It's an interesting poll, with him holding good chunks of support from Republicans (30%) and Dems (66%). The poll didn't include a named Democrat candidate. This makes me assume he'd have to run as an independent or Democrat, but either path would risk losing him a bunch of voters. If he runs as an Ind then there will be a named Dem candidate and party loyalties would recover a lot of those. If he runs as a Dem he'll never get 30% of GOP voters. He could primary challenge Abbott for the GOP nomination, but polls have that as an uphill struggle and he'd burn himself with a lot of supporters on both sides if he failed (Dems seeing him as basically a Republican, GOPs seeing him as a disloyal Republican).
I think his best bet would be to stay Ind and try to hold together a broad coalition as a non-standard politician who cut across ideological divides, but that's a very tricky path and he'd probably be squeezed out of the race. Although if he does want to try, the Governorship is the right target as it is a role more suited to an independent than a Senate seat.
Tbh I think Greg Abbott will probably win, and even at 1/2 is value. It's a very tough race for the GOP nominee to lose, and Abbott is big favourite to be renominated.
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system. Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.
Just read the data, a very high 62% of Tory voters say the UK government should not allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years even if the SNP win a majority and the Tories are in power with a majority across the UK.
65% of Labour voters and 53% of LD voters by contrast say the UK government should allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years if the SNP win a majority but why would Boris care what Labour and LD voters think when he still has a comfortable poll lead?
I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system. Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
You southerners south of the Tyne play both League and Union.
Munich torpedoes the Super League as a serious venture I think.
Possibly, though I think they have to go through with it now. They can’t back down. I know everyone thinks it’s a negotiating ploy, but they’ve crossed a line. There’s no going back now.
'This does have betting implications, if significant number of GOPers remain unvaccinated then there are likely to (be) a lot fewer GOP voters at the time of the next Presidential election which not even GOP voter suppression can overturn. At some point someone in the GOP will realise this."
Although I'm not sure the last sentence will make a lot of difference; the damage will have been done.
The best bit is cheering on the death of your opponents?
I see no cheering there, but its the best bit of political analysis which is what PB is very good at, yes.
If through a Darwinian process one party removes more of its voters than another does then that could affect future political betting.
If the GOP wants to keep its voters voting, then keeping them alive is a good starting point.
It doesn't have to be a matter of death, so Charles is being a tad unfair to TSE. Just catching the pox bad and having to payt the medical bills (or it happening to a reelative) is going to be very upsetting to at least some GOP voters.
TSE’s comment was fine. It was @OldKingCole i was criticising. Happy to clear up any confusion
Just read the data, a very high 62% of Tory voters say the UK government should not allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years even if the SNP win a majority and the Tories are in power with a majority across the UK.
65% of Labour voters and 53% of LD voters by contrast say the UK government should allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years if the SNP win a majority but why would Boris care what Labour and LD voters think when he still has a comfortable poll lead?
Sometimes your language really does you even less favours than mine does me!
Just reality, Boris has a majority of 80 achieved on 43% of the vote, this poll has 40% of UK voters opposing an indyref2 even with an SNP Holyrood majority (the vast majority Tories) so Boris will again listen to his base and tell the SNP no whatever happens in May
We do sadly have some people here in the UK who go way beyond Mr Fox and his anti-vax views and are right into the most extreme of conspiracy theories.
I have a designer and supplier for one of my small sideline companies who I actively try to avoid going to visit these days as he is so completely off the rails. Highly intelligent in some ways but a complete conspiracy loon. His latest claims are that the vaccination programme is a targeted genocide designed to massively reduce the world's population and that already 600,000 people have died in the UK from the vaccine but it is all being covered up.
He genuinely believes this and, because sadly I need what he supplies and I have no alternative sources, I choose rightly or wrongly to just make sympathetic faces and get out as quickly as possible. I did used to try to argue him round, politely of course. But all I want to do these days is scream at him.
I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system. Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
Moving to the NorthWest in my 20's meant I took more of an interest in League, and, especially now the rather vestigial 'scrums' have been eliminated it's a far better spectacle than Union.
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form in 10 years, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc too
I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system. Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
You southerners south of the Tyne play both League and Union.
We play Union up here in the true North.
Union. League. Its all egg throwing. Someone needs to open up an Aussie-Rules Football league over here - that's a man's game...
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
On topic, if you still think the virus is a hoax perpetrated by by the DNC to help Biden beat Trump, then it makes total sense to both oppose both continued restrictions, and refuse to get a vaccine.
Edit: also, the number of GOP voters this is likely to kill in the medium to long run is electorally negligible. Especially if hesitancy drops off as age increases. Which I strongly suspect it does.
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc too
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
This might prove handy for some local clubs who rely a lot more on ticket sales than TV revenue for income, and have been hit very hard by the pandemic.
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.
Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation. I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc too
Is Liar going to back federalism then?
QTWTAIN.
Boris will refuse indyref2 regardless so it does not matter.
If Starmer becomes PM he may allow indyref2 and move to Federalism but that would not be Boris' problem anymore
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
And Macron is an arrant twat.
I agree with all of that, but this is political betting.
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
And Macron is an arrant twat.
The French being twats is baked in.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system. Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
You southerners south of the Tyne play both League and Union.
“No means no” would be an interesting slogan. Although I suspect the Indy supporters would try to argue it is minimising the significance of rape.
Mebbes, it might have a bit of extra resonance with Baroness Ruth of Rape Clause still floating about the scene. However I think indy supporters would be more likely to say that Scotland has said no to the Tories for 60+ years, and that that no certainly means no.
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.
Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation. I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?
It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
And Macron is an arrant twat.
The French being twats is baked in.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
If the government can legislate to make sure certain sporting occasions stay on free-to-air TV it can surely legislate to intervene in the super league debacle
It could make life for the big 6 supremely uncomfortable
There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
It's a very boring political point to make about this super-exciting football drama, but this is actually a great illustration of the difficulties of being Leader of the Opposition. Johnson and Starmer both made very similar statements within 10 minutes of each other when this was announced yesterday - but while a lot of coverage mentioned Johnson's statement alongside the FA/EPL/etc virtually no-one bothered including even a mention that Starmer had made a statement. Being LotO just isn't as newsworthy because you don't have power, so it's tough to get noticed by the public and influence the agenda.
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
But the golden goose has already flown the nest. There would be little incentive for the super 6 to field full strength or even half strength sides in the domestic league. League position means nothing financially, there’s no concept of needing to finish high enough to qualify for Europe. And there can only be one champion. So it’s B Sides in the domestic league from now on. Which massively degrades the value of the tv contacts.
There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
@Kelly1958R BREAKING...following instruction from new Hollywood owners, Wrexham FC are poised to form a North Wales Super League alongside Inter Harlech, Real Llangefni, Locomotive Llanberis, Dynamo Prestatyn and Sporting Club Capel Curig.
Shagger cancels his trip to India. Who knew that there was a health risk?
Why do you insist on calling him Shagger? It's a stupid name and glamorises him if anything.
Would you prefer liar? I have nothing but utmost contempt for the man. Shags anything that walks, lies openly, eulogised as "he's a lad isn't he".
Just call him Boris, or Johnson?
Why? Do people just call Keir Starmer Keir or Starmer? Which part of my namecalling jars with you factually? That he is a liar? Or that he is a serial shagger?
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
And Macron is an arrant twat.
The French being twats is baked in.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
The virus spreads around the globe quite rapidly, it doesn't matter where the virus evolves once it does it will spread realistically. So a country of 330 million is a much greater risk of seeing new mutations arise than one of 67 million.
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc too
Is Liar going to back federalism then?
QTWTAIN.
Boris will refuse indyref2 regardless so it does not matter.
If Starmer becomes PM he may allow indyref2 and move to Federalism but that would not be Boris' problem anymore
You are like a broken record and in denial of the reality that to win, the union needs to make its case which is a good one
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
How does he do that then?
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
You jest but Ferrari have 'often' threatened to split from FIA and either exit F1 or set up a different series.
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
But the golden goose has already flown the nest. There would be little incentive for the super 6 to field full strength or even half strength sides in the domestic league. League position means nothing financially, there’s no concept of needing to finish high enough to qualify for Europe. And there can only be one champion. So it’s B Sides in the domestic league from now on. Which massively degrades the value of the tv contacts.
Doesn't change the fact that the Premier League having the top clubs and their fans, even with B sides, is a much better product than a Premier League without the top clubs.
Keep the top 6 and the Premier League is devalued but still has the fans of the top clubs, expel the top 6 (which looks like they can't do as there's a blocking minority there preventing a 75% supermajority vote anyway) and the Premier League becomes a glorified "Championship".
There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
@Kelly1958R BREAKING...following instruction from new Hollywood owners, Wrexham FC are poised to form a North Wales Super League alongside Inter Harlech, Real Llangefni, Locomotive Llanberis, Dynamo Prestatyn and Sporting Club Capel Curig.
Epic! How about a Manchester Citeh Super League! A line-up of Manchester City, New York City, Melbourne City, Monteviedo City, Mumbai City etc etc
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
And Macron is an arrant twat.
The French being twats is baked in.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
The virus spreads around the globe quite rapidly, it doesn't matter where the virus evolves once it does it will spread realistically. So a country of 330 million is a much greater risk of seeing new mutations arise than one of 67 million.
The country on our doorstep is the EU which has 747 million citizens and free movement, If your risk theory holds true time to reassess.
Just listening to Gary Neville's impressive rant about US inspired super leagues and came across this. A Man City fan site run by someone who doesn't sound particularly educated but some of his lines are Bob Dylanesque 'I don't want my team on a meaningless carousel of nothingness'.
I know this Super League story is absurd. But football has been absurd for a long time - the corruption inside FIFA and UEFA, the awarding of the World Cup to Qatar, we shouldn't be surprised by the corrupting power of money>
All we need to do now is to merge Fulchester United and Peddleworth Albion where the new Fulchester Albion club tales the combined points tally so that Billy the Fish can finally win the league without that evil billionaire Wynyard Hall stopping him.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
How does he do that then?
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
The simple solution would be to insist all matches have to be shown on Free to Air Television.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
How does he do that then?
Primary legislation?Temporarily nationalise teams? Refuse government cooperation - policing, etc- with super league games? A really determined government could make it hideously uncomfortable for the big clubs
This is such a huge story and if Boris can do what he promises he will be a hero to many. Quite the prize
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.
Simples.
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than Biden
And Macron is an arrant twat.
The French being twats is baked in.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
The virus spreads around the globe quite rapidly, it doesn't matter where the virus evolves once it does it will spread realistically. So a country of 330 million is a much greater risk of seeing new mutations arise than one of 67 million.
The country on our doorstep is the EU which has 747 million citizens and free movement, If your risk theory holds true time to reassess.
447 million and yes the EU should be on our red list in my opinion, I've said this for a long time.
But based on surveys by this time next year I expect more people to be unvaccinated in America than Europe.
There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
You jest but Ferrari have 'often' threatened to split from FIA and either exit F1 or set up a different series.
Indeed - and a single-manufacturer racing series would be great for Ferarri.
This might prove handy for some local clubs who rely a lot more on ticket sales than TV revenue for income, and have been hit very hard by the pandemic.
Spare a thought for those of us whose local club is a super league club. Hard for many PB 'Scousers' to understand, I know.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.
No way he was that equivocal. All I saw was him saying "we support football authorities in taking action". Very clear whose job it is to deal with this.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
How does he do that then?
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
The simple solution would be to insist all matches have to be shown on Free to Air Television.
Without the TV money it won't last.
I suspect it will be effectively Free to Air anyway as Amazon will bundle it in with Prime.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.
More details were expected when Dowden makes a Commons statement at about 5pm on Monday.
Speaking on a visit to Gloucestershire, the prime minister said: “I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.”
The prime minister told reporters: “We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed. I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country.
“These clubs are not just great global brands – of course they’re great global brands – they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fanbase in their community. So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case.”
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.
There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
You jest but Ferrari have 'often' threatened to split from FIA and either exit F1 or set up a different series.
Indeed - and a single-manufacturer racing series would be great for Ferarri.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
How does he do that then?
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
The simple solution would be to insist all matches have to be shown on Free to Air Television.
Without the TV money it won't last.
I suspect it will be effectively Free to Air anyway as Amazon will bundle it in with Prime.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.
Again.
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.
Again.
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.
If that's true then much respect. Klopp next please.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.
Again.
No. The news is he was fired because he protested, and refused to take players onto the training pitch
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.
No way he was that equivocal. All I saw was him saying "we support football authorities in taking action". Very clear whose job it is to deal with this.
Yeah no way would he want to be on the hook for resolving the mess.
It would be like deliberately sticking your penis into a hornet's nest.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Spurs confirm that Mourinho and his entire staff have been "relieved of their duties". With a cup final this weekend and European football within qualification reach (probably a moot point now) it can't be a sudden decision on footballing grounds.
So come on Jose. Tell us what the chairman said when you expressed your opinions of the Super League. We know he's sacked you for *something*. Make it count.
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.
Its politics4all with zero quotes. Nonsense from twitter until he adds to his initial statement.
Can't imagine he would act as fast as to say something like that anyway.
Graun politics feed says:
Boris Johnson has also said the government will do everything it can to stop the European super league going ahead as currently proposed. He told reporters:
We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed.
I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country ...
These clubs are not just great global brands - of course they’re great global brands - they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fan base in their community.
So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case. I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.
Again.
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.
Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.
Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' today
Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed
On the other hand, he's harking back to a model of football which is about what, 40 years out of date? Thanks largely to the rich and the elite which support the Tory Party. I can't quite see how he can reconcile those - and I'm not a footie enthusiast.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
I thought Kane had already told Spurs he wants to leave to go top team.
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.
Again.
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.
Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.
Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.
We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.
People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.
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@SamanthaQuek: ...just 12 hours after qualifying for the European Super League as well. 🙄
I think his best bet would be to stay Ind and try to hold together a broad coalition as a non-standard politician who cut across ideological divides, but that's a very tricky path and he'd probably be squeezed out of the race. Although if he does want to try, the Governorship is the right target as it is a role more suited to an independent than a Senate seat.
Tbh I think Greg Abbott will probably win, and even at 1/2 is value. It's a very tough race for the GOP nominee to lose, and Abbott is big favourite to be renominated.
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
We play Union up here in the true North.
I have a designer and supplier for one of my small sideline companies who I actively try to avoid going to visit these days as he is so completely off the rails. Highly intelligent in some ways but a complete conspiracy loon. His latest claims are that the vaccination programme is a targeted genocide designed to massively reduce the world's population and that already 600,000 people have died in the UK from the vaccine but it is all being covered up.
He genuinely believes this and, because sadly I need what he supplies and I have no alternative sources, I choose rightly or wrongly to just make sympathetic faces and get out as quickly as possible. I did used to try to argue him round, politely of course. But all I want to do these days is scream at him.
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Edit: also, the number of GOP voters this is likely to kill in the medium to long run is electorally negligible. Especially if hesitancy drops off as age increases. Which I strongly suspect it does.
QTWTAIN.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Simples.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
And Macron is an arrant twat.
Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?
If Starmer becomes PM he may allow indyref2 and move to Federalism but that would not be Boris' problem anymore
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
justkiddingmaybe
Maybe the reason the Gunners and Spurs were invited was to ensure that? 🤔
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
It could make life for the big 6 supremely uncomfortable
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
Keep the top 6 and the Premier League is devalued but still has the fans of the top clubs, expel the top 6 (which looks like they can't do as there's a blocking minority there preventing a 75% supermajority vote anyway) and the Premier League becomes a glorified "Championship".
Angry young man or poet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BtbwtXKwnw
All we need to do now is to merge Fulchester United and Peddleworth Albion where the new Fulchester Albion club tales the combined points tally so that Billy the Fish can finally win the league without that evil billionaire Wynyard Hall stopping him.
Without the TV money it won't last.
This is such a huge story and if Boris can do what he promises he will be a hero to many. Quite the prize
But based on surveys by this time next year I expect more people to be unvaccinated in America than Europe.
Still, brave of you to rely on Boris's word.
Speaking on a visit to Gloucestershire, the prime minister said: “I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.”
The prime minister told reporters: “We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed. I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country.
“These clubs are not just great global brands – of course they’re great global brands – they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fanbase in their community. So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case.”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/ministers-urged-to-take-action-over-european-super-league-plan
Again.
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
Can't imagine he would act as fast as to say something like that anyway.
Please...
It would be like deliberately sticking your penis into a hornet's nest.
So come on Jose. Tell us what the chairman said when you expressed your opinions of the Super League. We know he's sacked you for *something*. Make it count.
Boris Johnson has also said the government will do everything it can to stop the European super league going ahead as currently proposed. He told reporters:
We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed.
I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country ...
These clubs are not just great global brands - of course they’re great global brands - they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fan base in their community.
So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case. I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.
I guess they’d just fuck off abroad.
Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed
He has acted fast
Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.
People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.