Lucky. Trump’s farcial self-coup failed because of little more than the happenstance of his inadequa

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

FPT: "The SNP are less likely to enjoy their current hegemony post independence. I can even imagine a (rebranded) Scottish Conservative party being in government post independence."

I don't buy that. If Scotland is going to be independent, then surely the expression of that is ensuring it remains something very different to what they have now - a Tory Government. The SNP will ride the wave of delivery for a decade before it all gets horribly incestuous, with a chumocracy that even the Westminster Tories would never have the neck to put in place. Some bad scandals, some jail time and a quite abrupt turning away from the SNP is my guess.

But not to anything that looks like it might be Tories in disguise. A new Tartan-clad social democrat party would be my guess, one that appeals to both LibDems and Tories with quite a few ex-SLAB and SNPers who see a need for change climbing aboard. The interesting question will be - is it a party that will want to join the EU? But they will have the benefit of quite a few years to see how the wind is blowing on that. (Implicit in that is that I don't expect the SNP to apply to join straight away - there will be a huge debate about the pros and cons. There will be plenty who don't want to swap the choke-hold of Westminster for the choke-hold of Brussels....)

Floater said:

Bravo David - excellent

Couldn't agree more. Lock Him Up.

MarqueeMark said:

FPT: "The SNP are less likely to enjoy their current hegemony post independence. I can even imagine a (rebranded) Scottish Conservative party being in government post independence."

I don't buy that. If Scotland is going to be independent, then surely the expression of that is ensuring it remains something very different to what they have now - a Tory Government. The SNP will ride the wave of delivery for a decade before it all gets horribly incestuous, with a chumocracy that even the Westminster Tories would never have the neck to put in place. Some bad scandals, some jail time and a quite abrupt turning away from the SNP is my guess.

But not to anything that looks like it might be Tories in disguise. A new Tartan-clad social democrat party would be my guess, one that appeals to both LibDems and Tories with quite a few ex-SLAB and SNPers who see a need for change climbing aboard. The interesting question will be - is it a party that will want to join the EU? But they will have the benefit of quite a few years to see how the wind is blowing on that. (Implicit in that is that I don't expect the SNP to apply to join straight away - there will be a huge debate about the pros and cons. There will be plenty who don't want to swap the choke-hold of Westminster for the choke-hold of Brussels....)

The precedent of the ANC is not encouraging.

Looked like a good piece but I'm afraid I gave up on the third or fourth paragraph. Too long, too wordy.

stjohn said:

Floater said:

Bravo David - excellent

Couldn't agree more. Lock Him Up.

That is a bit mean. What has David done to deserve that.

This attempted coup was farcical, although it could have have turned out very bloodily. I'm pretty sure that people like Nancy Pelosi would have been strung up had they fallen into the hands of the rioters.

The hallmark of a properly executed coup d'etat is that it should be almost bloodless at the point of execution, because all the pieces have already been played.

DavidL said:

MarqueeMark said:

FPT: "The SNP are less likely to enjoy their current hegemony post independence. I can even imagine a (rebranded) Scottish Conservative party being in government post independence."

I don't buy that. If Scotland is going to be independent, then surely the expression of that is ensuring it remains something very different to what they have now - a Tory Government. The SNP will ride the wave of delivery for a decade before it all gets horribly incestuous, with a chumocracy that even the Westminster Tories would never have the neck to put in place. Some bad scandals, some jail time and a quite abrupt turning away from the SNP is my guess.

But not to anything that looks like it might be Tories in disguise. A new Tartan-clad social democrat party would be my guess, one that appeals to both LibDems and Tories with quite a few ex-SLAB and SNPers who see a need for change climbing aboard. The interesting question will be - is it a party that will want to join the EU? But they will have the benefit of quite a few years to see how the wind is blowing on that. (Implicit in that is that I don't expect the SNP to apply to join straight away - there will be a huge debate about the pros and cons. There will be plenty who don't want to swap the choke-hold of Westminster for the choke-hold of Brussels....)

The precedent of the ANC is not encouraging.

Not even I would use a precedent suggesting that the Union resembles apartheid S.Africa!

It could be that post indy, the political split will be, rejoin the EU, join EFTA, stay totally independent, rejoin the UK. I hope not! I think the existing parties are more likely to evolve into a wet type Conservative party, a hard right Brexit type party, a social democratic party combining elements of the SNP and Labour, and a left wing party combining parts of SNP, the SSP and the Greens. I don’t see a role for the Lib Dems anywhere (just like the UK).

Should say I think this analysis of Trump’s thinking is entirely right. The really telling indicator was the absence of the National Guard, and their failure to respond when summoned.

Sean_F said:

This attempted coup was farcical, although it could have have turned out very bloodily. I'm pretty sure that people like Nancy Pelosi would have been strung up had they fallen into the hands of the rioters.

The hallmark of a properly executed coup d'etat is that it should be almost bloodless at the point of execution, because all the pieces have already been played.

Although it was the day after, the death and nature of it that shocked me most was that of the policeman.

I know nothing of US laws; can Trump be held responsible anyway for these deaths e.g. incitement.

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

Sadly it'll rumble on for a long time, as actions are needed - David is right that the shambles cannot disguise he wanted, somehow, to overturn the election. Then theres post presidency legal action. He'll be with us forever

I think that he will be impeached and this time the Senate will convict. The result is that he will be banned from public office and that will take some of the heat out of this. Its a lot less likely that he will see jail time but he certainly deserves to.

This Senate? When its easier to let it slide as he is out of office soon?

The conviction will probably be after 20th January but that is apparently competent.

One of your best David.

Mysticrose said:

Looked like a good piece but I'm afraid I gave up on the third or fourth paragraph. Too long, too wordy.

Lightweight.

OldKingCole said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

Sadly it'll rumble on for a long time, as actions are needed - David is right that the shambles cannot disguise he wanted, somehow, to overturn the election. Then theres post presidency legal action. He'll be with us forever

I think that he will be impeached and this time the Senate will convict. The result is that he will be banned from public office and that will take some of the heat out of this. Its a lot less likely that he will see jail time but he certainly deserves to.

Can someone be impeached once out of office? If not, the time to do so is very short.

From what people are saying, yes they can, but I think the articles of impeachment have to be moved while they are in office

Sandpit said:

FPT

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Floater said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Another 737 goes missing in Indonesia sadly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_in_Indonesia

2nd para refers.

Also was it a 737 MAX

Some media are reporting that it’s a 737 Max - but no, it isn’t. It’s an old 737-500. Sadly Indonesia has a very poor record on aviation safety. 55 people on board, not looking like anything but a bad outcome. Debris found in the water.

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/637944-737-500-missing-indonesia.html

So many planes have been standing idle for so long in 2020.

I am sticking to the Red Funnel this year, again!

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

Sadly it'll rumble on for a long time, as actions are needed - David is right that the shambles cannot disguise he wanted, somehow, to overturn the election. Then theres post presidency legal action. He'll be with us forever

I think that he will be impeached and this time the Senate will convict. The result is that he will be banned from public office and that will take some of the heat out of this. Its a lot less likely that he will see jail time but he certainly deserves to.

This Senate? When its easier to let it slide as he is out of office soon?

I think there are probably a number of Republican senators who realise that their lives were in danger. Pence is quite possibly thinking the same.

Those who were on board with the steal (whether or not with the coup) might well be so inclined. The rest are likely much more persuadable.

The New Yorker has talked to one of the flexicuff guys. Apparently he ‘found them’ and was going to take them to teacher.

Great article, David.
I agree with every line.

Mysticrose said:

Looked like a good piece but I'm afraid I gave up on the third or fourth paragraph. Too long, too wordy.

yeah, who wants to come to a website for words these days

Nigelb said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

Sadly it'll rumble on for a long time, as actions are needed - David is right that the shambles cannot disguise he wanted, somehow, to overturn the election. Then theres post presidency legal action. He'll be with us forever

I think that he will be impeached and this time the Senate will convict. The result is that he will be banned from public office and that will take some of the heat out of this. Its a lot less likely that he will see jail time but he certainly deserves to.

This Senate? When its easier to let it slide as he is out of office soon?

I think there are probably a number of Republican senators who realise that their lives were in danger. Pence is quite possibly thinking the same.

Those who were on board with the steal (whether or not with the coup) might well be so inclined. The rest are likely much more persuadable.

Even someone like Ted Cruz is now hated by Democrats, Romney types AND a fair proportion of MAGAs. It is really hard to predict how this plays out in the Republican party. Everything has changed, but how it will develop is unknowable.

JohnLilburne said:

Sean_F said:

This attempted coup was farcical, although it could have have turned out very bloodily. I'm pretty sure that people like Nancy Pelosi would have been strung up had they fallen into the hands of the rioters.

The hallmark of a properly executed coup d'etat is that it should be almost bloodless at the point of execution, because all the pieces have already been played.

I don't think it was a serious attempt at a coup. It was a demonstration - in the military definition - and an attempt to use the mob and create a mythology for the future. I see it more as the basis for the use of violent force during the next 4 years of opposition. Think the Nazis in the 1920s.

I dont think there was any strategy at all. Trump just makes it up as he goes along in a haze of dementia, personality disorders and drugs.

stjohn said:

Trump is a bully and a coward. He wanted the coup to succeed but deep down knew it was unlikely to do so and did not want to face the consequences of being caught red handed. Caught with blood on his hands.

He behaved like a Caesar or a Mafia boss. He made it as clear as he dared, without explicitly saying so, what he wanted to happen. "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" But the coward in him and perhaps any residual humanity that still lurks within his baseless soul, stopped him going all in.

That’s how many coups are done: plausible deniability until it works.
Incompetence meant it didn’t - and made any denial implausible - but even so, I think it came a lot closer to succeeding than the farcical elements make it appear.

The mob failed to change the outcome of the election, but it showed the world what was possible. If the mob and its enablers — the president and his allies — walk away unpunished, then the mob will return.

Again, five people are dead who were alive when Wednesday began. Next time, it might be dozens. Or hundreds. Next time, our government might not bounce back so easily. Here, Congress doesn’t need courage. It just needs a sense of self-preservation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/opinion/trump-capitol-riot-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

What an excellent analysis - well done David.

O/T

"Indonesia plane: Boeing missing after losing 'more than 10,000ft in less than a minute'
Suspected debris has been found off Jakarta, a rescue agency official has said, although its source has not been confirmed."

https://news.sky.com/story/indonesia-plane-boeing-missing-after-losing-more-than-10-000ft-in-less-than-a-minute-12183054

noneoftheabove said:

Nigelb said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

Sadly it'll rumble on for a long time, as actions are needed - David is right that the shambles cannot disguise he wanted, somehow, to overturn the election. Then theres post presidency legal action. He'll be with us forever

I think that he will be impeached and this time the Senate will convict. The result is that he will be banned from public office and that will take some of the heat out of this. Its a lot less likely that he will see jail time but he certainly deserves to.

This Senate? When its easier to let it slide as he is out of office soon?

I think there are probably a number of Republican senators who realise that their lives were in danger. Pence is quite possibly thinking the same.

Those who were on board with the steal (whether or not with the coup) might well be so inclined. The rest are likely much more persuadable.

Even someone like Ted Cruz is now hated by Democrats, Romney types AND a fair proportion of MAGAs. It is really hard to predict how this plays out in the Republican party. Everything has changed, but how it will develop is unknowable.

Only 8 GOP Senators objected to Biden's election, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Cindy Hyde-Smith, John Kennedy, Cynthia Lummis, Roger Marshall, Rick Scott and Tommy Tuberville.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1347208554684571650?s=20

While the Democratic controlled House would almost certainly vote to impeach Trump again it is the until Jan 20th GOP controlled Senate that would try him and vote on whether to convict him or not

Dura_Ace said:

JohnLilburne said:

Sean_F said:

This attempted coup was farcical, although it could have have turned out very bloodily. I'm pretty sure that people like Nancy Pelosi would have been strung up had they fallen into the hands of the rioters.

The hallmark of a properly executed coup d'etat is that it should be almost bloodless at the point of execution, because all the pieces have already been played.

I don't think it was a serious attempt at a coup. It was a demonstration - in the military definition - and an attempt to use the mob and create a mythology for the future. I see it more as the basis for the use of violent force during the next 4 years of opposition. Think the Nazis in the 1920s.

I dont think there was any strategy at all. Trump just makes it up as he goes along in a haze of dementia, personality disorders and drugs.

Possible, but he has one or two more clear headed incipient fascists around him.

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/hiroshima-non-amour/

Link.

Scott_xP said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

Noted elsewhere, the debate is raging over which of them is telling lies, while the obvious truth would be that both of them are

I honestly think there are two options.
1. She goes now.
2. She stays as 'caretaker' to 'see Covid through' but promises to make way for a new leader at some predetermined point. I don't see an option 3 where she survives. But perhaps I'm totally wrong.

Would the military intervene? It’s unlikely, if they’re ordered not to. While the army might well refuse unlawful orders, it’s a wholly different thing for them to independently initiate action.

Its not only the President who has control of a military force.

What would have happened if the Governors of Virginia or Maryland had sent in their national guards to retake the Capitol ?

noneoftheabove said:

JohnLilburne said:

Sean_F said:

This attempted coup was farcical, although it could have have turned out very bloodily. I'm pretty sure that people like Nancy Pelosi would have been strung up had they fallen into the hands of the rioters.

The hallmark of a properly executed coup d'etat is that it should be almost bloodless at the point of execution, because all the pieces have already been played.

I don't think it was a serious attempt at a coup. It was a demonstration - in the military definition - and an attempt to use the mob and create a mythology for the future. I see it more as the basis for the use of violent force during the next 4 years of opposition. Think the Nazis in the 1920s.

What chances Democrat representatives in a state legislature somewhere are captured and killed at some point in the next four years? It must be pretty scary for them knowing many Republican politicians at that level who control local law enforcement go along with the coup.

I saw a list that claims to have found five who stormed the Capitol building and posted about it on social media.

There's a large Coup Caucus within the Republican Party at all levels. A line has now to be drawn.

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

If true that could destroy SNP chances of a Holyrood majority in May and that would add to pressure on Sturgeon to resign

Whether it was part of Trumps's strategy or not the assassination of large numbers of senators and representatives, and including the VP, was considerably more than a distinct possibility, more like an extremely narrow escape.

I don't know if that would have been enough to make the coup stick in of itself, but the political ramifications of that would have been humongous either way.

Dura_Ace said:

JohnLilburne said:

Sean_F said:

This attempted coup was farcical, although it could have have turned out very bloodily. I'm pretty sure that people like Nancy Pelosi would have been strung up had they fallen into the hands of the rioters.

The hallmark of a properly executed coup d'etat is that it should be almost bloodless at the point of execution, because all the pieces have already been played.

I don't think it was a serious attempt at a coup. It was a demonstration - in the military definition - and an attempt to use the mob and create a mythology for the future. I see it more as the basis for the use of violent force during the next 4 years of opposition. Think the Nazis in the 1920s.

I dont think there was any strategy at all. Trump just makes it up as he goes along in a haze of dementia, personality disorders and drugs.

It was just a bunch of nutjobs , most of whom would struggle to beat a carpet.
Anyone suggesting a coup is similar or on the make.

Nigelb said:

noneoftheabove said:

LostPassword said:

Mysticrose said:

Looked like a good piece but I'm afraid I gave up on the third or fourth paragraph. Too long, too wordy.

It's not exactly War and Peace.

I thought it was just long enough to make its argument.

Criticisms of the articles here being too long consistently astound me. Who can be bothered to log on to a political betting site a couple of days after a coup in Washington yet finds two minutes reading something very well written and argued a bit too much? And then makes that public!

A writer, apparently.

But evidently not a reader.

another_richard said:

Would the military intervene? It’s unlikely, if they’re ordered not to. While the army might well refuse unlawful orders, it’s a wholly different thing for them to independently initiate action.

Its not only the President who has control of a military force.

What would have happened if the Governors of Virginia or Maryland had sent in their national guards to retake the Capitol ?

They did.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/dc/national-guard-troops-deployed-washington-dc-us-capital-building-lockdown/65-afd10329-b508-4cbc-939a-5901a1b33d53

Excellent header. I've been very doubtful that this was a genuine coup - I see it - or saw it - as a piece of theatre designed to assuage the hurt pride of a wounded narcissist. A piece of theatre that got way out of hand.

But this might have persuaded me. Biden needs to do the biggest political investigation in US history, because if it was a genuine attempt at a coup, it is bigger than Watergate by many orders of magnitude.

dixiedean said:

Several members of the GOP came out well when the heat was on. I name Raffensperger. Gov. Kemp. The Governor of Maryland who called out the National Guard and deployed them. The numerous Congress folk and Senators who were having none of it.
Above all Mike Pence. Who almost single handedly saved the Republic. Who'd have imagined that?
The problem with a coup is you need full control of your own side. Don thought he did. But didn't.
When the curtain was drawn back there wasn't much more than a sad loser and a bunch of enablers.
Some very sad, some extremely dangerous.

To get loyalty you first need to show loyalty.

And I doubt few people have ever thought that Trump was loyal to them.

HYUFD said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

If true that could destroy SNP chances of a Holyrood majority in May and that would add to pressure on Sturgeon to resign

Grasping at straws still I see.

HYUFD said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

If true that could destroy SNP chances of a Holyrood majority in May and that would add to pressure on Sturgeon to resign

That’d be good for Starmer and mixed for Johnson.

MarqueeMark said:

FPT: "The SNP are less likely to enjoy their current hegemony post independence. I can even imagine a (rebranded) Scottish Conservative party being in government post independence."

I don't buy that. If Scotland is going to be independent, then surely the expression of that is ensuring it remains something very different to what they have now - a Tory Government. The SNP will ride the wave of delivery for a decade before it all gets horribly incestuous, with a chumocracy that even the Westminster Tories would never have the neck to put in place. Some bad scandals, some jail time and a quite abrupt turning away from the SNP is my guess.

But not to anything that looks like it might be Tories in disguise. A new Tartan-clad social democrat party would be my guess, one that appeals to both LibDems and Tories with quite a few ex-SLAB and SNPers who see a need for change climbing aboard. The interesting question will be - is it a party that will want to join the EU? But they will have the benefit of quite a few years to see how the wind is blowing on that. (Implicit in that is that I don't expect the SNP to apply to join straight away - there will be a huge debate about the pros and cons. There will be plenty who don't want to swap the choke-hold of Westminster for the choke-hold of Brussels....)

I don't agree. I think the SNP will split very soon after independence.

Also - EFTA is another option. And a credible interim one.

Foss said:

HYUFD said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

If true that could destroy SNP chances of a Holyrood majority in May and that would add to pressure on Sturgeon to resign

That’d be good for Starmer and mixed for Johnson.

Yes, Starmer needs Scottish MPs to become PM.

Johnson cannot stay PM if the Union breaks up but he is most likely to win another majority in England and Wales alone and minus Scotland

OldKingCole said:

Bye Folks. Wife has hospital out-patients appointment this afternoon. Nice afternoon for a drive, though!

Good luck OKC, not a good time to be going near hospitals.

malcolmg said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Scott_xP said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

Noted elsewhere, the debate is raging over which of them is telling lies, while the obvious truth would be that both of them are

I honestly think there are two options.
1. She goes now.
2. She stays as 'caretaker' to 'see Covid through' but promises to make way for a new leader at some predetermined point. I don't see an option 3 where she survives. But perhaps I'm totally wrong.

Given her evidence and that of her husband so far, she has been involved deeply and lied repeatedly. Salmond may have been a womaniser but as shown in court the stitch up was either fabricated or consensual. People may not like that but it means they don't like millions that are doing similar at work every day. Key point is she tried to have him jailed to stop him coming back into politics , failed miserably and then tried to cover up and lied to parliament etc.
She is a goner , no UN job in Geneva for her as Boris will welch for sure.

Do you really think it was all to stop him coming back in to politics?

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

If true that could destroy SNP chances of a Holyrood majority in May and that would add to pressure on Sturgeon to resign

All Yes voters will be SNP for sure , so a majority is almost guaranteed, only competition is for the losers seats.

Yes voters only get the SNP to 45%, less than the 46.5% they got in 2016.

These damaging allegations could see some No voters switch from SNP back to SLab and SCon

HYUFD said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/1347790879935885312

Disagree, Hawley is young, articulate, very intelligent, Standford and Yale degrees, taught at St Paul's, a former lawyer and now probably the most telegenic figurehead for the Trumpite GOP base once Trump leaves office

You omitted insurrectionist, confirmed anti-democrat, and fomenter of murderous mobs who is bleeding support, funding and credibility.
Glad you rate him so highly.
Better make sure he's squeaky clean for the "War on Terror 2" first.

HYUFD said:

Foss said:

HYUFD said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

If true that could destroy SNP chances of a Holyrood majority in May and that would add to pressure on Sturgeon to resign

That’d be good for Starmer and mixed for Johnson.

Yes, Starmer needs Scottish MPs to become PM.

Johnson cannot stay PM if the Union breaks up but he is most likely to win another majority in England and Wales alone and minus Scotland

Another 1 or 2 percent on Labour’s polling also helps to defang the far left’s claims that the centrist is failing to challenge the Tories and that he should be replaced.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I think PB is rather missing the point - what's happening in Scotland could have real implications for UK politics and betting. Is there a market for Sturgeon exit? The Wings Over Scotland site has Alex Salmond's full evidence and it is explosive to say the least. I don't see how Sturgeon stays.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/hiroshima-non-amour/

Link.

Ooof. That is quite punchy,

Either Sturgeon or Salmond will have to retire from politics: it is a duel a l'outrance.

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

A good piece but I am not sure that there is much more to say about this.

Sadly it'll rumble on for a long time, as actions are needed - David is right that the shambles cannot disguise he wanted, somehow, to overturn the election. Then theres post presidency legal action. He'll be with us forever

I think that he will be impeached and this time the Senate will convict. The result is that he will be banned from public office and that will take some of the heat out of this. Its a lot less likely that he will see jail time but he certainly deserves to.

Banning him from office should be the key objective.

Very good piece Mr Herdson. It's pretty obvious that Trump was intent on overturning the result of the election from the outset yet he still has his apologists desperately trying to blame somebody else. I really have nothing but contempt for his apologists.