No Platform For Mad Men. Lockdown Sceptics Are Getting Far Too Much Airtime – politicalbetting.com
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Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.0 -
Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
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Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.3 -
So does everyone ignore him after 20th Jan, and pretend he never happened, or do they keep him in the news every day for he next four years? I’m betting on the latter.rcs1000 said:
Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.0 -
On topic: the UK political media are a bunch of utter morons, and have totally disgraced themselves over the last year.
They simply don’t understand their role in a pandemic, far too many people are paid to have an opinion, without any thought as to whether widespread broadcasting of those opinions has a negative impact on the spread of the pandemic.
They obsess about banal trivialities rather than asking sensible questions, are are way more concerned with tripping up politicians than eliciting information that can save lives.5 -
Definitely the latter. Criminal trials are always newsworthy.Sandpit said:
So does everyone ignore him after 20th Jan, and pretend he never happened, or do they keep him in the news every day for he next four years? I’m betting on the latter.rcs1000 said:
Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.3 -
Sort-of on topic, it's worth recalling that Private Eye for years promoted the MMR hoax of disgraced AntiVaxxer Andrew Wakefield. Their conspiracy laden drivel helped pedal his nonsense for a lot longer than might have been the case.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2010/feb/05/private-eye-magazines
Meanwhile Wakefield, who is another loony narcissist, is making hay while the sun still shines in the US. He's gained traction with just the sort of Trumpites who lap up this stuff. Oh and Elle Macpherson, obvs.0 -
the whole question of media regulation needs to be looked at again, with the aim of establishing a structure that promotes useful information and penalises misinformation. We’re not there yet, that’s for sure.
That’s likely to be a hard problem.
For a start, who gets to define information/misinformation ? And to what media would such rules apply; what might be the sanctions etc ?
And with such a structure in place, how do you prevent government from using it to abridge free speech ?4 -
As an example, the test, track and trace program we’ve had, though well intentioned, has been enormously expensive and ineffective.
That’s obvious now - would you have been able to say so back in the summer under Alastair’s proposed regime ?1 -
I still can’t decide whether he’s likely to just fade away, or if the US descends into serious civil unrest. The former seems far more likely, but not inevitable.rcs1000 said:
Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.0 -
And will these rules apply to politicians ?Nigelb said:the whole question of media regulation needs to be looked at again, with the aim of establishing a structure that promotes useful information and penalises misinformation. We’re not there yet, that’s for sure.
That’s likely to be a hard problem.
For a start, who gets to define information/misinformation ? And to what media would such rules apply; what might be the sanctions etc ?
And with such a structure in place, how do you prevent government from using it to abridge free speech ?0 -
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.0 -
I agree the former (in respect of political sway, anyhow). Americans will be surprisingly quick to drop him once he’s lost, and move on to the new fresh thing (worrying about what that might be is more pertinent). Indeed Trump’s antics can be seen as his knowing he’ll be dropped once he is seen as a loser, and his trying to keep the dream alive as long as he possibly can.Nigelb said:
I still can’t decide whether he’s likely to just fade away, or if the US descends into serious civil unrest. The former seems far more likely, but not inevitable.rcs1000 said:
Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.0 -
So the Cabinet are four square behind no deal (if Johnson judges it has to happen) because “the economic effect of COVID is really bad anyway”. As if somehow negative economic effects can’t compound each other. And as if it won’t hit really hard the sort of industries that are to a large extent shielded from (even in some cases benefitting from) COVID.
What a disastrous state this country is in, when virtually no decision is taken in the national interest, only a narrow (often completely ignorant) partisan calculation. And where all that matters is not the actual real world outcomes but “who can be given the blame”. (And you would have thought they might have learnt their lesson about blaming everything on “the intransigent French” after the Iraq war...)2 -
The problem for the GOP is if they win the runoffs, Trump will claim the creditIanB2 said:I agree the former (in respect of political sway, anyhow). Americans will be surprisingly quick to drop him once he’s lost, and move on to the new fresh thing (worrying about what that might be is more pertinent). Indeed Trump’s antics can be seen as his knowing he’ll be dropped once he is seen as a loser, and his trying to keep the dream alive as long as he possibly can.
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Of course, ZEV are only zero emissions if they are charged using renewable sources of power.MattW said:
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.0 -
So...Sandpit said:
So does everyone ignore him after 20th Jan, and pretend he never happened, or do they keep him in the news every day for he next four years? I’m betting on the latter.rcs1000 said:
Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.
I foolishly tried to engage some MAGAites on Twitter.
The issue was about postal votes and how she signatures didn't match, and there were all going to get thrown out, and therefore Trump would be handed the State by the courts.
First, I pointed out that - even if some votes were found to have been fraudulently cast - you couldn't know who they had been cast for.
Secondly, I pointed out that if 11% of postal votes were fraudulently cast, you didn't need "an audit", you just needed to speak to nine people who were supposed to have voted, so as to find the one who didn't.
And those people are publicly listed. It would literally take twenty minutes to find enough evidence of people who didn't actually vote.
I've deleted Twitter from my phone.
It's insane, and it's a testament to this site that - even when there are people one disagrees with - the arguments are normally civil and fact based.6 -
When all cars are electric surely it will be emitting close to zero tonnes of CO2.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-552028010 -
That's not true.ydoethur said:
Of course, ZEV are only zero emissions if they are charged using renewable sources of power.MattW said:
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.
Nuclear is not renewable, and is Zero Emission.
There are also times when it's more efficient for the grid to generate power than not.0 -
Can I do a HYUFD and count radiation as an emission?rcs1000 said:
That's not true.ydoethur said:
Of course, ZEV are only zero emissions if they are charged using renewable sources of power.MattW said:
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.
Nuclear is not renewable, and is Zero Emission.
There are also times when it's more efficient for the grid to generate power than not.1 -
Good morning, everyone.
F1: race looks intriguing all through the points position. May make tipping tricky. Time to find out...1 -
Given that Dover won't be as busy after Brexit, why do we need a Lower Thames Crossing. Whenever I use it, the weight of traffic seems to be either going West, eventually or coming from the West.RobD said:
When all cars are electric surely it will be emitting close to zero tonnes of CO2.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-552028010 -
If you build the road there will be traffic. Just look at major cities in the US.OldKingCole said:
Given that Dover won't be as busy after Brexit, why do we need a Lower Thames Crossing. Whenever I use it, the weight of traffic seems to be either going West, eventually or coming from the West.RobD said:
When all cars are electric surely it will be emitting close to zero tonnes of CO2.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
And are these projections for the use of Dover? I thought the waiting period might be longer, but a significant reduction in traffic?0 -
Sure you can...ydoethur said:
Can I do a HYUFD and count radiation as an emission?rcs1000 said:
That's not true.ydoethur said:
Of course, ZEV are only zero emissions if they are charged using renewable sources of power.MattW said:
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.
Nuclear is not renewable, and is Zero Emission.
There are also times when it's more efficient for the grid to generate power than not.
But only if you want me to point out that (over sufficiently long timespans) coal, gas and oil are renewable too.1 -
very surprised that the media portrays BJ as trying to unblock the BREXIT talks logjam....his track record on sealing a watertight deal with Europe can hardly be held up as credible. It'll be interesting to see how the blame game pans out....0
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The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.Scott_xP said:0 -
When you have a government whose core project is the result of misinformation and badmouthing experts I wouldn't hold your breath for this situation to improve. Personally I think there is a case for wartime style censorship in a situation as serious as a pandemic. Careless talk costs lives. Although perhaps that would be counterproductive these days, it might simply fuel the conspiracy theories.0
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It’s all over. The Govt weren’t sure if they could get away with “blaming the EU”. But now they can specifically blame the French they won’t give it a second thought.swing_voter said:very surprised that the media portrays BJ as trying to unblock the BREXIT talks logjam....his track record on sealing a watertight deal with Europe can hardly be held up as credible. It'll be interesting to see how the blame game pans out....
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If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.0 -
rightOldKingCole said:If you remember, this time last last our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.
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He'll definitely run in 2024. Why wouldn't he? Because he suddenly develops a distaste for power, wealth and other people's money? He will start campaigning for MAGA2024 on 20/1/21. The rest of the quasi-fascists and bible wankers in the GOP can do nothing to stop him.Nigelb said:
I still can’t decide whether he’s likely to just fade away, or if the US descends into serious civil unrest.
He'll probably win as he'll either be up against whatever is left of Biden's brain in a jar hooked up to a car battery and Hunter's laptop or Kamala Harris.
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S.Africa vs England called off again, more Covid-19, this time among hotel staff0
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Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
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Which is why some sort of agreement to effectively continue the current arrangements, at least for trade and any other matters so far unresolved, for a few more months, would now politically be very sensible.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
The extent of our unpreparedness for something that has been four and a half years coming is truly staggering.0 -
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Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.0 -
"frictionless trade", "all the same benefits" - as in the US, politicians seemingly are no longer held to account for all the lies we have been told.OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.1 -
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His old man lived until he was 96 or something. He presumably endured by the power of racial hatred.Scott_xP said:
Insurmountable legal troubles. Or a heart attack.Dura_Ace said:He'll definitely run in 2024. Why wouldn't he?
The legal troubles will only burnish his credentials as a righteous man beset on all sides in the addled eyes of the Maga Army.0 -
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.0 -
I think technically he was (referring to the WA) actually, but sold it as something it wasn’t. So it makes no difference.OldKingCole said:
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
Especially as he’s now repudiated the WA anyway.
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Terrible though it is, part of me wants to think it's only right that there should be no deal, so that the real consequences can be displayed for all to see. Except I know that for the extreme Brexit loonies there will always be someone else to blame for the consequences of their own folly. (Cf. D. J. Trump, Jr, and his - still unbelievably extant - fans.)
And a lot of the people who will suffer would be more accurately classified as their victims. And also a lot of people will suffer who could see all along what lunacy it was, because in this world there's a limit to how far you can protect yourself against other people's stupidity.1 -
Really? I thought they were created by one-off geological events, but I know little about it and I could easily be wrong.rcs1000 said:
Sure you can...ydoethur said:
Can I do a HYUFD and count radiation as an emission?rcs1000 said:
That's not true.ydoethur said:
Of course, ZEV are only zero emissions if they are charged using renewable sources of power.MattW said:
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.
Nuclear is not renewable, and is Zero Emission.
There are also times when it's more efficient for the grid to generate power than not.
But only if you want me to point out that (over sufficiently long timespans) coal, gas and oil are renewable too.0 -
There are millions of idiots on social media, and the platform is designed to amplify fringe conspiracy theories and generate negative emotion - which drives ‘engagement’.rcs1000 said:
So...Sandpit said:
So does everyone ignore him after 20th Jan, and pretend he never happened, or do they keep him in the news every day for he next four years? I’m betting on the latter.rcs1000 said:
Trump is quite mad. And his madness is incredibly corrosive to democracy in America.Mysticrose said:Trump's Georgia rally is near-disastrous for the GOP run-offs. Instead of focusing on the two Republican candidates he has launched a vitriolic attack on Governor Brian Kemp, pressuring him to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to a Washington Post source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures
Then, at the rally, he went on another of his narcissistic tantrum rants.
I'm beginning to dare to hope that the Democrats might just win both run-offs. Early voting begins a week tomorrow.
I foolishly tried to engage some MAGAites on Twitter.
The issue was about postal votes and how she signatures didn't match, and there were all going to get thrown out, and therefore Trump would be handed the State by the courts.
First, I pointed out that - even if some votes were found to have been fraudulently cast - you couldn't know who they had been cast for.
Secondly, I pointed out that if 11% of postal votes were fraudulently cast, you didn't need "an audit", you just needed to speak to nine people who were supposed to have voted, so as to find the one who didn't.
And those people are publicly listed. It would literally take twenty minutes to find enough evidence of people who didn't actually vote.
I've deleted Twitter from my phone.
It's insane, and it's a testament to this site that - even when there are people one disagrees with - the arguments are normally civil and fact based.
A huge problem of modern TV media, as dicussed in the header, is that everyone involved is obsessed by what’s trending on Twitter. David Cameron was right about it.4 -
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.3 -
There were signs in some of the quotes in the press last week that the Govt were actually preparing to blame U.K. businesses for not preparing sufficiently. (particularly those involved in food supplies for which it appears the Govt takes no responsibility and has no emergency plans whatsoever). Because they hadn’t done enough to make a success of this “shared national endeavour”, and had relied too much on wishful thinking of end state trading scenarios.IanB2 said:
Which is why some sort of agreement to effectively continue the current arrangements, at least for trade and any other matters so far unresolved, for a few more months, would now politically be very sensible.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
The extent of our unpreparedness for something that has been four and a half years coming is truly staggering.0 -
An excellent thread header. Personally I'm not all that bothered about the internet. I think, understandably, people like us overestimate the importance of the internet. My parents wouldn't have a clue about the stuff written on the internet if it wasn't for the TV media repeating the nonsense. Quite simply, the mainstream media should not be talking about concerns about vaccines. They shouldn't even be asking questions about how the government intends to get people to have the jab - simply asking that question suggests to the audience that perhaps they ought to be worried. They shouldn't. And they certainly shouldn't have repeated the claims from Dr Fauci (I know he's apologised, but it just smacks of the media enjoying the confrontation, which is not what's needed right now).
but there is plenty of evidence that talk about suicide acts as a cue in the suggestible.
Absolutely. I went to a conference on suicide at Network Rail a few years ago. One of the presenters explained how they'd tried to persuade Coronation Street to not do the Hayley Cropper suicide story. They weren't successful in getting it stopped, but they managed to convince the producers to limit what they showed. Also, did you know that there was a spike in suicides when Robin Williams took his own life?
This should apply post-COVID. We need the media to STOP TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH. It makes things worse, not better.2 -
Nuclear is very far from zero waste. As your great great great great great great great great grandkids will still be attesting.rcs1000 said:
That's not true.ydoethur said:
Of course, ZEV are only zero emissions if they are charged using renewable sources of power.MattW said:
Interesting. They've got a battle on. Anti-roads people dressing up in Lincoln Green costumes.FrancisUrquhart said:Any thoughts Boris has of building our way out of the COVID recession is going to be fought tooth and nail by the Green lobby...
Climate change: Lower Thames Crossing CO2 impact figures revealed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-55202801
The assessment doesn't seem to take into account either savings from reductions of congestion elsewhere, or the increase in ZEV - traffic emissions count for more than half of it and we will be overwhelmingly ZEV for perhaps 45-50 years of the 60 year calculated period.
One of a smallish number of BBC stories where I have seen a link direct to What Do They Know.
Nuclear is not renewable, and is Zero Emission.
There are also times when it's more efficient for the grid to generate power than not.
It's also Zero Emission - until it spectacularly isn't.
*Chernobyl and Fukushima wave*1 -
We’d be really in the sh*t if there wasn’t.MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
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Here he is talking about it in the context of the withdrawal agreement:OldKingCole said:
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/05/deal-oven-ready-get-brexit-done-take-country-forward/0 -
It was one of those evil genius lines- it could easily be heard as meaning an end state deal, even if that was never said.RobD said:
Here he is talking about it in the context of the withdrawal agreement:OldKingCole said:
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/05/deal-oven-ready-get-brexit-done-take-country-forward/0 -
Except here he is referring to the WA, not the FTA.Stuartinromford said:
It was one of those evil genius lines- it could easily be heard as meaning an end state deal, even if that was never said.RobD said:
Here he is talking about it in the context of the withdrawal agreement:OldKingCole said:
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/05/deal-oven-ready-get-brexit-done-take-country-forward/0 -
Betting Post
F1: backed Sainz to be top 6 at 2.8. He's achieved that in 4/5 recent races, and was a tenth off top 6 pace in qualifying. Reckon he has a decent shot.
As an aside, also done a little bit more hedging on Bottas/Verstappen. I'm ahead on the win market whatever happens now.
Pre-race ramble here:
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2020/12/sakhir-pre-race-2020.html1 -
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.0 -
Do you have any strongly held and oft evinced thoughts on any alternative means of renewable energy generation that you'd like to share with us?MarqueeMark said:
Nuclear is very far from zero waste. As your great great great great great great great great grandkids will still be attesting.
It's also Zero Emission - until it spectacularly isn't.
*Chernobyl and Fukushima wave*0 -
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I hope there will be a deal. It's not only about the immediate consequences, it's about what a failure will mean for the future existence of the UK, how we are perceived internationally and the long term harm that will do us.Chris said:Terrible though it is, part of me wants to think it's only right that there should be no deal, so that the real consequences can be displayed for all to see. Except I know that for the extreme Brexit loonies there will always be someone else to blame for the consequences of their own folly. (Cf. D. J. Trump, Jr, and his - still unbelievably extant - fans.)
And a lot of the people who will suffer would be more accurately classified as their victims. And also a lot of people will suffer who could see all along what lunacy it was, because in this world there's a limit to how far you can protect yourself against other people's stupidity.
Whatever happens we are going to be poorer, less free, less united and more peripheral, but without a deal it will be so much worse. The problem is that I just do not see how one can be done as there is no deal that will satisfy the people whose political acquiescence (the ERG) or irrelevance (Farage) Johnson needs to stay in power. And given that Johnson will always put his own interests first, how can he sign up to anything that will inevitably cause apoplexy among both groups - small as they are in the great scheme of things?
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What we know is that whatever happens the government will never take situation for a state of affairs caused solely by decisions it has taken.alex_ said:
There were signs in some of the quotes in the press last week that the Govt were actually preparing to blame U.K. businesses for not preparing sufficiently. (particularly those involved in food supplies for which it appears the Govt takes no responsibility and has no emergency plans whatsoever). Because they hadn’t done enough to make a success of this “shared national endeavour”, and had relied too much on wishful thinking of end state trading scenarios.IanB2 said:
Which is why some sort of agreement to effectively continue the current arrangements, at least for trade and any other matters so far unresolved, for a few more months, would now politically be very sensible.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
The extent of our unpreparedness for something that has been four and a half years coming is truly staggering.
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Which he’s a) repudiated and b) was front and centre of an election campaign to “get Brexit Done”. Which is technically true, but people are going to get a shock in January.RobD said:
Except here he is referring to the WA, not the FTA.Stuartinromford said:
It was one of those evil genius lines- it could easily be heard as meaning an end state deal, even if that was never said.RobD said:
Here he is talking about it in the context of the withdrawal agreement:OldKingCole said:
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/05/deal-oven-ready-get-brexit-done-take-country-forward/0 -
Have to remember that this time last year we were still electing a Parliament needed to weed out the Wollastons and the Grieves that could actually pass a Brexit Bill. Which didn't get the Royal Assent until 23rd January this year.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.0 -
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.0 -
Watching MOTD repeat and thinking about the debate concerning heading the ball and long-term brain injury. I think if they banned heading outside the penalty areas it would cut the number of headers a lot and might even make for a better game.0
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It's possible....Dura_Ace said:
Do you have any strongly held and oft evinced thoughts on any alternative means of renewable energy generation that you'd like to share with us?MarqueeMark said:
Nuclear is very far from zero waste. As your great great great great great great great great grandkids will still be attesting.
It's also Zero Emission - until it spectacularly isn't.
*Chernobyl and Fukushima wave*0 -
Anecdote time. My dad hasn't been especially well this year. Last week he managed to do a hernia. Anyway, he went to see his GP who sent him off to the hospital. He spent most of Wednesday afternoon in outpatients as the doctors there examined him. He went back on Thursday - and spent all day there - before they decided that he needed surgery, which they'd do on Saturday once he'd been off some pills. Great, we thought, they're not messing around. Anyway, he goes back for one last check on Friday. This time, a doctor who he had not seen at all up to this point examines him and decides that actually, it's not that bad, we don't need to operate. Go home and let us know if you're in any pain.
My dad's observation about the hospital was that, whilst most - but certainly not all - staff were wearing masks and temperatures were being checked, they seemed rather relaxed about COVID. It seems beyond bizarre that they went through to all that effort only to have someone (presumably more senior) veto surgery. I've been concerned about COVID preventing other stuff being done by the NHS. But what my dad went through shocked me. Surely you get the key decision maker involved straight away so that you don't waste time and increase risks of COVID being spread.1 -
The point i was making is not that it is difficult, or that there is any risk to being able to get vaccine supplies into the country. It is the fact that this reassurance is needing to be offered at all.Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.0 -
I'm not disputing that, but it's just false to claim the "oven ready deal" refers to the FTA.alex_ said:
Which he’s a) repudiated and b) was front and centre of an election campaign to “get Brexit Done”. Which is technically true, but people are going to get a shock in January.RobD said:
Except here he is referring to the WA, not the FTA.Stuartinromford said:
It was one of those evil genius lines- it could easily be heard as meaning an end state deal, even if that was never said.RobD said:
Here he is talking about it in the context of the withdrawal agreement:OldKingCole said:
Don't think so, but he's not good at coherence.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/05/deal-oven-ready-get-brexit-done-take-country-forward/0 -
So the cabinet lap dogs are backing Bozos no deal . What a surprise!
Bozo seems more interested in finding someone to blame than actually getting a deal .1 -
All of this is true, but how vocal are they going to be in support when the reality of No Deal bites?SouthamObserver said:The problem is that I just do not see how one can be done as there is no deal that will satisfy the people whose political acquiescence (the ERG) or irrelevance (Farage) Johnson needs to stay in power. And given that Johnson will always put his own interests first, how can he sign up to anything that will inevitably cause apoplexy among both groups - small as they are in the great scheme of things?
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And even more impressively, Johnson has tried to repeal it before it even comes into force.MarqueeMark said:
Have to remember that this time last year we were still electing a Parliament needed to weed out the Wollastons and the Grieves that could actually pass a Brexit Bill. Which didn't get the Royal Assent until 23rd January this year.RobD said:.
Wasn't he referring to the withdrawal agreement?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.1 -
I reckon we could get our current 2020 allocation in a single flight. Here by lunchtime....Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.1 -
Eggs and basket come to mind.MarqueeMark said:
I reckon we could get our current 2020 allocation in a single flight. Here by lunchtime....Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.0 -
Sorry to hear about your dad. Sounds a bit of a shambles.tlg86 said:Anecdote time. My dad hasn't been especially well this year. Last week he managed to do a hernia. Anyway, he went to see his GP who sent him off to the hospital. He spent most of Wednesday afternoon in outpatients as the doctors there examined him. He went back on Thursday - and spent all day there - before they decided that he needed surgery, which they'd do on Saturday once he'd been off some pills. Great, we thought, they're not messing around. Anyway, he goes back for one last check on Friday. This time, a doctor who he had not seen at all up to this point examines him and decides that actually, it's not that bad, we don't need to operate. Go home and let us know if you're in any pain.
My dad's observation about the hospital was that, whilst most - but certainly not all - staff were wearing masks and temperatures were being checked, they seemed rather relaxed about COVID. It seems beyond bizarre that they went through to all that effort only to have someone (presumably more senior) veto surgery. I've been concerned about COVID preventing other stuff being done by the NHS. But what my dad went through shocked me. Surely you get the key decision maker involved straight away so that you don't waste time and increase risks of COVID being spread.
But while @Foxy would know more than me, friends in the NHS are saying what’s causing major problems is not the infections but the isolating contacts (as it is in schools). That may be why they tried to hold the senior person back to the last minute.0 -
Crab Air is grossly unsuited to cargo operator style 24x7 ops. They would run out of crews quite quickly. That's not say they couldn't help as the big advantage of C-17/A400/C-130 ops is not that they add capacity but they don't need any specific equipment to load/unload except a few fat lads with their arse cracks showing.Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.1 -
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Alternatively, send a thousand guys with pizza delivery bikes.....RobD said:
Eggs and basket come to mind.MarqueeMark said:
I reckon we could get our current 2020 allocation in a single flight. Here by lunchtime....Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.1 -
Nevada back out two ticks; Trump exit date 2021 continues to fall as next year gets closer.
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The reassurance is needed, because certain parts of the political media spent last week positively relishing the idea that vaccines would get stuck in transit.alex_ said:
The point i was making is not that it is difficult, or that there is any risk to being able to get vaccine supplies into the country. It is the fact that this reassurance is needing to be offered at all.Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.1 -
Obviously, they will take no responsibility whatsoever and will blame everyone but themselves - but they will kick up a huge fuss if Johnson then seeks a deal with Brussels.Scott_xP said:
All of this is true, but how vocal are they going to be in support when the reality of No Deal bites?SouthamObserver said:The problem is that I just do not see how one can be done as there is no deal that will satisfy the people whose political acquiescence (the ERG) or irrelevance (Farage) Johnson needs to stay in power. And given that Johnson will always put his own interests first, how can he sign up to anything that will inevitably cause apoplexy among both groups - small as they are in the great scheme of things?
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Great idea. Select any who have willingly delivered a pizza with pineapple on it.MarqueeMark said:
Alternatively, send a thousand guys with pizza delivery bikes.....RobD said:
Eggs and basket come to mind.MarqueeMark said:
I reckon we could get our current 2020 allocation in a single flight. Here by lunchtime....Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.MarqueeMark said:
And how many flights will it take to fly in those "pizza boxes", each with 950 doses per box? A pallet 10 x 10 x 20 of such boxes is 1.9 million doses....MattW said:
That's another one of those 'bullshitters bullshitting' headlines.alex_ said:
Part of the additional problem is that without some sort of transition, almost all the chaos of no-deal will happen under a deal scenario anyway. So they’ll decide politically, why bother with the latter?OldKingCole said:
If you remember, this time last year our PM was going round the country talking about an oven-ready deal which he only had to pop in the microwave.Scott_xP said:
But the cabinet of useless sycophants are totally behind him...IanB2 said:The clown’s problem is that he has spent his political capital and blown his credibility just before the main event for which he always needed them.
Edit; FFS.
You would have thought that the headlines about the military flying in vaccine supplies to get round the border problems would have made them question what they were doing. That such a thing would be necessary. There is no situation where needing to rely on the military should be seen as a “good news story”. Relying on the military for civilian roles is about the biggest admission/evidence of the failure of the state that you can get. It’s no surprise it’s been cited as a potential backstop so often in recent years.
One thing that will be amusing amid the madness is how they will explain away the fish shortages.
Headline:
"Military planes to fly vaccines in to Britain to avoid ports hit by Brexit"
Reality once you read the story
There is a contingency plan.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.0 -
There would be a brief Churchillan moment, before Britain's no-deal Brexit preparations began to look like Enver Hoxha's mini-bunkers he peppered the landscape with, and the reality of Britain having a similar trading status to Albania with the rest of Europe started to become obvious.Scott_xP said:0 -
Of course - but nuclear compares quite badly with renewables in lifetime CO2 per watt. Even more if you include decommissioning.rcs1000 said:
Then again, if you sufficient have surplus electricity, you can use it to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere.0 -
Thanks Alistair for an interesting piece.
I have a conspiracy theorist amongst my outer Facebook circle now (for the first time), though more of the Ga-Ga-Glastonbury variety.
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https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1335502869752115204
Like the story of someone willing to have sex for £1M, but not for £5, the principle of allowing EU boats to fish in UK waters has been conceded, we are just haggling over the price...1 -
I still struggle somewhat to comprehend how the Govt reconciles needing to be able to apportion blame with their simultaneous claims that no deal (“Australia deal”) will be an excellent outcome for the country. Why would you need to find blame for an excellent outcome?Scott_xP said:
Or are they going to accuse somebody of sabotaging the Australia deal?0 -
Yep - blaming the French gets you through a few news cycles, but then what? We have been told that no deal is no problem and that the UK will thrive mightily without one. There will need to be delivery on that.WhisperingOracle said:
There would be a brief Churchillan moment, before Britain's no-deal Brexit preparations began to look like Enver Hoxha's mini-bunkers he peppered the landscape with, and the reality of Britain having a similar trading status to Albania with the rest of Europe started to become obvious.Scott_xP said:
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They will say the Govt preparation has been undermined by the Remainers in the Civil Service.SouthamObserver said:
Obviously, they will take no responsibility whatsoever and will blame everyone but themselves - but they will kick up a huge fuss if Johnson then seeks a deal with Brussels.Scott_xP said:
All of this is true, but how vocal are they going to be in support when the reality of No Deal bites?SouthamObserver said:The problem is that I just do not see how one can be done as there is no deal that will satisfy the people whose political acquiescence (the ERG) or irrelevance (Farage) Johnson needs to stay in power. And given that Johnson will always put his own interests first, how can he sign up to anything that will inevitably cause apoplexy among both groups - small as they are in the great scheme of things?
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Trouble is there is probably a lot more heading during practice rather than playing.paulyork64 said:Watching MOTD repeat and thinking about the debate concerning heading the ball and long-term brain injury. I think if they banned heading outside the penalty areas it would cut the number of headers a lot and might even make for a better game.
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How many crews would they need? What do Crab Air’s flight time timitations look like?Dura_Ace said:
Crab Air is grossly unsuited to cargo operator style 24x7 ops. They would run out of crews quite quickly. That's not say they couldn't help as the big advantage of C-17/A400/C-130 ops is not that they add capacity but they don't need any specific equipment to load/unload except a few fat lads with their arse cracks showing.Sandpit said:
A single C-17 has a cargo area 27m x 5.5m x 3.75m high, and has a max load of 77,500kg.
You’d probably do it with one plane in less than a week.
In civvy street they have around five crews per airframe, with FTLs of 100hr/month and 900hr/year.0 -
This would be necessary to some extent anyway, because existing supply chain can hardly be suspended and reconfigured overnight on 1st January creating massive shortagesScott_xP said:https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1335502869752115204
Like the story of someone willing to have sex for £1M, but not for £5, the principle of allowing EU boats to fish in UK waters has been conceded, we are just haggling over the price...0 -
My local team have (or had when I was last able to watch them) a predilection for booting the ball high up field and trying to head it on. Seemed to be common practice in their league.kjh said:
Trouble is there is probably a lot more heading during practice rather than playing.paulyork64 said:Watching MOTD repeat and thinking about the debate concerning heading the ball and long-term brain injury. I think if they banned heading outside the penalty areas it would cut the number of headers a lot and might even make for a better game.
Just hoping that by early/mid Jan, when my vaccination course is completed, I'll be able to go and see them again.0
