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Carnyx said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21

BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'

Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' today

Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed

On the other hand, he's harking back to a model of football which is about what, 40 years out of date? Thanks largely to the rich and the elite which support the Tory Party. I can't quite see how he can reconcile those - and I'm not a footie enthusiast.

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.

You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.

Again.

He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.

Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.

Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.

We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.

People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.

Leon said:

‘Porto president Pinto da Costa has announced that the club said no to the European Super League.

FC Porto will NOT be part of the ESL.‘


The super league needs 3 more teams, as they’ve said. With the Germans refusing, and now the Portuguese, and with this overwhelming backlash, will they find them?

Gallowgate said:

In fact please can Bruce also resign in protest?

Please...

tlg86 said:

Sky News suggesting the government could refuse to allow police at games.

I guess they’d just fuck off abroad.

tlg86 said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.

You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.

Again.

He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.

Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.

Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.

We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.

People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.

Simon Jordan reckons they wanted to sack him and didn’t want to risk him winning a trophy on Sunday.

SandyRentool said:

Didn't the "Arsenal" franchise leave its historic roots south of the river and relocate to more glamorous North London? They've got form for this sort of nonsense.

tlg86 said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.

You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.

Again.

He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.

Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.

Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.

We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.

People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.

Simon Jordan reckons they wanted to sack him and didn’t want to risk him winning a trophy on Sunday.

tlg86 said:

Sky News suggesting the government could refuse to allow police at games.

I guess they’d just fuck off abroad.

Gallowgate said:

contrarian said:

Johnson can do nothing.

These clubs are private property.

If the government starts getting involved, investors in Britain will start to wonder how safe their money is, and how strong Britain's commitment to the rights of the property owner are.

Very bad for inward investment.

Rubbish. My house is "private property" and yet I can't turn it into a poison factory or a skyscraper without permission.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21

BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'

Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' today

Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed

another_richard said:

Are any GOP politicians anti-vaxxers ?

If not then there's a big discrepancy between the leadership and the voters.

And into such electoral void anti-establishment candidates often move.

We could see anti-vaxxers trying to primary GOP politicians.

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

Brom said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21

BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'

Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' today

Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed

Of course the irony is that all these clubs are in Labour held constituencies? (I believe so, anyway).

I suspect the majority of the fans of Chelsea, Man Utd and possibly Liverpool & Spurs are in Tory seats though.

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.

You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.

Again.

He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.

Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.

Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.

We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.

People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.

contrarian said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

How to bankrupt the rest of English football in three easy lessons.

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21

BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'

Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' today

Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed

Or it may remind people once more that almost every positive thing Johnson does is nicked from Jeremy "ahead of his time" Corbyn. Making the clubs accountable to the fans was yet another terrific policy of his from the glory days.

The "big six" greed machines wouldn't have even comtemplated this move if a Corbyn led Labour government were in power. They'd have known for a fact it couldn't fly.

By contrast, and as per usual, "Boris" is simply seeking to ingratiate.

lol. No one is going to look fondly back and think ‘ahhh, Jeremy Corbyn would have saved English football’

Boris is a populist. He knows it will be extremely popular, stopping this grotesque breakaway.

Leon said:

contrarian said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

How to bankrupt the rest of English football in three easy lessons.

But the superleague is going to bankrupt English football anyway. The big six will field B teams. They will be so much richer it’ll be painful to watch the unequal matches. With no euro qualification much becomes meaningless

It’s the end of the EPL so the other clubs might as well threaten their own nuclear option

MaxPB said:

At least the F1 is good this season and we've got a good summer of cricket on the way.

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

tlg86 said:

Sky News suggesting the government could refuse to allow police at games.

I guess they’d just fuck off abroad.

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21

BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'

Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' today

Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed

Or it may remind people once more that almost every positive thing Johnson does is nicked from Jeremy "ahead of his time" Corbyn. Making the clubs accountable to the fans was yet another terrific policy of his from the glory days.

The "big six" greed machines wouldn't have even comtemplated this move if a Corbyn led Labour government were in power. They'd have known for a fact it couldn't fly.

By contrast, and as per usual, "Boris" is simply seeking to ingratiate.

lol. No one is going to look fondly back and think ‘ahhh, Jeremy Corbyn would have saved English football’

Boris is a populist. He knows it will be extremely popular, stopping this grotesque breakaway.

But failing to stop it having promised to will dent his popularity.

Perhaps this is all about the Overton Window and some form of compromise will be reached afterall? Which allows the clubs to still gain something significant, the PM to claim credit for moderating the changes etc etc

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

contrarian said:

Gallowgate said:

contrarian said:

Johnson can do nothing.

These clubs are private property.

If the government starts getting involved, investors in Britain will start to wonder how safe their money is, and how strong Britain's commitment to the rights of the property owner are.

Very bad for inward investment.

Rubbish. My house is "private property" and yet I can't turn it into a poison factory or a skyscraper without permission.

No but its not like they are stopping you adding a bedroom, repairing the roof, laying a new drive and accepting a better job to hekp pay the mortgage.

The fact is that English fans have got used to champagne football at light ale prices.

Their revenues pay for a fraction of what it costs to attract and keep the world's best footballers and the owners are tired of filling in the gaps, or using vast sums of overseas money to subsidise entitled scousers.

They need more money to keep the show on the road. The current model is unsustainable. Something has to give.

contrarian said:

Gallowgate said:

contrarian said:

Johnson can do nothing.

These clubs are private property.

If the government starts getting involved, investors in Britain will start to wonder how safe their money is, and how strong Britain's commitment to the rights of the property owner are.

Very bad for inward investment.

Rubbish. My house is "private property" and yet I can't turn it into a poison factory or a skyscraper without permission.

No but its not like they are stopping you adding a bedroom, repairing the roof, laying a new drive and accepting a better job to hekp pay the mortgage.

The fact is that English fans have got used to champagne football at light ale prices.

Their revenues pay for a fraction of what it costs to attract and keep the world's best footballers and the owners are tired of filling in the gaps, or using vast sums of overseas money to subsidise entitled scousers.

They need more money to keep the show on the road. The current model is unsustainable. Something has to give.

Philip_Thompson said:

Carnyx said:

Brom said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

Its politics4all with zero quotes. Nonsense from twitter until he adds to his initial statement.

Can't imagine he would act as fast as to say something like that anyway.

Graun politics feed says:

Boris Johnson has also said the government will do everything it can to stop the European super league going ahead as currently proposed. He told reporters:

We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed.

I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country ...

These clubs are not just great global brands - of course they’re great global brands - they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fan base in their community.

So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case. I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.

Maybe I shouldn't have used the penis in the hornet's nest metaphor.

Though Rochdale would suggest if anyone can be expected to stick it where it doesn't belong . . . 😉

tlg86 said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Endillion said:

MaxPB said:

Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.

You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.

Again.

He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.

Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.

Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.

We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.

People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.

Simon Jordan reckons they wanted to sack him and didn’t want to risk him winning a trophy on Sunday.

eek said:

MaxPB said:

And go into a cup final managerless?! That's the most stupid idea I've heard.

It's very obvious that Mourinho disagreed with this, protested and refused to back down so the board sacked him. We don't have a replacement lined up like last time when he came in as soon as Poch was sacked. It's a complete fucking shambles and Levy has shat on the club's legacy of being a local club for local people. Staying on the WHL site was a huge deal for all of us who support the club and go to matches, the club realised that too. Now he's setting fire to all of that good will. The reaction among Spurs fans is overwhelmingly negative.

the curious thing which makes me think there is something in @MaxPB's theory is why would you risk your main chance of getting European football next season by sacking your manager 6 days before the match.

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Actually, I think the money follows the players. They are crucial in all of this.

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

contrarian said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

How to bankrupt the rest of English football in three easy lessons.

But the superleague is going to bankrupt English football anyway. The big six will field B teams. They will be so much richer it’ll be painful to watch the unequal matches. With no euro qualification much becomes meaningless

It’s the end of the EPL so the other clubs might as well threaten their own nuclear option

Your first paragraph is completely self-contradictory.

If they're "so much richer" but fielding "B teams" then how would that cause unequal matches? The need to field B teams would counteract part of the increased wealth which lets be honest has been a factor since the Champions League was invented.

You're starting to show your arrogance.

That you believe Liverpool and others should have some God given claim to increased TV revenues simply due to their historic profile.

The current system works. If you perform well, you are allowed to play in the next season's Champions League. If you don't, you are not allowed.

The Super League is crap but the proposed changes to the UEFA Champions League are also crap.

contrarian said:

Cookie said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal


If Boris can kill this he wins six terms

Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.

More details were expected when Dowden makes a Commons statement at about 5pm on Monday.

Speaking on a visit to Gloucestershire, the prime minister said: “I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.”

The prime minister told reporters: “We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed. I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country.

“These clubs are not just great global brands – of course they’re great global brands – they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fanbase in their community. So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/ministers-urged-to-take-action-over-european-super-league-plan

They originated from their home towns, but they've been ought and sold many times. The original owners no longer have a claim on them.
This reminds me of when Man United fans celebrated raising millions when the club floated on the stock exchange, only to protest vehemently a few years later when the club was bought by the Glazers. If you're going to sell your club to everyone, you don't retain a claim to who subsequently acquires it.
There are hundreds of examples of community clubs - football and other sports - up and down the country, from the small to the reasonably big (Bournemouth, I think?). These are the sorts of clubs which need our support and protection. Those that have already been sold can look elsewhere.

Indeed.

The bullsh8t from some people on this has to be seen to be believed. British fans have long since ceased to fund the football they watch. Gate receipts are a fraction of what is required to run a City or a Liverpool.

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

contrarian said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

How to bankrupt the rest of English football in three easy lessons.

But the superleague is going to bankrupt English football anyway. The big six will field B teams. They will be so much richer it’ll be painful to watch the unequal matches. With no euro qualification much becomes meaningless

It’s the end of the EPL so the other clubs might as well threaten their own nuclear option

Your first paragraph is completely self-contradictory.

If they're "so much richer" but fielding "B teams" then how would that cause unequal matches? The need to field B teams would counteract part of the increased wealth which lets be honest has been a factor since the Champions League was invented.

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Actually, I think the money follows the players. They are crucial in all of this.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Endillion said:

Conference League only. I reckon Levy did some sums and concluded the reduced chance of winning it was worth not having to pay Mourinho a bonus for doing so.

It is widely believed that sacking Jose will costs £10 millions....remember his Man Utd contract had claused that cost Man Utd nearly £10 million to sack him. It is thought he has a similar deal for him and his whole team of coaches with Spurs.

Endillion said:

contrarian said:

Gallowgate said:

contrarian said:

Johnson can do nothing.

These clubs are private property.

If the government starts getting involved, investors in Britain will start to wonder how safe their money is, and how strong Britain's commitment to the rights of the property owner are.

Very bad for inward investment.

Rubbish. My house is "private property" and yet I can't turn it into a poison factory or a skyscraper without permission.

No but its not like they are stopping you adding a bedroom, repairing the roof, laying a new drive and accepting a better job to hekp pay the mortgage.

The fact is that English fans have got used to champagne football at light ale prices.

Their revenues pay for a fraction of what it costs to attract and keep the world's best footballers and the owners are tired of filling in the gaps, or using vast sums of overseas money to subsidise entitled scousers.

They need more money to keep the show on the road. The current model is unsustainable. Something has to give.

Even by your standards, "watching English football is cheap" is one hell of a take.

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

contrarian said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

How to bankrupt the rest of English football in three easy lessons.

But the superleague is going to bankrupt English football anyway. The big six will field B teams. They will be so much richer it’ll be painful to watch the unequal matches. With no euro qualification much becomes meaningless

It’s the end of the EPL so the other clubs might as well threaten their own nuclear option

Your first paragraph is completely self-contradictory.

If they're "so much richer" but fielding "B teams" then how would that cause unequal matches? The need to field B teams would counteract part of the increased wealth which lets be honest has been a factor since the Champions League was invented.

Because even their B teams will be waaaay better than West Ham or Southampton. They will rest their best players for the midweek superleague

Morris_Dancer said:

Given recent performances, I imagine Ferrari would manage to lose its own motorsport series, likely due to a bizarre strategic blunder.

contrarian said:

Endillion said:

contrarian said:

Gallowgate said:

contrarian said:

Johnson can do nothing.

These clubs are private property.

If the government starts getting involved, investors in Britain will start to wonder how safe their money is, and how strong Britain's commitment to the rights of the property owner are.

Very bad for inward investment.

Rubbish. My house is "private property" and yet I can't turn it into a poison factory or a skyscraper without permission.

No but its not like they are stopping you adding a bedroom, repairing the roof, laying a new drive and accepting a better job to hekp pay the mortgage.

The fact is that English fans have got used to champagne football at light ale prices.

Their revenues pay for a fraction of what it costs to attract and keep the world's best footballers and the owners are tired of filling in the gaps, or using vast sums of overseas money to subsidise entitled scousers.

They need more money to keep the show on the road. The current model is unsustainable. Something has to give.

Even by your standards, "watching English football is cheap" is one hell of a take.

Based on what it takes to run a super club, it is way cheap. Its the bargain of the century.

The fans of the big clubs want the top players in England, they want to lord it over the rest, but they don't want to pay for them.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Actually, I think the money follows the players. They are crucial in all of this.

Football is not about the players. Or the managers or owners. It is the fans who are crucial. They are constant, the rest come and go.

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Actually, I think the money follows the players. They are crucial in all of this.

And excitement, the EPL is worth the subscription fee for Sky Sports because every week there is a lot of greatly entertaining football on TV. Watching the "big clubs" play each other endlessly with nothing at stake is going to become dull.

I had a think about it, I'd be ok with breaking away from UEFA, but the idea of 12 or 15 clubs essentially not having anything to worry about to get into the cup the following season is what disgusts me, it is the very antithesis of free and fair competition. The clubs are creating a cartel at the top of football to try and concentrate the wealth between the 12 of them.

Yes, some form of euro league is probably inevitable

But it’s the closed shop, US franchise, no-relegation format which is so abhorrent. It’s ghastly and destructive and will produce endless boring meaningless games (with no away fans). It demolishes domestic leagues as a mere by-product

Come on Boris, save British footie

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Actually, I think the money follows the players. They are crucial in all of this.

And excitement, the EPL is worth the subscription fee for Sky Sports because every week there is a lot of greatly entertaining football on TV. Watching the "big clubs" play each other endlessly with nothing at stake is going to become dull.

I had a think about it, I'd be ok with breaking away from UEFA, but the idea of 12 or 15 clubs essentially not having anything to worry about to get into the cup the following season is what disgusts me, it is the very antithesis of free and fair competition. The clubs are creating a cartel at the top of football to try and concentrate the wealth between the 12 of them.

Yes, some form of euro league is probably inevitable

But it’s the closed shop, US franchise, no-relegation format which is so abhorrent. It’s ghastly and destructive and will produce endless boring meaningless games (with no away fans). It demolishes domestic leagues as a mere by-product

Come on Boris, save British footie

Anabobazina said:

MaxPB said:

Gallowgate said:

The Independent are reporting that the decision to sack Jose was made on Friday so that poo poos the protest theory.

That doesn't make any sense. The Independent are being fed a damage control story by the Spurs board and they're repeating it without actually checking it. If the decision to sack him was made on Friday then he would have been sacked on Saturday morning with a replacement in place before the weekend of the cup final. There aren't even any candidates to take over right now.

Presumably Brendan Rodgers is the target? He can't stay at Leicester forever, needs a big club.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Leon said:

contrarian said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

How to bankrupt the rest of English football in three easy lessons.

But the superleague is going to bankrupt English football anyway. The big six will field B teams. They will be so much richer it’ll be painful to watch the unequal matches. With no euro qualification much becomes meaningless

It’s the end of the EPL so the other clubs might as well threaten their own nuclear option

Your first paragraph is completely self-contradictory.

If they're "so much richer" but fielding "B teams" then how would that cause unequal matches? The need to field B teams would counteract part of the increased wealth which lets be honest has been a factor since the Champions League was invented.

Because even their B teams will be waaaay better than West Ham or Southampton. They will rest their best players for the midweek superleague

Maybe but what is the incentive to play their best teams in the superleague from which they cannot be relegated? There might need to be a big prize for winning or it will be the European equivalent of the League Cup.

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

eek said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.

The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.

Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.

UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.

I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.

Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?

It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.

So the other 14 clubs resign from the Premier League and reform it without the 6 Prima Donna clubs. Promote 6 new clubs from the Championship to replace them. Also ban the 6 clubs from playing in the FA cup or any other domestic competition and ban players from those clubs from playing for England.

Basically shut out the 6 clubs from all domestic competition.

And they get the television revenue they need to pay their bills from where?

Given that Sky seem to be opposed to this plan as well I suspect they - assuming you are talking about the other 14 clubs - take the revenue with them. No club should be big enough to wreck the game in this way.

Maybe they shouldn't. But they are.

The money goes with the big 6 clubs, not the Premier League. If the Premier League expels the Big 6 (which it seems they can't do) then they lose the money, not the other way around.

Actually, I think the money follows the players. They are crucial in all of this.

And excitement, the EPL is worth the subscription fee for Sky Sports because every week there is a lot of greatly entertaining football on TV. Watching the "big clubs" play each other endlessly with nothing at stake is going to become dull.

I had a think about it, I'd be ok with breaking away from UEFA, but the idea of 12 or 15 clubs essentially not having anything to worry about to get into the cup the following season is what disgusts me, it is the very antithesis of free and fair competition. The clubs are creating a cartel at the top of football to try and concentrate the wealth between the 12 of them.

Yes, some form of euro league is probably inevitable

But it’s the closed shop, US franchise, no-relegation format which is so abhorrent. It’s ghastly and destructive and will produce endless boring meaningless games (with no away fans). It demolishes domestic leagues as a mere by-product

Come on Boris, save British footie

I agree, but where did you get the bit about no away fans??