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After a disappointing set of results for LAB one figure appears to have bucked the trend – political

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited May 8 in General
imageAfter a disappointing set of results for LAB one figure appears to have bucked the trend – politicalbetting.com

Nobody can argue that the local elections that have taken place this week have been anything but poor for the official opposition. Labour has done badly and no doubt this will renew speculation about the future for Keir Starmer who only became leader thirteen months ago.

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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,844
    test
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    King of the North.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 67,843
    edited May 8
    I assuned from the title it was going to be about the Drakester.

    But the problem is England I guess.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,021
    Maybe Burnham should have been the next leader after Corbyn.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    He's a definite lay as next Labour in the short term at least.

    He's not an MP, his tenure as Health Secretary is one of this things can be ruthlessly exploited.

    On the plus side, like Burgon he read English at Cambridge.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 37,868

    King of the North.

    Nice to see you, to see you!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    edited May 8
    Mike, there is now a Tory councillor in Sheffield.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-57024385
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 6,838
    The Right will be dusting down the dossier on the Stafford Hospital scandal, make no mistake.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 37,868
    Andy Street re-elected by quite a margin.
  • HarryFreemanHarryFreeman Posts: 210
    Manchester is the red citadel. Helms Deep. Winterfell.

  • isamisam Posts: 37,436
    "The rise of the Greens" Mike says

    I have thought, and said I think on here, that Starmer's treatment of Corbyn and his merry people would lead to a surge in support for the Green Party. I spoke to a very political pro gambling mate about it, and he concurred. One to look out for when bookies start to do over/under %s at the next GE
  • pingping Posts: 1,142
    FPT;

    Street still wins despite reallocation of 2nd pref votes of LD

    314669
    267626

    Another failed Blairite well beaten

    Apologies for my uncharacteristically nasty post but….

    You appear more interested in ideological purity than putting together a coalition to actually win.

    You and @roger are two cheeks of the same arse, IMO

    I can’t see myself voting labour again, tbh.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    kle4 said:

    I assuned from the title it was going to be about the Drakester.

    But the problem is England I guess.

    The morning thread is about Mark Drakeford, pbuh.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 87,889
    edited May 8
    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 7,851

    King of the North.

    Nice to see you, to see you!
    I know you're in strung out shape, Sunil, but stay frosty, and alert. We can't afford to let one of those bastards in here.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 1,623
    There's an error in the piece. The Tories won one councillor in Sheffield yesterday in Stocksbridge and Upper Don.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 10,047
    Congratulations to Andy Burnham. A man who knows what Labour is for: looking out for people who have to work for a living. The clue is in the name: Labour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999

    Manchester is the red citadel. Helms Deep. Winterfell.

    Not really, you're confusing Manchester with Greater Manchester.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 39,164
    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,398
    FPT - one thing, Mayoral results are highly swingable and unpredictable. Much more so than other elections.

    We've got massive wins for Houchen and Burnham, extended leads for Street, and totally unexpected Labour upsets in CPCA and West of England.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638
    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630
    Assembly

    Greenwich and Lewisham

    Len Duvall Lab 48.3 (-4.2)
    Con 22.9 (+4)
    Green 18.1 (+5.6)

    Barnet and Camden

    Anne Clarke (new) Lab 42.3 (-2.0)
    Con 35.0 (-0.5)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 37,868
    Tories only have 13 MSPs - are they too, er, frit to agree to a referendum? :lol:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    On topic, another resounding success for another pro lockdown politician/leader.

    I'm spotting a trend.
  • TazTaz Posts: 1,629
    HYUFD said:

    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

    What about Jess Phillips, quite a few on the labour right seem to think the Tories would quake in their boots at the thought of facing her.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 1,442
    So, does Sturgeon come out of this election stronger or weaker?

    She’ll be under pressure..to do something?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 37,868
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638

    Conservative GAIN Southampton City Council

    Now that’s an upset. No students to vote for Labour or something else at work?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 10,047
    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    I hope you have been listening to me:

    YOU CAN’T SHAKE THE DRAKE.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 7,851
    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417
    edited May 8

    The Right will be dusting down the dossier on the Stafford Hospital scandal, make no mistake.

    Even if you forget that, he really wasn't any good as a government minister. Partly why he has ended up as Mayor of Manchester.

    That been said, neither was Boris. But he isn't a good leader either.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 6,838
    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    I think Sir Keir will have to go. It's not just his politics that is underwhelming (that can be forgiven), it's that he's letting Boris and minions off Scott free - the sense of bitter frustration from the Left over that is palpable.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,306
    There is now a Conservative councillor in Sheffield for Stocksbridge ward.

    Does Mike not know anyone from Sheffield to check with ?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited May 8
    Burnham's clearly raised his profile quite nicely, but it's still amusing to reflect that in the 2015 leadership contest he came second to Corbyn with 19% of the vote to the latter's 59.5%, and in 2010 had been 4th with 8.7%, behind Ed M, David M, and Ed Balls. Third time's the charm?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
    When I’ve just penned an awesome pun?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 87,889
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

    What about Jess Phillips, quite a few on the labour right seem to think the Tories would quake in their boots at the thought of facing her.
    Of current MPs maybe but she was fanatically anti Brexit unlike Burnham and more blunt than Burnham is
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 7,851
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
    When I’ve just penned an awesome pun?
    Yup. On yer dyke.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 4,772
    I'm far from convinced by Starmer but he should be given the chance to make his pitch to the electorate once the pandemic has calmed down. If people don't go for it then fine.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,503

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    I hope you have been listening to me:

    YOU CAN’T SHAKE THE DRAKE.
    It's Leon shaking his snake to the Drake that makes me quake.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 67,843
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
    When I’ve just penned an awesome pun?
    You can be shown some mercia.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
    When I’ve just penned an awesome pun?
    Yup. On yer dyke.
    You can clawdd at me all you like. I’m going nowhere.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 30,757
    Fpt I'm on Bailey at 130 but can't find it in me to click on the 6s (bf) about BJS tonight.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
    When I’ve just penned an awesome pun?
    You can be shown some mercia.
    That’s more than Gloucestershire showed the Middle Saxons today :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417
    edited May 8

    There is now a Conservative councillor in Sheffield for Stocksbridge ward.

    Does Mike not know anyone from Sheffield to check with ?

    Have the tree chopping mob had their marching orders?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 41,201

    Manchester is the red citadel. Helms Deep. Winterfell.

    But Boris has dragons.....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 7,851
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What, no mention of Drakeford?

    Incoming from TSE and Leon in 3...2...1...

    Mike knows I'm doing the morning thread on Drakeford, the real Prince of Wales.
    So his debt is Owain?
    Get Offa this thread!
    When I’ve just penned an awesome pun?
    Yup. On yer dyke.
    You can clawdd at me all you like. I’m going nowhere.
    Not on a March?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,306
    The Greens seem to be doing well in these areas:

    Inner city shitholes where Labour have done fuck all for the inhabitants
    Trendy areas filled with vegans **
    Posh areas filled with nimbies who oppose new houses being built

    ** I remember such areas being referred to as lentil eaters and before than museli types.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,398
    ydoethur said:

    Conservative GAIN Southampton City Council

    Now that’s an upset. No students to vote for Labour or something else at work?
    Students and young people don't dominate Southampton in quite the same way as they do in Manchester or Bristol. They go to university, and largely move away after.

    Also, there's a lot of WWC areas, Bitterne, Coxford, Millbrook, Peartree and Redbridge and true-blue suburbs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 39,164

    Manchester is the red citadel. Helms Deep. Winterfell.

    But Boris has dragons.....
    Are you allowed to talk about Priti like that?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 6,021

    So, does Sturgeon come out of this election stronger or weaker?

    She’ll be under pressure..to do something?

    Much the same. She won't lead Scotland to independence though.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,036
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Burnham should have been the next leader after Corbyn.

    Or before Corbyn

    I was voting for him in 2015 right up to the moment he made the massive mistake of signing up to Austerity light Agenda in the debate along with Cooper and L4%K.

    Leaving Corbyn the only Candidate rejecting Austerity.

    It would have been better if he had won in 2016 on an Anti Austerity ticket.

    Could have won in 2017
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    Time to get rid of this sleazy bunch of unelected benefit scroungers.

    Prince Michael of Kent ‘selling access’ to the Putinistas

    With Russia-UK relations at a nadir, an undercover investigation reveals the murky business dealings of the Queen’s ‘unofficial ambassador’ to a pariah state

    The Zoom call began just after 10am. The bearded face on the computer screen from Kensington Palace was His Royal Highness Prince Michael of Kent and on the cream sofa in Cirencester was his close friend and business associate the Marquess of Reading.

    Making up the quartet on the screen were two executives from a South Korean company that was seeking to hire the prince to help its gold investment business. What the prince and the marquess didn’t know was that the executives were undercover reporters.

    They were investigating allegations that the Queen’s cousin and the marquess were secretly trading on their links to the notorious Russian regime of President Putin, regarded as the No 1 threat to Britain’s national security.

    As the Zoom meeting began, the prince took the lead. He said he would be “very excited” to work with the company, called House of Haedong, which was seeking contacts in the Kremlin to further its business in Russia.

    The prince assured them that his long-standing connection to the country “could bring some benefit” and drew their attention to the fact that the Russian presidency had bestowed on him the Order of Friendship, one of the Kremlin’s most prestigious awards. He added encouragingly: “I have never had any close connection before with gold and the idea makes me very happy.”

    Earlier his private secretary had told the reporters that the prince could make introductions to people high up in the Russian government. “We can certainly help in that sense,” she said. “Even if he doesn’t have direct contact to the person that you want, there is a way in. There is always a way in.”

    When the prince left the call, the marquess stayed on the line with the South Korean company’s representatives and began to outline the type of service he said that he and the prince could offer in Russia.

    According to the marquess, the prince had a de facto role as “Her Majesty’s unofficial ambassador to Russia” and was able to meet with Putin. The prince’s “confidential” access to the Kremlin, the marquess said, had remained intact despite the numerous outrages committed by Putin’s regime.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-michael-of-kent-selling-access-to-the-putinistas-gbb99pcx6
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 3,719
    Latest from Cambridgeshire:

    https://twitter.com/PhilRodgers/status/1391078123983233025?s=19

    Hi Mayor Doctor Nik!

  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,092
    Late afternoon or is it really evening all :)

    Burnham vs Khan - a Tale of Two Mayors? The current Prime Minister was also once a Mayor so we shouldn't deride it as a new route to the top.

    I can't speak for Greater Manchester but in London the Mayor has very little power - indeed, rather like the Scottish and Welsh First Ministers, if there's a problem or anything goes wrong, there's always Westminster and Whitehall as the scapegoat. Indeed, that seems to have worked fairly well for both Sturgeon and Drakeford thus far.

    News from Newham (I know you can't wait):

    In the Governance referendum, the status quo prevailed - the move to replace the Elected Mayor with a Committee model was defeated 56% - 44% on a 38% turnout.

    Of more significance (perhaps) with next year in mind, the East Ham Central Ward was held by Labour in the by-election. The Labour candidate polled 53%, the Conservative 30%, Green 7%, Liberal Democrat 6%.

    In 2018, the Labour polled 81% and the Conservatives 14% so that's Labour DOWN 28% (who needs Hartlepool?) and the Conservatives UP 16% so I make that a 22% swing from Conservative to Labour. Would that be enough to swing Newham from red to blue? In a word, no.

    However, and we'll have to see if the same occurs in other parts of east and north-east London, this "could" be the first sign of the "Red London Wall" coming under pressure. That's a huge jump from one by-election and the political world could well look very different this time next year.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417
    edited May 8
    Not only was Burnham beaten by Corbyn, he was beaten by Ed Miliband in Labour leadership elections.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 7,851

    Time to get rid of this sleazy bunch of unelected benefit scroungers.

    Prince Michael of Kent ‘selling access’ to the Putinistas

    With Russia-UK relations at a nadir, an undercover investigation reveals the murky business dealings of the Queen’s ‘unofficial ambassador’ to a pariah state

    The Zoom call began just after 10am. The bearded face on the computer screen from Kensington Palace was His Royal Highness Prince Michael of Kent and on the cream sofa in Cirencester was his close friend and business associate the Marquess of Reading.

    Making up the quartet on the screen were two executives from a South Korean company that was seeking to hire the prince to help its gold investment business. What the prince and the marquess didn’t know was that the executives were undercover reporters.

    They were investigating allegations that the Queen’s cousin and the marquess were secretly trading on their links to the notorious Russian regime of President Putin, regarded as the No 1 threat to Britain’s national security.

    As the Zoom meeting began, the prince took the lead. He said he would be “very excited” to work with the company, called House of Haedong, which was seeking contacts in the Kremlin to further its business in Russia.

    The prince assured them that his long-standing connection to the country “could bring some benefit” and drew their attention to the fact that the Russian presidency had bestowed on him the Order of Friendship, one of the Kremlin’s most prestigious awards. He added encouragingly: “I have never had any close connection before with gold and the idea makes me very happy.”

    Earlier his private secretary had told the reporters that the prince could make introductions to people high up in the Russian government. “We can certainly help in that sense,” she said. “Even if he doesn’t have direct contact to the person that you want, there is a way in. There is always a way in.”

    When the prince left the call, the marquess stayed on the line with the South Korean company’s representatives and began to outline the type of service he said that he and the prince could offer in Russia.

    According to the marquess, the prince had a de facto role as “Her Majesty’s unofficial ambassador to Russia” and was able to meet with Putin. The prince’s “confidential” access to the Kremlin, the marquess said, had remained intact despite the numerous outrages committed by Putin’s regime.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-michael-of-kent-selling-access-to-the-putinistas-gbb99pcx6

    Jeez. Bad.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 41,201
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

    What about Jess Phillips, quite a few on the labour right seem to think the Tories would quake in their boots at the thought of facing her.
    "Quaking" in that way when you silently laugh and your shoulders go up and down like Ted Heath?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 3,221

    He's a definite lay as next Labour in the short term at least.

    He's not an MP, his tenure as Health Secretary is one of this things can be ruthlessly exploited.

    On the plus side, like Burgon he read English at Cambridge.

    I’m with TSE on this one (bar the Cambridge bit). Two points.

    First, what this election has shown (in a good way) is that voters are taking notice of how well Mayors do. Those who do well (Burnham, Houchen and Street) are getting rewarded, those who don’t (Khan) are being hit. We might as well have a post that says why Ben Houchen will be the next Tory leader.

    Second, amongst the northern part of GM, which is the old mill town part where there are substantial WWC communities, Burnham doesn’t look to have benefited Labour who lost seats in places like Rochdale and Bolton. So his appeal in winning back lost WWC voters seems limited. Interestingly Labour did better in the wealthier parts of GM.

    Andy Burnham is effectively another candidate who appeals to remainer middle class Labour types, the types who buy King of the North mugs (which is another clue - Game of Thrones is watched by the chattering classes, not by the masses).
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,503
    The Greens have picked up yet another seat in Oxford City, so they're up from 1 seat before to 3 (though boundaries have changed).

    The city's still a Tory-free zone - they were miles off the one seat where they thought they had a chance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    One of the reasons the Greens have done well in Sheffield is due the tree cutting controversy which Labour have handled very badly.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 6,499

    Can I just remind everyone that the Burnham of today is a different animal to the Burnham of 2015 who ran such an insipid leadership campaign.

    Today's version would have won back then.

    Yes, insipid and timid. A good friend who is a LP activist (and family friend of the Milibands) went to the hustings in 2015 and said that Burnham (other than Corbyn obvs) was most left-wing of the candidates, didn't present himself well but, she said, the females were swooning over his beautiful eyes?!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638

    Not only was Burnham beaten by Corbyn, he was beaten by Ed Miliband in Labour leadership elections.

    To be exact he was beaten by both Milibands, Ed Balls and Corbyn.

    That’s some pretty serious losing that happened there.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    I feel like laying Burnham is going to be the new “laying David Milliband”.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417

    One of the reasons the Greens have done well in Sheffield is due the tree cutting controversy which Labour have handled very badly.

    "Handled badly".... that's a bit like saying Prince Andrew handled that infamous interview badly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    One positive for Burnham he is a genuine football fan, he can take on Boris Johnson on that front.

    Even though he's an Everton fan he's highly regarded by Liverpool fans for his work in getting the Hillsborough Panel sorted.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 3,434

    One of the reasons the Greens have done well in Sheffield is due the tree cutting controversy which Labour have handled very badly.

    that really annoyed me as well .
  • StockyStocky Posts: 6,499

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

    What about Jess Phillips, quite a few on the labour right seem to think the Tories would quake in their boots at the thought of facing her.
    "Quaking" in that way when you silently laugh and your shoulders go up and down like Ted Heath?
    Yes, I'm with you MM. Some mouthy Brummie who reminds one of a dinner lady doesn't pass the "door of no 10" sniff test...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,398

    Latest from Cambridgeshire:

    https://twitter.com/PhilRodgers/status/1391078123983233025?s=19

    Hi Mayor Doctor Nik!

    Blast. That affects some of my business, because he wants to cancel the Cambridge Autonomous Metro.

    Grr.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 37,868

    ydoethur said:

    Conservative GAIN Southampton City Council

    Now that’s an upset. No students to vote for Labour or something else at work?
    Students and young people don't dominate Southampton in quite the same way as they do in Manchester or Bristol. They go to university, and largely move away after.

    Also, there's a lot of WWC areas, Bitterne, Coxford, Millbrook, Peartree and Redbridge and true-blue suburbs.
    Oi, there's only ONE Redbridge - and it's not in Hants!!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 41,638

    One of the reasons the Greens have done well in Sheffield is due the tree cutting controversy which Labour have handled very badly.

    "Handled badly".... that's a bit like saying Prince Andrew handled that infamous interview badly.
    Why? Did they order Hawaiian pizzas all around for the decisive meeting?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 23,883
    ping said:

    FPT;

    Street still wins despite reallocation of 2nd pref votes of LD

    314669
    267626

    Another failed Blairite well beaten

    Apologies for my uncharacteristically nasty post but….

    You appear more interested in ideological purity than putting together a coalition to actually win.

    You and @roger are two cheeks of the same arse, IMO

    I can’t see myself voting labour again, tbh.
    @ping

    Sorry, on PT, I thought this was addressed to me and thus I have answered it there. Pls ignore. I have enough real spats without inventing them. :smile:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417
    edited May 8
    ydoethur said:

    Not only was Burnham beaten by Corbyn, he was beaten by Ed Miliband in Labour leadership elections.

    To be exact he was beaten by both Milibands, Ed Balls and Corbyn.

    That’s some pretty serious losing that happened there.
    Eddie Spheroids would currently be giving Boris the most trouble out of all of those. Not sure he would win a GE, but the Tories would be having a really.hard time.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630
    Cambridgeshire/Peterborough Mayor

    - Johnson (Labour & Co-Operative Party): 113994
    - Palmer (The Conservative Party): 108195
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,036
    Andy For Mayor
    @TeamBurnhamGM
    ·
    May 6
    You still have 2 hours left to vote! Vote for a mayor who really cares about our city-region. This is Our Place This is Our Time

    Or as I would put it

    Andy For Labour Leader. Still have time. Vote for a Leader who really Cares about the Country. This can be our place and our time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 50,983
    Andy Street on BBC News - wearing a Conservative Rosette (first time I've seen that...)
  • StockyStocky Posts: 6,499
    Just checked NHS dailies - 5 deaths. 5!

    And hospitalisations at 101 compares to 160 last Saturday.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    ydoethur said:

    One of the reasons the Greens have done well in Sheffield is due the tree cutting controversy which Labour have handled very badly.

    "Handled badly".... that's a bit like saying Prince Andrew handled that infamous interview badly.
    Why? Did they order Hawaiian pizzas all around for the decisive meeting?
    Seven campaigners have been awarded £24,300 after the police watchdog ruled they were wrongfully arrested during tree-felling protests.

    They were held under the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act but charges against all seven were dropped.

    The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) found South Yorkshire Police had no grounds for arrest.

    Paul Brooke, who was among those held, said the arrests were a "violation of our very basic rights".

    Mr Brooke, Calvin Payne, Simon Crump, Jeremy Peace, Gemma Lock, Kate Billington and Margaret Mark were all arrested and charged between November 2016 and February 2017.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-47116019
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630
    All constituencies declared in Scotland

    Now only regions left. Central and Highlands are the 2 regions already declared
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 1,442
    Omnium said:

    So, does Sturgeon come out of this election stronger or weaker?

    She’ll be under pressure..to do something?

    Much the same. She won't lead Scotland to independence though.
    I see she’s already out of the blocks with her “speech”. Sounds very 2016.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 17,036

    Can I just remind everyone that the Burnham of today is a different animal to the Burnham of 2015 who ran such an insipid leadership campaign.

    Today's version would have won back then.

    Agreed I wish he had he would be PM by now
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 41,201

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 50,983
    Andy Street's victory is the most impressive of the Hartlepool/Tees Valley hat trick. The West Midlands has more red wall-type areas than many think, but its demographics are not especially pro-Tory. It's also suffered badly from the pandemic. More here

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1391082003341225992?s=20
  • TazTaz Posts: 1,629

    Latest from Cambridgeshire:

    https://twitter.com/PhilRodgers/status/1391078123983233025?s=19

    Hi Mayor Doctor Nik!

    Blast. That affects some of my business, because he wants to cancel the Cambridge Autonomous Metro.

    Grr.
    Do you think that was a vote winning policy or he won in spite of it ?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 6,499
    So Andy Burnham has been reelected and therefore committed to another term of mayor, is not an MP and yet is 4/1 clear favourite with the bookies for next LP leader and can be laid at 5.4 at the exchanges.

    Clear lay surely?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 64,417

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    I have to say I did chuckle when he said it looked more like H from Line of Duty.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,398
    Cambridge is full of Communists.

    We need a British Senator Mccarthy purge.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 41,201

    Cambridgeshire/Peterborough Mayor

    - Johnson (Labour & Co-Operative Party): 113994
    - Palmer (The Conservative Party): 108195

    Another victim of the FarmGate scandal......
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,398

    Cambridgeshire/Peterborough Mayor

    - Johnson (Labour & Co-Operative Party): 113994
    - Palmer (The Conservative Party): 108195

    BUGGER.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 3,434
    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 6,499

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 12,484
    Evening all! Still feeling zonked by the Pfizer flu, so after watching the best Formula E race ever from Monaco I had a sleep.

    Still no result from London? Glad to see that they are still trying to remove Binface's historic win.

    Talking about historic results, we're heading towards a chunky independence majority in Scotland. So the fun of a stand-off between the will of the Scottish people and the will of the English people is to come.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 95,999
    edited May 8

    Cambridge is full of Communists.

    We need a British Senator Mccarthy purge.

    No, you're confusing it with Oxford.

    Sir Roger Hollis, that is all.

    Plus McCarthy was a failure.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 43,398
    Taz said:

    Latest from Cambridgeshire:

    https://twitter.com/PhilRodgers/status/1391078123983233025?s=19

    Hi Mayor Doctor Nik!

    Blast. That affects some of my business, because he wants to cancel the Cambridge Autonomous Metro.

    Grr.
    Do you think that was a vote winning policy or he won in spite of it ?
    I really doubt it. CAM is an exciting transport project, although it could be expensive.

    Probably (1) anti-Tory vote and (2) anti-Garden Villages, which Palmer was pro - hence high LD showing.

    Most likely thing is the project gets canned now, which is not a good thing as Cambridge is choked with congestion and very expensive housing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 39,164

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    No, no, he's just lucky. Everyone says so.
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