Crisis Management: EU-style – politicalbetting.com
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Concise summary here for anyone who wants to dip but not plunge -RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
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Yeah I know a few people my sort of age, late 20s, who have the same issue. Sounds kind of scary to be honest.SandyRentool said:Covid anecdote time:
Colleague in his 20s. Caught Covid early in the first wave. Still can't taste anything.1 -
Rule 2 of VDL clubeek said:
So they screwed up their export ban by not looking or asking about the specific details and if there was any blockers to the plan.Malmesbury said:
Rule 1 of VDL club iswilliamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
1) Blame a subordinate. A specific subordinate
She has done this multiple times in her career.
That doesn't explain the screw up over the vaccines (the lack of which is why they need to try to stop the export of vaccines already bought and paid for by another country).
2) There is a different subordinate to blame for each fuckup.0 -
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.0 -
Sure, but even then has happy campers as a phrase had anything to do with being a camp gay person?Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
Its possible I suppose but if so I had no idea. If not then camp and campers would be a coincidence.0 -
Word was she specifically stepped in and took personal control. Presumably she thought there'd be plenty glory in it for her. "The woman who saved the EU from Covid."felix said:
Seems even the EC can have too much 'solidarity' if there's a job at stake. How are they doing today? still smashing up Africa?williamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
Oops.2 -
No. WallStreetBets hate this silver ramp. They think they are being used.RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
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Surely that's the lesson here. Do not bet big on any of these 'alternative' markets. Crypto, commodities, over shorted rubbish companies.kinabalu said:
Concise summary here for anyone who wants to dip but not plunge -RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55889331
Use as a hedge.0 -
She is stuck there at the summit, true.FrancisUrquhart said:
The problem is this time there is no where to shuffle her off to.Malmesbury said:
Rule 1 of VDL club iswilliamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
1) Blame a subordinate. A specific subordinate
She has done this multiple times in her career.
But, then whatever VDL does is by definition excellent. How could it not be? If it were not, that would suggest that the those who appointed her made a mistake.
So, 'bad' becomes 'good'.
For example, I predict VDL will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for combatting vaccine nationalism with bold calls against countries that are hoarders.
She has bravely stood up for internationalism against the narrow interests of individual countries.0 -
"Jesus Christ, see you, you are a fucking omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know: from bean to cup, you fuck up."Malmesbury said:
Rule 2 of VDL clubeek said:
So they screwed up their export ban by not looking or asking about the specific details and if there was any blockers to the plan.Malmesbury said:
Rule 1 of VDL club iswilliamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
1) Blame a subordinate. A specific subordinate
She has done this multiple times in her career.
That doesn't explain the screw up over the vaccines (the lack of which is why they need to try to stop the export of vaccines already bought and paid for by another country).
2) There is a different subordinate to blame for each fuckup.0 -
Rule 3 of VDL clubMarqueeMark said:
Word was she specifically stepped in and took personal control. Presumably she thought there'd be plenty glory in it for her. "The woman who saved the EU from Covid."felix said:
Seems even the EC can have too much 'solidarity' if there's a job at stake. How are they doing today? still smashing up Africa?williamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
Oops.
- Brief journalists about how you are going to make radical, brilliant changes
Rule 4 of VDL club
- Brief journalists that you had nothing to do with the stupid, incompetent changes that some idiot made. See Rules 1 & 21 -
Simon Clarke though.Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.-1 -
But not total as it does against normal and Kent COVID and that's with Novavax which on a like for like comparison is the same as Pfizer, Moderna and AZ 12 week.Anabobazina said:
I posted above though about protection from severe disease (still very high with the SA variant)MaxPB said:
The Novavax vaccine has got ~60% efficacy against SA COVID but has ~90% efficacy against the prevalent strains here. It's still ok, but we won't be able to go back to "normal" if it became the dominant strain because our herd immunity from vaccines may not be enough to prevent mass hospitalisations.Anabobazina said:Cue yet more hysteria on PB about variants
MinkKent
South Africa
For reference: “There is currently no evidence that this variant causes more severe illness, or that the regulated vaccine would not protect against it. Virus variation and mutation occurs naturally. The more we suppress new variants the more we will avoid variants which cause problems for treatment or vaccination.”
It's definitely an argument in favour of completely closing the border to all travel except freight and medical staff.
There are rumblings that all vaccines are only partially effective against Brazilian COVID many of them below the 50% threshold to get approval. The Chinese blame Brazil COVID for why two of their vaccines have got such wide efficacy ranges for their two clinical trials done in vs out of Brazil.
As I said, sealing off the border and imposing 14 day quarantine for all incoming travellers is the only way to save the summer for us, the government needs to act now and then ask J&J and Valneva to adjust their vaccines to to the Brazil, SA and other variants so we stay ahead of the curve and can slowly begin to reopen and take a flu style jab every winter for all over 50s and hope that the existing immunisation is enough to get young people through it should they get infected by a variant or use the new Valneva reserve to jab everyone once a year in August to October.0 -
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.0 -
How nice that the Commissioners have total autonomy over their areas without mentioning it to the president.CarlottaVance said:
In fairness around budget time rows here we sometimes get PMs leaking it's the Treasurys fault an unpopular measure is included they u turn on, as though the PM never sees it until the chancellor reads it out.1 -
They should pick the stronger horse next time.CarlottaVance said:
Unless this is a marathon not a sprint.0 -
Never mind the market risk, someone somewhere is going to do something stupid and get done for market abuse. And then they’ll be a popular cause because they were “standing up against big investors”. Sigh...kinabalu said:
Concise summary here for anyone who wants to dip but not plunge -RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55889331
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When will people learn?Theuniondivvie said:
Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters;Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
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The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.0 -
Are there odds for a UvdL ouster before Easter?2
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Fine European tradition, I believe Pericles made a similar point.YBarddCwsc said:
But, then whatever VDL does is by definition excellent. How could it not be? If it were not, that would suggest that the those who appointed her made a mistake.FrancisUrquhart said:
The problem is this time there is no where to shuffle her off to.Malmesbury said:
Rule 1 of VDL club iswilliamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
1) Blame a subordinate. A specific subordinate
She has done this multiple times in her career.
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Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.0 -
I have never seen “happy campers” in any context other than just talking about squabbling. People are making a big stretch. The author of that tweet may or may not be a nasty piece of work, but there’s nothing wrong with that tweet.kle4 said:
Sure, but even then has happy campers as a phrase had anything to do with being a camp gay person?Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
Its possible I suppose but if so I had no idea. If not then camp and campers would be a coincidence.
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The EU has remained totally united.
Well, not the Commission bit of it, you understand. There they are 'united' like ferrets in a sack.2 -
Cherry didn't have the option to stand - it was barred.Alistair said:
The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.0 -
Off topic.
I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
The costs to them are eye-watering.
Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.2 -
Roll over, Beethoven. The new EU anthem:YBarddCwsc said:
She is stuck there at the summit, true.FrancisUrquhart said:
The problem is this time there is no where to shuffle her off to.Malmesbury said:
Rule 1 of VDL club iswilliamglenn said:The buck doesn't stop here.
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1356253264065531906
1) Blame a subordinate. A specific subordinate
She has done this multiple times in her career.
But, then whatever VDL does is by definition excellent. How could it not be? If it were not, that would suggest that the those who appointed her made a mistake.
So, 'bad' becomes 'good'.
For example, I predict VDL will be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for combatting vaccine nationalism with bold calls against countries that are hoarders.
She has bravely stood up for internationalism against the narrow interests of individual countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQgQIMlwWw0 -
One result of the vaccine mess in the EU is that people will have to take London seriously again. When the UK government evaluated the EU scheme and concluded that it would introduce 'costly delays', no-one paid any attention and it was just reduced to a Brexit story.3
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If you look at prominent radical Eurosceptic groups like Leave.EU, its quite clear even they did not think they could get things this right. Even they did not believe their own critique of the EU to this extent.geoffw said:Are there odds for a UvdL ouster before Easter?
Events have overtaken them, in some respects. The EU isn't as bad as Nigel Farage says it is. It's worse.
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Any scope for UvdL to move on to head the IMF, the World Bank, NATO or the UN? Where else could Mme Widmerpool land?0
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I think you are assuming the data we get is like watching the cricket - i.e. we see an over, we know how many runs have been scored. As with all other data through the pandemic, we cannot assume the same for data. We are extremely lucky to see the level of data we get, but there are limits to that. Some has to get the information from all the locations to a central database. It almost certainly should not be used as a 'on this day, this many happened resource', despite appearing to be that. The weird saw-tooth nature of the vaccinations graph should tell you this. Why should the number increase every day of the week? It almost certainly doesn't, its an artifact of the data gathering, and added to that, the NHS is not a 24/7 service. There will be weekend effects.Anabobazina said:
Required daily rate as of this morning was 395k/day.maaarsh said:
If you want to continue to defend your flatly wrong attempt to look at a single day's data, you should have looked at the cumulative position on that day, which is unequivocally ahead of target.Anabobazina said:
No, the rate today was behind the required rate.maaarsh said:
No, we're not behind the required rate, at all.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. But below the required daily rate by a fair chalk.maaarsh said:
It's up 43% on last week and we're ahead of schedule on a rolling 7 day basis...Anabobazina said:
Not a disaster but well below the required rate.FrancisUrquhart said:Only 292k jabs in England on today numbers....I would guess 350k for UK as a whole.
ITS A DISASTER..........Runs around like a headless chicken.
Disappointing.
That is all I am saying. It's perfectly recoverable.
England is now on 9.08m people having had their first vaccine, with 2.35m in the last week and 2 full weeks until the deadline. Carrying on at the same pace with no increase could get them to 13.8m people by Valentine's day, vs the published target of 12m.
We are comfortably ahead of schedule and clearing going to beat the target.
(P.S. The overall target is 15m I think.)
https://www.gponline.com/uk-covid-19-vaccine-programme-halfway-15m-mid-february-target/article/1705853
All the numbers in my post were for England only, and the target for England, which we will utterly smash, is 12m by mid Feb.
Details all here given you seem a bit behind the facts -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-covid-19-vaccines-delivery-plan/uk-covid-19-vaccines-delivery-plan
That will be slightly higher now after we fell short today.
My analysis remains the same:
The Valentine's Day target is the right target.
We can and should beat it.
But let's keep the pressure on.
We are achieving an incredible feat.1 -
"Happy Campers" is an odd usage. The usual formulation is "not a happy camper". Still, it's Simon Clarke so god knows what the deal is here. I'm inclined to move on. He's just not worth it.kle4 said:
Sure, but even then has happy campers as a phrase had anything to do with being a camp gay person?Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
Its possible I suppose but if so I had no idea. If not then camp and campers would be a coincidence.2 -
Yes she did. She could have stood but didn't want to resign her Westminster seat.Carnyx said:
Cherry didn't have the option to stand - it was barred.Alistair said:
The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.
She wants to be leader but she doesn't personally want to risk anything0 -
The dangers of drawing conclusions without enough data. I saw a suggestion that the ONS figures may be inflated by past infections with the new variant (possibly inferring a lower IFR). Again - not proven.contrarian said:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9209583/Is-Kent-variant-REALLY-deadlier-original-Covid-strains.html
Kent variant may be no more deadly after all, despite many on here repeating project terror as gospel.0 -
It feels like a bit of a taste of the future to me. The reality of having two competing, large (even if one is larger, it’s not as dominant as, say, the USA vs Canada) markets right next to each other. Every time we do something differently, aiming for the same result, whoever is less successful will feel the pressure of comparison. Over time that might be a good thing.williamglenn said:One result of the vaccine mess in the EU is that people will have to take London seriously again. When the UK government evaluated the EU scheme and concluded that it would introduce 'costly delays', no-one paid any attention and it was just reduced to a Brexit story.
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Dunny-auf-den-Wold parish council?geoffw said:Any scope for UvdL to move on to head the IMF, the World Bank, NATO or the UN? Where else could Mme Widmerpool land?
(Sorry Dunnyites. But it's for the greater good....)2 -
The big red ones are oil shale rapidly being dug out and converted to motorway hard core etc. - but I'm sure there are some coal ones too (certainly visible from the air ladst time I lfew out of Turnhouse).Scott_xP said:
Still there in West LothianCarnyx said:Bings were waste tips from coal mines, at least hereabouts. Sometimes they would catch fire and burn slowly for years, with the small percentage of coal they contained.
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Now that is shit. Eating is one of life's great pleasures.Gallowgate said:
Yeah I know a few people my sort of age, late 20s, who have the same issue. Sounds kind of scary to be honest.SandyRentool said:Covid anecdote time:
Colleague in his 20s. Caught Covid early in the first wave. Still can't taste anything.2 -
It's an interesting question whether her tactics would be the right one. Haven't really been thinking about it, mind. Too much to happen before then in terms of the wider context.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.1 -
I think her worst case scenario is she is asked privately not to have another term and she gets backing for some other international post.geoffw said:Any scope for UvdL to move on to head the IMF, the World Bank, NATO or the UN? Where else could Mme Widmerpool land?
It's just too embarrassing and damaging to too many to force her resignation or see the whole commission to resign.
Its reminding me of Senate Republicans.0 -
The whole interview is fantastically interesting and shows so clearly why there was no 'right' way to vote or 'right' result of the referendum; Hammond's difficulties and doubts are identical to leave supporters ones.Scott_xP said:
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/interview-pdf/?personid=42190
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Quite correct, sorry.Alistair said:
Yes she did. She could have stood but didn't want to resign her Westminster seat.Carnyx said:
Cherry didn't have the option to stand - it was barred.Alistair said:
The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.
She wants to be leader but she doesn't personally want to risk anything0 -
You would think, but no, apparently the return of the king is what's needed. Eck can cure scrofula, unite the party and gain indy by some vague process of legal cases & mumble, mumble. I saw one excitable person tweeting in the Britnat vaccine nationalist style so familiar on PB that Salmond would also sort out Scotland's vaccination roll out.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.1 -
Very sensible.kinabalu said:
"Happy Campers" is an odd usage. The usual formulation is "not a happy camper". Still, it's Simon Clarke so god knows what the deal is here. I'm inclined to move on. He's just not worth it.kle4 said:
Sure, but even then has happy campers as a phrase had anything to do with being a camp gay person?Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
Its possible I suppose but if so I had no idea. If not then camp and campers would be a coincidence.3 -
It's a superb interview. How easy it is to forget that we used to have grown-ups in the Cabinet.algarkirk said:
The whole interview is fantastically interesting and shows so clearly why there was no 'right' way to vote or 'right' result of the referendum; Hammond's difficulties and doubts are identical to leave supporters ones.Scott_xP said:
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Thank god for that first full stopturbotubbs said:
Now that is shit. Eating is one of life's great pleasures.Gallowgate said:
Yeah I know a few people my sort of age, late 20s, who have the same issue. Sounds kind of scary to be honest.SandyRentool said:Covid anecdote time:
Colleague in his 20s. Caught Covid early in the first wave. Still can't taste anything.2 -
I wonder what exactly could be different between the UK and Florida in February....contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!1 -
I'm not so sure.kle4 said:
I think her worst case scenario is she is asked privately not to have another term and she gets backing for some other international post.geoffw said:Any scope for UvdL to move on to head the IMF, the World Bank, NATO or the UN? Where else could Mme Widmerpool land?
It's just too embarrassing and damaging to too many to force her resignation or see the whole commission to resign.
Its reminding me of Senate Republicans.
The EU vaccination program is such a mess that sacking the lot of them so they carry the can might be the only way to resolve the issue.
That isn't true today but in 3 to 6 months time when the UK is out of lockdown with single figure death figures while the EU still has problems it may be required.
But they won't do it today as someone needs to carry the blame can.1 -
I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.Yorkcity said:Off topic.
I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
The costs to them are eye-watering.
Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.
But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.
At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.1 -
18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking
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They will cling to the likely fact that the UK death rate will still be higher, and they should have lots of vaccines in a few months. Gives an out down the line.eek said:
I'm not so sure.kle4 said:
I think her worst case scenario is she is asked privately not to have another term and she gets backing for some other international post.geoffw said:Any scope for UvdL to move on to head the IMF, the World Bank, NATO or the UN? Where else could Mme Widmerpool land?
It's just too embarrassing and damaging to too many to force her resignation or see the whole commission to resign.
Its reminding me of Senate Republicans.
The EU vaccination program is such a mess that sacking the lot of them so they carry the can might be the only way to resolve the issue.
That isn't true today but in 3 to 6 months time when the UK is out of lockdown with single figure death figures while the EU still has problems it may be required.
But they won't do it today as someone needs to carry the blame can.0 -
Is there anything the man cannot do?Theuniondivvie said:
You would think, but no, apparently the return of the king is what's needed. Eck can cure scrofula, unite the party and gain indy by some vague process of legal cases & mumble, mumble. I saw one excitable person tweeting in the Britnat vaccine nationalist style so familiar on PB that Salmond would also sort out Scotland's vaccination roll out.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.0 -
I'm unsure on this. I'm very anti much of the IB/HF sector despite (or perhaps because of) spending much of my career in it. In essence I feel it remunerates itself well in excess of the real value it adds and thus makes everyone else poorer. It is kind of the equivalent of a fat kid overconsuming. I can't prove this - and weighty sounding contra arguments can be made - but I intuit it quite strongly. So, three cheers for a part of it getting screwed by a dose of people power is my natural and immediate response. And indeed I do feel that. But then I see Trumpy types - including the ghastly Ted Cruz - are also cheering and it gives me pause.Time_to_Leave said:
Never mind the market risk, someone somewhere is going to do something stupid and get done for market abuse. And then they’ll be a popular cause because they were “standing up against big investors”. Sigh...kinabalu said:
Concise summary here for anyone who wants to dip but not plunge -RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-558893310 -
Its good, but I'm more interested in the nascent drop in the admissions data. This is where we expect the effect of vaccinating the elderly and infirm to be felt first (not the cases total). Starting to look like we are seeing a significant drop now.NerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking3 -
Actually running a reasonable level of restrictions this time is crunching the cases compared to autumn.NerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking1 -
It is. Sad to say that if we had stuck at in December, we could have saved many thousands.Alistair said:
Actually running a reasonable level of restrictions this time is crunching the cases compared to autumn.NerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking0 -
No blue envelope to keep for posterity, just a personal phone invitation to a jabbing on Wednesday.
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On the Myanmar coup, I wonder if part of the calculation for the Generals is that Aung Sung Suu Kyi is not an international darling anymore. Less blowback perhaps.0
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Totally off topic but sometimes you just have to say "Dear god who thought this was a good idea"
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-chatbot-patent-dead-b1789979.html?s=030 -
I don't think there is enough money in the insulation companies (nor the builders) to pay the bills that need to be paid.MattW said:
I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.Yorkcity said:Off topic.
I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
The costs to them are eye-watering.
Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.
But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.
At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.0 -
In "incredibly deeply suspicious Covid news" I would be taking a massive sideways glance at Georgia.
One of the reasons I got out of the Georgia Senate run off market was that I expected a massive third wave surge of deaths that didn't come despite cases going through the roof.
However since the election, indeed starting on the very day after the election, a massive wave of back dated deaths have been released and continues to be released.
Georgia was indeed going through a surge of deaths that peaked around the day of the election, exactly as I thought there would be.
Yes, I am suggesting political interference in holding back the numbers.
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Weather? Spain should be out of lockdown any moment then...not_on_fire said:
I wonder what exactly could be different between the UK and Florida in February....contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!0 -
It seems the public at large hasn't grasped just how many people have died in Dec/January.turbotubbs said:
It is. Sad to say that if we had stuck at in December, we could have saved many thousands.Alistair said:
Actually running a reasonable level of restrictions this time is crunching the cases compared to autumn.NerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking1 -
Yes, the England data is actually really positive.turbotubbs said:
Its good, but I'm more interested in the nascent drop in the admissions data. This is where we expect the effect of vaccinating the elderly and infirm to be felt first (not the cases total). Starting to look like we are seeing a significant drop now.NerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking0 -
I think there's probably a market for it. And thisPagan2 said:Totally off topic but sometimes you just have to say "Dear god who thought this was a good idea"
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-chatbot-patent-dead-b1789979.html?s=03
The specific person may also correspond to oneself (e.g., the user creating/training the chat bot,” Microsoft also describes – implying that living users could train a digital replacement in the event of their death0 -
Except they have had 70% higher rate of cases per capita than the UK. I wonder how our health service would have coped with that?contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!1 -
Once we have more data, it will be interesting to compare the post-peak drop in cases with the equivalent point from Lockdown 1. One would hope it would be faster this time due to the vaccine.turbotubbs said:
Its good, but I'm more interested in the nascent drop in the admissions data. This is where we expect the effect of vaccinating the elderly and infirm to be felt first (not the cases total). Starting to look like we are seeing a significant drop now.NerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking0 -
I don't know. It's a bit shite at present, but if anyone ever invents a decent-grade bit of kit on the level of a Chelgrian soulkeeper ((c) I. M. Banks) that's Microsoft ready to claim their cut. And everyone would want one.Pagan2 said:Totally off topic but sometimes you just have to say "Dear god who thought this was a good idea"
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-chatbot-patent-dead-b1789979.html?s=030 -
Bizarre and unexplained story...
The Same Deadly Vitamin Deficiency Is Ravaging All Kinds of Animals
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/01/vitamin-b1-thiamine/617884/0 -
I agree.eek said:
I don't think there is enough money in the insulation companies (nor the builders) to pay the bills that need to be paid.MattW said:
I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.Yorkcity said:Off topic.
I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
The costs to them are eye-watering.
Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.
But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.
At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.
Its hard to understand that the cladding was approved by building inspectors , fire service and architects as safe.0 -
How did theirs? and why isn;t our health service like that?Richard_Tyndall said:
Except they have had 70% higher rate of cases per capita than the UK. I wonder how our health service would have coped with that?contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!
Maybe they had more deaths per capita as a result.
But look, their children are in SCHOOL. Their children aren't seeing their lives completely destroyed by lockdown. Many of ours are.
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week on week it's a 16% fall so the lowest in quite a while, but tests were 39% higher than last week so stil seems very encouragingNerysHughes said:18,607 Cases today
The steepness of the up and down of the curve of this wave is striking0 -
Assuming there would be another referendum with Sturgeon in charge.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.0 -
We spend a fraction of what they do on healthcare per head.contrarian said:
How did theirs? and why isn;t our health service like that?Richard_Tyndall said:
Except they have had 70% higher rate of cases per capita than the UK. I wonder how our health service would have coped with that?contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!0 -
All heading in the right direction:
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The SNP wanted her to pay £10,000 to stand, to cover cost of a Westminster by-election.Alistair said:
Yes she did. She could have stood but didn't want to resign her Westminster seat.Carnyx said:
Cherry didn't have the option to stand - it was barred.Alistair said:
The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.
She wants to be leader but she doesn't personally want to risk anything
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joanna-cherry-will-not-seek-holyrood-nomination-due-snp-rules-change-29298190 -
No they really aren't. It is not ideal but it is not destroying lives. Catching Covid and dying on the other hand does destroy lives. As does listening to idiots like you.contrarian said:
How did theirs? and why isn;t our health service like that?Richard_Tyndall said:
Except they have had 70% higher rate of cases per capita than the UK. I wonder how our health service would have coped with that?contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!
Maybe they had more deaths per capita as a result.
But look, their children are in SCHOOL. Their children aren't seeing their lives completely destroyed by lockdown. Many of ours are.2 -
Dave not drinking Ursula's Kool-Aid:
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Only southern Spain on the coast is springlike by February - we've has 23+ degrees for a week or so now - but this year the cases are still soaring in our area despite near lockdown with no signs of them easing,contrarian said:
Weather? Spain should be out of lockdown any moment then...not_on_fire said:
I wonder what exactly could be different between the UK and Florida in February....contrarian said:In Florida now cases are falling and
every Floridian has a right to operate a business.
every Floridian has a right to work.
every Floridian child has a right to an in person education.
If you are a restaurant worker they have your back.
If you are a hairdresser they have your back.
Go Florida!0 -
It's a scandal. Loads of people (many in straitened circumstances) losing more money than they can afford and/or trapped and unable to move. If we weren't in a time where Covid and Brexit eat all the pies it would be all over the media and a very hot political potato.MattW said:
I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.Yorkcity said:Off topic.
I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
The costs to them are eye-watering.
Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.
But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.
At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.
(Sorry about pies AND potatoes there. You can tell I've got dinner on the brain.)0 -
Shag civil servants?kle4 said:
Is there anything the man cannot do?Theuniondivvie said:
You would think, but no, apparently the return of the king is what's needed. Eck can cure scrofula, unite the party and gain indy by some vague process of legal cases & mumble, mumble. I saw one excitable person tweeting in the Britnat vaccine nationalist style so familiar on PB that Salmond would also sort out Scotland's vaccination roll out.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.0 -
My fear is that the crowd seems to be picking on stocks that are not undervalued, but are in fact quite properly on a down swing. There’s a legitimate argument about short selling, but I can’t help but be cynical and assume that the first ones to propose this crowd movement have long since sold their positions and have just milked everyone else for what they can get.kinabalu said:
I'm unsure on this. I'm very anti much of the IB/HF sector despite (or perhaps because of) spending much of my career in it. In essence I feel it remunerates itself well in excess of the real value it adds and thus makes everyone else poorer. It is kind of the equivalent of a fat kid overconsuming. I can't prove this - and weighty sounding contra arguments can be made - but I intuit it quite strongly. So, three cheers for a part of it getting screwed by a dose of people power is my natural and immediate response. And indeed I do feel that. But then I see Trumpy types - including the ghastly Ted Cruz - are also cheering and it gives me pause.Time_to_Leave said:
Never mind the market risk, someone somewhere is going to do something stupid and get done for market abuse. And then they’ll be a popular cause because they were “standing up against big investors”. Sigh...kinabalu said:
Concise summary here for anyone who wants to dip but not plunge -RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55889331
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'It comes after suggestions that the SNP's ruling National Executive Committee could bring in a new requirement for sitting MPs wishing to stand for Holyrood to secure at least £10,000 of funding towards the subsequent by-election campaign.'Fairliered said:
The SNP wanted her to pay £10,000 to stand, to cover cost of a Westminster by-election.Alistair said:
Yes she did. She could have stood but didn't want to resign her Westminster seat.Carnyx said:
Cherry didn't have the option to stand - it was barred.Alistair said:
The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.
She wants to be leader but she doesn't personally want to risk anything
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joanna-cherry-will-not-seek-holyrood-nomination-due-snp-rules-change-2929819
'Could' doing a bit of work there. Was the requirement brought in?
If so I'd assume it would apply equally to all WM to Holyrood transfers?0 -
Keep his hands to himself?kle4 said:
Is there anything the man cannot do?Theuniondivvie said:
You would think, but no, apparently the return of the king is what's needed. Eck can cure scrofula, unite the party and gain indy by some vague process of legal cases & mumble, mumble. I saw one excitable person tweeting in the Britnat vaccine nationalist style so familiar on PB that Salmond would also sort out Scotland's vaccination roll out.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.2 -
Hopefully it continues but its remarkably linear descent so far. It ought to be more logarithmic. If it continues at this rate (it won't) then two weeks today when the deadline for vaccinating the first round ends there would be no cases reported.CarlottaVance said:All heading in the right direction:
Hopefully it gets as close to that as possible. I would like to see the test positivity rate back under 1% ideally.1 -
Unacceptable.Time_to_Leave said:
My fear is that the crowd seems to be picking on stocks that are not undervalued, but are in fact quite properly on a down swing. There’s a legitimate argument about short selling, but I can’t help but be cynical and assume that the first ones to propose this crowd movement have long since sold their positions and have just milked everyone else for what they can get.kinabalu said:
I'm unsure on this. I'm very anti much of the IB/HF sector despite (or perhaps because of) spending much of my career in it. In essence I feel it remunerates itself well in excess of the real value it adds and thus makes everyone else poorer. It is kind of the equivalent of a fat kid overconsuming. I can't prove this - and weighty sounding contra arguments can be made - but I intuit it quite strongly. So, three cheers for a part of it getting screwed by a dose of people power is my natural and immediate response. And indeed I do feel that. But then I see Trumpy types - including the ghastly Ted Cruz - are also cheering and it gives me pause.Time_to_Leave said:
Never mind the market risk, someone somewhere is going to do something stupid and get done for market abuse. And then they’ll be a popular cause because they were “standing up against big investors”. Sigh...kinabalu said:
Concise summary here for anyone who wants to dip but not plunge -RochdalePioneers said:Meanwhile, in markets world, it seems the GameStop rampers are going after Silver...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55889331
There are highly paid professionals who usually do that.1 -
New Zealand's vaccination programme will begin in the second quarter of 2021.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-response-planning/covid-19-vaccine-planning
South Korea will start vaccinating in late February.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/south-koreas-waiting-game-covid-19-vaccine/story?id=751319710 -
Yep - the success of Indy's chances is inextricably bound with Boris in No 10 and Nicola in Bute House. Which is why there will be no referendum so long as that condition applies.Fairliered said:
Assuming there would be another referendum with Sturgeon in charge.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.
Its' a Catch-22.0 -
It was passed as a resolution of the NEC .Theuniondivvie said:
'It comes after suggestions that the SNP's ruling National Executive Committee could bring in a new requirement for sitting MPs wishing to stand for Holyrood to secure at least £10,000 of funding towards the subsequent by-election campaign.'Fairliered said:
The SNP wanted her to pay £10,000 to stand, to cover cost of a Westminster by-election.Alistair said:
Yes she did. She could have stood but didn't want to resign her Westminster seat.Carnyx said:
Cherry didn't have the option to stand - it was barred.Alistair said:
The ISP is for exactly the kind of people who thought RISE was going to do great.Theuniondivvie said:
I did say not likely.Alistair said:
Lolz, Cherry isn't that stupid.Theuniondivvie said:It occurs to me that for real skip fire quality Cherry might stand on the list for the ISP (not sure how far they're along the line on confirming candidates) on an explicitly Salmondite ticket, he's been suspiciously quiet on endorsing any one person or party for May. Of course it would end any hopes of leading the SNP and FM-ship, and would be a big gamble (pollster aren't even mentioning ISP on their Scottish polls so far).
Not likely but the days of political sure things are long gone.
What I'm really wondering per May election is what is the ISP for, its USP as it were? Unless Salmond jumps in I can see them having a Rise level performance. Their adherents are currently pushing the line that twitter polls are more reflective of their true chances rather than actual polls by accredited pollsters; that's giving off a real limp dick energy.
The great anti-Sturgeon coup is putting all its eggs in the Salmond enquiry basket and even that is botched.
With Cherry lacking the guts to stand for Ed Central they don't have a figure lined up to take over even if #TheSturge (sorry, making up my own shit doomed to fail Twitter nickname there) is toppled.
So say the enquiry forces Sturgeon to step down, who from the Cherry wing takes over? And they'd just be a seat warmer for Cherry, who must be painfully aware that she herself would be a seat warmer for Salmond.
At best! They have rather got over excited at winning the NEC places on shite turnout.
She wants to be leader but she doesn't personally want to risk anything
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joanna-cherry-will-not-seek-holyrood-nomination-due-snp-rules-change-2929819
'Could' doing a bit of work there. Was the requirement brought in?
If so I'd assume it would apply equally to all WM to Holyrood transfers?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1318217/snp-edinburgh-central-scotland-elections-holyrood-latest-nicola-sturgeon0 -
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The allure of the "king in exile" perhaps. Or, stretching it, like when a big act doesn't release an album for ages. They grow in mystique and appeal. The Happy Mondays spring to mind. Or Kate Bush.Theuniondivvie said:
You would think, but no, apparently the return of the king is what's needed. Eck can cure scrofula, unite the party and gain indy by some vague process of legal cases & mumble, mumble. I saw one excitable person tweeting in the Britnat vaccine nationalist style so familiar on PB that Salmond would also sort out Scotland's vaccination roll out.kinabalu said:
Not close to this at all but surely Sindy's chances in another Ref would be maximized by having Sturgeon leading the campaign?Carnyx said:
That's an excellent point to consider.megalomaniacs4u said:
It more about Sturgeon assuring her succession as it looks like she may be gone sooner rather than laterSelebian said:
Yep, indyref 2 differences, I was at least aware of that too. The whole LGBT row had passed me by thought (just done some Googling)Carnyx said:
I'm sure part of it is about Mr S - but by no means all of it. Also to do with approaches to indyref 2, and so on.Selebian said:
Is it? I thought it was all about Salmond. I clearly need to read up further (seriously). But then, I didn't even know Cherry was gay.Carnyx said:
Given that one of the key issues is a serious disagreement within the LGBT community I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberately chosen (precisely to allow the claim of injured innocence if anyone points it out).Philip_Thompson said:
Oh, yeah. Didn't connect campers to camp but that seems a really big stretch to find that offensive.Carnyx said:
"Camp" = stereotypical gay man. Edit: think Soho boho 1960s-70s.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't get it? 🤷🏻♂️RochdalePioneers said:Happily I will soon move far away from local Tory Simon Clarke. He couldn't be classier if he tried. "Happy Campers" FFS. He'll be posting in a bit claiming to be outraged that describing a gay woman that way could be considered to be problematic.
https://twitter.com/SimonClarkeMP/status/1356236028978278403
That phrase to me literally refers to people squabbling. I am not aware of any LGBT association to camping or happy campers.
You do have to be a bit old and/or middle aged to use that vocabulary as a matter of routine.
/Crawls back under the rock I've apparently been living under.
But more seriously, Salmond is clearly a gifted and capable politician, top drawer in many ways, but he does have a slippery and ever so slightly "off" vibe to me. And whilst I fully accept the verdicts on the 'sexpest' matter - and can believe there were some dark political motives there - nevertheless just based on what is known and accepted about his behaviour in that arena it doesn't make me want to revise my opinion upwards.0
