas for the country when they are in power, having a coherent ideology or vision before getting into power just draws attention away from the task of winning. Future them can worry about a vision.

  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    oxfordsimon said:

    Solicitor General also leaving the government. So complete shake-up of the Law Officers

    I'm beginning to worry that Stephen Phillips QC is going to be promoted.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    Solicitor General also leaving the government. So complete shake-up of the Law Officers

    I'm beginning to worry that Stephen Phillips QC is going to be promoted.
    Hopefully it'll be Geoffrey Cox QC
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited July 2014
    My phone keeps ringing, Dave - I know you read PB too but I've said no, I don't like red boxes... I prefer pb's yellow ones.

    Stick the FCO job.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    People should use #reshuffle, so all the tweets can be in one place.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    My phone keeps ringings, Dave - I've said no, I don't like red boxes... I prefer pb's yellow ones.

    Stick the FCO job.

    Dave, I take back all those threads and times I've said you're crap.

    You are the modern day Julius Caesar.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MikeL said:

    How about Hague and Osborne swap jobs?

    Hague rates very well with the public - would be a good idea I think.

    Andrew Neil tweets that GO is staying COE.

    Hague to The EU ?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    edited July 2014
    @LordAshcroft: Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if..
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @LordAshcroft: Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if...
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    My phone keeps ringing, Dave - I know you read PB too but I've said no, I don't like red boxes... I prefer pb's yellow ones.

    Stick the FCO job.

    Avery, please photoshop your avatar to have George holding up a yellow box.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Getting ever more likely I reckon.

    Lord Ashcroft‏@LordAshcroft·2 mins
    Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if...
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Oh FFSake Its going to happen isn't it - Obvious 25-1 winner was obvious. Jesus ><
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    Woman Foreign Sec? Who could it be if so?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    Just saw a tweet (obviously not based on any rumour or anything) putting Rees Mogg and minister in the same sentence. While I'd quite enjoy that, I don't think it would go down with the general theme of the reshuffle!
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Pulpstar said:

    Oh FFSake Its going to happen isn't it - Obvious 25-1 winner was obvious. Jesus ><</p>

    Indeed, we remember Hague's speech about Mr. President when Gordon B was the PM, this would all come together nicely if he ended up, not President but not too shabby a role...
  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hopefully it'll be Geoffrey Cox QC

    They need to appoint both the AG and the SC though.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    RobD said:

    Woman Foreign Sec? Who could it be if so?

    Mad Nad.

    or if we're going for box ticking window dressing

    Priti P.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    BETTING POST

    You can get 11/4 on William Hague NOT to be Foreign Sec until the GE

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1477610
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,276
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    RobD said:

    Woman Foreign Sec? Who could it be if so?

    Mad Nad.

    or if we're going for box ticking window dressing

    Priti P.
    She'd be insufferable!
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Bloody hell, looks like Dominic Grieve has been given the heave ho, I'm still fuming at Edward Garnier's axe in 2012

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 50s

    Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen

    Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
    Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
    If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?

    The people stop them. It's called democracy. Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?
    Democracy is the method used to select those who wield power. It doesn't stop them using that power to hurt you. Other countries instal a safeguard to stop them going nuts (that's the function of a constitution), but the UK doesn't have one that fits the definition. Outside agencies like the various european and international courts are the only practical constraints that prevent HMG going Taliban. By removing the remaining constraints from the powerful you're building a machine with only one "stop" button that takes five years to activate. This is inherently unwise.

    An example of a machine that was built without proper safeguards in the last 20 years was the Euro, but we seem to be ignoring that lesson. We seem to be governed by the equivalent of cowboy builders, sawing thru a loadbearing wall.

    As for your second question ("Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?"), the answer is that the ECHR is a passive agency, not a muscle: it can stop you doing something or it can enable you to do something, but it cannot make somebody hurt you. Governments can.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Easterross said:

    HUGE rumours about William Hague. Euro Commissioner? HIs majority is humungous and not UKIP territory.

    It ought to be held, but there would he a huge swing to UKIP in a by-election.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hopefully it'll be Geoffrey Cox QC

    They need to appoint both the AG and the SC though.
    Has Olly Heald gone too?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Sean_F said:

    Easterross said:

    HUGE rumours about William Hague. Euro Commissioner? HIs majority is humungous and not UKIP territory.

    It ought to be held, but there would he a huge swing to UKIP in a by-election.
    Hague nearly lost the by-election in 1989
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    MikeP said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Much more to come on cabinet reshuffle. including one very major, unexpected change.

    For Labour's sake I hope it won't be Osborne, Gove or IDS getting sacked.
    Slightly better, don't give up.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    It is all building up to a 9.55 big announcement - ready to take the 10pm news broadcasts by storm
  • philiph
    philiph Posts: 4,705
    edited July 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Life_ina_market_town said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hopefully it'll be Geoffrey Cox QC

    They need to appoint both the AG and the SC though.
    Has Olly Heald gone too?
    Not shocked by that, I think he has had a health issue of late, according to local press. No idea what.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    FCO would suit him better, I think.

  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    viewcode said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Bloody hell, looks like Dominic Grieve has been given the heave ho, I'm still fuming at Edward Garnier's axe in 2012

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 50s

    Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen

    Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
    Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
    If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?

    The people stop them. It's called democracy. Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?
    Democracy is the method used to select those who wield power. It doesn't stop them using that power to hurt you. Other countries instal a safeguard to stop them going nuts (that's the function of a constitution), but the UK doesn't have one that fits the definition. Outside agencies like the various european and international courts are the only practical constraints that prevent HMG going Taliban. By removing the remaining constraints from the powerful you're building a machine with only one "stop" button that takes five years to activate. This is inherently unwise.

    An example of a machine that was built without proper safeguards in the last 20 years was the Euro, but we seem to be ignoring that lesson. We seem to be governed by the equivalent of cowboy builders, sawing thru a loadbearing wall.

    As for your second question ("Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?"), the answer is that the ECHR is a passive agency, not a muscle: it can stop you doing something or it can enable you to do something, but it cannot make somebody hurt you. Governments can.
    The UK wasn't Taliban prior to adhering to the ECHR or prior to passing the HRA.

    And, if a Taliban-type government were to come to power, I doubt if they'd take much notice of the ECHR.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    oxfordsimon said:

    It is all building up to a 9.55 big announcement - ready to take the 10pm news broadcasts by storm

    You Gov EICIPM will not be on the news will it?
  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Has Olly Heald gone too?

    According to @oxfordsimon below.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Has Olly Heald gone too?

    According to @oxfordsimon below.

    Cheers
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Has Olly Heald gone too?

    According to @oxfordsimon below.

    It is confirmed by a number of sources.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    Would prove 100% that Dave or Ozzie do read PB and have listened to OGH and his ever-so subtle hints re Gove at Education .....
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    May to FS?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Oh Hague can go now.

    Fuck off and don't let the door hit you on the way out - nothing to do with @TSE's tip whatsoever...
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    Where?
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,276
    Sean_F said:

    Easterross said:

    HUGE rumours about William Hague. Euro Commissioner? HIs majority is humungous and not UKIP territory.

    It ought to be held, but there would he a huge swing to UKIP in a by-election.
    It was damn near lost when Hague won it in 1989.
    Conservative William Hague 19,543
    Social Democrat Mike Potter 16,909
    Social and Liberal Democrats Barbara Pearce 11,589

    If the Social Democrats and what turned out to be the Lib Dems could have got their act together William Hague would have to wait until the next General Election.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Jane Merrick ‏@janemerrick23 7m

    If you put May in Foreign, you could then put Gove at Home Office. Too big a power/chum to not want one of the top 3 #nightofthelongdives

    Greg Callus ‏@Greg_Callus 13m

    Is there really any question that if Hague retires, Gove will become Foreign Sec? I thought that was a given?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    May to FS?
    Yes
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,740
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    Would prove 100% that Dave or Ozzie do read PB and have listened to OGH and his ever-so subtle hints re Gove at Education .....
    If you are of the opinion that Gove is a massive vote loser, isn't the damage already done?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Rumours that Gove could become Home or Foreign Sec

    Would prove 100% that Dave or Ozzie do read PB and have listened to OGH and his ever-so subtle hints re Gove at Education .....
    If you are of the opinion that Gove is a massive vote loser, isn't the damage already done?
    Worth a try to fix it, is I would assume the thinking if a move is on the cards.

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,740
    edited July 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.

    I don't understand what the thinking is behind bringing back Fox.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.

    I don't buy Hague as Leader of the House at all. No.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.

    I don't understand what is the thinking is behind bringing back Fox.
    I don't understand it either.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Surely better to put Gove at Foreign where he is more out of the public eye?
  • justin124
    justin124 Posts: 11,527
    re-ICM. I recall that a week before polling day the Tories became quite excited when the Labour lead dropped to 5% with ICM. Even their final poll showed a lead of 10% compared with the 13% outcome. That year they were the only polling company to understate the Labour lead.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    edited July 2014
    Ashcroft -- Lansley out, which frees up the house.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,276
    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.

    I don't buy Hague as Leader of the House at all. No.
    That's the route Robin Cook took.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Please no re Dr Fox...

    I suppose it's to counter Owen P going?

    I'd have thought my man, Ken C leaving would have been enough.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Hague is the Party's best person on TV after Cameron.

    So could make sense to give him low key job - make him available for more prominent TV role.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    OldKingCole said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.

    I don't buy Hague as Leader of the House at all. No.
    That's the route Robin Cook took.
    It might well be - but it still doesn't feel right for him.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 1m

    I am told by top source that we should prepare for a big change at the top of government. Hague, May or Hammond.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited July 2014
    Gove as Foreign Sec would be interesting given he's already stated he would leave the EU as things currently stand Re. our relationship with Europe.

    Would shake things up at The Office I'm sure...
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 2m
    I am told by top source that we should prepare for a big change at the top of government. Hague, May or Hammond.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest McARSE Scottish Referendum Projection Countdown :

    11 hours 11 minutes 11 seconds
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TSE is going to be 'even' more unbearable ....
  • justin124
    justin124 Posts: 11,527
    My last comment related to 1997!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    The last Tory PM to demote their Foreign Secretary to Leader of the House was toppled as PM a year later by that former Foreign Sec
  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    Given some of the other changes, should we expect that arch federalist David Lidlington to be moved as Minister of State for Europe?
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    GeoffM said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Bloody hell, looks like Dominic Grieve has been given the heave ho, I'm still fuming at Edward Garnier's axe in 2012

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 50s

    Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen

    Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
    Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
    If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?

    You are right. We were savages before the ECHR saved us from ourselves. Disembowelling random passers-by for fun. And on Sundays, too! Oh the inhumanity of it all.
    So presumably you wouldn't object if there was a piece of paper somewhere that said "Disembowelling passers-by, whether randomly or non-randomly, regardless of motive, is wrong and you cannot do it", and that the government couldn't ignore that piece of paper?...

    ...but you see where I'm going with this.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TSE is going to be 'even' more unbearable ....

    Why?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    I thought the rumour was that Hague would stay as Foreign Sec until election, then leave government and should Tories form next government Osborne would go to Foreign Office?
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited July 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TSE is going to be 'even' more unbearable ....

    Why?
    I thought you'd been mentioned as having tipped Hague for the Euro gig at 25-1 earlier?
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paul Goodman ‏@PaulGoodmanCH 26s

    Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.

    I don't buy Hague as Leader of the House at all. No.
    LotH could either free him up for media time - or allow him to be nominated for EUC without requiring a major reshuffle.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    edited July 2014
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TSE is going to be 'even' more unbearable ....

    Why?
    I thought you'd been mentioned as having tipped Hague for the Euro gig at 25-1 earlier?
    I was a Michael Howard man
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    Ian Dale suggesting Hague may be standing down as MP too (unclear if he means now, or at election!)
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited July 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The last Tory PM to demote their Foreign Secretary to Leader of the House was toppled as PM a year later by that former Foreign Sec

    Difference here though is that Hague seem's to want to quit front-line politics. Or at least take more of a back seat...

    Personally I don't think Hague will be leader of the house. Think he'll go to backbenches and then leave Parliament next year, personally...

  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    viewcode said:

    GeoffM said:

    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Bloody hell, looks like Dominic Grieve has been given the heave ho, I'm still fuming at Edward Garnier's axe in 2012

    Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 50s

    Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen

    Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
    Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
    If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?

    You are right. We were savages before the ECHR saved us from ourselves. Disembowelling random passers-by for fun. And on Sundays, too! Oh the inhumanity of it all.
    So presumably you wouldn't object if there was a piece of paper somewhere that said "Disembowelling passers-by, whether randomly or non-randomly, regardless of motive, is wrong and you cannot do it", and that the government couldn't ignore that piece of paper?...

    ...but you see where I'm going with this.
    Yes I see exactly where you are going with this - in to full scale trolling mode.
    However, with apologies, I can't be bothered to bite a second time.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three points: CON 35%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 10%
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    I've been commissioned to write the reshuffle thread.

    If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    YouGov:

    Con +2, UKIP -2
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Well wrong on 2 counts today. Firstly I thought ICM would show an increased labour lead and secondly I predicted that the reshuffle would be dull. I think I should stick to bringing ruin on the English cricket team.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Life_ina_market_town said:

    Given some of the other changes, should we expect that arch federalist David Lidlington to be moved as Minister of State for Europe?

    He was here in Gib last week spreading platitudes and weasel words.
    It'd be wonderful to see the back of him.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited July 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've been commissioned to write the reshuffle thread.

    If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.

    I don't buy Dr Fox as Foreign Sec. Not after what happened. Leader of the house or defence sec maybe. Or environment, trasnsport, etc... But I don't think Cameron would risk him in one of the Big Four. Yet.

  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've been commissioned to write the reshuffle thread.

    If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.

    Can't believe he'd get the FFS position.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've been commissioned to write the reshuffle thread.

    If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.

    The wrong Dr Fox!

    You want fox in sox sir!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    If it was going to lead at 10, wouldn't we have heard something by now?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    Hague standing down, confirmed by Cameron.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Tonights YG LAB 341 CON 267 LD 16 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Looks like UKIP now falling rapidly.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Incoming

    Chris Ship‏@chrisshipitv·2 mins
    At 10 @tombradby will have some BIG #reshuffle news. For once - it'll actually be a name most people will have heard of... @itvnews next
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 23s
    1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.

    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 9s
    2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.

    I spoke too soon!!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Hague gone.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    RobD said:

    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 23s
    1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.

    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 9s
    2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.

    I spoke too soon!!

    So did I - but there we are.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,740
    edited July 2014
    Another (at this stage reported) casualty: Environment Minister Owen Paterson.

    I hear badgers are rejoicing, that was after they put down the goal posts that they were shifting.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I've been commissioned to write the reshuffle thread.

    If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.

    The wrong Dr Fox!

    You want fox in sox sir!
    Given a straight choice it is yours every time
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    Hague won't be commissioner. Still hope for Howard!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,610
    edited July 2014
    Hm I suppose first women bishops in 500 years does kinda beat a Cabinet reshuffle... but hmpf.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    RobD said:

    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 23s
    1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.

    David Cameron ‏@David_Cameron 9s
    2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.

    I spoke too soon!!

    Thanks for everything William. Enjoy your retirement (next year)
  • Life_ina_market_town
    Life_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    Hammond to FCO, according to ITN.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Another (at this stage reported) casualty: Environment Minister Owen Paterson.

    I hear badgers are rejoicing.

    And they are not alone.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Hague "key campaigning role" - very good news!
  • MikeP
    MikeP Posts: 47
    Ah shame, Hague was a massive failure and clearly useless at any job he tried, but at least he wasn't as much of an electoral liability as Gove Osborne or IDS.
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