After a disappointing set of results for LAB one figure appears to have bucked the trend – political
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If seeking to throw your weight around make sure you stick the landing.Taz said:
This is a complete shambles, it is making Starmer look incredibly weak.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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I think it's because they're brothers.YBarddCwsc said:
You missed out lost Scotland, which also happened on his watch.BluestBlue said:This might be a good moment to remind everyone of the identity of the true villain of the last decade of epic Labour mismanagement: Ed Miliband. Not content with ballsing up the job himself and gifting David Cameron an unlikely majority, he changed the leadership rules to allow the party to be taken over by entryist loons, and, oh yes, guided a certain retiring Director of Public Prosecutions into a safe Labour seat...
The awe in which the Milibands (David or Ed) is held by some people is a complete mystery to me.0 -
3 times average salary isnt enough already to attract working and lower middle class people? Frankly most of our mps are thick as mince. Yes they may be well educated but that just means they know a lot about a narrow slice of knowledge, but they have less common sense than a dead herring. Sadly though they then go on to pontificate about stuff with absolutely no knowledge of the subject because their degree or phd gives them and over inflated sense of their own intelligence. For an extreme example I point at Macron and his I have trained my self in epidemiolgy schtickLeon said:
More money, Is the only way. We can't stop harsh criticism and social media aggression in a democracyFrankBooth said:
They are already in the top 1 or 2% of earners believe it or not. Is the salary the major downside? I suspect it is more the lifestyle and demands of being a politician that people don't want. Something we all ought to consider. How can we make it more appealing?Leon said:
Personally, I would double or triple MPs wages, and do the same for ministers or prime ministers. Let the Prime Minister of the UK earn £300,000 a year. He's running an entire country. And a big important country, at that. CEOs of minor charities earn more than the present PM. It is ridiculous. Little Davey Miliband earns £1m in a charity at NYC - and he's utterly uselessTaz said:
Absolutely,right. Also with advance fares you can get it cheaper,than std class.Leon said:
I support Angela Rayner hereeek said:
I usually justify the quieter carriage and a guaranteed table for workingTheScreamingEagles said:
Better than that, plebs and oiks, which is why I travel first class.tlg86 said:
First class protects you from psychopathic killers?Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
but that doesn't work when you have to be one for the people (and you can only claim second class if on Parliamentary business / expenses). Which is why the local MPs now fly down..
FFS she's the deputy leader of the Opposition. So she travels first class on a British train, for the very good reason that it is easier to work there?
On First Class you don't get endless free champagne and a selection of the finest charcuterie, this is not Emirates Airways from London to Sydney. You get a bigger seat, a quieter carriage and more space to work. And a free coffee. And that's it
The constant demand that our MPs must live the most humble lives possible is tedious and self defeating. We want smart, talented people to become MPs, which is often a thankless, unstable and boring job - so we need to give them a damn good salary and the means to do the job well. And for God's sake don't quibble about train classes
It’s a petty criticism.
We are saddled with inept mediocrities at Westminster because that's the level of salary we offer, the kind of wages that attracts awkward incompetents. Westminster used to get round this by the huge expenses-fiddling nonsense but that's been rumbled, so now the MPs really are reduced to pretty crap wages (by the standards of high powered London jobs) - so we need to increase the wages
We want to attract the best people to a tough demanding job where they will face fierce criticism daily. Who is going to do that for £80k a year if they can earn three or five times that elsewhere?
We have just 600-odd MPs. Pay Them Well so we get Lots of Smart People
So pay them REALLY well. Insulate them with cash and attract the best talent around
Giving every MP £150k a year would cost us £97m a year
Not a small sum but compared to the £300bn we have just spent on Covid in 12 months, it is tiny little peanuts
More importantly, it would attract working and lower middle class people to have a go. People with talent who also need to make really good money - and have the ability to do so0 -
Like no one could have predicted the backlash.Taz said:
This is a complete shambles, it is making Starmer look incredibly weak.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1391139439716483074
Jeez.
"The working class are turning against us and flocking to Johnson"
"Right, here's the response. Let's find some genuine working class MPs and sack them."1 -
What amuses me, is that if such people set up multiple layers of companies, each contracting working to the next and taking a profit. And then at least had the gumption to leave the ownership of a couple of levels to other people....Casino_Royale said:
These were self-employed sole-traders, not big multi-nationals.another_richard said:
I'm sure we're all amazed to discover that people connected to multi billion infrastructure spending aren't honest in their billing.Casino_Royale said:
The thrill. People who do it secretly feel they don't have the power they feel they should have; this gives them that feeling because they're pulling the wool over the eyes of their boss and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is my mentality, I couldn't do anything illegal because it is a career ender for me and the scandal would kill my mother.Northern_Al said:
1. Employee pockets an extra c.£1,000 a month through fraud.TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
2. You think that it's a "really strange thing" that they're not in debt? Thieves often aren't.
For me it is a case of why take the risk? As I said we do credit checks on certain employees, and it showed he had close to six figures in savings.
Why would anyone risk their career, the wellbeing of their family for this?
We had to sack three contractors at Crossrail who were double-charging their timesheets, booking five days a week to us and five days a week to another client in Toronto at the same time.
Some people think they can lose their fraud in a big budget, yes, but they eventually get found out.
Why, they would be captains of industry.0 -
Just when you thought Labour's fortunes couldn't go any lower.....Starmer bends down and opens up a trapdoor.Taz said:
This is a complete shambles, it is making Starmer look incredibly weak.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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Some get found out.Casino_Royale said:
These were self-employed sole-traders, not big multi-nationals.another_richard said:
I'm sure we're all amazed to discover that people connected to multi billion infrastructure spending aren't honest in their billing.Casino_Royale said:
The thrill. People who do it secretly feel they don't have the power they feel they should have; this gives them that feeling because they're pulling the wool over the eyes of their boss and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is my mentality, I couldn't do anything illegal because it is a career ender for me and the scandal would kill my mother.Northern_Al said:
1. Employee pockets an extra c.£1,000 a month through fraud.TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
2. You think that it's a "really strange thing" that they're not in debt? Thieves often aren't.
For me it is a case of why take the risk? As I said we do credit checks on certain employees, and it showed he had close to six figures in savings.
Why would anyone risk their career, the wellbeing of their family for this?
We had to sack three contractors at Crossrail who were double-charging their timesheets, booking five days a week to us and five days a week to another client in Toronto at the same time.
Some people think they can lose their fraud in a big budget, yes, but they eventually get found out.
The ones that don't get found out you never hear about.1 -
In my first year after University, a few of my friends ended up working for Accenture, and were put on a big project in Newcastle. This meant they all got First Class Open Returns between Newcastle and London.Charles said:
How were they caught?TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
Quite a lot of them would do as TSE recounts and buy the ticket, submit the receipt, and then get a refund. It probably doubled the disposable income of a 22 year old.
But it was also fundamentally dishonest.0 -
But no longer boring.Taz said:
This is a complete shambles, it is making Starmer look incredibly weak.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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Starmer is making May seem strong and stable ......1
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Fair point, but I think it is the tweeting journalists who need to be careful, not us. As far as I know there has been no announcement on reshuffles or any other matter from the Labour Party, so it is the journalists who are spreading gossip/hearsay.FrankBooth said:I know it is late in the day but I think people ought to be a little careful in what they are saying. We all know how 'rumours' get spread about in politics for cynical reasons and without any substance.
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Which part of the journey? The London-Doncaster fast bit, or the Doncaster-Bradford bit where you can watch the snails whizz by?RochdalePioneers said:
To be authentic Starmer needs to be conducting the reshuffle from the vestibule of a Grand Central service from London to Bradford.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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"Behind every great fortune there is a crime." - Balzacanother_richard said:
Some get found out.Casino_Royale said:
These were self-employed sole-traders, not big multi-nationals.another_richard said:
I'm sure we're all amazed to discover that people connected to multi billion infrastructure spending aren't honest in their billing.Casino_Royale said:
The thrill. People who do it secretly feel they don't have the power they feel they should have; this gives them that feeling because they're pulling the wool over the eyes of their boss and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is my mentality, I couldn't do anything illegal because it is a career ender for me and the scandal would kill my mother.Northern_Al said:
1. Employee pockets an extra c.£1,000 a month through fraud.TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
2. You think that it's a "really strange thing" that they're not in debt? Thieves often aren't.
For me it is a case of why take the risk? As I said we do credit checks on certain employees, and it showed he had close to six figures in savings.
Why would anyone risk their career, the wellbeing of their family for this?
We had to sack three contractors at Crossrail who were double-charging their timesheets, booking five days a week to us and five days a week to another client in Toronto at the same time.
Some people think they can lose their fraud in a big budget, yes, but they eventually get found out.
The ones that don't get found out you never hear about.
Edit - "Also behind many lesser fortunes." - SSI0 -
Having a bit of weight might help too.kle4 said:
If seeking to throw your weight around make sure you stick the landing.Taz said:
This is a complete shambles, it is making Starmer look incredibly weak.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/13911394397164830740 -
"Rachael Burford
@RachaelBurford
Reason for the delay here at the City & East - staff found three unopened boxes of votes after everything else had been counted"
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I fear he's going to try and do a Tony Blair whilst being a Keir Starmer.Scott_xP said:Pandemonium across the Shadow Cabinet tonight following Angela Rayner's sacking and the demotion briefings. "Cannot understand the logic of doing it on a Saturday night like this", one source within it says. Former supporters unclear what Keir Starmer's plan is, or if he has one.
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It's a rubbish appointment. As I've said many times, focus groups are useful for honing a message and finding good ways of pitching policy ideas, not for leading policy making. It's clear that Labour are conducting politics by focus group. A better leader would have come out strongly against all of the anti-democratic stuff in the virus bills rather than meekly go along becuase a few focus groups said that it would be bad to oppose the government on it.CorrectHorseBattery said:That pollster is an interesting appointment
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This is like watching astroturf dry.bigjohnowls said:0 -
If only.BluestBlue said:BREAKING:
The Labour Party.1 -
But if Starmer were to be at it too, it would rather cut off at the knees those who use it to expose Boris' lack of ethics....kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.1 -
See my post of 9.41pm.Charles said:
How were they caught?TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.0 -
Presumably the “contingency” boxes if things were a little closer than they are.Andy_JS said:"Rachael Burford
@RachaelBurford
Reason for the delay here at the City & East - staff found three unopened boxes of votes after everything else had been counted"
https://twitter.com/RachaelBurford/status/1391135003401142281
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A few weeks back I said that I thought that at the next GE labour would on net lose a few seats. I grow ever more confident that I was rightMarqueeMark said:
Just when you thought Labour's fortunes couldn't go any lower.....Starmer bends down and opens up a trapdoor.Taz said:
This is a complete shambles, it is making Starmer look incredibly weak.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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Oh God, we even have the speech of the elected Assembly Member now
He will try to be brief, he promises.0 -
She clearly followed my tip.Casino_Royale said:She actually tweeted this?
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"Chris is a voice of sanity.... He tries to keep calm. And something else. "
"..difficult circumstances, the weather.."
he is rumbling unconnected lines0 -
Fucking lots of women is intrinsically bad and immoral?kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
lol
It's a point of view I guess. But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"0 -
I suspect a meeting run late or early and a colleague found it strange they waited for their booked train rather than the one the first available one.Charles said:
How were they caught?TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.0 -
Baggage holdRochdalePioneers said:
To be authentic Starmer needs to be conducting the reshuffle from the vestibule of a Grand Central service from London to Bradford.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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"the best part of London: City and East London!"1
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Nicola Murray and her aid bailed from the train at Brighouse, so the bit after Donny. Once they found out that Big Ben Swain was on manuevers.Stuartinromford said:
Which part of the journey? The London-Doncaster fast bit, or the Doncaster-Bradford bit where you can watch the snails whizz by?RochdalePioneers said:
To be authentic Starmer needs to be conducting the reshuffle from the vestibule of a Grand Central service from London to Bradford.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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Just you lot wait until the GP in Germany win the election.Floater said:
New keyboard pleaseTaz said:
Bareback to basics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I still wonder what would have happened if news of Major's affair had broken in the middle of back to basics.Benpointer said:
Don't be ridiculous. You'll be telling me John Major once had a affair next!Northern_Al said:Just imagine the Tory delight on here if it were Starmer, rather than Boris, who was brought down by a sex scandal. It would be quite something.
Leader Annalena Baerbock, former trampolinist. To the German Press - Bouncing Baerbock.
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I don't think the City & East returning officer gave the second preferences for mayor.0
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The LDs and Greens must be cursing their luck that we didn't get a general election featuring Theresa May and Keir Starmer as leaders of the two main parties.5
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Depends what they were dying of though.Leon said:
Fucking lots of women is intrinsically bad and immoral?kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
lol
It's a point of view I guess. But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"4 -
Did they run sacking Rayner through the focus group this morning?MaxPB said:
It's a rubbish appointment. As I've said many times, focus groups are useful for honing a message and finding good ways of pitching policy ideas, not for leading policy making. It's clear that Labour are conducting politics by focus group. A better leader would have come out strongly against all of the anti-democratic stuff in the virus bills rather than meekly go along becuase a few focus groups said that it would be bad to oppose the government on it.CorrectHorseBattery said:That pollster is an interesting appointment
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Well, at least GC use Class 180s instead of 800sRochdalePioneers said:
To be authentic Starmer needs to be conducting the reshuffle from the vestibule of a Grand Central service from London to Bradford.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1391139439716483074
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Why is he shouting now?0
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Unfair.MarqueeMark said:
The company wasn't losing out, as it was prepared to pay £360.TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
The person sacked should have been in Accounts, for not buying £25 advance tickets.
In this profession, pre plague, you can go to the office at 8am and find out that you have meetings in London or Edinburgh in the afternoon, so it is easier for the person travelling to buy their tickets then reclaim the expense.
Accounts were shown proof of purchase of the open ticket, usually an email and photocopy of the ticket, with proof of payment.
The company has lost out because it has paid for meetings to overrun but the meetings weren't allowed to overrun by the employee has done bad things.1 -
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Taken out by Ollie.RochdalePioneers said:Nicola Murray and her aid bailed from the train at Brighouse, so the bit after Donny. Once they found out that Big Ben Swain was on manuevers.
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It's fraud, pure and simple. It's the sort of thing that other people get sent to jail for. Tax fraud as well as a fraud on their employer.rcs1000 said:
In my first year after University, a few of my friends ended up working for Accenture, and were put on a big project in Newcastle. This meant they all got First Class Open Returns between Newcastle and London.Charles said:
How were they caught?TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
Quite a lot of them would do as TSE recounts and buy the ticket, submit the receipt, and then get a refund. It probably doubled the disposable income of a 22 year old.
But it was also fundamentally dishonest.1 -
They might if they died of syphilis.Leon said:
Fucking lots of women is intrinsically bad and immoral?kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
lol
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One awaits the day when you utter a sentiment about anybody or anything which is not infused with mean spirited contempt and bumpkin ignorance.Pagan2 said:
3 times average salary isnt enough already to attract working and lower middle class people? Frankly most of our mps are thick as mince. Yes they may be well educated but that just means they know a lot about a narrow slice of knowledge, but they have less common sense than a dead herring. Sadly though they then go on to pontificate about stuff with absolutely no knowledge of the subject because their degree or phd gives them and over inflated sense of their own intelligence. For an extreme example I point at Macron and his I have trained my self in epidemiolgy schtickLeon said:
More money, Is the only way. We can't stop harsh criticism and social media aggression in a democracyFrankBooth said:
They are already in the top 1 or 2% of earners believe it or not. Is the salary the major downside? I suspect it is more the lifestyle and demands of being a politician that people don't want. Something we all ought to consider. How can we make it more appealing?Leon said:
Personally, I would double or triple MPs wages, and do the same for ministers or prime ministers. Let the Prime Minister of the UK earn £300,000 a year. He's running an entire country. And a big important country, at that. CEOs of minor charities earn more than the present PM. It is ridiculous. Little Davey Miliband earns £1m in a charity at NYC - and he's utterly uselessTaz said:
Absolutely,right. Also with advance fares you can get it cheaper,than std class.Leon said:
I support Angela Rayner hereeek said:
I usually justify the quieter carriage and a guaranteed table for workingTheScreamingEagles said:
Better than that, plebs and oiks, which is why I travel first class.tlg86 said:
First class protects you from psychopathic killers?Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
but that doesn't work when you have to be one for the people (and you can only claim second class if on Parliamentary business / expenses). Which is why the local MPs now fly down..
FFS she's the deputy leader of the Opposition. So she travels first class on a British train, for the very good reason that it is easier to work there?
On First Class you don't get endless free champagne and a selection of the finest charcuterie, this is not Emirates Airways from London to Sydney. You get a bigger seat, a quieter carriage and more space to work. And a free coffee. And that's it
The constant demand that our MPs must live the most humble lives possible is tedious and self defeating. We want smart, talented people to become MPs, which is often a thankless, unstable and boring job - so we need to give them a damn good salary and the means to do the job well. And for God's sake don't quibble about train classes
It’s a petty criticism.
We are saddled with inept mediocrities at Westminster because that's the level of salary we offer, the kind of wages that attracts awkward incompetents. Westminster used to get round this by the huge expenses-fiddling nonsense but that's been rumbled, so now the MPs really are reduced to pretty crap wages (by the standards of high powered London jobs) - so we need to increase the wages
We want to attract the best people to a tough demanding job where they will face fierce criticism daily. Who is going to do that for £80k a year if they can earn three or five times that elsewhere?
We have just 600-odd MPs. Pay Them Well so we get Lots of Smart People
So pay them REALLY well. Insulate them with cash and attract the best talent around
Giving every MP £150k a year would cost us £97m a year
Not a small sum but compared to the £300bn we have just spent on Covid in 12 months, it is tiny little peanuts
More importantly, it would attract working and lower middle class people to have a go. People with talent who also need to make really good money - and have the ability to do so
Most MPs are NOT thick as mince.
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The Tories have lost 10 seats there - but it barely dents their huge majority. In other councils, they wold have lost control.kle4 said:
Even though it is now 147, not being shadow anymore, marquemark's point is a fair one, as while there isn't an actual rule to reduce council's in size it usually happens when they are reviewed, and while it was a new one there are very few councils over 100, only one other now if I recall right, and it is significantly above any other.TheScreamingEagles said:
200 councillors.MarqueeMark said:How in the name of everything fucking holy does Buckinghamshire have 147 Councillors? That must be one for every road....
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Mary Lou must have had a punt and all.Alistair said:
She clearly followed my tip.Casino_Royale said:She actually tweeted this?
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1391109345941860353?s=20
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Probably not, though they probably used to claim they thought that, when seeking to be absolved for their sinful life on their deathbeds. Those priests will buy anything.Leon said:
But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
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His bit to camera yesterday was pure IDS turning up the volume....rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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180s have an unfortunate habit of self combusting.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well, at least GC use Class 180s instead of 800sRochdalePioneers said:
To be authentic Starmer needs to be conducting the reshuffle from the vestibule of a Grand Central service from London to Bradford.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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Miliband critiique of British capitalism's iniquities and lopsidedness, then considered radical, has become mainstream ; first gradually under May, who pretended to ape his policies on workers on boards and energy markets, and now pretty comprehensively under Johnson. He also prevented a catastrophic Anglo-American war in Syria almost single-handedly ; since stepping back has become a much more well-rounded and humorous politician ; and last year comprehensively humiliated Johnson in the Commons.YBarddCwsc said:
You missed out lost Scotland, which also happened on his watch.BluestBlue said:This might be a good moment to remind everyone of the identity of the true villain of the last decade of epic Labour mismanagement: Ed Miliband. Not content with ballsing up the job himself and gifting David Cameron an unlikely majority, he changed the leadership rules to allow the party to be taken over by entryist loons, and, oh yes, guided a certain retiring Director of Public Prosecutions into a safe Labour seat...
The awe in which the Milibands (David or Ed) is held by some people is a complete mystery to me.3 -
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NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!MarqueeMark said:
Well, damn, now he has to resign....Floater said:Starmer is making May seem strong and stable ......
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Only the other day you were bragging about undergraduate meetings at the Pitt Club with Sanjeev Guptarcs1000 said:
In my first year after University, a few of my friends ended up working for Accenture, and were put on a big project in Newcastle. This meant they all got First Class Open Returns between Newcastle and London.Charles said:
How were they caught?TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
Quite a lot of them would do as TSE recounts and buy the ticket, submit the receipt, and then get a refund. It probably doubled the disposable income of a 22 year old.
But it was also fundamentally dishonest.
It does seem as though most people you met in your time as an undergraduate at Cambridge University were -- shall we say -- singularly broad-minded in financial matters.
Ah well, they do say a Cambridge man can always look indulgently on a financial scheme if he sees a bit in it for himself.0 -
I've missed this. Is something big happening other than Rayner?FrankBooth said:I know it is late in the day but I think people ought to be a little careful in what they are saying. We all know how 'rumours' get spread about in politics for cynical reasons and without any substance.
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Romanian pop-star twins?MarqueeMark said:
Now, if it were a Latvian lap-dancer. Or a Russian violinist.....that would be interesting.ozymandias said:
If you’re going to have an affair then at least make it worth it. I mean. Look at her.FrancisUrquhart said:
It would actually make Starmer more interesting...Northern_Al said:Just imagine the Tory delight on here if it were Starmer, rather than Boris, who was brought down by a sex scandal. It would be quite something.
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Is he at Sean's having a bender?kinabalu said:
I fear he's going to try and do a Tony Blair whilst being a Keir Starmer.Scott_xP said:Pandemonium across the Shadow Cabinet tonight following Angela Rayner's sacking and the demotion briefings. "Cannot understand the logic of doing it on a Saturday night like this", one source within it says. Former supporters unclear what Keir Starmer's plan is, or if he has one.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1391137623385821185
Has Sean had sex with Jenny Chapman?
Seems to have completely lost it
Leon any inside information?0 -
He's done what he promised. United the Party.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Especially when dying of syphilis.kle4 said:
Probably not, though they probably used to claim they thought that, when seeking to be absolved for their sinful life on their deathbeds. Those priests will buy anything.Leon said:
But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.0 -
Oooh, cheeky.Charles said:
Romanian pop-star twins?MarqueeMark said:
Now, if it were a Latvian lap-dancer. Or a Russian violinist.....that would be interesting.ozymandias said:
If you’re going to have an affair then at least make it worth it. I mean. Look at her.FrancisUrquhart said:
It would actually make Starmer more interesting...Northern_Al said:Just imagine the Tory delight on here if it were Starmer, rather than Boris, who was brought down by a sex scandal. It would be quite something.
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A pacer would be more appropriate surelySunil_Prasannan said:
Well, at least GC use Class 180s instead of 800sRochdalePioneers said:
To be authentic Starmer needs to be conducting the reshuffle from the vestibule of a Grand Central service from London to Bradford.Scott_xP said:Sound of screeching brakes? I'm hearing the reshuffle may have stalled because of the backlash to Angela Rayner's sacking
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Does that make Yvette Cooper Labour's Michael Howard in waiting?rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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That would justify getting down on your knees for maybe.Charles said:
Romanian pop-star twins?MarqueeMark said:
Now, if it were a Latvian lap-dancer. Or a Russian violinist.....that would be interesting.ozymandias said:
If you’re going to have an affair then at least make it worth it. I mean. Look at her.FrancisUrquhart said:
It would actually make Starmer more interesting...Northern_Al said:Just imagine the Tory delight on here if it were Starmer, rather than Boris, who was brought down by a sex scandal. It would be quite something.
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London Assembly Members
List:
Con: Shaun Bailey, Andrew Boff, Susan Hall, Emma Best (new)
Lab: Elly Baker (new), Sakina Sheikh (new)
Green: Sian Berry, Caroline Russell, Zack Polanski (new)
LD: Caroline Pidgeon, Hina Bokhari (new)
Barnet and Camden: Anne Clarke (Lab) *new
Bexley & Bromley: Peter Fortune (Con) *new
Brent & Harrow: Krupesh Hirani (Lab) *new
City & East: Unmesh Desai (Lab)
Croydon & Sutton: Neil Garratt (Con) *new
Ealing & Hillingdon: Onkar Sahota (Lab)
Enfield & Haringey: Joanne McCarthy (Lab)
Greenwich & Lewisham: Len Duvall (Lab)
Havering & Redbridge: Keith Prince (Con)
Lambeth & Southwark: Marina Ahmad (Lab) *new
Merton & Wandsworth: Leonie Cooper (Lab)
North East: Sem Moena (Lab) *new
South West: Nicholas Rogers (Con) *new
West Central: Tony Devenish (Con)
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Josh Halliday
@JoshHalliday
Anger and disbelief in the Labour Party over
@AngelaRayner
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And "chaos" under him would have been such a very good choice compared to what happened.WhisperingOracle said:
Miliband critiique of British capitalism's iniquities , then considered radical, has become mainstream , first gradually under May, who pretended to ape his policies on workers on boards and energy markets, and now comprehensively under Johnson. He also prevented a catastrophic Anglo-American war in Syria almost single-handedly ; since stepping back has become a much more well-rounded and humorous politician ; and last year comprehensively humiliated Johnson in the Commons.YBarddCwsc said:
You missed out lost Scotland, which also happened on his watch.BluestBlue said:This might be a good moment to remind everyone of the identity of the true villain of the last decade of epic Labour mismanagement: Ed Miliband. Not content with ballsing up the job himself and gifting David Cameron an unlikely majority, he changed the leadership rules to allow the party to be taken over by entryist loons, and, oh yes, guided a certain retiring Director of Public Prosecutions into a safe Labour seat...
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Sir Henry Norris, Sir Francis Weston, Sir William Brereton, Mark Smeaton, George Boleyn...Leon said:
Fucking lots of women is intrinsically bad and immoral?kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
lol
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Nietzsche died of syphilis.Northern_Al said:
They might if they died of syphilis.Leon said:
Fucking lots of women is intrinsically bad and immoral?kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
lol
It's a point of view I guess. But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"
He had sex once in his life, with a hooker. Caught syphilis.
And he reckoned God is Dead?
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Nah, that was because 1995 was so bad for the Tories.tlg86 said:
Harsh on IDS, he did pretty well in the 2003 local elections:rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1391140486673584129/photo/1
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Yet another instance where Labour MIGHT be well advised to follow a Lib Dem's lead?Charles said:
Romanian pop-star twins?MarqueeMark said:
Now, if it were a Latvian lap-dancer. Or a Russian violinist.....that would be interesting.ozymandias said:
If you’re going to have an affair then at least make it worth it. I mean. Look at her.FrancisUrquhart said:
It would actually make Starmer more interesting...Northern_Al said:Just imagine the Tory delight on here if it were Starmer, rather than Boris, who was brought down by a sex scandal. It would be quite something.
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Yes, I like Ed Miliband - but as a leader of a political party, his tenure did not do much good for Labour's long-term prospects. I have a pretty high opinion of myself, as most people like to think well of themselves, but I recognise that I'm not a leader. Neither was Ed Miliband. Or Corbyn. Or, it would seem, Starmer. Apart from anything else, Labour need someone with leadership abilities.WhisperingOracle said:
Miliband critiique of British capitalism's iniquities, then considered radical, has become mainstream , first gradually under May, who pretended to ape his policies on workers on boards and energy markets, and now comprehensively under Johnson. He also prevented a catastrophic Anglo-American war in Syria almost single-handedly ; since stepping back has become a much more well-rounded and humorous politician ; and last year comprehensively humiliated Johnson in the Commons.YBarddCwsc said:
You missed out lost Scotland, which also happened on his watch.BluestBlue said:This might be a good moment to remind everyone of the identity of the true villain of the last decade of epic Labour mismanagement: Ed Miliband. Not content with ballsing up the job himself and gifting David Cameron an unlikely majority, he changed the leadership rules to allow the party to be taken over by entryist loons, and, oh yes, guided a certain retiring Director of Public Prosecutions into a safe Labour seat...
The awe in which the Milibands (David or Ed) is held by some people is a complete mystery to me.0 -
It’s called rapeseed these days - too many complaintsSandyRentool said:
Oil seed rape coming into flower?Tres said:Harpenden and Amersham are turning yellow.
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I prefer originals from you to Hodges. Don't know why you defer to him so much.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Again, very harsh on IDS.LostPassword said:
Does that make Yvette Cooper Labour's Michael Howard in waiting?rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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City & East, changes on first preferences:
Khan/Lab -12.6%
Bailey/Tories +8.4%
Swing Lab to Tories, 10.5%
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But, Hague added 1,348 councillors in 1999:TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, that was because 1995 was so bad for the Tories.tlg86 said:
Harsh on IDS, he did pretty well in the 2003 local elections:rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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They selected a career where 80% of them will only have enough nous to go through the correct lobby. Your evidence they aren't is what precisely? I also acknowledged they were probably knowledgeable in the area they got their degree in but pointed out to many of that ilk think being knowledgeable in one small are makes you knowledgeable in all. I have seen far too many mp's talking about things they obviously have no idea about to not think they are mostly too thick to realise they don't know what the hell they are talking about. That is what makes them thick as mince. From covid for example I at least no I don't know enough about epidemiology to comment.....not so with plenty of our mp's and mediakinabalu said:
One awaits the day when you utter a sentiment about anybody or anything which is not infused with mean spirited contempt and bumpkin ignorance.Pagan2 said:
3 times average salary isnt enough already to attract working and lower middle class people? Frankly most of our mps are thick as mince. Yes they may be well educated but that just means they know a lot about a narrow slice of knowledge, but they have less common sense than a dead herring. Sadly though they then go on to pontificate about stuff with absolutely no knowledge of the subject because their degree or phd gives them and over inflated sense of their own intelligence. For an extreme example I point at Macron and his I have trained my self in epidemiolgy schtickLeon said:
More money, Is the only way. We can't stop harsh criticism and social media aggression in a democracyFrankBooth said:
They are already in the top 1 or 2% of earners believe it or not. Is the salary the major downside? I suspect it is more the lifestyle and demands of being a politician that people don't want. Something we all ought to consider. How can we make it more appealing?Leon said:
Personally, I would double or triple MPs wages, and do the same for ministers or prime ministers. Let the Prime Minister of the UK earn £300,000 a year. He's running an entire country. And a big important country, at that. CEOs of minor charities earn more than the present PM. It is ridiculous. Little Davey Miliband earns £1m in a charity at NYC - and he's utterly uselessTaz said:
Absolutely,right. Also with advance fares you can get it cheaper,than std class.Leon said:
I support Angela Rayner hereeek said:
I usually justify the quieter carriage and a guaranteed table for workingTheScreamingEagles said:
Better than that, plebs and oiks, which is why I travel first class.tlg86 said:
First class protects you from psychopathic killers?Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
but that doesn't work when you have to be one for the people (and you can only claim second class if on Parliamentary business / expenses). Which is why the local MPs now fly down..
FFS she's the deputy leader of the Opposition. So she travels first class on a British train, for the very good reason that it is easier to work there?
On First Class you don't get endless free champagne and a selection of the finest charcuterie, this is not Emirates Airways from London to Sydney. You get a bigger seat, a quieter carriage and more space to work. And a free coffee. And that's it
The constant demand that our MPs must live the most humble lives possible is tedious and self defeating. We want smart, talented people to become MPs, which is often a thankless, unstable and boring job - so we need to give them a damn good salary and the means to do the job well. And for God's sake don't quibble about train classes
It’s a petty criticism.
We are saddled with inept mediocrities at Westminster because that's the level of salary we offer, the kind of wages that attracts awkward incompetents. Westminster used to get round this by the huge expenses-fiddling nonsense but that's been rumbled, so now the MPs really are reduced to pretty crap wages (by the standards of high powered London jobs) - so we need to increase the wages
We want to attract the best people to a tough demanding job where they will face fierce criticism daily. Who is going to do that for £80k a year if they can earn three or five times that elsewhere?
We have just 600-odd MPs. Pay Them Well so we get Lots of Smart People
So pay them REALLY well. Insulate them with cash and attract the best talent around
Giving every MP £150k a year would cost us £97m a year
Not a small sum but compared to the £300bn we have just spent on Covid in 12 months, it is tiny little peanuts
More importantly, it would attract working and lower middle class people to have a go. People with talent who also need to make really good money - and have the ability to do so
Most MPs are NOT thick as mince.1 -
IDS had far better local election results than Starmer has just had....tlg86 said:
Again, very harsh on IDS.LostPassword said:
Does that make Yvette Cooper Labour's Michael Howard in waiting?rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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People were wondering whether Keir Starmer was Labour’s Blair or Labour’s Kinnock. Tonight he’s looking like Labour’s Iain Duncan Smith.
To be fair to Keir Starmer, he's not looked likely to lead his party to third place across the UK, as IDS was doing.
2002 - Cons gained 238 seats
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It’s not boring if you’re doing it right…kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
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Thanks. Not a case of deferring on my part. I just think he usually has something to contribute even if it is likely to just help the popcorn flow even faster.kinabalu said:
I prefer originals from you to Hodges. Don't know why you defer to him so much.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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People were wondering whether Keir Starmer was Labour’s Blair or Labour’s Kinnock. Tonight he’s looking like Labour’s Iain Duncan Smith.1 -
Is it just me, or does classical music keep coming on and off on the London results live stream on YouTube?0
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Not massively immoral no. But it's commonplace and not especially interesting.Leon said:
Fucking lots of women is intrinsically bad and immoral?kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
lol
It's a point of view I guess. But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"
Final sentiment is also boring. Being the cliché that is always rolled out.
Stop boring me, I guess, is the message here. I want to see original clever copy.0 -
Charles said:
It’s called rapeseed these days - too many complaintsSandyRentool said:
Oil seed rape coming into flower?Tres said:Harpenden and Amersham are turning yellow.
Ian Berriman
@ianberriman
Indie bands standing about in oilseed rape #1: The Jesus And Mary Chain.
https://twitter.com/ianberriman/status/1387541148261027843
(There's dozens of them)
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for me tooAndy_JS said:Is it just me, or does classical music keep coming on and off on the London results live stream on YouTube?
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Not all*SeaShantyIrish2 said:
"Behind every great fortune there is a crime." - Balzacanother_richard said:
Some get found out.Casino_Royale said:
These were self-employed sole-traders, not big multi-nationals.another_richard said:
I'm sure we're all amazed to discover that people connected to multi billion infrastructure spending aren't honest in their billing.Casino_Royale said:
The thrill. People who do it secretly feel they don't have the power they feel they should have; this gives them that feeling because they're pulling the wool over the eyes of their boss and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is my mentality, I couldn't do anything illegal because it is a career ender for me and the scandal would kill my mother.Northern_Al said:
1. Employee pockets an extra c.£1,000 a month through fraud.TheScreamingEagles said:
I once sacked someone over their first class ticket use.YBarddCwsc said:
If she was worried about Covid (no matter whether it is rational fear or not), then first class makes sense. She did mention both COVID and safety from attack as her reason.noneoftheabove said:
I don't get the safety angle at all, surely you are safer where there are more people.Scott_xP said:EXC: Angela Rayner was sacked hours after opponents leaked info about her conduct on the campaign trail — incl her using 1st class train tickets
Rayner says she did use them: for safety, travelling alone after Sarah Everard's murder
New level of toxicity
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shaken-keir-starmer-wields-knife-sacking-angela-rayner-as-labour-party-chairwoman-0zbls9dm0
But what is the issue with the deputy leader of the opposition using first class tickets? Why do we have two classes of tickets still if we think it is unreasonable someone that senior uses first class.
Like much of modern life, it doesn't make much sense!
Whatever, it surely not a sack-able offence.
If Labour only want to refund a 2nd class ticket from party funds, fine. But, as a reason to sack someone ... wtf
My employer is very generous on things like rail tickets, so a first class open return from Manchester to Euston is around £360.
One employee used to buy those tickets and reclaim them on expenses.
Turned out they'd buy them then refund them so they'd get £350 back (£360 less the £10 admin fee) and buy first class advance tickets for £25 a pop, so they'd be making a profit of £300 a time and this was someone who probably went to London 3/4 times a month.
The really strange thing? They were earning a six figure salary and their regular credit reports showed they weren't in debt other than a mortgage which was manageable for them.
2. You think that it's a "really strange thing" that they're not in debt? Thieves often aren't.
For me it is a case of why take the risk? As I said we do credit checks on certain employees, and it showed he had close to six figures in savings.
Why would anyone risk their career, the wellbeing of their family for this?
We had to sack three contractors at Crossrail who were double-charging their timesheets, booking five days a week to us and five days a week to another client in Toronto at the same time.
Some people think they can lose their fraud in a big budget, yes, but they eventually get found out.
The ones that don't get found out you never hear about.
Edit - "Also behind many lesser fortunes." - SSI
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Confession - the only Shadow Cabinet members I know much about are Ashworth, Nandy, Rayner, Milliband, and Dodds (barely)
Looks like 4 of the 5 may/will be sacked from the front bench tomorrow. Starmer's gone mental.
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Have you ever observed an actual election count, in person? Am guessing not.ozymandias said:
Presumably the “contingency” boxes if things were a little closer than they are.Andy_JS said:"Rachael Burford
@RachaelBurford
Reason for the delay here at the City & East - staff found three unopened boxes of votes after everything else had been counted"
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Fan power:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/08/manchester-united-lose-200m-training-kit-deal-over-fans-anti-glazers-campaign
Manchester United have missed out on a proposed new training kit deal worth £200m over 10 years after the Manchester-based company The Hut Group had concerns about the supporters’ campaign to boycott the club’s commercial partners in protest at the Glazers’ ownership, the Observer understands.
Richard Arnold, United’s group managing director, was told on Friday that THG had pulled out of a contract which was due to start on 1 July.
No, I'd never heard of The Hut Group either.1 -
When you die you don't think about sex at all. You think about the big relationships in your life and what they've meant to you. That's what I've been told anyway.kle4 said:
Probably not, though they probably used to claim they thought that, when seeking to be absolved for their sinful life on their deathbeds. Those priests will buy anything.Leon said:
But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.0 -
They are the group behind the likes of MyProtein....they have the most annoying business model ever...the price is never the price, it is always possible to get 30-40-50% off and they bombard you daily with these offer codes.tlg86 said:Fan power:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/08/manchester-united-lose-200m-training-kit-deal-over-fans-anti-glazers-campaign
Manchester United have missed out on a proposed new training kit deal worth £200m over 10 years after the Manchester-based company The Hut Group had concerns about the supporters’ campaign to boycott the club’s commercial partners in protest at the Glazers’ ownership, the Observer understands.
Richard Arnold, United’s group managing director, was told on Friday that THG had pulled out of a contract which was due to start on 1 July.
No, I'd never heard of The Hut Group either.
So you buy a box of protein bars from them, then every day you get spam email after spam email, but if you unsubscribe you won't get the offer codes and so if you want to restock your protein bars you will have to pay 2x the price.
The products they sell are fine, but its the sales tactics that drive you mad.0 -
Pippa Crerar
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A Labour source tells me: “Angela was going to do Marr to defend Keir. Her team had drafted lines for Keir’s team.”
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You've never done it right?Charles said:
It’s not boring if you’re doing it right…kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.
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I've had an NDE experience and can confirm this may be correct. Except it was more of an experience of remembering everything at the same time, and having no fear of what was next.kinabalu said:
When you die you don't think about sex at all. You think about the big relationships in your life and what they've meant to you. That's what I've been told anyway.kle4 said:
Probably not, though they probably used to claim they thought that, when seeking to be absolved for their sinful life on their deathbeds. Those priests will buy anything.Leon said:
But no one died thinking "I wish I'd had sex less often and with fewer women"kinabalu said:
No, the reason he gets away with that sort of stuff is that people put their brains in a jar when it comes to assessing him.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't really care if Starmer is or isn't. One reason Boris gets away with that kind of stuff is it is a) expected and b) he never claims be to whiter than white.
When it hurts politicians is if you preach purity and then found to be a hypocrite e.g. Tory back to basics.
There's nothing interesting about womanising or sexual infidelity. It's a sign of moral laxity and is yawningly common. It's boring.0 -
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