Boris’s Christmas U-turn ain’t going to be good for his popularity – politicalbetting.com
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It's a no-brainer usage of the aid budget, which is why it won't happen.MaxPB said:Just looking through some national infection rate curves across the world, I'd guess that this new strain is now present in the UK, Germany, the US and the Netherlands in detectable quantities which means it will be in the rest of Europe too by now.
Whatever vaccine plans Europe has got need to be doubled and then doubled agan. An R increase of 0.4 within current measures is just going to hammer the economy everywhere.
Honestly I can't see how the rest of the world copes with this, we're relatively well placed with our vaccine portfolio and deliveries. It's on us to get it out there. Lots of the rest of the world doesn't even have enough to cover their population or delivery in 2021, many will be waiting until 2022.
I'll recant on my original position of cancelling the aid budget and say the whole thing should be redirected to procuring and rolling the vaccine out across the world. We can't let this hide anywhere, mutate and then come back.0 -
People packing their bags and fleeing like this ain't gonna help, but I suspect that the new variant will get everywhere before very long, anyway. Actually, it probably is everywhere already - just not in so large a number. Locking down is about slowing the progress of this thing, it won't completely suppress it.not_on_fire said:https://twitter.com/harrietclugston/status/1340383304143540227?s=21
The rest of the country will be screwed shortly
Anyway, we fall just into Hertfordshire (the South Cambs border is less than a mile up the road) so we're going to be incarcerated until at least Easter. I'm not sure that many of the local businesses are going to survive that long, but my opinion on this is well documented by now: I just want to get myself and my clinically extremely vulnerable other half through this in one piece, so I'm glad that this has happened, even though the whole Winter is now going to be one long, tense, anxious, depressing and very, very boring slog.
Now we just need the Government to relent on its stubbornness over the schools and shut them down as well.0 -
I can remember when the Firth of Forth was equal opportunities pollution. Must have done wonders for my growing immune system.SandyRentool said:
The only time I've been to Blyth beach it was littered with washed up feminine hygiene products. Nice.dixiedean said:
A barbie on the beach at Blyth would be interesting.Scott_xP said:Everybody needs to calm down.
BoZo did not in fact cancel Christmas.
He just announced we will be having it Australian style...
The NHS would be overwhelmed with hypothermia.0 -
I realised on reading this that I haven't heard a single Christmas pop song this year. I consider this as something of a blessing as I'm usually fed up with them the day they start being played, but I do love some of the carols. I've had King's College Cambridge carols from youtube on since. Definitely feeling a little more festive 🎅Casino_Royale said:I might be taking advantage of the option for private prayer in the next few days, for the first time in a long time.
There might be many on this site who'll mock me for this - but I feel rather empty about missing out on carols and a Christmas service.
It really moves me this time of year.1 -
NickPalmer said:
You should definitely do whatever helps you. There's nothing for anyone to mock about that. We're all finding our individual solutions.Casino_Royale said:I might be taking advantage of the option for private prayer in the next few days, for the first time in a long time.
There might be many on this site who'll mock me for this - but I feel rather empty about missing out on carols and a Christmas service.
It really moves me this time of year.
I think that is lovely and many will be doing the sameNickPalmer said:
You should definitely do whatever helps you. There's nothing for anyone to mock about that. We're all finding our individual solutions.Casino_Royale said:I might be taking advantage of the option for private prayer in the next few days, for the first time in a long time.
There might be many on this site who'll mock me for this - but I feel rather empty about missing out on carols and a Christmas service.
It really moves me this time of year.0 -
..which stupidity would promptly help tarnish Britain's international image again.Scott_xP said:0 -
I don't think they are being used. Certainly not in England.Mexicanpete said:What happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? The one in the Principality Stadium has been torn down.
They would make a useful overflow facility for recovering Covid patients, we will need this in London in January.0 -
All breaking the rules. Dickheads.Scott_xP said:0 -
I think Starmer (and Green) is missing an opportunity here; I'm disappointed that he hasn't gone for an all out attack on Williamson, Gibbs and the government on a range of education issues. The threatened legal action against Greenwich and Islington (and the hypocrisy of Eton closing a week early); the chaotic approach generally to infections in schools; this testing business; the impending exams fiasco mark 2 come May; and many others that you could relate.ydoethur said:
So that extra item they ordered us to take to prepare for it is, ummm, for what exactly?Scott_xP said:
Honestly, we’ve had four different policies in three days. My head is spinning.
If he's worried about being associated with 'militant' unions, he can avoid this by using headteachers as cover: "this is what headteachers are telling me......". I think Labour is missing some open goals. A pity.
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Perhaps my wording was clumsy. I'm not suggesting many of these businesses failed or might fail because they were badly run (some undoubtedly were). The fact is, however, unless we try to save them all (both the well run and the poorly run), some will go under. That's tragic, no question but the nature of the beast is even well-run organisations fail if a key part of their business model changes.WhisperingOracle said:
But the same argument as last spring holds ; many of these businesses haven't even failed on capitalism's own terms, but because of government action, however unavoidable that may be. That means that if even one accepts this market ideologist approach in principle, which I personally don't at all, one has to admit that many, if not all, these businesses have not failed its own test without external factors.
That's not to denigrate the impact of Covid but simply to point out businesses fail all the time, new ones are set up, new entrepreneurs come through and replace those who couldn't make it. It's brutal.
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Perhaps we would have been better off tearing down Mark Drakeford rather than the Nightingale Hospitals!londonpubman said:
I don't think they are being used. Certainly not in England.Mexicanpete said:What happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? The one in the Principality Stadium has been torn down.
They would make a useful overflow facility for recovering Covid patients, we will need this in London in January.1 -
Were they all dismantled? I had only read about the one in the stadium that was taken down.Mexicanpete said:
Perhaps we would have been better off tearing down Mark Drakeford rather than the Nightingale Hospitals!londonpubman said:
I don't think they are being used. Certainly not in England.Mexicanpete said:What happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? The one in the Principality Stadium has been torn down.
They would make a useful overflow facility for recovering Covid patients, we will need this in London in January.0 -
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We are already spending a massive amount of the aid budget on exactly thatMaxPB said:Just looking through some national infection rate curves across the world, I'd guess that this new strain is now present in the UK, Germany, the US and the Netherlands in detectable quantities which means it will be in the rest of Europe too by now.
Whatever vaccine plans Europe has got need to be doubled and then doubled agan. An R increase of 0.4 within current measures is just going to hammer the economy everywhere.
Honestly I can't see how the rest of the world copes with this, we're relatively well placed with our vaccine portfolio and deliveries. It's on us to get it out there. Lots of the rest of the world doesn't even have enough to cover their population or delivery in 2021, many will be waiting until 2022.
I'll recant on my original position of cancelling the aid budget and say the whole thing should be redirected to procuring and rolling the vaccine out across the world. We can't let this hide anywhere, mutate and then come back.0 -
Personally I think that's fairly neutral, used by both his supporters and detractors. So not being used as an alternative to thinking.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What about calling him "Boris" as opposed to Johnson?JohnLilburne said:
I have decided that anyone trotting out the "clown" meme is wrong, as they are obviously doing that as an alternative to thinking. The same goes for "Bozo".CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1340399474032689156
Pants truly down. What a clown.0 -
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It's evident a lot of his supporters don't do much thinking, see some of them here for examples.JohnLilburne said:
Personally I think that's fairly neutral, used by both his supporters and detractors. So not being used as an alternative to thinking.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What about calling him "Boris" as opposed to Johnson?JohnLilburne said:
I have decided that anyone trotting out the "clown" meme is wrong, as they are obviously doing that as an alternative to thinking. The same goes for "Bozo".CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1340399474032689156
Pants truly down. What a clown.
I'll call him Boris when people call Starmer, Keir.1 -
I agree the Nightingale hospital will always add more value than Drakeford.Mexicanpete said:
Perhaps we would have been better off tearing down Mark Drakeford rather than the Nightingale Hospitals!londonpubman said:
I don't think they are being used. Certainly not in England.Mexicanpete said:What happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? The one in the Principality Stadium has been torn down.
They would make a useful overflow facility for recovering Covid patients, we will need this in London in January.1 -
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I think moron is a fairly fair representation of me!tlg86 said:
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Well that was on Thursday.Scott_xP said:Did he just make it up?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/13404043895095255170 -
I'll call him Kier, you can call him BirosCorrectHorseBattery said:
It's evident a lot of his supporters don't do much thinking, see some of them here for examples.JohnLilburne said:
Personally I think that's fairly neutral, used by both his supporters and detractors. So not being used as an alternative to thinking.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What about calling him "Boris" as opposed to Johnson?JohnLilburne said:
I have decided that anyone trotting out the "clown" meme is wrong, as they are obviously doing that as an alternative to thinking. The same goes for "Bozo".CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1340399474032689156
Pants truly down. What a clown.
I'll call him Boris when people call Starmer, Keir.3 -
I would have thought you'd be a stickler for spelling, with all the times you've called me out. Must be a slow day for you today.TrèsDifficile said:
I'll call him Kier, you can call him BirosCorrectHorseBattery said:
It's evident a lot of his supporters don't do much thinking, see some of them here for examples.JohnLilburne said:
Personally I think that's fairly neutral, used by both his supporters and detractors. So not being used as an alternative to thinking.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What about calling him "Boris" as opposed to Johnson?JohnLilburne said:
I have decided that anyone trotting out the "clown" meme is wrong, as they are obviously doing that as an alternative to thinking. The same goes for "Bozo".CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1340399474032689156
Pants truly down. What a clown.
I'll call him Boris when people call Starmer, Keir.0 -
Scoop and run is on again it seems. Looks like Fox jr 2 was ahead of the game yesterday...Scott_xP said:0 -
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The knighthood muddies the waters, since it's often Sir [first name].TrèsDifficile said:
I'll call him Kier, you can call him BirosCorrectHorseBattery said:
It's evident a lot of his supporters don't do much thinking, see some of them here for examples.JohnLilburne said:
Personally I think that's fairly neutral, used by both his supporters and detractors. So not being used as an alternative to thinking.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What about calling him "Boris" as opposed to Johnson?JohnLilburne said:
I have decided that anyone trotting out the "clown" meme is wrong, as they are obviously doing that as an alternative to thinking. The same goes for "Bozo".CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1340399474032689156
Pants truly down. What a clown.
I'll call him Boris when people call Starmer, Keir.1 -
It certainly is what headteachers are saying:Northern_Al said:
I think Starmer (and Green) is missing an opportunity here; I'm disappointed that he hasn't gone for an all out attack on Williamson, Gibbs and the government on a range of education issues. The threatened legal action against Greenwich and Islington (and the hypocrisy of Eton closing a week early); the chaotic approach generally to infections in schools; this testing business; the impending exams fiasco mark 2 come May; and many others that you could relate.ydoethur said:
So that extra item they ordered us to take to prepare for it is, ummm, for what exactly?Scott_xP said:
Honestly, we’ve had four different policies in three days. My head is spinning.
If he's worried about being associated with 'militant' unions, he can avoid this by using headteachers as cover: "this is what headteachers are telling me......". I think Labour is missing some open goals. A pity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55354564
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Why would the health secretary resign for doing something beneficial to the health of the nation?CorrectHorseBattery said:3 -
His real name describes him aptly.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's evident a lot of his supporters don't do much thinking, see some of them here for examples.JohnLilburne said:
Personally I think that's fairly neutral, used by both his supporters and detractors. So not being used as an alternative to thinking.CorrectHorseBattery said:
What about calling him "Boris" as opposed to Johnson?JohnLilburne said:
I have decided that anyone trotting out the "clown" meme is wrong, as they are obviously doing that as an alternative to thinking. The same goes for "Bozo".CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1340399474032689156
Pants truly down. What a clown.
I'll call him Boris when people call Starmer, Keir.
He is, undoubtedly, A Johnson.1 -
Indeed yes. Everyone knows it was a helicopter, not a train.tlg86 said:0 -
Smart move exporting the mutant Covid to EU before they impose tariffs.0
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55376195
Meanwhile, just about the only part of England in Tier 1 (for the next five minutes, anyway) is disappearing underwater.
2020 just keeps on giving - and there are still twelve days to go. What do we think's coming before January 1st 2021 folks? An asteroid strike, an alien invasion or a nuclear holocaust?0 -
Why?Carnyx said:
MY instant reaction was to think of the naval part of the Pacific War in 1945.Theuniondivvie said:
Just imagining a lockdown busting dinner party involving him, Tobes, Galloway, Van Morrison and Lozza Fox, and losing the will to live.Alistair said:Neil Oliver continues to delight
https://twitter.com/robertflorence/status/1340391504574083075?s=19
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Apparently Denmark already has it.SandyRentool said:Smart move exporting the mutant Covid to EU before they impose tariffs.
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I never understand the 'Christmas is cancelled' claims.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
I wonder if such terminology is used in other countries.3 -
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Most of the public don't care.Scott_xP said:
They will come mid January.
If No Deal f*cks up vaccine delivery the Tories will lose in 2024 and not see power again for a generation.1 -
When my wifes hospital was being swamped with covid patients they were told they could use the nearest nightingale hospital. But it is 30 miles away and they'd have to provide the staff. When they were almost 1000 down due to covid. Never a practical option.londonpubman said:
I don't think they are being used. Certainly not in England.Mexicanpete said:What happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? The one in the Principality Stadium has been torn down.
They would make a useful overflow facility for recovering Covid patients, we will need this in London in January.1 -
Perhaps the PB Caledonians can comment on Christmas now being officially viewed as more important than New Year in Scotland.1
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Seems to me that a perfect storm of absolute shit is barrelling towards us for January.
So glad we have the excellent team of ministers we have in No 10.
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Afghanistan doesn't want to fish in our waters, or sell us half a trillion dollars worth of stuff.Scott_xP said:0 -
To be pedantic, there were further evacuations in 1940 and 1944.HYUFD said:0 -
Don't forget the Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn on Monday hasn't apparently taken place since 1623...the long-term outlook after it is claimed by enthusiasts to be better, though, after a period of 'adjustment'.Black_Rook said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55376195
Meanwhile, just about the only part of England in Tier 1 (for the next five minutes, anyway) is disappearing underwater.
2020 just keeps on giving - and there are still twelve days to go. What do we think's coming before January 1st 2021 folks? An asteroid strike, an alien invasion or a nuclear holocaust?1 -
For No Deal to mess up vaccine delivery it would have to be a lot more than just port issues. As has already been pointed out it only takes a couple of planes a week to deliver the vaccine necessary for the campaign and both the British and Belgian governments have already said they have contingency plans in place using their combined military assets if necessary.rottenborough said:
Most of the public don't care.Scott_xP said:
They will come mid January.
If No Deal f*cks up vaccine delivery the Tories will lose in 2024 and not see power again for a generation.1 -
As of tonight Boris risks annoying the Tory right with the new Christmas lockdown and the Tory anti No Deal left by continuing not to commit to a deal with the EU, it is certainly a brave strategy from the PMCorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Well, on one level it's evidently hyperbole and the newspapers printing cheap headlines. On another it's understandable. I'm 44 years old now and this will be the first Christmas I've not spent with my Dad, who lives about ten miles down the road. Though, granted, we'd already given up on it. He lives on his own but fortunately has a friend who lives locally who's also on their tod and they therefore form one of these support bubble things, so at least he won't be by himself. Many others won't be so fortunate.another_richard said:
I never understand the 'Christmas is cancelled' claims.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
I wonder if such terminology is used in other countries.
It's going to be an unhappy time for a great many people, though not nearly so bad as the dark, dreadful months that stretch out on the other side of it.0 -
My Remainer credentials are impeccable but that is an old photo. How I know? Most trees in Kent are deciduous. There’s an awful lot of foliage in that picture. And the fields are newly harvested.Scott_xP said:4 -
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.0 -
Food distribution is all messed up because travel plans are cancelled. I ordered a turkey for people who now can't come, but they haven't ordered food.another_richard said:Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
Also
https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1340407183998148608
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Last Train to Busan, calling at..Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
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I thought leeds trains left from kings Cross not st pancras.Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
Edit. Not the first to think this.0 -
That's apparently a resigning matter in the view of these simpletons.RobD said:
Why would the health secretary resign for doing something beneficial to the health of the nation?CorrectHorseBattery said:1 -
When all these fuckwits get off the train at Sheffield South Yorkshire Police should tell them to get straight back on the next southbound service back to London.
Even without Tier 4 they are all breaking the current rules.2 -
https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/london-st-pancras-international-to-leedsanother_richard said:
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.0 -
That period of adjustment lasted until 1746.WhisperingOracle said:
Don't forget the Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn on Monday hasn't apparently taken place since 1623...the long-term outlook after it is claimed by enthusiasts to be better, though, after a period of 'adjustment'.Black_Rook said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55376195
Meanwhile, just about the only part of England in Tier 1 (for the next five minutes, anyway) is disappearing underwater.
2020 just keeps on giving - and there are still twelve days to go. What do we think's coming before January 1st 2021 folks? An asteroid strike, an alien invasion or a nuclear holocaust?1 -
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb2 -
Johnson isn't brave and nor is this a strategy. He's like a very drunk man stumbling blindly down an uneven pavement, tripping over every crooked slab in his clueless, directionless path.HYUFD said:
As of tonight Boris risks annoying the Tory right with the new Christmas lockdown and the Tory anti No Deal left by continuing not to commit to a deal with the EU, it is certainly a brave strategy from the PMCorrectHorseBattery said:1 -
If Sturgeon thinks she can keep the new variant out of Scotland just by 'closing the border' she is living in her usual fantasy land.
It will be throughout Europe by end Dec.
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I was just pointing out, you're not exactly impartial are you? There's nothing wrong with that, I just think you talking about how Labour will never win again is like me saying the Tories are crap. It's obvious and not surprising.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb
Still, I will read the article and digest it, when it comes. I'm not sure you have much interest in seeing Labour win though, I will leave it at that
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Well you learn something every day.Scott_xP said:
Food distribution is all messed up because travel plans are cancelled. I ordered a turkey for people who now can't come, but they haven't ordered food.another_richard said:Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
Also
https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1340407183998148608
So yes, Christmas is indeed completely screwed for many, many people
You have to order food for Christmas we're told.
Or perhaps you can go to the supermarket.
The term 'first world problems' comes to mind.1 -
Has he annoyed you?HYUFD said:
As of tonight Boris risks annoying the Tory right with the new Christmas lockdown and the Tory anti No Deal left by continuing not to commit to a deal with the EU, it is certainly a brave strategy from the PMCorrectHorseBattery said:1 -
And may very well win the next one, which (along with the fact that the Tories are still getting more than 10% in the opinion polls at present) is testament to the truly hopeless state of the Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb0 -
Some people do, yes. Some people can't just "go to the supermarket"another_richard said:Well you learn something every day.
You have to order food for Christmas we're told.
So, maybe you have learned something0 -
King's College Cambridge is divine.TrèsDifficile said:
I realised on reading this that I haven't heard a single Christmas pop song this year. I consider this as something of a blessing as I'm usually fed up with them the day they start being played, but I do love some of the carols. I've had King's College Cambridge carols from youtube on since. Definitely feeling a little more festive 🎅Casino_Royale said:I might be taking advantage of the option for private prayer in the next few days, for the first time in a long time.
There might be many on this site who'll mock me for this - but I feel rather empty about missing out on carols and a Christmas service.
It really moves me this time of year.
I usually go to Winchester Cathedral around about this time of year. That is sublime.0 -
The majority do but there are non-stop trains from St Pancrasanother_richard said:
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.
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And you may well be right - I'm not making election predictions until much closer to the time, as I do know everyone here likes to laugh at my previous ones - but Labour is undoubtedly in a better position than a year ago. And that's better than nothing.Black_Rook said:
And may very well win the next one, which (along with the fact that the Tories are still getting more than 10% in the opinion polls at present) is testament to the truly hopeless state of the Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb0 -
Wait and see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was just pointing out, you're not exactly impartial are you? There's nothing wrong with that, I just think you talking about how Labour will never win again is like me saying the Tories are crap. It's obvious and not surprising.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb
Still, I will read the article and digest it, when it comes. I'm not sure you have much interest in seeing Labour win though, I will leave it at that1 -
No I think most of them are still there. The one in Birmingham was put on notice a few weeks ago to prepare for patients and the others are all still available. I believe there was some talk of using the one at Excel in London for 'normal' non Covid patients over the summer but not sure if that ever happened.RobD said:
Were they all dismantled? I had only read about the one in the stadium that was taken down.Mexicanpete said:
Perhaps we would have been better off tearing down Mark Drakeford rather than the Nightingale Hospitals!londonpubman said:
I don't think they are being used. Certainly not in England.Mexicanpete said:What happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? The one in the Principality Stadium has been torn down.
They would make a useful overflow facility for recovering Covid patients, we will need this in London in January.
Edit: https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/09/are-the-nightingale-hospitals-being-used-how-many-built-13395246/0 -
Yes they do, but HSTs used on the Midland Main Line get serviced at Neville Hill depot so some run through to Leeds to get back home.another_richard said:
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.0 -
Well I will be sure to read it when it comes but I will take it with a pinch of salt. As I am sure you do me.Casino_Royale said:
Wait and see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was just pointing out, you're not exactly impartial are you? There's nothing wrong with that, I just think you talking about how Labour will never win again is like me saying the Tories are crap. It's obvious and not surprising.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb
Still, I will read the article and digest it, when it comes. I'm not sure you have much interest in seeing Labour win though, I will leave it at that0 -
I am going to drive and pick them up from outside the front door.Scott_xP said:
Food distribution is all messed up because travel plans are cancelled. I ordered a turkey for people who now can't come, but they haven't ordered food.another_richard said:Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
Also
https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1340407183998148608
So yes, Christmas is indeed completely screwed for many, many people
I see no problem in doing this since it's exactly what parcel companies do in reverse - even in Tier 4.2 -
Good response.Scott_xP said:
Food distribution is all messed up because travel plans are cancelled. I ordered a turkey for people who now can't come, but they haven't ordered food.another_richard said:Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
Also
https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1340407183998148608
So yes, Christmas is indeed completely screwed for many, many people
https://twitter.com/hackneycharlie/status/1340410419232518149?s=194 -
Are there not restrictions on how many are allowed on each train ?Andy_JS said:0 -
I like Do They Know It's Christmas, might be my favourite Christmas song (the 1984 version)0
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Oh, apparently Trump has been discussing marital law with Flynn in the oval office0
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All the trains listed there include a change at, er, King’s Cross.TrèsDifficile said:
https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/london-st-pancras-international-to-leedsanother_richard said:
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.
I think probably she didn’t know what station she was on.0 -
There is an 8 o'clock train from St Pancras to Leeds. See my post above.ydoethur said:
All the trains listed there include a change at, er, King’s Cross.TrèsDifficile said:
https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/london-st-pancras-international-to-leedsanother_richard said:
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.
I think probably she didn’t know what station she was on.0 -
I know I'm seen as a Labour fanboy but I do undeniably the Coalition would have handled this competently, I don't doubt Cameron would have done a good job.
I will resign my Labour membership immediately!0 -
That Great Conjunction again, what with the Brexit deadline..Alistair said:Oh, apparently Trump has been discussing marital law with Flynn in the oval office
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You shouldn't. It's in no-one's interests for the UK to be a one party state.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well I will be sure to read it when it comes but I will take it with a pinch of salt. As I am sure you do me.Casino_Royale said:
Wait and see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was just pointing out, you're not exactly impartial are you? There's nothing wrong with that, I just think you talking about how Labour will never win again is like me saying the Tories are crap. It's obvious and not surprising.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb
Still, I will read the article and digest it, when it comes. I'm not sure you have much interest in seeing Labour win though, I will leave it at that1 -
Direct but not 'non-stop'.CorrectHorseBattery said:
And you may well be right - I'm not making election predictions until much closer to the time, as I do know everyone here likes to laugh at my previous ones - but Labour is undoubtedly in a better position than a year ago. And that's better than nothing.Black_Rook said:
And may very well win the next one, which (along with the fact that the Tories are still getting more than 10% in the opinion polls at present) is testament to the truly hopeless state of the Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb0 -
Absolutely. Don't see anything unreasonable with that.Casino_Royale said:
I am going to drive and pick them up from outside the front door.Scott_xP said:
Food distribution is all messed up because travel plans are cancelled. I ordered a turkey for people who now can't come, but they haven't ordered food.another_richard said:Will the 16m people not be on holiday, not be eating and drinking excessively, not be watching special TV programs, not be giving and getting presents.
Also
https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1340407183998148608
So yes, Christmas is indeed completely screwed for many, many people
I see no problem in doing this since it's exactly what parcel companies do in reverse - even in Tier 4.0 -
I take anything with a pinch of salt when it's a political opponent who is a member (?) of another party, or at least actively supports it. I don't doubt you have useful things to say.Casino_Royale said:
You shouldn't. It's in no-one's interests for the UK to be a one party state.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well I will be sure to read it when it comes but I will take it with a pinch of salt. As I am sure you do me.Casino_Royale said:
Wait and see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was just pointing out, you're not exactly impartial are you? There's nothing wrong with that, I just think you talking about how Labour will never win again is like me saying the Tories are crap. It's obvious and not surprising.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb
Still, I will read the article and digest it, when it comes. I'm not sure you have much interest in seeing Labour win though, I will leave it at that
I am sure you take things I write with a pinch of salt, it's only natural.0 -
Last time that happened, the fifth was a Labour landslide...Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb0 -
That's gone over my head I'm afraidSandyRentool said:
Direct but not 'non-stop'.CorrectHorseBattery said:
And you may well be right - I'm not making election predictions until much closer to the time, as I do know everyone here likes to laugh at my previous ones - but Labour is undoubtedly in a better position than a year ago. And that's better than nothing.Black_Rook said:
And may very well win the next one, which (along with the fact that the Tories are still getting more than 10% in the opinion polls at present) is testament to the truly hopeless state of the Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Here's the problem: we've won the last four elections.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Likely adds as much value as me writing an article about while the Tories will never win again!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be writing an article on the dire predicament Labour is in within the next few weeks.Mexicanpete said:
That way Starmer kills the Union, so he can't do that. Johnson (or Steve Baker) remains (minority) PM.HYUFD said:
Whatever the nature of the boundary changes Starmer would almost certainly become PM but only thanks to SNP confidence and supplyMexicanpete said:
Is the second set of figures from the 600 seat parliament? I thought Johnson had shelved that idea.HYUFD said:
Without boundary changes EC gives Tories 302, Labour 261, SNP 58, LDs 6 so Starmer PM with SNP support.Mexicanpete said:HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
With boundary changes doesn't that almost get Conservatives over the line?HYUFD said:Opinium has the Tories and Labour tied
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1340386419294924800?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
With boundary changes it is Tories 287, Labour 235, SNP 53, LDs 5.
So Starmer still PM with SNP and LD support
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=39&LAB=39&LIB=6&Brexit=4&Green=4&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nb0 -
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So there is. Now just approaching Chesterfield.Alistair said:
There is an 8 o'clock train from St Pancras to Leeds. See my post above.ydoethur said:
All the trains listed there include a change at, er, King’s Cross.TrèsDifficile said:
https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/london-st-pancras-international-to-leedsanother_richard said:
Clearly I'm out of date on such matters but don't trains from London to Leeds depart from Kings Cross ?Pulpstar said:Covid Express departing for Leeds !
https://twitter.com/HarrietClugston/status/1340383304143540227
They certainly did a few years ago.
I think probably she didn’t know what station she was on.0
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