I get a feeling that this reshuffle will be presented in terms of building the team for the second term. Putting in place people who can spend the next 5 years in place.
Or at least that is how I would present such a major shift in personnel!
Or 5 years having to watch from the opposition benches as the two Eds implement their vision.
For that to be possible, the Eds would have to have a vision. Which if they have got, they are keeping very well hidden.
Well they can implement something, even if it is without vision. I get the feeling, and perhaps I am harsh on such people, that former SPaD wonks that populate much of the leadership groups of our political parties have, even before becoming MPs, spent so much time obsessed over the business of partisan political squabbling, that they don't have as much time for things like vision. They trust that the party they have served professionally without distraction for so long will come up with the right ideas for the country when they are in power, having a coherent ideology or vision before getting into power just draws attention away from the task of winning. Future them can worry about a vision.
@LordAshcroft: Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if..
@LordAshcroft: Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if...
Lord Ashcroft@LordAshcroft·2 mins Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if...
Just saw a tweet (obviously not based on any rumour or anything) putting Rees Mogg and minister in the same sentence. While I'd quite enjoy that, I don't think it would go down with the general theme of the reshuffle!
Oh FFSake Its going to happen isn't it - Obvious 25-1 winner was obvious. Jesus ><</p>
Indeed, we remember Hague's speech about Mr. President when Gordon B was the PM, this would all come together nicely if he ended up, not President but not too shabby a role...
Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen
Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?
The people stop them. It's called democracy. Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?
Democracy is the method used to select those who wield power. It doesn't stop them using that power to hurt you. Other countries instal a safeguard to stop them going nuts (that's the function of a constitution), but the UK doesn't have one that fits the definition. Outside agencies like the various european and international courts are the only practical constraints that prevent HMG going Taliban. By removing the remaining constraints from the powerful you're building a machine with only one "stop" button that takes five years to activate. This is inherently unwise.
An example of a machine that was built without proper safeguards in the last 20 years was the Euro, but we seem to be ignoring that lesson. We seem to be governed by the equivalent of cowboy builders, sawing thru a loadbearing wall.
As for your second question ("Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?"), the answer is that the ECHR is a passive agency, not a muscle: it can stop you doing something or it can enable you to do something, but it cannot make somebody hurt you. Governments can.
Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen
Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?
The people stop them. It's called democracy. Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?
Democracy is the method used to select those who wield power. It doesn't stop them using that power to hurt you. Other countries instal a safeguard to stop them going nuts (that's the function of a constitution), but the UK doesn't have one that fits the definition. Outside agencies like the various european and international courts are the only practical constraints that prevent HMG going Taliban. By removing the remaining constraints from the powerful you're building a machine with only one "stop" button that takes five years to activate. This is inherently unwise.
An example of a machine that was built without proper safeguards in the last 20 years was the Euro, but we seem to be ignoring that lesson. We seem to be governed by the equivalent of cowboy builders, sawing thru a loadbearing wall.
As for your second question ("Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?"), the answer is that the ECHR is a passive agency, not a muscle: it can stop you doing something or it can enable you to do something, but it cannot make somebody hurt you. Governments can.
The UK wasn't Taliban prior to adhering to the ECHR or prior to passing the HRA.
And, if a Taliban-type government were to come to power, I doubt if they'd take much notice of the ECHR.
HUGE rumours about William Hague. Euro Commissioner? HIs majority is humungous and not UKIP territory.
It ought to be held, but there would he a huge swing to UKIP in a by-election.
It was damn near lost when Hague won it in 1989. Conservative William Hague 19,543 Social Democrat Mike Potter 16,909 Social and Liberal Democrats Barbara Pearce 11,589
If the Social Democrats and what turned out to be the Lib Dems could have got their act together William Hague would have to wait until the next General Election.
re-ICM. I recall that a week before polling day the Tories became quite excited when the Labour lead dropped to 5% with ICM. Even their final poll showed a lead of 10% compared with the 13% outcome. That year they were the only polling company to understate the Labour lead.
Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen
Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?
You are right. We were savages before the ECHR saved us from ourselves. Disembowelling random passers-by for fun. And on Sundays, too! Oh the inhumanity of it all.
So presumably you wouldn't object if there was a piece of paper somewhere that said "Disembowelling passers-by, whether randomly or non-randomly, regardless of motive, is wrong and you cannot do it", and that the government couldn't ignore that piece of paper?...
I thought the rumour was that Hague would stay as Foreign Sec until election, then leave government and should Tories form next government Osborne would go to Foreign Office?
Strange to see Dominic Grieve, attorney general, leaving Cameron office at 6pm looking crestfallen
Why do you think he went? I'd have thought he was on the same wavelength as Cameron.
Grieve is in favour of the ECHR, I think the new Tory policy will be to be anti ECHR, and so the new justice and Law Officers team will be proper Euro-sceptics wanting repatriate powers back and enshrine the Supremacy of our laws over European laws.
If so, 'tis a pity. A government that's bound only by its own conscience is a disaster waiting to happen. Even if they are doing it for the finest of motives, it's still making themselves into tinpot gods. If Parliament is supreme...who stops them when they decide to start hurting people for fun?
You are right. We were savages before the ECHR saved us from ourselves. Disembowelling random passers-by for fun. And on Sundays, too! Oh the inhumanity of it all.
So presumably you wouldn't object if there was a piece of paper somewhere that said "Disembowelling passers-by, whether randomly or non-randomly, regardless of motive, is wrong and you cannot do it", and that the government couldn't ignore that piece of paper?...
...but you see where I'm going with this.
Yes I see exactly where you are going with this - in to full scale trolling mode. However, with apologies, I can't be bothered to bite a second time.
Well wrong on 2 counts today. Firstly I thought ICM would show an increased labour lead and secondly I predicted that the reshuffle would be dull. I think I should stick to bringing ruin on the English cricket team.
I've been commissioned to write the reshuffle thread.
If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.
I don't buy Dr Fox as Foreign Sec. Not after what happened. Leader of the house or defence sec maybe. Or environment, trasnsport, etc... But I don't think Cameron would risk him in one of the Big Four. Yet.
Chris Ship@chrisshipitv·2 mins At 10 @tombradby will have some BIG #reshuffle news. For once - it'll actually be a name most people will have heard of... @itvnews next
David Cameron @David_Cameron 23s 1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.
David Cameron @David_Cameron 9s 2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.
David Cameron @David_Cameron 23s 1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.
David Cameron @David_Cameron 9s 2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.
David Cameron @David_Cameron 23s 1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.
David Cameron @David_Cameron 9s 2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.
I spoke too soon!!
Thanks for everything William. Enjoy your retirement (next year)
Ah shame, Hague was a massive failure and clearly useless at any job he tried, but at least he wasn't as much of an electoral liability as Gove Osborne or IDS.
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John Major to be Foreign Sec or EU Commisioner?
Hague rates very well with the public - would be a good idea I think.
Stick the FCO job.
You are the modern day Julius Caesar.
Hague to The EU ?
Lord Ashcroft@LordAshcroft·2 mins
Hague has no ambition to lead the Tory Party again so what is left in Govt for him? His stage is now the world's so don't be surprised if...
or if we're going for box ticking window dressing
Priti P.
You can get 11/4 on William Hague NOT to be Foreign Sec until the GE
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1477610
An example of a machine that was built without proper safeguards in the last 20 years was the Euro, but we seem to be ignoring that lesson. We seem to be governed by the equivalent of cowboy builders, sawing thru a loadbearing wall.
As for your second question ("Who stops the ECHR hurting people for fun?"), the answer is that the ECHR is a passive agency, not a muscle: it can stop you doing something or it can enable you to do something, but it cannot make somebody hurt you. Governments can.
And, if a Taliban-type government were to come to power, I doubt if they'd take much notice of the ECHR.
Fuck off and don't let the door hit you on the way out - nothing to do with @TSE's tip whatsoever...
Conservative William Hague 19,543
Social Democrat Mike Potter 16,909
Social and Liberal Democrats Barbara Pearce 11,589
If the Social Democrats and what turned out to be the Lib Dems could have got their act together William Hague would have to wait until the next General Election.
If you put May in Foreign, you could then put Gove at Home Office. Too big a power/chum to not want one of the top 3 #nightofthelongdives
Greg Callus @Greg_Callus 13m
Is there really any question that if Hague retires, Gove will become Foreign Sec? I thought that was a given?
Am told that Hague is going to Leader of the House and that Fox is definitely back. May be wrong - but source is strong.
I suppose it's to counter Owen P going?
I'd have thought my man, Ken C leaving would have been enough.
So could make sense to give him low key job - make him available for more prominent TV role.
I am told by top source that we should prepare for a big change at the top of government. Hague, May or Hammond.
Would shake things up at The Office I'm sure...
I am told by top source that we should prepare for a big change at the top of government. Hague, May or Hammond.
11 hours 11 minutes 11 seconds
...but you see where I'm going with this.
Personally I don't think Hague will be leader of the house. Think he'll go to backbenches and then leave Parliament next year, personally...
However, with apologies, I can't be bothered to bite a second time.
If Liam Fox is back, and back as Foreign Secretary, expect a lot of swear words in my piece.
Con +2, UKIP -2
It'd be wonderful to see the back of him.
You want fox in sox sir!
Ed is crap is PM
Chris Ship@chrisshipitv·2 mins
At 10 @tombradby will have some BIG #reshuffle news. For once - it'll actually be a name most people will have heard of... @itvnews next
1/2 I'd like to pay an enormous tribute to @WilliamJHague who is standing down as an MP at the next election.
David Cameron @David_Cameron 9s
2/2 Until then, I'm delighted he'll remain my de facto political deputy, play a key campaigning role and be Leader of the House of Commons.
I spoke too soon!!
I hear badgers are rejoicing, that was after they put down the goal posts that they were shifting.