My mother, a fervent Boris supporter has decided he is a complete a*se. She will not be affected by his "U-turn" but she thinks it is indefensible given it was only a few days ago that he was telling everyone that Xmas could happen.
Meanwhile, my sister-in-law is fleeing Tier 4. She had been isolating all week so she could spend time with her mum, so she has jumped in her car and gone. It looks like she will be staying with her mum for some time...
Well I came back to PB this evening hoping that no poster would be crass enough to call this a "U-turn" only to find it in the header.
For fuck's sake.
--AS
U-turns happen and are often a good thing, but as a label it is used as a sign of weakness and thus makes people defensive and resistant to do it in the first place change position and in the second do so again. So it is not a useful term, but I'm not sure how to delineate when it would usefully and not usefully be utilised.
I think a scenario where someone is presented with some evidence and makes a decision, and then goes on to change their mind without any new evidence could be described as a U-turn. Not sure that is the case here.
Problem is you can easily refer to any change in position as a u-turn, it's just about whether it is justified by a change, preferably a change you could not account for in the first place.
Both get treated the same depending on the complainer. How many people will say something like 'Boris said X, now we're doing Y' and leave it at that, as though nothign could justify going Y?
Changing that reaction is probably as futile as not labelling a crisis as Something-Gate.
The question for Boris is whether or not he gets the credit
We should see in the next few polls
I don't see how he would not take at least some hit, particularly as his numbered had rebounded somewhat in recent months I believe.
The Covid skeptics will dislike it, the parliamentarian-first element won't like it, many of those who support it will think he should have done it sooner, or that its such an obvious call he doesn't deserve additional recognition for doing it, and on top of that he'll soon take a hit from No dealers or deal backers.
The question for Boris is whether or not he gets the credit
We should see in the next few polls
I don't see how he would not take at least some hit, particularly as his numbered had rebounded somewhat in recent months I believe.
The Covid skeptics will dislike it, the parliamentarian-first element won't like it, many of those who support it will think he should have done it sooner, or that its such an obvious call he doesn't deserve additional recognition for doing it, and on top of that he'll soon take a hit from No dealers or deal backers.
That is why I posed the question as I have no idea
Fwiw I'm part of the 78%. It's no small matter in the PtP household. I was due to collect meat from superb local butcher in Winchcombe on Xmas Eve, drive down to London, cook for ten and be duly feted afterwards for my culinary prowess. Now it's just the two of us and the dog.
I could have done a late nite drive and back boxing day if I'd been so minded. Chances of getting away with it would have been high, especially as I know the back routes through the Cotswolds and Chilterns but it's just wrong and I ain't doing it.
Not a difficult decision. And no I don't hate Boris for it; for other things maybe but for 'spoiling Xmas'? Do me a favor.
Fwiw I'm part of the 78%. It's no small matter in the PtP household. I was due to collect meat from superb local butcher in Winchcombe on Xmas Eve, drive down to London, cook for ten and be duly feted afterwards for my culinary prowess. Now it's just the two of us and the dog.
I could have done a late nite drive and back boxing day if I'd been so minded. Chances of getting away with it would have been high, especially as I know the back routes through the Cotswolds and Chilterns but it's just wrong and I ain't doing it.
Not a difficult decision. And no I don't hate Boris for it; for other things maybe but for 'spoiling Xmas'? Do me a favor.
Boris'll get the canine vote then - sausages for 10!
My Remainer credentials are impeccable but that is an old photo. How I know? Most trees in Kent are deciduous. There’s an awful lot of foliage in that picture. And the fields are newly harvested.
Dark green, so not spring foliage, but no sign of any leaves turning. June-July.
My Remainer credentials are impeccable but that is an old photo. How I know? Most trees in Kent are deciduous. There’s an awful lot of foliage in that picture. And the fields are newly harvested.
Dark green, so not spring foliage, but no sign of any leaves turning. June-July.
Even with the new strain, most of the variability in R comes from peoples' behaviour. We Brits may be proud of our bloody-mindedness but it will be the death of many of us. The approved vaccines are just-not-in-time. The cussing at the PM's supposed volt-face is childish and dangerous. We should try to do as we have been told. We're all in it together, for better or worse.
Surely Parliament can meet anywhere. It doesn't have to be in Tier 4.
They can meet at @MaxPB's parents' house - everyone else is.
Well if anyone is passing through Winchcombe just after Christmas they're welcome to stop by for a bit of turkey. We will have plenty spare.
You and everyone else who did their Christmas food shopping today. The last Saturday before Christmas, at half past four, is too late. If tier 4 had been announced yesterday, Friday, that would have been bad enough but Boris had to dither that crucial 24 hours.
With regard to Boris's political future, it makes no sense for him to leave now. He is (sadly) a 'bad bank', and he has plenty more covid bile to accrue before he departs the scene and gives his successor a clean slate. On the more positive side for him, there's always the chance of political redemption as the situation grows more positive - either option works.
Or maybe just maybe it's due to tens of thousands of people shopping in crowds in Oxford Street etc?
But the Mayor of London may find other people easier to blame.
OK, say we give you Khan's head for London. Who's fault is most of Surrey and mist of the Home Counties?
I didn't blame Khan.
I said that maybe Londoners who joined Christmas shopping crowds during a pandemic were to blame. Many people were sharing images of the crowds in London going shopping.
More people have probably caught COVID shopping for Christmas than will on Christmas itself.
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Meanwhile, my sister-in-law is fleeing Tier 4. She had been isolating all week so she could spend time with her mum, so she has jumped in her car and gone. It looks like she will be staying with her mum for some time...
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1340430564848001030?s=20
Both get treated the same depending on the complainer. How many people will say something like 'Boris said X, now we're doing Y' and leave it at that, as though nothign could justify going Y?
Changing that reaction is probably as futile as not labelling a crisis as Something-Gate.
We should see in the next few polls
The Covid skeptics will dislike it, the parliamentarian-first element won't like it, many of those who support it will think he should have done it sooner, or that its such an obvious call he doesn't deserve additional recognition for doing it, and on top of that he'll soon take a hit from No dealers or deal backers.
I could have done a late nite drive and back boxing day if I'd been so minded. Chances of getting away with it would have been high, especially as I know the back routes through the Cotswolds and Chilterns but it's just wrong and I ain't doing it.
Not a difficult decision. And no I don't hate Boris for it; for other things maybe but for 'spoiling Xmas'? Do me a favor.
No. Not even in the top 10.
Covid is bad. Covid + Boris is worse.
Someone should ask him if he is giving Covid his full attention and then follow up asking him how the Brexit negotiations are going.
Covered in mud and with a new Santa hat.
No fun being almost 17.
The cussing at the PM's supposed volt-face is childish and dangerous. We should try to do as we have been told. We're all in it together, for better or worse.
I said that maybe Londoners who joined Christmas shopping crowds during a pandemic were to blame. Many people were sharing images of the crowds in London going shopping.
More people have probably caught COVID shopping for Christmas than will on Christmas itself.