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nico679 said:

To a degree what’s happening with Labour is similar to what’s happened to the Dems in the USA , the latter though are helped by the predominant two party system there .

The Dems got lucky in this cycle with Trumps disastrous pandemic response and picking Biden who managed to win back those key Midwest swing states , there are also a lot more urban areas which can counterbalance the stronger rural GOP vote .

Labour are caught between two stools , trying to relive the glory years with banked in Red Wall voters who hated the Tories austerity policies and the closing down of the mines and swathes of the old industrial heartlands and the urban voters who are socially liberal , more educated and more pro EU .

This loose coalition only holds together when the Tories are seen as the nasty party and who push austerity .

There simply aren’t enough urban votes to compensate for the losses in the Red Wall .

It’s hard to see Labour winning again anytime soon unless the Tories return to austerity or there’s some economic crash .

It gives me no satisfaction to say this as a long time Labour supporter but it’s going to be an immense struggle to get the Tories out of power .

Alistair said:

IanB2 said:

What’s wrong with America?

When we let them go, it was all looking so promising.

Was it? A bunch of religious fanatics angry over Catholics being given equal rights.

eek said:

turbotubbs said:

kle4 said:

Stocky said:

Care home update re: my poor mum.

Here we go again. Government announces great news that prisoners (sorry, residents) can be allowed outside the home without having to quarantine on return to the home.

Firstly, that implies that residents have up to now been able to leave the home albeit with quarantine on return. This is not true. (Plus, as an aside, residents are basically in quarantine in a care home anyway aren't they?)

Secondly, the wonderful new guidance is now out in writing and it states that only the two current nominated visitors are to be allowed to take the resident away for a trip out thus meaning that for many families, such as ours, who have nominated two infirm and elderly family members as nominated visitors (as the younger relatives (like me) are best suited to see relative outdoors) are in effect excluded because the nominated visitors we chose are too frail to push my mum in her wheelchair. So no trips out for mum then.

I've asked the care home to switch one of the nominated visitors to me instead and they have refused because "the government says this is not allowed".

Words fail me.

Care home news has been a persistent area of poor communication and decisions generally, it seems.

I also think that those that run the care homes are shit scared of being blamed/sued when a patient dies, and someone wants to make an issue. Far easier to just lock them up as tight as possible and be intransigent than take the risk.

I would go one stage further than that - they don't want covid in their homes as it takes time to find replacement residents.

nico679 said:

To a degree what’s happening with Labour is similar to what’s happened to the Dems in the USA , the latter though are helped by the predominant two party system there .

The Dems got lucky in this cycle with Trumps disastrous pandemic response and picking Biden who managed to win back those key Midwest swing states , there are also a lot more urban areas which can counterbalance the stronger rural GOP vote .

Labour are caught between two stools , trying to relive the glory years with banked in Red Wall voters who hated the Tories austerity policies and the closing down of the mines and swathes of the old industrial heartlands and the urban voters who are socially liberal , more educated and more pro EU .

This loose coalition only holds together when the Tories are seen as the nasty party and who push austerity .

There simply aren’t enough urban votes to compensate for the losses in the Red Wall .

It’s hard to see Labour winning again anytime soon unless the Tories return to austerity or there’s some economic crash .

It gives me no satisfaction to say this as a long time Labour supporter but it’s going to be an immense struggle to get the Tories out of power .

nico679 said:

To a degree what’s happening with Labour is similar to what’s happened to the Dems in the USA , the latter though are helped by the predominant two party system there .

The Dems got lucky in this cycle with Trumps disastrous pandemic response and picking Biden who managed to win back those key Midwest swing states , there are also a lot more urban areas which can counterbalance the stronger rural GOP vote .

Labour are caught between two stools , trying to relive the glory years with banked in Red Wall voters who hated the Tories austerity policies and the closing down of the mines and swathes of the old industrial heartlands and the urban voters who are socially liberal , more educated and more pro EU .

This loose coalition only holds together when the Tories are seen as the nasty party and who push austerity .

There simply aren’t enough urban votes to compensate for the losses in the Red Wall .

It’s hard to see Labour winning again anytime soon unless the Tories return to austerity or there’s some economic crash .

It gives me no satisfaction to say this as a long time Labour supporter but it’s going to be an immense struggle to get the Tories out of power .

Casino_Royale said:

Stocky said:

Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

- Male (just saying)
- Northern
- Charisma
- Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
- Intelligent enough
- Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
- Patriotic enough
- Not regarded as a strong left winger

Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

Starmer:

- Male (slightly effete)
- Southern (very London)
- No charisma
- Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
- Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
- Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
- Moderately left-wing

Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.

bigjohnowls said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Fenman said:

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/04/france-threatens-to-cut-off-power-to-jersey-in-post-brexit-fishing-row

The French government could cut off the electricity supply to Jersey in an escalating row over post-Brexit fishing rights, a French minister has suggested.

And, under our new Integrated Review deterrence posture, we could potentially launch a nuclear strike in response.

Not going to happen.

I'm not sure I understand this. Jersey wasn't in the EU anyway. So why the changes?

Pro_Rata said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

GideonWise said:

MaxPB said:

Cases now dropping like a stone WoW, deaths almost down to zero. Yet here we are sitting in the cold drinking beer while the nice warm pubs are still closed off.

The scientists have made doom porn modelling an art form. I'm still waiting for those idiots who said we'd have a third wave worse than the second wave to retract their idiot model. Their agenda is laughably transparent and it's time for them to be forced into printing retractions.

If only all those idiot scientists were as bright as MaxPB, we'd be all laughing down the pub.

Sadly they are listening to you and your types and we'll all be locked away forever if it was up to them and you. Face up to it, you would prefer everyone be locked away because some people might get the virus. Neither you nor they know what's best for the rest of us so keep your ultra lockdown, zero COVID bullshit to yourself please.

Personally, I can't see much point in bringing forward pub openings now. It's only another two weeks and any changes will cause confusion. Quite a few businesses around here are already committed to a 17th May opening, using the time until then to refurb and prepare.

As an aside, Ipswich actuary Steve Jackson is still tracking the model he created in February (see below). The actual figures are now running at about 30% better than his model projected. It's important to remember that the planned restriction easing on 17/5 and 21/6 will push R up, countered by the benificial effect of the vaccination roll-out.

All in all, I'd say we should keep to the timetable set out.

https://twitter.com/goalprojection/status/1388880520117956609?s=20

I agree. What I don't want is for the government to feel that local restrictions need to be re-introduced anywhere once they are lifted. As I've said, I'm prepared to delay locally by a couple of weeks if necessary for places to catch up, but I'm not feeling that will needed on May 17th yet. June 21st gives a good chance to suppress further and get us to very low rates by September and hopefully come and stay out of lockdown nationally. It is also when second vaccinations are caught up and first vaccinations pick up pace again, so the suppression that gives will help too.

If anywhere does need a local delay, I'd still want to see everything lifted everywhere by end of school term.

I don't much fear a full on third wave this winter, I think full escape of a variant is not that common, but local outbreaks could flare up and necessitate lighter but still unwelcome regulation. Lift when we're good and ready, be cautious on foreign travel, we can get to September with near zero cases as a point in time thing, and we can minimise niggly restriction this coming winter.

We will need to keep on top of boosters for a few years at least. If we forget, or just leave things at some point, a smaller winter wave in 2-3 years time would be a distinct possibility.

Casino_Royale said:

Stocky said:

Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

- Male (just saying)
- Northern
- Charisma
- Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
- Intelligent enough
- Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
- Patriotic enough
- Not regarded as a strong left winger

Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

Starmer:

- Male (slightly effete)
- Southern (very London)
- No charisma
- Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
- Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
- Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
- Moderately left-wing

Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.

Stuartinromford said:

Casino_Royale said:

Stocky said:

Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

- Male (just saying)
- Northern
- Charisma
- Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
- Intelligent enough
- Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
- Patriotic enough
- Not regarded as a strong left winger

Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

Starmer:

- Male (slightly effete)
- Southern (very London)
- No charisma
- Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
- Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
- Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
- Moderately left-wing

Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.

Tend to agree, with one caveat.

If the government continues to muck things up the way they did in 2020, they'll lose, and Starmer will become PM because he's inoffensive and for want of any alternative.

And with this PM and this cabinet, that can't be ruled out.

IshmaelZ said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

williamglenn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/04/france-threatens-to-cut-off-power-to-jersey-in-post-brexit-fishing-row

The French government could cut off the electricity supply to Jersey in an escalating row over post-Brexit fishing rights, a French minister has suggested.

The peoples of Jersey and France have so much in common and would get on wonderfully given how they both collaborated with the Germans during WWII.

You must not attribute to moral superiority what is adequately explained by the existence of the English Channel.

Philip_Thompson said:

Anabobazina said:

Pro_Rata said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

GideonWise said:

MaxPB said:

Cases now dropping like a stone WoW, deaths almost down to zero. Yet here we are sitting in the cold drinking beer while the nice warm pubs are still closed off.

The scientists have made doom porn modelling an art form. I'm still waiting for those idiots who said we'd have a third wave worse than the second wave to retract their idiot model. Their agenda is laughably transparent and it's time for them to be forced into printing retractions.

If only all those idiot scientists were as bright as MaxPB, we'd be all laughing down the pub.

Sadly they are listening to you and your types and we'll all be locked away forever if it was up to them and you. Face up to it, you would prefer everyone be locked away because some people might get the virus. Neither you nor they know what's best for the rest of us so keep your ultra lockdown, zero COVID bullshit to yourself please.

Personally, I can't see much point in bringing forward pub openings now. It's only another two weeks and any changes will cause confusion. Quite a few businesses around here are already committed to a 17th May opening, using the time until then to refurb and prepare.

As an aside, Ipswich actuary Steve Jackson is still tracking the model he created in February (see below). The actual figures are now running at about 30% better than his model projected. It's important to remember that the planned restriction easing on 17/5 and 21/6 will push R up, countered by the benificial effect of the vaccination roll-out.

All in all, I'd say we should keep to the timetable set out.

https://twitter.com/goalprojection/status/1388880520117956609?s=20

I agree. What I don't want is for the government to feel that local restrictions need to be re-introduced anywhere once they are lifted. As I've said, I'm prepared to delay locally by a couple of weeks if necessary for places to catch up, but I'm not feeling that will needed on May 17th yet. June 21st gives a good chance to suppress further and get us to very low rates by September and hopefully come and stay out of lockdown nationally. It is also when second vaccinations are caught up and first vaccinations pick up pace again, so the suppression that gives will help too.

If anywhere does need a local delay, I'd still want to see everything lifted everywhere by end of school term.

I don't much fear a full on third wave this winter, I think full escape of a variant is not that common, but local outbreaks could flare up and necessitate lighter but still unwelcome regulation. Lift when we're good and ready, be cautious on foreign travel, we can get to September with near zero cases as a point in time thing, and we can minimise niggly restriction this coming winter.

We will need to keep on top of boosters for a few years at least. If we forget, or just leave things at some point, a smaller winter wave in 2-3 years time would be a distinct possibility.

Fair enough, but they could at least declare 17 May a done deal. End the “no earlier than” nonsense so adored and oft-quoted by the lockdownistas.

17 May is a done deal, but they can't admit that because the whole point is they're 'analysing the data' coming in. You know the data is as good as it could be, I know the data is as good as it could be, but they're not going to say it yet because they're not prejudicing the data.

Just accept it as a done deal, that's precisely what everybody else is doing.

Stocky said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Who would be your choice for replacing Starmer (which it's clear you want to happen) BJO?

IshmaelZ said:

Stocky said:

Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

- Male (just saying)
- Northern
- Charisma
- Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
- Intelligent enough
- Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
- Patriotic enough
- Not regarded as a strong left winger

Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

Burnham? 15/2 fav on oddschecker.

bigjohnowls said:

Stocky said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Who would be your choice for replacing Starmer (which it's clear you want to happen) BJO?

Khan if he can be prised from London for 2024

If its this year i would go for Rayner

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Stuartinromford said:

Casino_Royale said:

Stocky said:

Whilst I'm not predicting that SKS is going anywhere soon, long shots to replace Starmer one day assuming Labour want the best chance to win a GE which involves getting red wall back:

- Male (just saying)
- Northern
- Charisma
- Can you close your eyes and imagine him at door of No 10?
- Intelligent enough
- Voted Leave (or at least clearly expressed support for honouring the result)
- Patriotic enough
- Not regarded as a strong left winger

Hmm. John Mann or Dan Jarvis. The former is (sadly) no longer an MP and Jarvis is available at 50/1.

Starmer:

- Male (slightly effete)
- Southern (very London)
- No charisma
- Yes, he could do the job well (not the politics - he'd be like a Labour Theresa May)
- Remainer (big time.. let's be honest)
- Patriotic? A tad - at heart he thinks we should be past that now
- Moderately left-wing

Conclusion? He'll get a few extra seats. He'll expunge the far-left. But he won't win.

Tend to agree, with one caveat.

If the government continues to muck things up the way they did in 2020, they'll lose, and Starmer will become PM because he's inoffensive and for want of any alternative.

And with this PM and this cabinet, that can't be ruled out.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

Philip_Thompson said:

Anabobazina said:

Pro_Rata said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

GideonWise said:

MaxPB said:

Cases now dropping like a stone WoW, deaths almost down to zero. Yet here we are sitting in the cold drinking beer while the nice warm pubs are still closed off.

The scientists have made doom porn modelling an art form. I'm still waiting for those idiots who said we'd have a third wave worse than the second wave to retract their idiot model. Their agenda is laughably transparent and it's time for them to be forced into printing retractions.

If only all those idiot scientists were as bright as MaxPB, we'd be all laughing down the pub.

Sadly they are listening to you and your types and we'll all be locked away forever if it was up to them and you. Face up to it, you would prefer everyone be locked away because some people might get the virus. Neither you nor they know what's best for the rest of us so keep your ultra lockdown, zero COVID bullshit to yourself please.

Personally, I can't see much point in bringing forward pub openings now. It's only another two weeks and any changes will cause confusion. Quite a few businesses around here are already committed to a 17th May opening, using the time until then to refurb and prepare.

As an aside, Ipswich actuary Steve Jackson is still tracking the model he created in February (see below). The actual figures are now running at about 30% better than his model projected. It's important to remember that the planned restriction easing on 17/5 and 21/6 will push R up, countered by the benificial effect of the vaccination roll-out.

All in all, I'd say we should keep to the timetable set out.

https://twitter.com/goalprojection/status/1388880520117956609?s=20

I agree. What I don't want is for the government to feel that local restrictions need to be re-introduced anywhere once they are lifted. As I've said, I'm prepared to delay locally by a couple of weeks if necessary for places to catch up, but I'm not feeling that will needed on May 17th yet. June 21st gives a good chance to suppress further and get us to very low rates by September and hopefully come and stay out of lockdown nationally. It is also when second vaccinations are caught up and first vaccinations pick up pace again, so the suppression that gives will help too.

If anywhere does need a local delay, I'd still want to see everything lifted everywhere by end of school term.

I don't much fear a full on third wave this winter, I think full escape of a variant is not that common, but local outbreaks could flare up and necessitate lighter but still unwelcome regulation. Lift when we're good and ready, be cautious on foreign travel, we can get to September with near zero cases as a point in time thing, and we can minimise niggly restriction this coming winter.

We will need to keep on top of boosters for a few years at least. If we forget, or just leave things at some point, a smaller winter wave in 2-3 years time would be a distinct possibility.

Fair enough, but they could at least declare 17 May a done deal. End the “no earlier than” nonsense so adored and oft-quoted by the lockdownistas.

17 May is a done deal, but they can't admit that because the whole point is they're 'analysing the data' coming in. You know the data is as good as it could be, I know the data is as good as it could be, but they're not going to say it yet because they're not prejudicing the data.

Just accept it as a done deal, that's precisely what everybody else is doing.

Taz said:

Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

Cocky_cockney said:

bigjohnowls said:

Stocky said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/04/internal-polling-suggests-labour-heading-for-defeat-in-hartlepool-byelection?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Who would be your choice for replacing Starmer (which it's clear you want to happen) BJO?

Khan if he can be prised from London for 2024

If its this year i would go for Rayner

No no no!!!!!

You really think Saddiq Khan is going to win over Red Wall Labour voters?

Taz said:

Final YouGov poll for the London Mayoral election has a large swing to,the Tory candidate.

I cannot believe this given the narrowing in the polls recently. It just beggars belief, if true.

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1389657497405960193?s=21

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

Do you disbelief the stories?

This stuff can and does happen. It's insane.

No, but they are less of a danger than millions of unvaccinated Americans because they are Covid-19 deniers who are being fed misinformation by the GOP.

The doctor heading a controversial physician’s advocacy group opposing government involvement in medicine has been announced as a leading witness at a US Senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee hearing on Tuesday.

Jane Orient has rejected any “anti-vaxxer” label but her criticism of coronavirus vaccines has drawn scathing rebukes from some senior politicians infuriated by her invitation to testify to Congress.

“At such a crucial time, giving a platform to conspiracy theorists to spread myths and falsehoods about Covid vaccines is downright dangerous and one of the last things Senate Republicans should be doing right now,” the Senate minority leader and New York Democrat, Chuck Schumer, said in a statement released on Sunday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/07/anti-vaccine-doctor-testify-coronavirus-senate-hearing-jane-orient

These are the people that want creationism taught in schools.

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

Zero.

There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

My daughter is 13.

She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Sometimes this stuff gets so hideous it backfires.

Check out this guy. He wanted to get a Union Jack and dip it in indigenous blood - real blood - to make an anti-colonialist artwork. He therefore went around tribes asking for donations, and they quite rightly told him he was sick in the head.

It's now been cancelled. The artist has taken the fall. The real scandal though? The owner of the festival and festival director all went along with it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56505840.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/australian-art-festival-cancels-exhibit-that-asked-for-union-jack-to-be-covered-in-indigenous-peoples-blood-12255202

MarqueeMark said:

Been out amongst the voters all day. I gather that Labour look stuffed in Hartlepool?

MarqueeMark said:

Been out amongst the voters all day. I gather that Labour look stuffed in Hartlepool?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anyhoo, I spoiled all my ballot papers by writing

'Pineapple does NOT belong on pizza.'

Pagan2 said:

As a thought on scottish independence....what if we said to the snp everytime you want a referendum you can have one. However there will be a matching referendum in the rest of the union to see if we still want you in it

Leon said:

The death of American archeology and science, via Wokeness

‘Acquiescing to tribal religious demands has meant that in some museums women are barred from handling remains. There are many accounts of archaeologists avoiding hypotheses, such as those revolving around the peopling of the Americas, because the research will contradict creation myths.’

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/responding-to-claims-of-archaeological-racism

Anabobazina said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Anabobazina said:

Pro_Rata said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

GideonWise said:

MaxPB said:

Cases now dropping like a stone WoW, deaths almost down to zero. Yet here we are sitting in the cold drinking beer while the nice warm pubs are still closed off.

The scientists have made doom porn modelling an art form. I'm still waiting for those idiots who said we'd have a third wave worse than the second wave to retract their idiot model. Their agenda is laughably transparent and it's time for them to be forced into printing retractions.

If only all those idiot scientists were as bright as MaxPB, we'd be all laughing down the pub.

Sadly they are listening to you and your types and we'll all be locked away forever if it was up to them and you. Face up to it, you would prefer everyone be locked away because some people might get the virus. Neither you nor they know what's best for the rest of us so keep your ultra lockdown, zero COVID bullshit to yourself please.

Personally, I can't see much point in bringing forward pub openings now. It's only another two weeks and any changes will cause confusion. Quite a few businesses around here are already committed to a 17th May opening, using the time until then to refurb and prepare.

As an aside, Ipswich actuary Steve Jackson is still tracking the model he created in February (see below). The actual figures are now running at about 30% better than his model projected. It's important to remember that the planned restriction easing on 17/5 and 21/6 will push R up, countered by the benificial effect of the vaccination roll-out.

All in all, I'd say we should keep to the timetable set out.

https://twitter.com/goalprojection/status/1388880520117956609?s=20

I agree. What I don't want is for the government to feel that local restrictions need to be re-introduced anywhere once they are lifted. As I've said, I'm prepared to delay locally by a couple of weeks if necessary for places to catch up, but I'm not feeling that will needed on May 17th yet. June 21st gives a good chance to suppress further and get us to very low rates by September and hopefully come and stay out of lockdown nationally. It is also when second vaccinations are caught up and first vaccinations pick up pace again, so the suppression that gives will help too.

If anywhere does need a local delay, I'd still want to see everything lifted everywhere by end of school term.

I don't much fear a full on third wave this winter, I think full escape of a variant is not that common, but local outbreaks could flare up and necessitate lighter but still unwelcome regulation. Lift when we're good and ready, be cautious on foreign travel, we can get to September with near zero cases as a point in time thing, and we can minimise niggly restriction this coming winter.

We will need to keep on top of boosters for a few years at least. If we forget, or just leave things at some point, a smaller winter wave in 2-3 years time would be a distinct possibility.

Fair enough, but they could at least declare 17 May a done deal. End the “no earlier than” nonsense so adored and oft-quoted by the lockdownistas.

17 May is a done deal, but they can't admit that because the whole point is they're 'analysing the data' coming in. You know the data is as good as it could be, I know the data is as good as it could be, but they're not going to say it yet because they're not prejudicing the data.

Just accept it as a done deal, that's precisely what everybody else is doing.

Well I certainly am, but when I try to arrange things at work eg socials, I keep getting “hopefully”, “let’s see what they say”, “that could change”. The dreaded “no earlier than” has popped up a couple of times too...

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

Zero.

There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

My daughter is 13.

She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.

No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

"Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
via @theblaze

Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21

And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.

MarqueeMark said:

Been out amongst the voters all day. I gather that Labour look stuffed in Hartlepool?

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

Zero.

There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

My daughter is 13.

She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.

No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

"Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
via @theblaze

Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21

And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.

You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.

rcs1000 said:

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

Zero.

There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

My daughter is 13.

She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.

No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

"Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
via @theblaze

Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21

And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.

You veer all over the place like a shopping trolley on this.

I've seen you (lucidly) critique white privilege, racial identity, "defund the police" Woke language and terminology, and call them nuts. I've also seen you say it's grossly exaggerated and all made up/fabricated, and suggested we're nuts.

Conclusion: you see evidence on both sides of the equation and haven't quite made up your mind on what you think about it yet.

I loathe woke, and I am massively hostile to critical race theory and the like. I think Universities should be actively shutting down departments that promote that kind of psuedoscientific hate.

But I don't see it as an existential threat to the West. Like "blackboard" and political correctness in the UK in the 1980s, there is a huge amount of exaggeration. People share things that alarm them. And the more alarming they are, the more likely they are to be shared.

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Woke Madness in American schools, part 3

‘William is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother, Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young.’

‘Last year, William took a mandatory, yearlong class called Sociology of Change in which he was asked to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities.’

‘Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.’

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1370196097918853124?s=21

Do you get this antagonised by the American right's anti science stances?

You know the Covid denying and evolution denying beliefs.

No, because the mad American creationist right is not winning the culture war. The mad identitarian American Left IS, and, what’s more, they are exporting their poisonous lunacy across the West. Including the UK. So it matters

American education is just the first great temple to fall

My son is the last year of a public elementary school in Los Angeles. We have seen literally zero indication of any of this.

Zero.

There has been a course on slavery in the US (a bad thing), but that's it.

My daughter is 13.

She has not been taught about "white privilege" or anything similar. I mean they could be saving it for when they're a bit older. But I suspect that there is no big woke reveal.

Indeed, the only thing even vaguely "woke" about their schools is that one has a single transgender toilet, which is apparently the place you go to vape and not be discovered.

I think a lot of the stories on Twitter are simply untrue, or at the least grossly exaggerated.

Look at how worked up you become - these stories are clickbait and share magnets that end up reinforcing this idea that your culture is under attack. When, in fact, kids education is basically the same as it ever was.

No, they’re true. The evidence is overwhelming

"Paul Rossi, a math teacher at Grace Church School in New York City who 'was relieved of his teaching duties' after he blew the whistle on the private school's critical race theory-based curriculum."
via @theblaze

Check the audio. The head admits they are ‘demonising white kids’. Admits it

https://twitter.com/freethepeople/status/1388576456196820993?s=21

And you know what, people won't send their kids to that PRIVATE school.

So the private school will change their curriculum, because otherwise the money will cease coming in.

On this, you’re an idiot. Sorry