American polls may now need to fundamentally change their poll weightings – politicalbetting.com
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Yes, that's an astute observation.Endillion said:
Greta Thunberg is a trap.Casino_Royale said:
The question is whether she wins over any of the unconverted/ fencesitters.kle4 said:
It's also true that even immediate actions can take a bit of time to show effect, so people may be wanting a more instant effect from their passionate campaigning.Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is that the Climate Change Act (80% reduction by 2050) was passed in 2008, well before Greta came on the scene, and the net zero law in June 2019, which was only 10 months after she first appeared on the scene. And work for it was well underway even before then.kle4 said:
You need people to push issues hard, it really does help to make things happen. Fair enough if you want to argue, even if implausibly on occasion, that not enough has happened. But at a certain point denying that things are happening at all when they are can be counter productive. Why would many ordinary people, who are concerned about climate issues, do or support proposals if the past actions apparently didn't mean anything?Casino_Royale said:
Greta is also wrong on many issues. She upbraids Governments, including ours, for doing "nothing" when in fact they're doing an awful lot.Philip_Thompson said:
Not just red wall voters. The UK cutting its emissions alone isn't going to go very far, you need to carry the Americans, Chinese, Indians etc with you too.Big_G_NorthWales said:I understand Greta Thunberg is calling herself a 'bunny hugger' after Boris's comments yesterday
These activists just do not understand that to tackle climate change they need to reach the ordinary voter who supports climate change, but when you tell them they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers, then there is little chance of their support
I commented this morning on this and thought Rachel Burden of 5 live was so on the ball with her comments
'Rachel Burden was interviewing a 'green activist' who largely welcomed HMG involvement in the debate but criticised Boris 'bunny hugging' moment
However, Rachel's response was that he was not talking to activists like her, but to those less interested in climate change and that he was making the point it was not about 'bunny huggers' but a real opportunity for investment and jobs for the future
Rachel and Boris seem to understand the red wall voters, far more than the metropolitan elite and climate enthusiasts
If you want to carry the voters of Detroit with you, you're going to go further talking about investment and jobs than you are bunnies.
The bunny huggers are already onside. The likes of Greta and David Attenborough don't need to be convinced that we need to take action. Its the others you're supposed to be convincing.
I think there's a reason someone so immature and silly as Greta is the one who takes umbrage at it, rather than someone as mature and sensible as David Attenborough.
I think it's an innocent pure Joan of Arc figurehead sort of thing going on: she appeals to those who are already pretty radical about it.
On Greta, see seems articulate enough to me and for whatever reason has struck a chord with plenty of people, but I also think that people in general have a fascination with youthful preaching/advocacy. Child campaigners (and yes she is an adult now but has been about for a few years), for better and worse, can get a lot of attention simply as a spectacle in addition to any actual merited worth.
I don't think she does.
Her purpose (not her own idea, obviously, but from those managing her) is to trick reactionary right wingers into responding to her. Inevitably, lots of them do so, not by attacking the points she makes - which is hard work, even when she's obviously wrong - but by attacking her as a person - which is a) incredibly easy, b) incredibly tempting, and c) if you forget that what you're doing is mocking a teenage girl with a developmental disorder, moderately fun (probably).
The last point is the key - it's not bad strategy to watch your opponents blunder into such an inviting trap, point out what bad people they obviously are, and claim their argument must therefore be wrong (the association fallacy) and hence the opposite of that must be correct.
I say it's not bad strategy, but I still hate absolutely everything about what I've just written.
The criticism of Spitting Image for spoofing her was instructive, because some think she's so saintly she should be beyond parody.2 -
Unlikely on the basis of what we've seen.CorrectHorseBattery said:Cummings is going to bring down Johnson?
Spicy on serious 4 of the Tories: how much more can they fuck up the country?
BoJo will never be shamed out of office, because he's shameless. Enough people publicly booing him might do the trick, but we're way off that. The Boris fans seem to be all present and correct.
On the other hand, Dom knows where all the bodies are buried- largely because he buried many of them. And Boris surely knows that. And personally, I wouldn't want Dom's vengeance visited on me.1 -
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I'm not feeling confident over that.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
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I'm quite surprised there has not been strategic pushback at the Shad Cab.Scott_xP said:
...ThomasNashe said:It’s clear that Starmer sees establishing the sleaze narrative as his best chance of a breakthrough; hence, his pressing the Dyson story despite the fact there really wasn’t much substance to it. But it looks as though DC has just handed him some rather better quality ammo.
There's been plenty of gibberish in Starmer's claims, and it is only a few days since a whole chorus of Shadow Cabinet members were repeating the stuff about the paper-shredding contract in Wales being a result of Hancock influence when that is impossible.0 -
Never said she wasn't. Her role is to communicate, and by dint of her own efforts and others she has the platform to do that and some effective messaging.IshmaelZ said:
Well, let a thousand flowers bloom. Others can do the intellectual heavy lifting, her target market is the young, with whom she seems to be very effectivekle4 said:
You're probably right, but if someone is made the face of a political movement, they cannot entirely hide behind their youth or other issues, nor can people do so on that person's behalf. Not if they simultaneously expect that person to be listened to.Endillion said:
Greta Thunberg is a trap.Casino_Royale said:
The question is whether she wins over any of the unconverted/ fencesitters.kle4 said:
It's also true that even immediate actions can take a bit of time to show effect, so people may be wanting a more instant effect from their passionate campaigning.Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is that the Climate Change Act (80% reduction by 2050) was passed in 2008, well before Greta came on the scene, and the net zero law in June 2019, which was only 10 months after she first appeared on the scene. And work for it was well underway even before then.kle4 said:
You need people to push issues hard, it really does help to make things happen. Fair enough if you want to argue, even if implausibly on occasion, that not enough has happened. But at a certain point denying that things are happening at all when they are can be counter productive. Why would many ordinary people, who are concerned about climate issues, do or support proposals if the past actions apparently didn't mean anything?Casino_Royale said:
Greta is also wrong on many issues. She upbraids Governments, including ours, for doing "nothing" when in fact they're doing an awful lot.Philip_Thompson said:
Not just red wall voters. The UK cutting its emissions alone isn't going to go very far, you need to carry the Americans, Chinese, Indians etc with you too.Big_G_NorthWales said:I understand Greta Thunberg is calling herself a 'bunny hugger' after Boris's comments yesterday
These activists just do not understand that to tackle climate change they need to reach the ordinary voter who supports climate change, but when you tell them they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers, then there is little chance of their support
I commented this morning on this and thought Rachel Burden of 5 live was so on the ball with her comments
'Rachel Burden was interviewing a 'green activist' who largely welcomed HMG involvement in the debate but criticised Boris 'bunny hugging' moment
However, Rachel's response was that he was not talking to activists like her, but to those less interested in climate change and that he was making the point it was not about 'bunny huggers' but a real opportunity for investment and jobs for the future
Rachel and Boris seem to understand the red wall voters, far more than the metropolitan elite and climate enthusiasts
If you want to carry the voters of Detroit with you, you're going to go further talking about investment and jobs than you are bunnies.
The bunny huggers are already onside. The likes of Greta and David Attenborough don't need to be convinced that we need to take action. Its the others you're supposed to be convincing.
I think there's a reason someone so immature and silly as Greta is the one who takes umbrage at it, rather than someone as mature and sensible as David Attenborough.
I think it's an innocent pure Joan of Arc figurehead sort of thing going on: she appeals to those who are already pretty radical about it.
On Greta, see seems articulate enough to me and for whatever reason has struck a chord with plenty of people, but I also think that people in general have a fascination with youthful preaching/advocacy. Child campaigners (and yes she is an adult now but has been about for a few years), for better and worse, can get a lot of attention simply as a spectacle in addition to any actual merited worth.
I don't think she does.
Her purpose (not her own idea, obviously, but from those managing her) is to trick reactionary right wingers into responding to her. Inevitably, lots of them do so, not by attacking the points she makes - which is hard work, even when she's obviously wrong - but by attacking her as a person - which is a) incredibly easy, b) incredibly tempting, and c) if you forget that what you're doing is mocking a teenage girl with a developmental disorder, moderately fun (probably).
The last point is the key - it's not bad strategy to watch your opponents blunder into such an inviting trap, point out what bad people they obviously are, and claim their argument must therefore be wrong (the association fallacy) and hence the opposite of that must be correct.
I say it's not bad strategy, but I still hate absolutely everything about what I've just written.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/05/greta-thunberg-effect-public-concern-over-environment-reaches-record-high
But she is definitely fair game for political attack, for her messages and as a person. Whether those political attacks will be reasonable or effective is another matter entirely.1 -
In my experience Twitter is far worse. And it sucks you into a group of like-minded people where you reinforce each others prejudices.kle4 said:
That is speculation of course, so one might argue that time on PB leading to partisanship and emotion may have more evidence behind it as a theory. Certainly does for me!Casino_Royale said:
You've got a bit more partisan and emotional recently.CorrectHorseBattery said:Cummings is going to bring down Johnson?
Spicy on serious 4 of the Tories: how much more can they fuck up the country?
Too much time on Twitter?
Say what you like but pb is pretty well balanced, and you have to engage with everyone.2 -
Can the Judge not simply direct the Jury here?Quincel said:
I think this is a rubbish decision by the jury, but on a point of principle I do think jury nullification is an option that they need to have as a backstop for more deserving cases.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...
Six Extinction Rebellion protesters have been cleared of causing criminal damage, despite jurors being told by the judge there was no defence in law.
With the exception of Mr Saunders - who claimed he honestly believed Shell's employees and shareholders would have consented to the damage he caused
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-56853979
The take away, smashing up a building isn't a criminal offense if you claim you were doing so to save the planet.
It's also undeniably a bit amusing that one defendant already pled guilty and then watched his comrades get away with it despite having no defence at all.0 -
Poor old Boris. Shamed into paying for the refurbishment of Downing Street out of his own pocket and he's hardly likely to be there for long. He's going to have to write a hell of a lot of rubbish for the Borisgraph to get that back
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Wow thats even older than Jack W.Pulpstar said:
No was just a random I overheard. I'm 1981Casino_Royale said:1 -
Ah. Apologies.Pulpstar said:
No was just a random I overheard. I'm 1981Casino_Royale said:0 -
No.MattW said:
Can the Judge not simply direct the Jury here?Quincel said:
I think this is a rubbish decision by the jury, but on a point of principle I do think jury nullification is an option that they need to have as a backstop for more deserving cases.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...
Six Extinction Rebellion protesters have been cleared of causing criminal damage, despite jurors being told by the judge there was no defence in law.
With the exception of Mr Saunders - who claimed he honestly believed Shell's employees and shareholders would have consented to the damage he caused
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-56853979
The take away, smashing up a building isn't a criminal offense if you claim you were doing so to save the planet.
It's also undeniably a bit amusing that one defendant already pled guilty and then watched his comrades get away with it despite having no defence at all.
Juries can acquit on whatever basis they like.3 -
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.1 -
I think everyone is getting rather worked up about an off hand comment by Kwasi. A man who, at least historically, was no vegan.Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, and the Conservatives will lose votes (including mine) if Alok Sharma and Kwasi Kwarteng start virtue-signalling about veganism.Malmesbury said:
I think you misunderstand - many Green are New Puritans.Big_G_NorthWales said:I understand Greta Thunberg is calling herself a 'bunny hugger' after Boris's comments yesterday
These activists just do not understand that to tackle climate change they need to reach the ordinary voter who supports climate change, but when you tell them they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers, then there is little chance of their support
I commented this morning on this and thought Rachel Burden of 5 live was so on the ball with her comments
'Rachel Burden was interviewing a 'green activist' who largely welcomed HMG involvement in the debate but criticised Boris 'bunny hugging' moment
However, Rachel's response was that he was not talking to activists like her, but to those less interested in climate change and that he was making the point it was not about 'bunny huggers' but a real opportunity for investment and jobs for the future
Rachel and Boris seem to understand the red wall voters, far more than the metropolitan elite and climate enthusiasts
To them a world where the ordinary people will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars (and remain very expensive), eat less meat and completely renovate their homes at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers - that is what they *want*
They simply don't understand - I will do virtually anything for climate change but ditching meat is simply not something I will ever be prepared to do and nor will millions of others.
They need sustainable technological solutions to mixed and traditional forms of agriculture that people can get behind, or they'll be told to piss off.0 -
Like Alex Salmond in the SNP?Theuniondivvie said:
Will the modern equivalent of Stalinist photo editing, excising old tweets, be taking place?TheScreamingEagles said:Thoughts and prayers for the Boris Johnson fanbois and fangirls who so comprehensively defended Dominic Cummings after his sojourn to Bernard Castle saying he was a top bloke, beyond reproach.
Especially Suella Braverman.
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Have you seen what Theresa May makes for speeches? Money once he is out of office should not be difficult (I find it hard to believe he struggles for cash even in office, even with talk of profligcacy, divorces and the rest).Roger said:Poor old Boris. Shamed into paying for the refurbishment of Downing Street out of his own pocket and he's hardly likely to be there for long. He's going to have to write a hell of a lot of rubbish for the Borisgraph to get that back
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They haven't got a brain cell between them!IanB2 said:
Looking forward to the time when his PB fanclub members will be truly ashamed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Believe you are the first person to ever equate the term "good manager" with Boris Johnson.Philip_Thompson said:
Good managers stand by their team and don't drop them at the first bit of difficulty.Scott_xP said:
BoZo vouched for himBig_G_NorthWales said:Cummings comprehensively trashed his own name in the public's perception
He's been called MANY things - but NEVER that!0 -
Some of the newer plant products are very good in terms of taste. I'd question the texture in places but then a lot of real meat products seem unpleasantly slimy to me which might be why I largely stick to fish. When I last had a job, apparently the fake sausage rolls were more popular than the real ones.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
ETA cauliflower steak is just a fried slice of cauliflower so not the same thing.0 -
I quite often have a veggie pie or similar with a steak.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
Gives a nice selection of veg.
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Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.0 -
The Cambridge Union for the coming term is offering speeches from Mrs May, along with (separately) Ed Milipede and Alan Sugar.kle4 said:
Have you seen what Theresa May makes for speeches? Money once he is out of office should not be difficult (I find it hard to believe he struggles for cash even in office, even with talk of profligcacy, divorces and the rest).Roger said:Poor old Boris. Shamed into paying for the refurbishment of Downing Street out of his own pocket and he's hardly likely to be there for long. He's going to have to write a hell of a lot of rubbish for the Borisgraph to get that back
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The last thing some vegans want is more vegans. They see it as a social justice movement for the pure. Occasional lapses are not tolerated...DecrepiterJohnL said:
Some of the newer plant products are very good in terms of taste. I'd question the texture in places but then a lot of real meat products seem unpleasantly slimy to me which might be why I largely stick to fish. When I last had a job, apparently the fake sausage rolls were more popular than the real ones.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.0 -
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.1 -
Ouch. Feel for you, bro and hope you're feeling better soon!Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.
BUT aren't you a bit worried, now that your last remaining bit of wisdom has been extracted?0 -
Best of luck!Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.2 -
CNN: So far, patients with a rare and dangerous blood clotting syndrome linked with Johnson & Johnson’s coronavirus vaccine have started showing symptoms one to two weeks after getting the vaccine, a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention expert said Friday.
And symptoms are similar to those seen among people who experienced blood clots after getting AstraZeneca’s vaccine in Europe and the UK, the CDC’s Dr. Tom Shimabukuro told a meeting of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushel's_Casercs1000 said:
No.MattW said:
Can the Judge not simply direct the Jury here?Quincel said:
I think this is a rubbish decision by the jury, but on a point of principle I do think jury nullification is an option that they need to have as a backstop for more deserving cases.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...
Six Extinction Rebellion protesters have been cleared of causing criminal damage, despite jurors being told by the judge there was no defence in law.
With the exception of Mr Saunders - who claimed he honestly believed Shell's employees and shareholders would have consented to the damage he caused
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-56853979
The take away, smashing up a building isn't a criminal offense if you claim you were doing so to save the planet.
It's also undeniably a bit amusing that one defendant already pled guilty and then watched his comrades get away with it despite having no defence at all.
Juries can acquit on whatever basis they like.0 -
Thanks. Just the one. The other three weren't causing me jip, so they've stayed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Ouch. Feel for you, bro and hope you're feeling better soon!Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.
BUT aren't you a bit worried, now that your last remaining bit of wisdom has been extracted?
I'm a aint broke don't fix it guy.0 -
Don't worry; we've definitely got a bunch of teenagers on here masquerading as adults.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not feeling confident over that.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Although now the thought occurs that you might just be one of them, hence your lack of confidence...
(not meant seriously, for the avoidance of any doubt ) 1 -
Has any GOP politician come out as an anti-vaxxer ?rcs1000 said:
Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.0 -
Monkfish curry is simply sublime.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Some of the newer plant products are very good in terms of taste. I'd question the texture in places but then a lot of real meat products seem unpleasantly slimy to me which might be why I largely stick to fish. When I last had a job, apparently the fake sausage rolls were more popular than the real ones.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
ETA cauliflower steak is just a fried slice of cauliflower so not the same thing.
I'd love one of those actually, with a red wine (meaty fish so ok).0 -
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But, it sounds like that will change.rcs1000 said:
I think everyone is getting rather worked up about an off hand comment by Kwasi. A man who, at least historically, was no vegan.Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, and the Conservatives will lose votes (including mine) if Alok Sharma and Kwasi Kwarteng start virtue-signalling about veganism.Malmesbury said:
I think you misunderstand - many Green are New Puritans.Big_G_NorthWales said:I understand Greta Thunberg is calling herself a 'bunny hugger' after Boris's comments yesterday
These activists just do not understand that to tackle climate change they need to reach the ordinary voter who supports climate change, but when you tell them they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers, then there is little chance of their support
I commented this morning on this and thought Rachel Burden of 5 live was so on the ball with her comments
'Rachel Burden was interviewing a 'green activist' who largely welcomed HMG involvement in the debate but criticised Boris 'bunny hugging' moment
However, Rachel's response was that he was not talking to activists like her, but to those less interested in climate change and that he was making the point it was not about 'bunny huggers' but a real opportunity for investment and jobs for the future
Rachel and Boris seem to understand the red wall voters, far more than the metropolitan elite and climate enthusiasts
To them a world where the ordinary people will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars (and remain very expensive), eat less meat and completely renovate their homes at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers - that is what they *want*
They simply don't understand - I will do virtually anything for climate change but ditching meat is simply not something I will ever be prepared to do and nor will millions of others.
They need sustainable technological solutions to mixed and traditional forms of agriculture that people can get behind, or they'll be told to piss off.
It displays poor political judgement - even though he was set a bit of a trap by the media to fall into. I know he's a mate of yours so perhaps tell him that's gone down like a cup of cold sick with many core Conservatives.0 -
Never mind Theresa May. David Cameron was in line for £60 million in share options for sending a few text messages.kle4 said:
Have you seen what Theresa May makes for speeches? Money once he is out of office should not be difficult (I find it hard to believe he struggles for cash even in office, even with talk of profligcacy, divorces and the rest).Roger said:Poor old Boris. Shamed into paying for the refurbishment of Downing Street out of his own pocket and he's hardly likely to be there for long. He's going to have to write a hell of a lot of rubbish for the Borisgraph to get that back
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Thanks mateJonathan said:
Best of luck!Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.0 -
Not sure this over yet for the evening.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/13856489938085724160 -
Does Kronke even know where the Emirates is?Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go1 -
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Dear me! No one gives a shit about Cummings.....just what he's got to say and to quote Edward G 'He's singing like a canary'!Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest those now seeing Cummings as a threat to Boris is hope over expectationSouthamObserver said:
The Tories are too invested in Johnson now. And he is liked by their voting demographic. He is going nowhere on the back of this. His future is tied to the strength of the post-pandemic recovery, nothing else. Though perhaps sleaze will be the excuse to oust him if that does not go well.Scott_xP said:
If ditching BoZo is the best way to head off the landslide of sleaze engulfing the party, Sir Graham Brady might be a busy boySouthamObserver said:I cannot believe anyone is getting excited about this Cummings intervention. It will have no impact on anything. Johnson has so lowered the bar in terms of probity, honesty and integrity that there is almost nothing he can do that is not priced in. The only way this will get any legs is if Tory MPs start to demand answers. Reader: they won't.
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UK’s Berlusconi. They all know he’s dishonest and corrupt. But it suits them to back him for the time being. Until it doesn’t.Scott_xP said:Not sure this over yet for the evening.
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Have we had the analysis by the EMA that in all circumstances, and all levels of Covid in the wild, the AZ vaccine is a big benefit despite blood clots?
Thread here:
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1385595111925497856
This is the vid of the EMA Presser. I love that it is set out like Kraftwerk for Vampires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeEecXcOtAw0 -
Post-Cummings quiet life goes to pot as ‘No 10 sources’ leak and brief https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/23/post-cummings-quiet-life-goes-to-pot-as-no-10-sources-leak-and-brief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0
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I feel for you having just recently had an extractionCasino_Royale said:
Thanks. Just the one. The other three weren't causing me jip, so they've stayed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Ouch. Feel for you, bro and hope you're feeling better soon!Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.
BUT aren't you a bit worried, now that your last remaining bit of wisdom has been extracted?
I'm a aint broke don't fix it guy.
Important to keep an eye on it and if necessary go back to the dentist to check it out
in my case it was not right after a few days and I decided to leave contacting the dentist until the Monday rather than going on the Friday only for the dentist to diagnose an infection and it required two courses of antibiotics and two further visits to resolve it
Hopefully you will be fine in a couple of days but do not worry about bothering your dentist if you are unsure
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I wonder if Dom has the emails and texts to back up the claims in his blog...IanB2 said:
UK’s Berlusconi. They all know he’s dishonest and corrupt. But it suits them to back him for the time being. Until it doesn’t.Scott_xP said:Not sure this over yet for the evening.
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So you've still got some wisdom in you? The tooth butchers yanked out all of mine years ago!Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. Just the one. The other three weren't causing me jip, so they've stayed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Ouch. Feel for you, bro and hope you're feeling better soon!Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.
BUT aren't you a bit worried, now that your last remaining bit of wisdom has been extracted?
I'm a aint broke don't fix it guy.1 -
I would love to see her criticize the Chinese with as much vehemence as she criticizes the Americans.Casino_Royale said:
The question is whether she wins over any of the unconverted/ fencesitters.kle4 said:
It's also true that even immediate actions can take a bit of time to show effect, so people may be wanting a more instant effect from their passionate campaigning.Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is that the Climate Change Act (80% reduction by 2050) was passed in 2008, well before Greta came on the scene, and the net zero law in June 2019, which was only 10 months after she first appeared on the scene. And work for it was well underway even before then.kle4 said:
You need people to push issues hard, it really does help to make things happen. Fair enough if you want to argue, even if implausibly on occasion, that not enough has happened. But at a certain point denying that things are happening at all when they are can be counter productive. Why would many ordinary people, who are concerned about climate issues, do or support proposals if the past actions apparently didn't mean anything?Casino_Royale said:
Greta is also wrong on many issues. She upbraids Governments, including ours, for doing "nothing" when in fact they're doing an awful lot.Philip_Thompson said:
Not just red wall voters. The UK cutting its emissions alone isn't going to go very far, you need to carry the Americans, Chinese, Indians etc with you too.Big_G_NorthWales said:I understand Greta Thunberg is calling herself a 'bunny hugger' after Boris's comments yesterday
These activists just do not understand that to tackle climate change they need to reach the ordinary voter who supports climate change, but when you tell them they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers, then there is little chance of their support
I commented this morning on this and thought Rachel Burden of 5 live was so on the ball with her comments
'Rachel Burden was interviewing a 'green activist' who largely welcomed HMG involvement in the debate but criticised Boris 'bunny hugging' moment
However, Rachel's response was that he was not talking to activists like her, but to those less interested in climate change and that he was making the point it was not about 'bunny huggers' but a real opportunity for investment and jobs for the future
Rachel and Boris seem to understand the red wall voters, far more than the metropolitan elite and climate enthusiasts
If you want to carry the voters of Detroit with you, you're going to go further talking about investment and jobs than you are bunnies.
The bunny huggers are already onside. The likes of Greta and David Attenborough don't need to be convinced that we need to take action. Its the others you're supposed to be convincing.
I think there's a reason someone so immature and silly as Greta is the one who takes umbrage at it, rather than someone as mature and sensible as David Attenborough.
I think it's an innocent pure Joan of Arc figurehead sort of thing going on: she appeals to those who are already pretty radical about it.
On Greta, see seems articulate enough to me and for whatever reason has struck a chord with plenty of people, but I also think that people in general have a fascination with youthful preaching/advocacy. Child campaigners (and yes she is an adult now but has been about for a few years), for better and worse, can get a lot of attention simply as a spectacle in addition to any actual merited worth.
I don't think she does.4 -
The menu in the pub where I had lunch today had vegan meat balls. My friend and I agreed this was virtually a fraud on the customers.Pagan2 said:
Will believe it when I see it frankly. Meat is not just about taste but texture as well. From all reports I have seen from people that have tried what is currently there it fails at bothMalmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.1 -
And it involved the NHS so seen as the equivalent of robbing the local church of its valuables.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Never mind Theresa May. David Cameron was in line for £60 million in share options for sending a few text messages.kle4 said:
Have you seen what Theresa May makes for speeches? Money once he is out of office should not be difficult (I find it hard to believe he struggles for cash even in office, even with talk of profligcacy, divorces and the rest).Roger said:Poor old Boris. Shamed into paying for the refurbishment of Downing Street out of his own pocket and he's hardly likely to be there for long. He's going to have to write a hell of a lot of rubbish for the Borisgraph to get that back
Whereas giving some bloke a few quid to do some wallpapering is the sort of thing tens of millions of people have done.0 -
See also various incidents throughout the last year.tlg86 said:Not much social distancing...
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisWheatley_/status/1385646570994081794
A viral plague, and the associated tedious rules that everyone else is made to follow, mean nothing compared to a demo about whatever the moment's cause celebre happens to be.
But especially bloody football.1 -
Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/
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Of course, didn’t you know that the nasty virus that’s going round can’t be spread between people who are protesting.Black_Rook said:
See also various incidents throughout the last year.tlg86 said:Not much social distancing...
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisWheatley_/status/1385646570994081794
A viral plague, and the associated tedious rules that everyone else is made to follow, mean nothing compared to a demo about whatever the moment's cause celebre happens to be.
But especially bloody football.0 -
The key flaw in the environmental movement is that most of them are watermelons. So they can only critique the West, because complaining about whatever shit Xi Jinping is getting up to, or Brazilians, Congolese and Indonesians hacking down their rainforest, is racist/colonialist/imperialist (and anyway it's all really the fault of Western consumerism anyway.) It's consequently impossible for the developed world to do enough, and not incumbent upon anybody else to do anything at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I would love to see her criticize the Chinese with as much vehemence as she criticizes the Americans.Casino_Royale said:
The question is whether she wins over any of the unconverted/ fencesitters.kle4 said:
It's also true that even immediate actions can take a bit of time to show effect, so people may be wanting a more instant effect from their passionate campaigning.Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is that the Climate Change Act (80% reduction by 2050) was passed in 2008, well before Greta came on the scene, and the net zero law in June 2019, which was only 10 months after she first appeared on the scene. And work for it was well underway even before then.kle4 said:
You need people to push issues hard, it really does help to make things happen. Fair enough if you want to argue, even if implausibly on occasion, that not enough has happened. But at a certain point denying that things are happening at all when they are can be counter productive. Why would many ordinary people, who are concerned about climate issues, do or support proposals if the past actions apparently didn't mean anything?Casino_Royale said:
Greta is also wrong on many issues. She upbraids Governments, including ours, for doing "nothing" when in fact they're doing an awful lot.Philip_Thompson said:
Not just red wall voters. The UK cutting its emissions alone isn't going to go very far, you need to carry the Americans, Chinese, Indians etc with you too.Big_G_NorthWales said:I understand Greta Thunberg is calling herself a 'bunny hugger' after Boris's comments yesterday
These activists just do not understand that to tackle climate change they need to reach the ordinary voter who supports climate change, but when you tell them they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers, then there is little chance of their support
I commented this morning on this and thought Rachel Burden of 5 live was so on the ball with her comments
'Rachel Burden was interviewing a 'green activist' who largely welcomed HMG involvement in the debate but criticised Boris 'bunny hugging' moment
However, Rachel's response was that he was not talking to activists like her, but to those less interested in climate change and that he was making the point it was not about 'bunny huggers' but a real opportunity for investment and jobs for the future
Rachel and Boris seem to understand the red wall voters, far more than the metropolitan elite and climate enthusiasts
If you want to carry the voters of Detroit with you, you're going to go further talking about investment and jobs than you are bunnies.
The bunny huggers are already onside. The likes of Greta and David Attenborough don't need to be convinced that we need to take action. Its the others you're supposed to be convincing.
I think there's a reason someone so immature and silly as Greta is the one who takes umbrage at it, rather than someone as mature and sensible as David Attenborough.
I think it's an innocent pure Joan of Arc figurehead sort of thing going on: she appeals to those who are already pretty radical about it.
On Greta, see seems articulate enough to me and for whatever reason has struck a chord with plenty of people, but I also think that people in general have a fascination with youthful preaching/advocacy. Child campaigners (and yes she is an adult now but has been about for a few years), for better and worse, can get a lot of attention simply as a spectacle in addition to any actual merited worth.
I don't think she does.
Besides which, many American voters engage positively with Green messages. Chinese subjects aren't allowed to engage with anything not approved of by the CCP, and the CCP would tell Western Greens to fuck off.4 -
So why is Jo Biden still sitting on his vaccine stockpile - especially the non-approved Az/J&J - like a broody old chuck?rcs1000 said:
Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.
I understand that even the legal impediments are fairly trivial.
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Covid variation on an old joke. Jesus asked God where he had been for the last few months.' All over Yorkshire' said God. 'But what about the pandemic and the lockdown' said Jesus.' Working from home, son, working from home.'2
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And thus the narrative moves swiftly on from "Ha! Aren't they hopeless, can't even talk to Australia without insulting them?!" to "Why are they bothering with puny, pathetic Australia, when all that matters is the EU?" Or something.another_richard said:Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/3 -
Agreed. I'd happily have either as a regular alternative to real meat. Are they available in the UK yet?rcs1000 said:
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.0 -
Wow. That's a great case.IshmaelZ said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushel's_Casercs1000 said:
No.MattW said:
Can the Judge not simply direct the Jury here?Quincel said:
I think this is a rubbish decision by the jury, but on a point of principle I do think jury nullification is an option that they need to have as a backstop for more deserving cases.FrancisUrquhart said:FFS...
Six Extinction Rebellion protesters have been cleared of causing criminal damage, despite jurors being told by the judge there was no defence in law.
With the exception of Mr Saunders - who claimed he honestly believed Shell's employees and shareholders would have consented to the damage he caused
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-56853979
The take away, smashing up a building isn't a criminal offense if you claim you were doing so to save the planet.
It's also undeniably a bit amusing that one defendant already pled guilty and then watched his comrades get away with it despite having no defence at all.
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I don't think any of those things will happen. We'll find a better way to be able to do things, just as we have before. We need to be optimistic about the future like we were in the 60s to the 90s, not always implying that people are idiots, especially ordinary people in western countries.ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.2 -
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You are probably right, but the policy direction is most certainly the former. We are been dragged down by doom goblins and watermelons who seemed to have captured the prime minister.Andy_JS said:
I don't think any of those things will happen. We'll find a better way to be able to do those things, just as we have before.ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.0 -
Still seems like "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to me". It's no surprise all the Boris Fanboys jumping on the like button.Black_Rook said:
And thus the narrative moves swiftly on from "Ha! Aren't they hopeless, can't even talk to Australia without insulting them?!" to "Why are they bothering with puny, pathetic Australia, when all that matters is the EU?" Or something.another_richard said:Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/0 -
I don't know, but they really are a revelation. I mean, they don't replace a steak, but if I'm just adding protein that's going to be drowned out by other flavours (see Bolognase), then I might as well use Beyond or Impossible.rpjs said:
Agreed. I'd happily have either as a regular alternative to real meat. Are they available in the UK yet?rcs1000 said:
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
My wife is a big fan of the Beyond sausages, and jokes that they contain as much meat than the average hot dog.0 -
More like rearranging the deck chairs on a Carnival Cruise line.Daveyboy1961 said:
Still seems like "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to me". It's no surprise all the Boris Fanboys jumping on the like button.Black_Rook said:
And thus the narrative moves swiftly on from "Ha! Aren't they hopeless, can't even talk to Australia without insulting them?!" to "Why are they bothering with puny, pathetic Australia, when all that matters is the EU?" Or something.another_richard said:Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/0 -
Some have short memories....I remember Man City in League One....At that time, the closest they had to getting Pep even visit the training ground would be some 2-bit impersonator off the internet.Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
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I wish you well.Casino_Royale said:
As it happens I have had a needle in me today but that was for a general anaesthetic: I had a nasty impacted wisdom tooth removed that was playing on my facial nerves.Pulpstar said:
Remember last one to be vaxxed gets the pb drinks inCasino_Royale said:
Lucky devil!Pulpstar said:
Surgery sent me a message. No pre existing. Luck I guessCasino_Royale said:@Pulpstar you're the same age as me! How come you've got your vac today? Luck? Pre-existing condition?
Pleased for you though.
Now praying I can suppress the pain with co-codamal and ibuprofen.
One of my wisdom teeth came through deformed. Gave me no trouble for many years but then started playing up. Made an appointment to have it removed, and then developed an abscess on my back.
On the day of the removal, Pain from the abscess caused me to fall out of bed, which caused the abscess to burst. Had to go to the local minor injuries unit to have it looked at/dressed. Nurse there said it needed attention from A&E and phoned ahead for me, spoketothe relevant surgeon. So then I had to get a taxi so as not to be late for the wisdom tooth extraction, after which I had to get train & taxi to get to A&E. Then I had to get back to the hospital the next morning (early) for an OP under GA. Was done quite early & had to wait the rest of the day before they could make arrangements for an overnight sitter for me. Finally they got me into a taxi for the journey home, then the taxi driver freaked out about taking an unaccompanied patient all that way. She had to get another driver to come to the hospital & take over.
Got home about 8pm to find the sitter had been & gone.
It was quite a saga.1 -
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
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Both VA and MD are progressing quickly. I think VA is at 50% alreadyMattW said:
So why is Jo Biden still sitting on his vaccine stockpile - especially the non-approved Az/J&J - like a broody old chuck?rcs1000 said:
Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.
I understand that even the legal impediments are fairly trivial.0 -
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And MD is at 80% seniors and 50% all adultsTimT said:
Both VA and MD are progressing quickly. I think VA is at 50% alreadyMattW said:
So why is Jo Biden still sitting on his vaccine stockpile - especially the non-approved Az/J&J - like a broody old chuck?rcs1000 said:
Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.
I understand that even the legal impediments are fairly trivial.0 -
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
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Why not have a tin of chickpeas if you don't want meat ?rcs1000 said:
I don't know, but they really are a revelation. I mean, they don't replace a steak, but if I'm just adding protein that's going to be drowned out by other flavours (see Bolognase), then I might as well use Beyond or Impossible.rpjs said:
Agreed. I'd happily have either as a regular alternative to real meat. Are they available in the UK yet?rcs1000 said:
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
My wife is a big fan of the Beyond sausages, and jokes that they contain as much meat than the average hot dog.0 -
That thread points us, via The Independent, to last Wednesday's PMQs.Scott_xP said:Not sure this over yet for the evening.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1385648993808572416
Ian Blackford, SNP:
This morning’s revelations surrounding the Prime Minister’s interference in covid contracts are incredibly serious. Whether it is cash for questions in the ’90s or texts for contracts during this pandemic, people know that this is the same old story; this is how the Tories do government. The Prime Minister is at the very heart of this scandal. Will he reveal today how many more covid contracts he personally fixed? If he has nothing to hide, will he publish all personal exchanges on these contracts before the end of the day?
The Prime Minister
Of course, there is absolutely nothing to conceal about this. I am happy to share all the details with the House, as indeed I have shared them with my officials, immediately.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-04-21/debates/B745435E-4F01-4C57-9980-70DB78E43CD3/Engagements0 -
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
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CNN) The Justice Department has charged a Capitol rioter who was turned in by someone he matched with on the dating app Bumble, after he bragged about his exploits on January 6.
According to court documents, one week after the attack, Robert Chapman of New York told one of his Bumble matches that "I did storm the Capitol" and said that he "made it all the way into Statuary Hall." He also claimed that he was interviewed by members of the media.
The other Bumble user replied, "we are not a match."0 -
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
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How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Forget WBA beating Chelsea, Leeds beating Man City, Leicester winning the EPL....most EPL teams, your never even keeping your stars players for more than a season or two. There is no dream....0 -
CNN: President Joe Biden will embark upon his first foreign trip in June, the White House said on Friday, with plans to attend the Group of 7 summit in southwestern England and diplomatic meetings in Brussels0
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Dominic Cummings has launched an unprecedented and extraordinary attack on Boris Johnson, alleging that the prime minister tried to quash a leak inquiry as it implicated an ally, and hatched a “possibly illegal” plan for donors to pay to renovate his flat.
The outburst by Cummings, a day after anonymous No 10 sources claimed that he had leaked private text messages between Johnson and the billionaire James Dyson, prompted Labour to accuse the government of “fighting each other like rats in a sack”.
Cummings used a lengthy post on his personal blog to deny any leaking. Instead, he accused Johnson and his team of a series of wrongdoings. He said the prime minister had behaved in a way he considered “mad and totally unethical”, and warned that he would happily give evidence under oath to an inquiry.
“It is sad to see the PM and his office fall so far below the standards of competence and integrity the country deserves,” he wrote.
Such a damning intervention by the man who was Johnson’s key ally and ideological inspiration will deeply alarm the prime minister and his aides. Cummings is due to give evidence to MPs next month.0 -
There is a danger of that, but I’d take the risk on 50+1 if it meant the Americans lost their shirts.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Uzmanov never owned much and certainly never had control (much to the disappointment of some fans).0 -
I am beginning to fear that the wheeze of having crowds for the final 2 games may prove to be ill judged.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
There is the prospect of serious disorder.
Meanwhile. Ancelloti "We would like these fans inside the stadium."
I'm sure he would.1 -
One's not a substitute for the other, but (a) it's also considerably more than nothing, and (b) these arrangements will build in value over time.Daveyboy1961 said:
Still seems like "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to me". It's no surprise all the Boris Fanboys jumping on the like button.Black_Rook said:
And thus the narrative moves swiftly on from "Ha! Aren't they hopeless, can't even talk to Australia without insulting them?!" to "Why are they bothering with puny, pathetic Australia, when all that matters is the EU?" Or something.another_richard said:Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/
Besides which, (c) Europe accounts for an ever-decreasing share of world economic activity, and it may very well turn out that the British Government has more to gain in the long run from functioning as an independent actor when dealing with everyone else than it does from being a peripheral member of a protectionist bloc. We shall find out in the fullness of time.1 -
But he did close down Boris's website iirc (?)tlg86 said:
There is a danger of that, but I’d take the risk on 50+1 if it meant the Americans lost their shirts.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Uzmanov never owned much and certainly never had control (much to the disappointment of some fans).0 -
You've convinced me to try Impossible or Beyond in pasta. Have you tried them as burgers on a grill?rcs1000 said:
I don't know, but they really are a revelation. I mean, they don't replace a steak, but if I'm just adding protein that's going to be drowned out by other flavours (see Bolognase), then I might as well use Beyond or Impossible.rpjs said:
Agreed. I'd happily have either as a regular alternative to real meat. Are they available in the UK yet?rcs1000 said:
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
My wife is a big fan of the Beyond sausages, and jokes that they contain as much meat than the average hot dog.0 -
More than a danger, it will be the reality. 2-3 clubs, basically Man Utd and Liverpool, have the worldwide commercial star power to manage to afford to continue with their ways, the rest, your fighting for scraps. But remember, it will also mean more begging and time in China, as they will need their vast reddies.tlg86 said:
There is a danger of that, but I’d take the risk on 50+1 if it meant the Americans lost their shirts.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Uzmanov never owned much and certainly never had control (much to the disappointment of some fans).
Going to be a bit tricky for all those moral crusader fans when they are told you can only keep the star player if we do a load more business with the Chinese in order to earn the millions required to keep him.1 -
Well, that's a complicated question. Part of it is the Emergent Biosciences plant (with 150 MILLION unused doses) is simply not certified. And part is an overabundance of caution.MattW said:
So why is Jo Biden still sitting on his vaccine stockpile - especially the non-approved Az/J&J - like a broody old chuck?rcs1000 said:
Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.
I understand that even the legal impediments are fairly trivial.0 -
This one’s for the PM:IanB2 said:Dominic Cummings has launched an unprecedented and extraordinary attack on Boris Johnson, alleging that the prime minister tried to quash a leak inquiry as it implicated an ally, and hatched a “possibly illegal” plan for donors to pay to renovate his flat.
The outburst by Cummings, a day after anonymous No 10 sources claimed that he had leaked private text messages between Johnson and the billionaire James Dyson, prompted Labour to accuse the government of “fighting each other like rats in a sack”.
Cummings used a lengthy post on his personal blog to deny any leaking. Instead, he accused Johnson and his team of a series of wrongdoings. He said the prime minister had behaved in a way he considered “mad and totally unethical”, and warned that he would happily give evidence under oath to an inquiry.
“It is sad to see the PM and his office fall so far below the standards of competence and integrity the country deserves,” he wrote.
Such a damning intervention by the man who was Johnson’s key ally and ideological inspiration will deeply alarm the prime minister and his aides. Cummings is due to give evidence to MPs next month.
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Yes. And they're not good enough.TimT said:
You've convinced me to try Impossible or Beyond in pasta. Have you tried them as burgers on a grill?rcs1000 said:
I don't know, but they really are a revelation. I mean, they don't replace a steak, but if I'm just adding protein that's going to be drowned out by other flavours (see Bolognase), then I might as well use Beyond or Impossible.rpjs said:
Agreed. I'd happily have either as a regular alternative to real meat. Are they available in the UK yet?rcs1000 said:
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
My wife is a big fan of the Beyond sausages, and jokes that they contain as much meat than the average hot dog.0 -
Is it worth it? It seems to be presumed that 2deg C of warming is such a potential catastrophe that its worth any amount of sacrifice to avoid it. This is a dubious assumption on two grounds:ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
1) Other than loudly bleating about the "scientific consensus" being that warming is bad, and periodically blaming any bad weather of any kind on global warming (usually just as unsupported assertion) no one seems to want to talk about what a given degree of warning might mean. It would be logical to expect both winners and losers from the process to start with, but no one seems to want to talk about any potential gains, only losses, and only then in the most nebulous of terms.
2) Even if the answer to "1)" is indeed warning is very bad, it doesn't mean that preventing it is of infinite utility, or even necessarily greater utility than the things which cause the warning. Owning a house is of great utility to me, but that doesn't mean it would be wise to auction off my underwear and put the cash towards a house - partly because the value raised would be meaningless against a house, and mainly because I'd find having cold nuts/and or being arrested for public indecency a far bigger deal than not owning a house.
In a global context, the west has done its bit on emissions, and then some. We're howling at the moon if we think that the Chinese care about our latest efforts to vitue signal our way to the stone age, or have any serious intention to reduce emissions any more than is convenient for them anyway.
We're just offering them another chance to take advantage of our willingness to trash our Western lives (particularly for the poor) so our leaders can strutt about and preen themselves to each other, before jetting off to the next global summit on poverty.
Any serious attempt to implement Boris's new target will result in a drop in living standards for working people of a size never seen before. What I can't understand is why the left is just nodding along to this - they should be screaming about the injustices that will result, where only the wealthy can fly abroad, where only the wealthy can drive long distances, where only the wealthy can heat their homes, or eat steak - because that is the reality of the future we're signed up thanks to successive governments of several hues.0 -
That is more to do with the distribution of shared TV and commercial revenues.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Forget WBA beating Chelsea, Leeds beating Man City, Leicester winning the EPL....most EPL teams, your never even keeping your stars players for more than a season or two. There is no dream....
In Germany the bottom club receives about 40% of the top club and then gets relegated to a league with far lower revenue.
In England the bottom club receives about 60% of the top club, and then gets significant parachute payments.0 -
Chicken and egg.....EPL is big bucks around the world, because it is such a competitive and exciting league, so can afford to share that massive pie. The tv deals for the foreign coverage is now basically as big as the Sky deal.noneoftheabove said:
That is more to do with the distribution of shared TV and commercial revenues.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Forget WBA beating Chelsea, Leeds beating Man City, Leicester winning the EPL....most EPL teams, your never even keeping your stars players for more than a season or two. There is no dream....
In Germany the bottom club receives about 40% of the top club and then gets relegated to a league with far lower revenue.
In England the bottom club receives about 60% of the top club, and then gets significant parachute payments.
Millions aren't getting up at all hours to watch every Bundersliga games.0 -
I’ve never been worried about losing star players. The best times as an Arsenal fan were when we were living within our means turning decent players into stars. The last five years haven’t been much fun.FrancisUrquhart said:
More than a danger, it will be the reality. 2-3 clubs, basically Man Utd and Liverpool, have the worldwide commercial star power to manage to afford to continue with their ways, the rest, your fighting for scraps. But remember, it will also mean more begging and time in China, as they will need their vast reddies.tlg86 said:
There is a danger of that, but I’d take the risk on 50+1 if it meant the Americans lost their shirts.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Uzmanov never owned much and certainly never had control (much to the disappointment of some fans).
Going to be a bit tricky for all those moral crusader fans when they are told you can only keep the star player if we do a load more business with the Chinese in order to earn the millions required to keep him.
You’d have to ask Chelsea and City fans how they’d feel about potentially losing their sugar daddies.0 -
Maybe, but I am worried that the fulness of time is so long that our economy stumbles on like a war wounded soldier, and is unable to recover. I still remember the phrase of "sick man of Europe" from the 60s before we entered the EU.Black_Rook said:
One's not a substitute for the other, but (a) it's also considerably more than nothing, and (b) these arrangements will build in value over time.Daveyboy1961 said:
Still seems like "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to me". It's no surprise all the Boris Fanboys jumping on the like button.Black_Rook said:
And thus the narrative moves swiftly on from "Ha! Aren't they hopeless, can't even talk to Australia without insulting them?!" to "Why are they bothering with puny, pathetic Australia, when all that matters is the EU?" Or something.another_richard said:Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/
Besides which, (c) Europe accounts for an ever-decreasing share of world economic activity, and it may very well turn out that the British Government has more to gain in the long run from functioning as an independent actor when dealing with everyone else than it does from being a peripheral member of a protectionist bloc. We shall find out in the fullness of time.
Also not sure where you get the idea that EU is a reducing trade share of the world.0 -
Could you be a bit more specific as to what outrage JoE Biden is committing re: vac?MattW said:
So why is Jo Biden still sitting on his vaccine stockpile - especially the non-approved Az/J&J - like a broody old chuck?rcs1000 said:
Vaccines are available in pretty much any pharmacy now. In some US states (Alabama, etc) they seem to be at only about 30% of the adult population vaccinated, and the numbers getting jabbed are falling every day.williamglenn said:The US seems to have reached peak demand. On present trends, we'll overtake their vaccination rate again soon.
While California, New York and other liberal areas are probably going to see vaccination rates of 65%+, you might well see endemic Covid problems in other parts of the country.
I understand that even the legal impediments are fairly trivial.0 -
Ouch.Andy_JS said:New blog post by Dom.
https://dominiccummings.com/2021/04/23/statement-regarding-no10-claims-today/2 -
So are you saying we shouldn't even try?theProle said:<
1) Other than loudly bleating about the "scientific consensus" being that warming is bad, and periodically blaming any bad weather of any kind on global warming (usually just as unsupported assertion) no one seems to want to talk about what a given degree of warning might mean. It would be logical to expect both winners and losers from the process to start with, but no one seems to want to talk about any potential gains, only losses, and only then in the most nebulous of terms.
2) Even if the answer to "1)" is indeed warning is very bad, it doesn't mean that preventing it is of infinite utility, or even necessarily greater utility than the things which cause the warning. Owning a house is of great utility to me, but that doesn't mean it would be wise to auction off my underwear and put the cash towards a house - partly because the value raised would be meaningless against a house, and mainly because I'd find having cold nuts/and or being arrested for public indecency a far bigger deal than not owning a house.
In a global context, the west has done its bit on emissions, and then some. We're howling at the moon if we think that the Chinese care about our latest efforts to vitue signal our way to the stone age, or have any serious intention to reduce emissions any more than is convenient for them anyway.
We're just offering them another chance to take advantage of our willingness to trash our Western lives (particularly for the poor) so our leaders can strut about and preen themselves to each other, before jetting off to the next global summit on poverty.
Any serious attempt to implement Boris's new target will result in a drop in living standards for working people of a size never seen before. What I can't understand is why the left is just nodding along to this - they should be screaming about the injustices that will result, where only the wealthy can fly abroad, where only the wealthy can drive long distances, where only the wealthy can heat their homes, or eat steak - because that is the reality of the future we're signed up thanks to successive governments of several hues.
I don't quite know what the dig at "the Left" is all about apart from it almost being a Pavlovian response among some.
@Philip_Thompson and I disagree on some aspects of the climate change debate but we do agree clean energy will be the answer and that has to mean exporting and explaining a new economic model based on the notion of clean energy.
I'm not in the business of depriving the rest of the world of that which I take for granted - if that prosperity can be achieved without damaging the planet for future generations, that seems wholly desirable.
The problem I have is the damage has and is being done - we will have to live with the consequences of our past and present actions long after we have remediated the problem in the future.
For example, with rising sea levels, how are we to defend London from the river and the sea? Do we invest in ever larger defences or do we look at alternative solutions such as allowing the occasional flooding of alluvial land around the Thames Estuary?1 -
I like chickpeas - you can use them to make falafel, or you can roast them.another_richard said:
Why not have a tin of chickpeas if you don't want meat ?rcs1000 said:
I don't know, but they really are a revelation. I mean, they don't replace a steak, but if I'm just adding protein that's going to be drowned out by other flavours (see Bolognase), then I might as well use Beyond or Impossible.rpjs said:
Agreed. I'd happily have either as a regular alternative to real meat. Are they available in the UK yet?rcs1000 said:
Impossible and Beyond are really rather good. Indeed, I'd rather use Impossible than cheap meat, although that's probably because cheap US meat is really not that nice at all.Casino_Royale said:
I've tried some of this food and it's mainly diabolical.AnneJGP said:
There was one brand of veggie beef pie that tasted so much like the real thing I couldn't eat it.Nigel_Foremain said:
An interesting thought. Can artificial meat taste like roast rib of beef? Or will it taste more like a Quorn veggie sausage?Malmesbury said:
Artificial meat will be a mainstream, cheap product inside a decade.Philip_Thompson said:
No it is not all what is going to be necessary (the electric car bit is) - and if it is necessary then it won't happen. Do you think the Chinese are going to choose not to fly just because we tell people they're killing pandas if they fly?ping said:@Big_G_NorthWales
“they will not be able to fly as much, have to buy electric cars, eat less meat and completely renovate their home at vast expense to eradicate gas boilers”
That is what is going to be necessary, though. Moving from the century of oil & gas to a zero-carbon century is going to require serious sacrifices.
May as well be honest about it. People see through the political framing bullshit, and then get angry.
The solution, the only solution that will work is clean technologies.
Saying don't use power will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is some clean and affordable power, use this instead of coal" people will listen to.
Saying don't fly will not work. People won't listen to you. Saying "here is a newly designed clean and affordable plane, use this instead of jet fuel" people will listen to.
Saying "don't eat meat" will not work. People won't listen to you. Full stop, I see no alternative to this one, the line is drawn here. Maybe find a way to offset against it because meat is happening.
Good evening, everyone.
I had a "cauliflower steak" for dinner which is, let's face it, just a slice of cauliflower dressed up.
I woke up starving at 3am and had a massive bowl of crunchy nut cornflakes with gold top milk and toast.
My wife is a big fan of the Beyond sausages, and jokes that they contain as much meat than the average hot dog.
But they do not enhance a Bolognase sauce.1 -
As I life time fan of Crewe Alex, I can tell you what its like to be a fan of a club that you know can never compete long term and never had a sugar daddy owner....there is a limit to your enjoyment, you have to have a level of acceptance that you might see a brilliant player, but they will only be there for a year or two, and that the reality is even if you do have a little bit of marginal success you can't fight gravity for long.tlg86 said:
I’ve never been worried about losing star players. The best times as an Arsenal fan were when we were living within our means turning decent players into stars. The last five years haven’t been much fun.FrancisUrquhart said:
More than a danger, it will be the reality. 2-3 clubs, basically Man Utd and Liverpool, have the worldwide commercial star power to manage to afford to continue with their ways, the rest, your fighting for scraps. But remember, it will also mean more begging and time in China, as they will need their vast reddies.tlg86 said:
There is a danger of that, but I’d take the risk on 50+1 if it meant the Americans lost their shirts.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Uzmanov never owned much and certainly never had control (much to the disappointment of some fans).
Going to be a bit tricky for all those moral crusader fans when they are told you can only keep the star player if we do a load more business with the Chinese in order to earn the millions required to keep him.
You’d have to ask Chelsea and City fans how they’d feel about potentially losing their sugar daddies.
For me, that's fine, that is all I have ever known. I became a fan as a kid, because of the youth approach, not because I ever thought they would win anything. Bit different if you grew up thinking this year is our year to win the EPL or get into the UEFA cup etc.0 -
Every billionaire knows Dubai.rcs1000 said:
Does Kronke even know where the Emirates is?Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go2 -
Spanish, Italian and English top flights have all had periods of dominance, no reason the German league couldnt get there if they get it right. That would involve Bayern giving the others a chance to catch up through more equal revenue, at the expense of Bayerns Champions League progress for 5-10 years. Such a gamble may or may not pay off, but it is necessary for the Bundesliga to even have a chance at the top spot for drama and quality.FrancisUrquhart said:
Chicken and egg.....EPL is big bucks around the world, because it is such a competitive and exciting league, so can afford to share the money. Millions aren't getting up at all hours to watch every Bundersliga games.noneoftheabove said:
That is more to do with the distribution of shared TV and commercial revenues.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do they want Usmanov back as owner? All those dead keen for German style 50+1 ownership, worth reposting again...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Understandable, I should have been clearerFrancisUrquhart said:
Doh, I read that as Etihad for some reason.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Arsenals ground this timeFrancisUrquhart said:
Short memories....I remember Man City in League One....Big_G_NorthWales said:Breaking
Fan demonstrations outside the Emirates demanding the owners go
How the Bundesliga Became a One-Team League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9cpKlBVKQ
Forget WBA beating Chelsea, Leeds beating Man City, Leicester winning the EPL....most EPL teams, your never even keeping your stars players for more than a season or two. There is no dream....
In Germany the bottom club receives about 40% of the top club and then gets relegated to a league with far lower revenue.
In England the bottom club receives about 60% of the top club, and then gets significant parachute payments.0 -
It wasn't Europe that turned the UK around though.Daveyboy1961 said:
Maybe, but I am worried that the fulness of time is so long that our economy stumbles on like a war wounded soldier, and is unable to recover. I still remember the phrase of "sick man of Europe" from the 60s before we entered the EU.Black_Rook said:
One's not a substitute for the other, but (a) it's also considerably more than nothing, and (b) these arrangements will build in value over time.Daveyboy1961 said:
Still seems like "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic to me". It's no surprise all the Boris Fanboys jumping on the like button.Black_Rook said:
And thus the narrative moves swiftly on from "Ha! Aren't they hopeless, can't even talk to Australia without insulting them?!" to "Why are they bothering with puny, pathetic Australia, when all that matters is the EU?" Or something.another_richard said:Weren't people excitedly pasting tweets that it had all fallen apart because of some 'insult' ?
The UK is on track to sign a free trade deal with Australia in June after “major breakthroughs” in this week’s negotiations, international trade secretary Liz Truss has said this afternoon.
She added that the remainder of the details would be sorted out in a “sprint” over the next few weeks.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-on-track-for-australia-trade-deal-in-june-after-major-breakthroughs/
Besides which, (c) Europe accounts for an ever-decreasing share of world economic activity, and it may very well turn out that the British Government has more to gain in the long run from functioning as an independent actor when dealing with everyone else than it does from being a peripheral member of a protectionist bloc. We shall find out in the fullness of time.
Also not sure where you get the idea that EU is a reducing trade share of the world.
It was Thatcher.
As for Europe being a reducing share of world trade that is just a matter of fact.1
