How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

SPotY's sixth contender will be named in The One Show, around 20 past 7.
The first five named are Stuart Broad, Hollie Doyle, Lewis Hamilton, Jordan Henderson & Ronnie O'Sullivan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/sports-personality/55043358

Struggling this year , I have only heard of two of them and only one of them decent , Ronnie.

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

Looks to me as if we are heading for an age cut off with Pfizer above and AZ below?

SandyRentool said:

tlg86 said:

SandyRentool said:

So after Rita Ora leaving me in a state of bafflement yesterday, today it is the turn of Ellen/Elliot Page.

A film star, apparently.

He was nominated for Best Actress at the 2008 Oscars.

A sentence I never thought I'd read.

Weird to say the least

rcs1000 said:

Stocky said:

rcs1000 said:

Watch this:

https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/1333919015174098950

"Senators - you need to step up - you have taken a position of leadership. Show some."

Brilliant.

The Republican Party has a real problem.

Repudiate Trump and lose his voters.

But repudiate democracy and reality and you lose a different bunch.

If Biden avoids offending anyone, and Trump continues to wage war in (and on) the Republican Party, then 2022 could be a bloodbath.

All this emanates from the fact that Trump had the opportunity to run for GOP nominee in the first place. GOP have to ensure that this can`t happen again.

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

Will only be five million because of the double dose needed. Still good, but just under 10% of the population (but probably those with a far greater risk than the other 90%)

Oh is this one a double dose too? I thought that was just the Oxford vaccine.

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

Will only be five million because of the double dose needed. Still good, but just under 10% of the population (but probably those with a far greater risk than the other 90%)

Oh is this one a double dose too? I thought that was just the Oxford vaccine.

Moderna, too.

IanB2 said:

A great sunrise this morning

Do you mean because of the vaccines or is there actually a great sunrise over yonder?

Maybe both.

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

Will only be five million because of the double dose needed. Still good, but just under 10% of the population (but probably those with a far greater risk than the other 90%)

Oh is this one a double dose too? I thought that was just the Oxford vaccine.

Every vaccine except Johnson & Johnson (trial results expect by the end of the year) is a double dose.

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

Will only be five million because of the double dose needed. Still good, but just under 10% of the population (but probably those with a far greater risk than the other 90%)

Oh is this one a double dose too? I thought that was just the Oxford vaccine.

Every vaccine except Johnson & Johnson (trial results expect by the end of the year) is a double dose.

Is the booster jab exactly the same as the first jab?

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

It's a bit of an outlier.

"Why did it take me under two-and-a-half hours to go 130 miles in my new electric Audi? Including a top-up at my destination?"

Abingdon to Colchester to visit my Mum in January. And, to ensure I didn't have to wait on the way back, I stopped at an ultra-fast charger just outside of Colchester on the way there for a recharge back to full. The trip back was under 2 hours.

IanB2 said:

rcs1000 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

In 2011, in the UK, I bought the first Tesla Roadster.

At that time, the only place you could charge was. Well. Home.

200 miles of range. So long as you didn't mind ending back where you started. Someone drove one from Lands End to John O'Groats. But that took two days.

In 2014, I was one of the first people to get a Tesla Model S.

That was a bit better. There were a few Tesla Superchargers (notably at Brent Cross). Chargepoint and a few others started added public chargepoints. Those early Superchargers allowed you to add 100 miles of range in just 20 minutes. (So long as you started at zero. And stopped at 60%. Because after 60% charging slowed.)

In 2018 I moved to the US. This year, I got a Taycan.

Three months ago, I drove 500 miles from North of San Francisco to Los Angeles. In a day. With one charging stop of about 35 minutes.

New charging points are being put in place all the time. Next year there will be twice as many as there are now. In five years it'll be 10x as many.

So the sensible thing to have done was wait five years...

For two decades, my job was everything about new technology and investment. It would have been a lot more expensive for me not to know about Tesla.

(And a lot less fun.)

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

Will only be five million because of the double dose needed. Still good, but just under 10% of the population (but probably those with a far greater risk than the other 90%)

Depends how brave we are on relying on the logistics chain. If it's 3-4 weeks between doses, and we are very confident in the delivery schedule, we could use all the first 10 million on separate people and do the second dose with the next deliveries.

Probably wouldn't recommend that unless the delivery chain is very well established, but it's an option.

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

They are fucking idiots. Why did they leave with 45m range remaining? Also Frozen Blue Metallic is the worst colour.

RobD said:

Andy_Cooke said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

Will only be five million because of the double dose needed. Still good, but just under 10% of the population (but probably those with a far greater risk than the other 90%)

Depends how brave we are on relying on the logistics chain. If it's 3-4 weeks between doses, and we are very confident in the delivery schedule, we could use all the first 10 million on separate people and do the second dose with the next deliveries.

Probably wouldn't recommend that unless the delivery chain is very well established, but it's an option.

Yeah, better to err on the side of caution with this one I think. Who knows what vaccine supplies France is going to commandeer.

I suspect that dose one supplied 60% of the protection. And therefore one would be better off vaccinating 10 million people with the first dose by Xmas.

But you probably shouldn't listen to me.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

In 2011, in the UK, I bought the first Tesla Roadster.

At that time, the only place you could charge was. Well. Home.

200 miles of range. So long as you didn't mind ending back where you started. Someone drove one from Lands End to John O'Groats. But that took two days.

In 2014, I was one of the first people to get a Tesla Model S.

That was a bit better. There were a few Tesla Superchargers (notably at Brent Cross). Chargepoint and a few others started added public chargepoints. Those early Superchargers allowed you to add 100 miles of range in just 20 minutes. (So long as you started at zero. And stopped at 60%. Because after 60% charging slowed.)

In 2018 I moved to the US. This year, I got a Taycan.

Three months ago, I drove 500 miles from North of San Francisco to Los Angeles. In a day. With one charging stop of about 35 minutes.

New charging points are being put in place all the time. Next year there will be twice as many as there are now. In five years it'll be 10x as many.

It's not just the number of chargers but the number of incompatible plugs and even phone apps needed. The industry needs to come together (or be brought together) and agree some common standards. Why do you even need an app to charge your car? You pay for petrol with cash or credit card.

Useful if they were common euro standards for travel across the channel.

Scott_xP said:

Back of the queue...

https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1334045276168974336

So much for all that posturing wrt NI.

Great news about the Vaccine.

Regarding electric cars, ran a Leaf 2014 - 2017. Charging network sucked then, is worse now. For non-Teslas the issue isn't just the lack of charging points, its the speed they run at. If you have bought any of the high price big battery shit efficiency cars like the iPace a 50kW "rapid" charger isn't remotely fast enough. Yet for so many of the charge points fitted - even the newer ones - thats as fast as you go.

If you want an EV to do any distance in your options start and stop with Tesla. They have their own bespoke brilliant charging network AND access to all of the slow "rapid" chargers that everyone else has to fight for. Unless there is a rapid convergence of operators who start installing swathes of high-power chargers all on the same simple (and affordable!) pay as you charge back office network, then EVs cannot take off the way they have to.

Its not the car technology thats the issue. Its the charging infrastructure. And like Fibre broadband I struggle to see how the market provides without state intervention.

Having been as an appalling a government as one could imagine during this crisis, if they do get the vaccine implementation right and we are indeed first, the clown does have the chance of a get out of jail card, at least as far as his own risible leadership is concerned.

Hancock saying the number of people pre-Xmas may be about 800,000, which will be the first batch due to arrive. Subsequent batches need to be tested prior to use; it's sounding like these could be after Xmas.

Was my mother's 90th birthday yesterday. Really hope she can get the vaccine in next few weeks

Well done to all concerned in making us the first country in the World to get going.

Dura_Ace said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

They are fucking idiots. Why did they leave with 45m range remaining? Also Frozen Blue Metallic is the worst colour.

My Taycan is Frozen Blue Metallic.

The "Frozen" is a reference to the Disney movie.

As I said to my wife "honey, you'll never have any problem finding our car in the supermarket car park"

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

Back of the queue...

https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1334045276168974336

So much for all that posturing wrt NI.

Yes, Boris should have admitted that there was a border in the Irish Sea.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

In 2011, in the UK, I bought the first Tesla Roadster.

At that time, the only place you could charge was. Well. Home.

200 miles of range. So long as you didn't mind ending back where you started. Someone drove one from Lands End to John O'Groats. But that took two days.

In 2014, I was one of the first people to get a Tesla Model S.

That was a bit better. There were a few Tesla Superchargers (notably at Brent Cross). Chargepoint and a few others started added public chargepoints. Those early Superchargers allowed you to add 100 miles of range in just 20 minutes. (So long as you started at zero. And stopped at 60%. Because after 60% charging slowed.)

In 2018 I moved to the US. This year, I got a Taycan.

Three months ago, I drove 500 miles from North of San Francisco to Los Angeles. In a day. With one charging stop of about 35 minutes.

New charging points are being put in place all the time. Next year there will be twice as many as there are now. In five years it'll be 10x as many.

It's not just the number of chargers but the number of incompatible plugs and even phone apps needed. The industry needs to come together (or be brought together) and agree some common standards. Why do you even need an app to charge your car? You pay for petrol with cash or credit card.

That's improving too (in the US at least).

There used to be four standards:

Tesla
J1772
CCS
ChAdeMo

ChAdeMo is basically dead.
And CCS is now a superset of J1772 (and cover fast DC charging)
And Tesla

So, now there are two.

In my Taycan I carry a Tesla adaptor and a standard 110V wall connector adaptor. And that's it.

https://twitter.com/imbadatlife/status/1334048123686154242?s=20

gealbhan said:

Foxy said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Health editor of Economist:

https://twitter.com/natashaloder/status/1333873342705770497

Approval for one of the vaccines.

And then a massive roll out for the most vulnerable before Christmas so that they have had at least their first dose and get the second very early in the new year.

NHS workers first I hope (and I say that a someone classed as "extremely vulnerable").
And then teachers...

Philip_Thompson said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Health editor of Economist:

https://twitter.com/natashaloder/status/1333873342705770497

Approval for one of the vaccines.

And then a massive roll out for the most vulnerable before Christmas so that they have had at least their first dose and get the second very early in the new year.

NHS workers first I hope (and I say that a someone classed as "extremely vulnerable").
And then teachers...

NHS are second.

(Care workers are first)

We have been notified to expect vaccination within a week or so. The logistics of the Pfizer vaccine means that NHS are first, then primary care and social care.

Has it been properly tested?

Yes, it has.

I’m slightly surprised about how fast the regulators approved it but it has been a rolling submission so presumably they have reviewed most of the file ahead of time

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/1334050485591040000

RochdalePioneers said:

Great news about the Vaccine.

Regarding electric cars, ran a Leaf 2014 - 2017. Charging network sucked then, is worse now. For non-Teslas the issue isn't just the lack of charging points, its the speed they run at. If you have bought any of the high price big battery shit efficiency cars like the iPace a 50kW "rapid" charger isn't remotely fast enough. Yet for so many of the charge points fitted - even the newer ones - thats as fast as you go.

If you want an EV to do any distance in your options start and stop with Tesla. They have their own bespoke brilliant charging network AND access to all of the slow "rapid" chargers that everyone else has to fight for. Unless there is a rapid convergence of operators who start installing swathes of high-power chargers all on the same simple (and affordable!) pay as you charge back office network, then EVs cannot take off the way they have to.

Its not the car technology thats the issue. Its the charging infrastructure. And like Fibre broadband I struggle to see how the market provides without state intervention.

Now, maybe it's because I'm in the US, but when I drove from SF to LA, I stopped once at an Electrify America station. That was a 350kW station that could (in theory) fill my car from 0 to 100% (92kWH) in about 15 minutes. The real charge time (from 15% to 100%) was probably about 30 minutes, but the car finished while I was eating pizza, so I'm not 100% sure. The last 10% takes as long as the first 75%, so who knows...

The infrastructure was crap, but it improving every day.

Dura_Ace said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

They are fucking idiots. Why did they leave with 45m range remaining? Also Frozen Blue Metallic is the worst colour.

There is a whole genre of electric vehicle reporting - IGotStrandedBecauseIBehavedLikeAnIdiot

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1334046515233497090?s=20

why does it take 4 weeks for our immune system to respond to the presence of the 'fake' viral material?

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1334050597343997952

IanB2 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

It’ll be the queues. If you get to a petrol station and there’s a queue, it’s irritating, but also rare and rarely long, and the actual act of fuelling you’re doing yourself, so it doesn’t feel like you’re waiting for anything. Having to join a queue waiting for a charging point, everyone sitting looking at the car in front while nothing appears to be happening, will be seriously annoying in today’s instant society.

Most people will change the car at home or at work - how many people fill their tank up at those places ?
There will likely be periods when the buildout of new charging points won't match new car deliveries, but it won't take long.

We already have most of the charging network in place. It's called the national grid.

Nigelb said:

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

It would, but I think those numbers fairly unlikely.
The first batch is 800k doses -- 400k individuals. And we just don't know how many doses we'll get before Christmas.

Sure, but if those in care homes are immunised before Christmas they can have visitors and some sort of normality. That would be such an improvement. My mother in law is 84. We are in a protective bubble with her anyway as she needs a lot of mobility help but having her for Christmas would be great if she has already had the jab.

rottenborough said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1334046515233497090?s=20

why does it take 4 weeks for our immune system to respond to the presence of the 'fake' viral material?

This has happened at such a pace that no one really know the optimal gap, or indeed how much (if any) gap is necessary.

Two jabs has always been considered the "gold standard". One jab may confer 95% of the benefits. We simply don't know.

But we know we want normal.

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

In 2011, in the UK, I bought the first Tesla Roadster.

At that time, the only place you could charge was. Well. Home.

200 miles of range. So long as you didn't mind ending back where you started. Someone drove one from Lands End to John O'Groats. But that took two days.

In 2014, I was one of the first people to get a Tesla Model S.

That was a bit better. There were a few Tesla Superchargers (notably at Brent Cross). Chargepoint and a few others started added public chargepoints. Those early Superchargers allowed you to add 100 miles of range in just 20 minutes. (So long as you started at zero. And stopped at 60%. Because after 60% charging slowed.)

In 2018 I moved to the US. This year, I got a Taycan.

Three months ago, I drove 500 miles from North of San Francisco to Los Angeles. In a day. With one charging stop of about 35 minutes.

New charging points are being put in place all the time. Next year there will be twice as many as there are now. In five years it'll be 10x as many.

It's not just the number of chargers but the number of incompatible plugs and even phone apps needed. The industry needs to come together (or be brought together) and agree some common standards. Why do you even need an app to charge your car? You pay for petrol with cash or credit card.

That was the problem my brother had when he pitched up here with his shiny new Tesla two years back. At the time there were only two suitable public charging points on the island, but by amazing luck one of them was within walking distance. So we went down there, and spent ages fiddling with the App, which was reluctant to get the charging to start. I can't remember what the further problems were but I do know that we spent most of Boxing Day going back and forth to the car , just so he could drive 100 miles back home the next day.

When Mrs Foxy goes to the IoW in our e-niro, it has about 280 mile range. It is about 170 miles door to door. She plugs into a regular 13 amp plug to recharge. It is about 10 miles range per hour of charging, per hour of charging this way. Plug it in overnight, and it is fully charged.

Good news on the vaccine. NHS staff first, I believe. It should show up any further reactions before going public.

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1334046515233497090?s=20

Fine. Waited this lonmg, wait till January, or indeed March. Reinforces my intention to take no risks at Christmas.

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1334052228894773251?s=20

That noise of a volcano going off you can hear is Trump waking up to find the British are first to approve a vaccine.

I'm finding it odd that there is a worry that people will become less careful because the vaccine is so close. It has the opposite effect on me. I don't want to get it now we are so close.

Malmesbury said:

rcs1000 said:

Selebian said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

It’ll be the queues. If you get to a petrol station and there’s a queue, it’s irritating, but also rare and rarely long, and the actual act of fuelling you’re doing yourself, so it doesn’t feel like you’re waiting for anything. Having to join a queue waiting for a charging point, everyone sitting looking at the car in front while nothing appears to be happening, will be seriously annoying in today’s instant society.

The UK has pretty poor non-Tesla electric charging infrastructure. The US is much better.

Didn't VW have to cough up for a big electric charger investment as settlement in the diesel scandal? Should have done something similar here/across EU. Or is that not as substantial as it's sometimes made to sound?

The EU should have insisted on something similar. But it's not clear they have the power to do so.

The problem, a while back was that the other vehicle manufacturers were absolutely adamant that they wouldn't use a Tesla compatible system. So they carefully locked themselves out of the largest fast network.

Tesla wanted a licensing fee. Other vehicle manufacturers baulked.

And so there is:

Tesla
&
Not Tesla

Just as with smartphones there is;

Apple*
&
Not Apple

* Except for the increasing number of Apple devices using USB C

rcs1000 said:

Dura_Ace said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

They are fucking idiots. Why did they leave with 45m range remaining? Also Frozen Blue Metallic is the worst colour.

My Taycan is Frozen Blue Metallic.

The "Frozen" is a reference to the Disney movie.

As I said to my wife "honey, you'll never have any problem finding our car in the supermarket car park"

Ours is white. My wife would not go back to an IC car after the Taycan experience. It is the best EV at the moment. Tesla's have interesting tech but shit fit and finish. They are also compromised ( compared to the Taycan) by lack of a transmission.

Charles said:

gealbhan said:

Foxy said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Health editor of Economist:

https://twitter.com/natashaloder/status/1333873342705770497

Approval for one of the vaccines.

And then a massive roll out for the most vulnerable before Christmas so that they have had at least their first dose and get the second very early in the new year.

NHS workers first I hope (and I say that a someone classed as "extremely vulnerable").
And then teachers...

Philip_Thompson said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Health editor of Economist:

https://twitter.com/natashaloder/status/1333873342705770497

Approval for one of the vaccines.

And then a massive roll out for the most vulnerable before Christmas so that they have had at least their first dose and get the second very early in the new year.

NHS workers first I hope (and I say that a someone classed as "extremely vulnerable").
And then teachers...

NHS are second.

(Care workers are first)

We have been notified to expect vaccination within a week or so. The logistics of the Pfizer vaccine means that NHS are first, then primary care and social care.

Has it been properly tested?

Yes, it has.

I’m slightly surprised about how fast the regulators approved it but it has been a rolling submission so presumably they have reviewed most of the file ahead of time

Couldn't have happened if we were still in the EU. The first of the Brexit sunlit uplands.

rottenborough said:

That noise of a volcano going off you can hear is Trump waking up to find the British are first to approve a vaccine.

Vaccination has been politicised in the US and Pelosi is the worst offender.

Foxy said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

In 2011, in the UK, I bought the first Tesla Roadster.

At that time, the only place you could charge was. Well. Home.

200 miles of range. So long as you didn't mind ending back where you started. Someone drove one from Lands End to John O'Groats. But that took two days.

In 2014, I was one of the first people to get a Tesla Model S.

That was a bit better. There were a few Tesla Superchargers (notably at Brent Cross). Chargepoint and a few others started added public chargepoints. Those early Superchargers allowed you to add 100 miles of range in just 20 minutes. (So long as you started at zero. And stopped at 60%. Because after 60% charging slowed.)

In 2018 I moved to the US. This year, I got a Taycan.

Three months ago, I drove 500 miles from North of San Francisco to Los Angeles. In a day. With one charging stop of about 35 minutes.

New charging points are being put in place all the time. Next year there will be twice as many as there are now. In five years it'll be 10x as many.

It's not just the number of chargers but the number of incompatible plugs and even phone apps needed. The industry needs to come together (or be brought together) and agree some common standards. Why do you even need an app to charge your car? You pay for petrol with cash or credit card.

That was the problem my brother had when he pitched up here with his shiny new Tesla two years back. At the time there were only two suitable public charging points on the island, but by amazing luck one of them was within walking distance. So we went down there, and spent ages fiddling with the App, which was reluctant to get the charging to start. I can't remember what the further problems were but I do know that we spent most of Boxing Day going back and forth to the car , just so he could drive 100 miles back home the next day.

When Mrs Foxy goes to the IoW in our e-niro, it has about 280 mile range. It is about 170 miles door to door. She plugs into a regular 13 amp plug to recharge. It is about 10 miles range per hour of charging, per hour of charging this way. Plug it in overnight, and it is fully charged.

Good news on the vaccine. NHS staff first, I believe. It should show up any further reactions before going public.

Doesn't work for on-street parking when the car is across the street, though.

I've already heard of some NHS staff saying they don't want the vaccine straight away. As you say, they will in effect be doing the first mass side effect trial.

NY state dumped over 1M votes yesterday now at 95% - POTUS turnout now tops 158M and Biden 81M+ 51.3% .. Trump 74M+ 46.9% .. lead now 6.9M and will top out around 7.4M and 4.5% :

https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker

NerysHughes said:

Scott_xP said:

Back of the queue...

https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1334045276168974336

On the day the vaccine is approved you are as full of joy as ever

It's about internal American politics as much as anything, I think.

Remember the whole "I'm Irish" thing from Biden - that was playing to a powerful constituency in the Democratic party, the Irish Americans. Followed by the phone call.

This is playing to a different crowd. They believe that NAFTA was a disaster for the working class, that Bill Clinton's concentration on external trade was a disaster, and that this led to Trump. By saying he is concentrating on domestic economic issues, he is giving them some love...

I would expect, going forward, that we will see a lot of name checking various policies/groups in the Democratic Party coalition from Biden. His big thing is being a coalition builder - the guy who greets everyone in the room, and gets them to sign up to a common goal.

IanB2 said:

Foxy said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

IshmaelZ said:

rcs1000 said:

IanB2 said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

The Competition & Markets Authority is taking a gander at the electric car charging sector.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector

I could save them some money here, after looking at a couple of Youtube car reviews. Charging at home is fine, provided you've got off-street parking. Charging at service stations and the like is a mess of incompatible plugs and badly-designed phone apps, so if you want to drive more than a hundred miles in any direction, go no greener than a hybrid. Or buy a Tesla, who have invested in nationwide fast chargers.

I should have been GQ's motoring correspondent.

Lol. My brother bought a Tesla but it’s still a hassle for longer journeys. Last Xmas he turned up in his son’s beat up second hand car, because it was easier.

Of course.

There are tens of thousands of petrol stations, but only hundreds of fast chargers.

In three years time, those numbers will look very different.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’

With Brexit n covid 3 years looks optimistic, and pure electric is never going to achieve the refuelling speed and ease of petrol. And people will hate it. Look how transformative the invention of the TV remote was, and electric cars introduce thousands of times the inconvenience that remotes eliminated.

In 2011, in the UK, I bought the first Tesla Roadster.

At that time, the only place you could charge was. Well. Home.

200 miles of range. So long as you didn't mind ending back where you started. Someone drove one from Lands End to John O'Groats. But that took two days.

In 2014, I was one of the first people to get a Tesla Model S.

That was a bit better. There were a few Tesla Superchargers (notably at Brent Cross). Chargepoint and a few others started added public chargepoints. Those early Superchargers allowed you to add 100 miles of range in just 20 minutes. (So long as you started at zero. And stopped at 60%. Because after 60% charging slowed.)

In 2018 I moved to the US. This year, I got a Taycan.

Three months ago, I drove 500 miles from North of San Francisco to Los Angeles. In a day. With one charging stop of about 35 minutes.

New charging points are being put in place all the time. Next year there will be twice as many as there are now. In five years it'll be 10x as many.

It's not just the number of chargers but the number of incompatible plugs and even phone apps needed. The industry needs to come together (or be brought together) and agree some common standards. Why do you even need an app to charge your car? You pay for petrol with cash or credit card.

That was the problem my brother had when he pitched up here with his shiny new Tesla two years back. At the time there were only two suitable public charging points on the island, but by amazing luck one of them was within walking distance. So we went down there, and spent ages fiddling with the App, which was reluctant to get the charging to start. I can't remember what the further problems were but I do know that we spent most of Boxing Day going back and forth to the car , just so he could drive 100 miles back home the next day.

When Mrs Foxy goes to the IoW in our e-niro, it has about 280 mile range. It is about 170 miles door to door. She plugs into a regular 13 amp plug to recharge. It is about 10 miles range per hour of charging, per hour of charging this way. Plug it in overnight, and it is fully charged.

Good news on the vaccine. NHS staff first, I believe. It should show up any further reactions before going public.

Doesn't work for on-street parking when the car is across the street, though.

I've already heard of some NHS staff saying they don't want the vaccine straight away. As you say, they will in effect be doing the first mass side effect trial.

Yes, and one of the questions is how safe is it in people who have already had the virus.

DavidL said:

RobD said:

DavidL said:

How many million doses of Pfizer do we have bought?

Ten million units before Christmas, thirty million after that.

If we can 10m of the most vulnerable people vaccinated by Christmas our heated debates about whether we could or should relax regulations then are going to look very silly. That would be an incredible logistical achievement and an absolute game changer.

10m doses is 5m people and it takes 6 weeks for someone to be immunised. The second dose needs to be administered 4 weeks after the first and then it's another two weeks for it to become effective. Unfortunately there's no timeline that helps us during Christmas. Also, NHS staff are being vaccinated first because logistically it makes the most sense and it has the largest immediate downwards effect on the R. I think older people in care homes will get their initial jabs in early January. That puts them in line for immunity by the middle to end of Feb.

This may be a silly question, but can't we just turn the testing centres into vaccination centres and just get on with it? It's only sticking a needle in someone and pressing - diabetics do it all the time.