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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    Going to need Buttler, Roy, Stokes to be at their absolute best to stand any chance chasing down way over 200.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Sandpit said:

    So long as the EU doesn’t ban points going from Italy to Scotland.
    Italy and France have banned points. They some with serious risks.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    edited March 2021
    algarkirk said:

    Here is the difficulty with all of this. Restrictions on expression (which was widespread until quite recently) entail constant and unremitting attack from liberals, lawyers, free speechers and left leaners (see for example John Mortimer from the old days passim.) .

    Unrestricted and unlimited expression is, effectively, what we have, (about and for +18s) and its consequences entail constant and unremitting attack from some of the same people + lots of others.

    (Incidentally the under 18/16 bar leads to the absurdity that in law it is illegal for two 15 year olds to have a snog - a splendid effort to abolish human nature.)

    Nearly every thinking person wants a middle ground, and so far as I can see such middle ground would only be available on the impossible condition that people freely agree to self limitation. For commercial reasons, as well as human nature reasons, that is not going to happen, any more than we are freely going to stop getting drunk or being a slob.

    That is why this is a difficult issue and there are no easy answers.

    But some level of self-control (or self-limitation, as you put it) is surely a key element in what it means to be an adult.

    Just because we can do something does not mean that we should. And using our judgment about when and whether we should do something is surely what we should be teaching our young and doing ourselves.

    Or trying to, anyway.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    TimT said:

    Is this a clever way for the SNP to get the findings of the report thrown out, as it is now tainted?
    Or a way for them to avoid publishing their findings at all, before the election?

    Thankfully we have David Davis, Andrew Neil and Fraser Nelson on the case. The story isn’t going away in the UK Parliament nor the press.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    AnneJGP said:

    I gather ROI Covid-19 precautions include no-one travelling more than 5km from home. So it will be people within 5km of the border.

    I was pleased to read that NI are doing this, but absolutely take on board the feelings of mainland UK people who are still waiting to be jabbed.

    However if it is only the very close ROI people who are getting the vaccines, that does seem to me a good reason. It would be akin to vaccinating Hampshire but not the near neighbours in Wiltshire.

    Good afternoon, everybody.
    Hello Anne.

    I would imagine that the likelihood of everyone in the RoI sticking to the 5km rule, especially if the prize for sacking it off is vaccination months ahead of schedule, is zero. As to how many of them are actually doing it, who can say? I can't readily find a figure for the percentage of the RoI population thought to have an NHS number.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    ttps://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/03/20/french-ambassador-to-the-uk-slammed-for-receiving-astrazeneca-jab-on-nhs/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

    I assumed she'd already habe diplomatic immunity :smiley: - je vais chercher mon manteau!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,226
    Cyclefree said:

    That is why this is a difficult issue and there are no easy answers.

    But some level of self-control (or self-limitation, as you put it) is surely a key element in what it means to be an adult.

    Just because we can do something does not mean that we should. And using our judgment about when and whether we should do something is surely what we should be teaching our young and doing ourselves.

    Or trying to, anyway.
    Yes.

    Legal != Moral && Legal != Sensible
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,344
    Even if you didn't know the score you can always tell from the tone when England are looking down the barrel.




  • Watch a catch.

    The third umpire is going to piss me off once more isn't he?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682

    Watch a catch.

    The third umpire is going to piss me off once more isn't he?

    Come on, Indi...er, I mean England! :blush:
  • Even if you didn't know the score you can always tell from the tone when England are looking down the barrel.




    Nah, Kohli's a shit even when England win, just see earlier on this tour when he refused to walk when clean bowled.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Sandpit said:

    What on Earth are they playing at? It’s as if they’re going through the motions of telling everyone it’s safe, while simultaneously nudging everyone to think it’s dangerous.
    What they are playing at is putting the shoring-up of the EU ahead of the pandemic response.

    The EU is terrified that the UK, having just left, will soon, as with images from Israel, revert to a sort-of normal existence which will contrast significantly with other European nations. Their response is to downplay this effect wherever possible, and the EU has latched on to the idea of rubbishing the Oxford AZN vaccine in order to produce the narrative that UK citizens are not really vaccinated. Not really.

    Their fear, of course, is that the other EU nations who already have eurosceptic populations will have this amplified, thus threatening the existence of (or at least weakening further) the whole project.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    What a catch.......
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Nigelb said:

    While ideological, since entering Congress, she appears to be considerably more pragmatic than you suggest. And no ruder (and usually with every bit as good justification) than you are.
    I’m not sure where you get the contempt for democracy thing ? Or indeed the Trump comparison.

    I don’t share her politics, but she’s the smartest socialist I’ve seen for a long time.
    This. When reading that post I honestly didn’t get that analysis, it felt a bit bizarre really. Politics shouldn’t just be individuals who hold mainstream, centre ground opinions. It’s good to have radicals and those who challenge the status quo and get us to think about whether the world around us can be a bit different.

    I also get the impression that some just don’t like very left leaning figures, and don’t think they have a place in the political debate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526

    Watch a catch.

    The third umpire is going to piss me off once more isn't he?

    It is worse than VAR in the EPL....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,558
    The only way England can win this is if every bowler in the Indian team breaks something so they can’t bowl.

    And even then, only maybe.
  • XtrainXtrain Posts: 341

    You're right that they aggregate 14+ days (by test result) in the protections against hospitalization/death, and I had forgotten that this will reflect infections that occurred, say, 9+ days after.

    Nonetheless, it's reasonable to believe that many of those hospitalizations and deaths were in the 21+ day group. I wish they had broken that out, because they show protection against *symptoms* is much stronger at 21+ and pretty much finished at 28+ (even a 2nd dose adds rather little to this, though confidence is low). I guess we'll have to wait for a later report.

    I've just been concerned about some comments here predicting near-100% protection against death, which is incompatible with Israel data.

    --AS
    I thought it was only effective against covid!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Cyclefree said:

    That is why this is a difficult issue and there are no easy answers.

    But some level of self-control (or self-limitation, as you put it) is surely a key element in what it means to be an adult.

    Just because we can do something does not mean that we should. And using our judgment about when and whether we should do something is surely what we should be teaching our young and doing ourselves.

    Or trying to, anyway.
    Have you read Mindsight, by Daniel Siegel? I highly recommend it. It is not about pornography, but about neuroplasticity (focussing on trauma, phobias and PTSD), and how we restructure our brains by what we habitually do. That is the true damage done by addiction to pornography in the young - it rewires their brains in very damaging ways. But the good news is that it is possible to undo that damage - it just takes a lot of deliberate hard work.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Justin a social conservative, a pre Plantagenet social conservative.

    Have you forgotten his soliloquies on bastards?
    Only a little less disturbing than @Roger ’s views in #metoo
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    Nah, Kohli's a shit even when England win, just see earlier on this tour when he refused to walk when clean bowled.
    Superstars can fall to the temptation to be a shit, sadly.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    TimT said:

    Is this a clever way for the SNP to get the findings of the report thrown out, as it is now tainted?

    @ Mr Divvie. Genuinely interested in your take on this.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    edited March 2021
    Top trolling Boris!

    "RTVE Spain:
    Gibraltar becomes the first territory in the world to vaccinate all of its adult population - thanks to the UK! Cases have fallen 98% in the barely 2 months!

    Gibraltar se convierte en el primer territorio del mundo con toda su población adulta vacunada.

    Los casos activos se han reducido en un 98% en apenas dos meses.
    Lo cuenta @manuelroldan_
    desde @RTVEAndalucia"
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    Further. Does anyone know much about

    MSOA area - E02004635 Tidenham & Woolaston ?????

    Under 55 4%
    55-59 13%
    60-64 27%
    65-69 18%
    70-74 22%
    75-79 20%
    80+ 14%

    Looks like it is in the forest of Dean. Could the figures be skewed by cross border issues?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,674
    edited March 2021
    Crikey, the Scots were in danger of putting in the worst performance against a side from Rome since the Siege of Carthage.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,483
    Mr. Eagles, you drunken baboon. The city of Carthage showed surprising valour and competence when it was besieged in the Third Punic War, in stark contrast to earlier contests that may have yielded different results had it not been for the antics of the Peace Party of Hanno.
  • Mr. Eagles, you drunken baboon. The city of Carthage showed surprising valour and competence when it was besieged in the Third Punic War, in stark contrast to earlier contests that may have yielded different results had it not been for the antics of the Peace Party of Hanno.

    So competent that they were wiped off the face of the earth.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682
    Floater said:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56469687

    Anti-lockdown demonstrations are under way in central London, as MPs urge the government to change the law to allow peaceful protest.

    Hundreds of people marched from Hyde Park to Westminster, with some detained by police.

    Earlier, more than 60 MPs and peers wrote to the home secretary calling for laws to be changed.

    The Home Office said it was still illegal for people to attend protests under the current coronavirus rules.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,508

    In all seriousness, what do we think is going on? Different levels of stockpiling for 2nd doses in case EU have another Cartman meltdown?
    Here in Wales, my wife has just had an invite for her second dose after 5-6 weeks, which isn't bad at all.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,426
    felix said:

    Top trolling Boris!

    "RTVE Spain:
    Gibraltar becomes the first territory in the world to vaccinate all of its adult population - thanks to the UK! Cases have fallen 98% in the barely 2 months!

    Gibraltar se convierte en el primer territorio del mundo con toda su población adulta vacunada.

    Los casos activos se han reducido en un 98% en apenas dos meses.
    Lo cuenta @manuelroldan_
    desde @RTVEAndalucia"

    Well done them. They still had to get the arms jabbed.

    May not count as UK exports, but it's a win anyway.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Perhaps Dr.UvdL could persuade Bayer or some other German chemicals firm to take over Croda before banning exports to the UK and getting the EU exposed to tit for tat on the precursors. Learn from the Irish. Get your retaliation in first.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    Again, I don't understand picking Curran if he is only going to bowl 1 over, given all the batting firepower England could pick, Banton, Salt, Hales, Billings, even Ali.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Here in Wales, my wife has just had an invite for her second dose after 5-6 weeks, which isn't bad at all.
    I hope that's Pfizer because the clinical evidence for AZ is 10+ weeks for the gap between doses.
  • Again, I don't understand picking Curran if he is only going to bowl 1 over, given all the batting firepower England could pick, Banton, Salt, Hales, Billings, even Ali.

    We ought to drop Stokes.

    He's never ever hit a fifty in this format and his bowling is rubbish in this format, I mean he'll never top his performance in the t20 world cup final of 2016.

    Bring back Root and his bowling is good as well.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    felix said:

    Top trolling Boris!

    "RTVE Spain:
    Gibraltar becomes the first territory in the world to vaccinate all of its adult population - thanks to the UK! Cases have fallen 98% in the barely 2 months!

    Gibraltar se convierte en el primer territorio del mundo con toda su población adulta vacunada.

    Los casos activos se han reducido en un 98% en apenas dos meses.
    Lo cuenta @manuelroldan_
    desde @RTVEAndalucia"

    Fallen from the highest death rate per Capita in the entire Universe

    To highest death rate per Capita in the entire Universe

    Well done Boris


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Comedy Dave won't be tweeting "Two doses" much longer:

    https://twitter.com/Cox_A_R/status/1373280890839781378?s=20
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,508
    MaxPB said:

    I hope that's Pfizer because the clinical evidence for AZ is 10+ weeks for the gap between doses.
    that's correct.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    MaxPB said:

    I hope that's Pfizer because the clinical evidence for AZ is 10+ weeks for the gap between doses.
    I think the latest advice is that 3 weeks is best for Pfizer and 12 weeks for AZ.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,325
    Sandpit said:

    Don’t forget that he was also one of the most prominent Parliamentary ‘Remoaners’ in a seat that voted 70/30 for Brexit, and was defeated at the 2019 election.
    Brexit is over. We all love Brexit now, we have moved on. The issue of the moment is "me too" misogyny and women's rights, keep up...oh wait...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited March 2021

    So competent that they were wiped off the face of the earth.
    Somebody could be competent yet still inadequate to the task before them. Ask Pyrrhus about winning, and thus presumably being competent, yet not succeeding.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,483
    Mr. Eagles, a single city lasting years in a war against a continental empire is a magnificent achievement.

    And if Carthage were wiped off the earth, which exarchate do you imagine supplied Heraclius to rescue the empire from Flavius Phocas?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    felix said:

    Top trolling Boris!

    "RTVE Spain:
    Gibraltar becomes the first territory in the world to vaccinate all of its adult population - thanks to the UK! Cases have fallen 98% in the barely 2 months!

    Gibraltar se convierte en el primer territorio del mundo con toda su población adulta vacunada.

    Los casos activos se han reducido en un 98% en apenas dos meses.
    Lo cuenta @manuelroldan_
    desde @RTVEAndalucia"

    I think I read somewhere that, except for hyper-remote Pitcairn, all of the permanently inhabited overseas territories had been supplied with enough vaccine to run a complete program. Gibraltar, probably because it's the only one with a land border, appears to have been prioritised ahead of the others, but what available data there are suggests that a number of the others (e.g. Bermuda, Saint Helena and the Falklands) are also ahead of the UK's per capita rate.
  • kle4 said:

    Somebody could be competent yet still inadequate to the task before them. Ask Pyrrhus about winning, and thus presumably being competent, yet not succeeding.
    It's all about the ultimate end result.

    I mean Japan had a pretty good end to 1941 and start to 1942 in WWII.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,325
    felix said:

    Top trolling Boris!

    "RTVE Spain:
    Gibraltar becomes the first territory in the world to vaccinate all of its adult population - thanks to the UK! Cases have fallen 98% in the barely 2 months!

    Gibraltar se convierte en el primer territorio del mundo con toda su población adulta vacunada.

    Los casos activos se han reducido en un 98% en apenas dos meses.
    Lo cuenta @manuelroldan_
    desde @RTVEAndalucia"

    You Boris cheerleaders have a peculiar view of the world. I hope your hero doesn't share this notion of one-upmanship.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    AnneJGP said:

    I gather ROI Covid-19 precautions include no-one travelling more than 5km from home. So it will be people within 5km of the border.

    I was pleased to read that NI are doing this, but absolutely take on board the feelings of mainland UK people who are still waiting to be jabbed.

    However if it is only the very close ROI people who are getting the vaccines, that does seem to me a good reason. It would be akin to vaccinating Hampshire but not the near neighbours in Wiltshire.

    Good afternoon, everybody.
    I think there will be universal support for that, because in the scheme the numbers are tiny - the whole of NI is a rounding error quantity-wise - and it can be viewed through a 'protect ourselves' or 'help our friends' lens. And it helps having *something* +ve in the post-Brexit relationship, and is not overt enough to poke EU in the eye too much. And skates round any 'ROI dependent on UK' politics.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,344
    edited March 2021
    TimT said:


    @ Mr Divvie. Genuinely interested in your take on this.
    I'm not sure that there was much more tainting to be done, the whole thing is an almighty mess. There should be a complete ban on members of committees tweeting, giving interviews and writing opinion pieces (and of course leaking decisions) on committee proceedings until the findings are published. We're now at the stage where various folk are loudly proclaiming that a killer conclusion has been reached without being able to clearly state what that conclusion is.

    The replies to the original tweet in the post to which you replied are a case in point, with wrong assertions and partisan points being made from all sides.

    Cui bono? The Tories, Scottish and English, will probably take spreading enough muck if they can't get a killer blow, the SNP are ironically in the same position. The real loser in the long run is Holyrood which won't break Westminster hearts.
  • You Boris cheerleaders have a peculiar view of the world. I hope your hero doesn't share this notion of one-upmanship.
    I wonder if the cheerleaders have been sharing this?

    https://twitter.com/lukejones03/status/1373208744654475265
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Fallen from the highest death rate per Capita in the entire Universe

    To highest death rate per Capita in the entire Universe

    Well done Boris


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Not sure the point you are making. By the stats you link, Czechia, Belgium, Slovenia and Montenegro all have higher death rates per capita, and there are a bunch of other countries clustered around the UK number.

    The situation in the UK was very bad, no one challenges that. But it is improving faster than most of Europe. So what is your point?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    You Boris cheerleaders have a peculiar view of the world. I hope your hero doesn't share this notion of one-upmanship.
    If we had the same deaths per Capita as Gibralter we would be at almost 200K

    Completely moronic post from Felix
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,188
    Ouch that's a lot of runs. I thought we were supposed to win this having won the toss. What on earth happened?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I'm not sure that there was much more tainting to be done, the whole thing is an almighty mess. There should be a complete ban on members of committees tweeting, giving interviews and writing opinion pieces (and of course leaking decisions) on committee proceedings until the findings are published. We're now at the stage where various folk are loudly proclaiming that a killer conclusion has been reached without being able to clearly state what that conclusion is.

    The replies to the original tweet in the post to which you replied are a case in point, with wrong assertions and partisan points being made from all sides.

    Cui bono? The Tories, Scottish and English, will probably take spreading enough muck if they can't get a killer blow, the SNP are ironically in the same position. The real loser in the long run is Holyrood which won't break Westminster hearts.
    Thanks
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    TimT said:

    Not sure the point you are making. By the stats you link, Czechia, Belgium, Slovenia and Montenegro all have higher death rates per capita, and there are a bunch of other countries clustered around the UK number.

    The situation in the UK was very bad, no one challenges that. But it is improving faster than most of Europe. So what is your point?
    Felix was talking about Gibraltar not the UK
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited March 2021

    Fallen from the highest death rate per Capita in the entire Universe

    To highest death rate per Capita in the entire Universe

    Well done Boris


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Stop being dishonest.

    Under excess deaths (the vastly more accurate measure) we're 11th worst in Europe, which while bad, once adjusted for weight and the fact that we've (hopefully) seen our last wave isn't awful.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    A similar point likely holds for Gibralter.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    If we had the same deaths per Capita as Gibralter we would be at almost 200K

    Completely moronic post from Felix
    Surely he was merely celebrating their swiftness in rolling out the vaccine program? That's definitely a good thing, and that their death rate became so high makes it even more of a good thing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,408
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    Cyclefree said:

    That is why this is a difficult issue and there are no easy answers.

    But some level of self-control (or self-limitation, as you put it) is surely a key element in what it means to be an adult.

    Just because we can do something does not mean that we should. And using our judgment about when and whether we should do something is surely what we should be teaching our young and doing ourselves.

    Or trying to, anyway.
    I agree with the intention of what you say, but unfortunately the evidence points a different way about outcomes. The available outcomes are pretty restrictive and pretty free for all. I am of an age to have lived through both. I like and dislike elements of both.



  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Felix was talking about Gibraltar not the UK
    Ah, my bad!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    I'm not sure that there was much more tainting to be done, the whole thing is an almighty mess. There should be a complete ban on members of committees tweeting, giving interviews and writing opinion pieces (and of course leaking decisions) on committee proceedings until the findings are published.
    That would seem to be very sensible. Even if not an actual ban they should do that sort of thing as a matter of course.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367

    Comedy Dave won't be tweeting "Two doses" much longer:

    I think he'll adopt a "two doses at the trialed interval" argument which the UK can not win because we have applied scientific knowledge to stretch out the intervals to maximise the protection of the population. So keep an eye out for that spin Comedy Dave watchers.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,408
    Chameleon said:

    Stop being dishonest.

    Under excess deaths (the vastly more accurate measure) we're 11th worst in Europe, which while bad, once adjusted for weight and the fact that we've (hopefully) seen our last wave isn't awful.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    A similar point likely holds for Gibralter.
    I don't think "per 100,000 people" is a great measure either, because it mostly just measures how old your country is. I'd go for "percentage increase in deaths", which is the FT's metric.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,325

    If we had the same deaths per Capita as Gibralter we would be at almost 200K

    Completely moronic post from Felix
    When the much demanded pandemic public enquiry is agreed by the Government I expect the terms of reference to be focused entirely on vaccine provision.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,484
    Afternoon all :)

    Just skimming the numbers so thoughtfully linked by @Malmesbury

    For Newham, with a 16+ population of 275,000, 75,000 first vaccinations so far. It's worth mentioning however Newham is a "young" area - of the aforementioned 275,000 16+, 219,000 are between 16 and 54 so the numbers over 55 as a proportion of the population below the national average.

    That said, the vaccine take up among the 75+ age group is below 75% which is a concern albeit with small absolute numbers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    gealbhan said:

    For bonkers you could say criminal manslaughter. Makes you think of the French Socialists jailed for a similar thing?
    Tbh you could say the same for some of ours in the earlier stages.

    Unless there is proof of cynicism / recklessness.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited March 2021
    rcs1000 said:
    Certainly good for a laugh

    Only stupid racist scum that's unaware of their own privilege and bias, and with no understanding of dialectics and power/knowledge interaction dynamics, would log on this site and attack small countries like DPRK that are resisting western imperialism

    If not a parody, then a wonderful example of some people thinking resisting 'imperialism' trumps all else.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think "per 100,000 people" is a great measure either, because it mostly just measures how old your country is. I'd go for "percentage increase in deaths", which is the FT's metric.

    Good point, that does seem to be a better measure, do you have a link to their latest publication on it?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    rcs1000 said:
    How do I emigrate to DPRK? It sounds wonderful
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,408
    Stocky said:

    What they are playing at is putting the shoring-up of the EU ahead of the pandemic response.

    The EU is terrified that the UK, having just left, will soon, as with images from Israel, revert to a sort-of normal existence which will contrast significantly with other European nations. Their response is to downplay this effect wherever possible, and the EU has latched on to the idea of rubbishing the Oxford AZN vaccine in order to produce the narrative that UK citizens are not really vaccinated. Not really.

    Their fear, of course, is that the other EU nations who already have eurosceptic populations will have this amplified, thus threatening the existence of (or at least weakening further) the whole project.
    Stopping Germans from taking the AZ vaccine will have the opposite effect, though, because it lengthens the time between the UK and Germany returning to normal.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    glw said:

    I think he'll adopt a "two doses at the trialed interval" argument which the UK can not win because we have applied scientific knowledge to stretch out the intervals to maximise the protection of the population. So keep an eye out for that spin Comedy Dave watchers.
    It will be "at the approved interval" as that is a much more loaded description
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518
    gealbhan said:

    “Frozen” promotes incest! Screams the Puritanical morning edition of PB.
    I kid you not. There's a very vocal online community which is convinced that Elsa and Anna are sexual partners, and that this is the subtext of the films.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    Game over....
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited March 2021

    If we had the same deaths per Capita as Gibralter we would be at almost 200K

    Completely moronic post from Felix
    FWIW I don't think you can draw inferences from inflated death rates in microstates. Gibraltar has a population of less than 35,000 - the difference between what, on a larger scale, would be considered a slight, a middling or a quite extreme per capita death toll is therefore very small.

    Shrunk down to the scale of Gibraltar, 45 dead would match the EU average, 89 dead would be double the EU average (and represent the worst per capita rate in the whole world) and 22 dead would be half the EU average and significantly better than Germany. Luck probably plays a large part in jurisdictions as tiny as this.
  • Game over....

    It was over a long time ago.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    rcs1000 said:

    Stopping Germans from taking the AZ vaccine will have the opposite effect, though, because it lengthens the time between the UK and Germany returning to normal.
    And yet that looks like the strategy to blame shift.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682

    So competent that they were wiped off the face of the earth.
    Carthage merely turned into modern-day Tunis. After all, no one speaks Latin any more (except for Vatican City... and pretentious people...).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Who came up with idea of 20/20 international cricket?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682
    TimT said:

    How do I emigrate to DPRK? It sounds wonderful
    You need to have no Seoul to do that...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited March 2021
    The Northern Independence Party is quite a bit more expansionist than I thought. Supposedly it is based on a 1405 agreement with a Percy, though why that is the endpoint for national identity who knows.

    https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1319353669633138693/photo/1
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,854
    kle4 said:

    The Northern Independence Party is quite a bit more expansionist than I thought. Supposedly it is based on a 1405 agreement, though why that is the endpoint for national identity who knows.

    https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1319353669633138693/photo/1

    I presume this is quite a clever unionist psych-op.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526

    It was over a long time ago.
    Its the hope that kills you.....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,325
    Sean_F said:

    I kid you not. There's a very vocal online community which is convinced that Elsa and Anna are sexual partners, and that this is the subtext of the films.
    People by the sound of it, with far too much time on their hands.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    MaxPB said:

    And yet that looks like the strategy to blame shift.
    I'm not taking anything for granted because I'm in not believing anything good will happen before it actually does mode; HOWEVER... if this does all end with the UK coming out the other side of this catastrophe 3, 4 or 6 months ahead of most of the rest of Europe, then you can see the next ploy coming a mile off: blame the Evil Brits for cheating and stealing. Creating the illusion of being bookended in the West as well as the East by a malign foreign power suits the EU narrative just fine: circle the wagons.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I presume this is quite a clever unionist psych-op.
    It is the work of imbeciles.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    I'm not taking anything for granted because I'm in not believing anything good will happen before it actually does mode; HOWEVER... if this does all end with the UK coming out the other side of this catastrophe 3, 4 or 6 months ahead of most of the rest of Europe, then you can see the next ploy coming a mile off: blame the Evil Brits for cheating and stealing. Creating the illusion of being bookended in the West as well as the East by a malign foreign power suits the EU narrative just fine: circle the wagons.
    Yes, brexit Britain has definitely become the target of the EU's two minutes hate. It's quite the role reversal.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited March 2021
    "Men share the pain over Sarah Everard’s death
    We need to remind ourselves that this killing was a single act of brutality, not a dark parable about male attitudes.
    Matthew Parris"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/men-share-the-pain-over-everards-death-qfwmgn8w6
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    Carthage merely turned into modern-day Tunis. After all, no one speaks Latin any more (except for Vatican City... and pretentious people...).
    It's always puzzled me that Latin vanished. It must have been quite a thing to have been able to travel around the Roman Empire and converse in a common tongue. Obviously there were lots of other languages at the time too. Just weird that all that convenience was discarded by everyone.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    The question which effortlessly raises itself 'Is it true that in virtue of something this is a vase and not a glass, and if so what?" should keep philosophers in work for a bit.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,558

    I presume this is quite a clever unionist psych-op.
    It looks roughly like the Tripartite Indenture, although I don’t think without checking that it extended into East Anglia.

    The deal was Owain ap Gruffudd would rule Wales, Henry Percy would rule the north and Edmund Mortimer (who just happened to be Owain’s son in law and brother to Percy’s daughter in law) would rule the south.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,426
    AnneJGP said:

    Well done them. They still had to get the arms jabbed.

    May not count as UK exports, but it's a win anyway.
    To clarify, I meant a win against the virus.

    But doesn't Gibraltar depend heavily on workers living in Spain? Will the Gibraltar population being vaccinated enable the economy to get going again? Necessary, sure, but is it sufficient?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Omnium said:

    It's always puzzled me that Latin vanished. It must have been quite a thing to have been able to travel around the Roman Empire and converse in a common tongue. Obviously there were lots of other languages at the time too. Just weird that all that convenience was discarded by everyone.
    As I understand it, Latin didn't perish so much as evolve and blend into its surroundings, after the Roman political entity disintegrated. It's where all the Romance family of languages came from.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Floater said:
    It's impressive mental gymnastics to rail against the companies for exporting to other places rather than the EU in line with contractual obligations, and simultaneously claim credit for 'the EU' exporting what has been produced.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    RobD said:

    Wrong European President. This moron is Charles Michel.
    Relax. UVDL has been lying like Machiavelli's failed apprentice.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682
    edited March 2021
    ydoethur said:

    It looks roughly like the Tripartite Indenture, although I don’t think without checking that it extended into East Anglia.

    The deal was Owain ap Gruffudd would rule Wales, Henry Percy would rule the north and Edmund Mortimer (who just happened to be Owain’s son in law and brother to Percy’s daughter in law) would rule the south.
    Wiki reckons it would have looked like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Indenture
    image
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    AnneJGP said:

    To clarify, I meant a win against the virus.

    But doesn't Gibraltar depend heavily on workers living in Spain? Will the Gibraltar population being vaccinated enable the economy to get going again? Necessary, sure, but is it sufficient?
    Apparently they've begun vaccinating thousands of Spanish workers, which means we must have provided enough for that purpose, which is sensible.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/18/gibraltar-vaccine-coronavirus/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,558
    ydoethur said:

    It looks roughly like the Tripartite Indenture, although I don’t think without checking that it extended into East Anglia.

    The deal was Owain ap Gruffudd would rule Wales, Henry Percy would rule the north and Edmund Mortimer (who just happened to be Owain’s son in law and brother to Percy’s daughter in law) would rule the south.
    On a check, the lands to be given to Percy did include Norfolk, but not Cumberland. Interestingly, not Durham either, presumably because it would remain under the control of its bishops.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670

    Hello Anne.

    I would imagine that the likelihood of everyone in the RoI sticking to the 5km rule, especially if the prize for sacking it off is vaccination months ahead of schedule, is zero. As to how many of them are actually doing it, who can say? I can't readily find a figure for the percentage of the RoI population thought to have an NHS number.
    Related:

    Approximately 150k within 5km of the border. Which is 3%.

    Assuming uniform population distribution.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    Wiki reckons it would have looked like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Indenture
    image
    Looks more plausible.
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