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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550

    Watching the Biden picks’ speeches on CNN. Patriotic, diplomatic, moderate. Suddenly it feels real. Like the end of an unlamented era.

    I'm already looking forward to the PBS profile of the Donald Trump presidency. They do one for each president and always manage to imbue it with much gravitas. It will not be easy to do that with Trump.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    The British Government said they couldn’t find £20m to feed hungry English children over the school holidays, but they can find £29m for a festival of Brexit.
    That sums up the very nature of this uncaring and cruel British Government
  • kinabalu said:

    I'm already looking forward to the PBS profile of the Donald Trump presidency. They do one for each president and always manage to imbue it with much gravitas. It will not be easy to do that with Trump.
    I'm waiting for the Ken Burns documentary series on Trump.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407

    Actually they have, I remember when Priti Patel used to be Press Secretary to William Hague and Cummings used to work for Gove when Gove was in opposition.
    Yeah... not sure the paychecks were from 'The Conservative Party..'.

    I may be wrong. Happened to me back in the 80s you know,..
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Omnium said:

    The Tory party hasn't employed either of them.

    Beyond the technicality though Cummings is/was clearly a loose cannon. Patel, despite her clear personal failings, is perhaps a decent Home Secretary.

    A short Asian woman is a clear change from the past. Theresa May was a, (tall) rather intimidating, white, Anglo-Saxon, woman.

    Patel will clearly be (mostly) judged on how she does her job. I think she's doing quite well, and I think she'll improve. I somewhat vaguely think she may be next PM, but I'm very sure she's doing great things for our perceptions as to prejudices with every minute that she serves.

    Iirc, her predecessor was a short Asian man.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    JACK_W said:

    Not you too .... are you a semi-detached coup watcher now?!? .... :smiley:
    The sooner I am watching Trump being fully detached the happier I’ll be.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963
    It's so obvious that this is going to be ignored why the hell does our government want to bring the law into disrepute?
  • Omnium said:

    Yeah... not sure the paychecks were from 'The Conservative Party..'.

    I may be wrong. Happened to me back in the 80s you know,..
    Well the one to Priti Patel definitely was.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    malcolmg said:

    The British Government said they couldn’t find £20m to feed hungry English children over the school holidays, but they can find £29m for a festival of Brexit.
    That sums up the very nature of this uncaring and cruel British Government

    Agreed. They’re almost as vile as Ian Blackford and that is saying quite something.
  • DavidL said:

    Err, haven't I seen this one?

    The Sentinal, I think was the starting point.
    TARS?
  • DavidL said:

    It's so obvious that this is going to be ignored why the hell does our government want to bring the law into disrepute?
    Spoiler Alert: This government isn't very good.
  • Omnium said:

    The Tory party hasn't employed either of them.

    Beyond the technicality though Cummings is/was clearly a loose cannon. Patel, despite her clear personal failings, is perhaps a decent Home Secretary.

    A short Asian woman is a clear change from the past. Theresa May was a, (tall) rather intimidating, white, Anglo-Saxon, woman.

    Patel will clearly be (mostly) judged on how she does her job. I think she's doing quite well, and I think she'll improve. I somewhat vaguely think she may be next PM, but I'm very sure she's doing great things for our perceptions as to prejudices with every minute that she serves.

    "I think she's doing quite well"

    Aside from being short, female and Asian, which really doesn't add weight to one side of the scales or another, what has she done since becoming Home Secretary?
    You can skip the bullying part and the not being fired for the bullying, I'm well versed in that.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    AP - Nevada Supreme Court certifies POTOS results
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125

    Spoiler Alert: This government isn't very good.
    What I’m wondering is how much overtime the police are going to screw out of them to make even a pretence at enforcing this.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    All I can hear right now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe8tCcHnKY

    Which is a joy because Mr Meeks earwormed me this morning with some Europop that I had repressed.
    The bone being thrown into the air and coming down as a spaceship was a cinematic transition device that Kubrick took from Powell and Pressburger’s ‘A Canterbury Tale’.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963
    Carnyx said:

    Not 1: 4 : 9 t/w/h ratio, though.
    Wow, serious respect for the nerdiness of that. Superb.
  • I'm waiting for the Ken Burns documentary series on Trump.
    He's already done it: the Civil War.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963
    I think all we can hope is that the aliens don't arrive before 20th January. I mean, that would just be embarrassing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    Roy_G_Biv said:

    "I think she's doing quite well"

    Aside from being short, female and Asian, which really doesn't add weight to one side of the scales or another, what has she done since becoming Home Secretary?
    You can skip the bullying part and the not being fired for the bullying, I'm well versed in that.
    Mainly stayed in the job.

    Home Secretary is a post that has trashed many careers. Some slight evidence that she's got some support within the civil service too I think.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    DavidL said:

    I think all we can hope is that the aliens don't arrive before 20th January. I mean, that would just be embarrassing.

    They’ll be there at exactly noon.

    Well, they want to pick up their sleeper agent for debrief at the earliest possible moment.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    This Beeb report seems to imply that restaurants and pubs will be closed over the Christmas bubble period :

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55064962
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited November 2020
    Devi Shridar on Channel 4 News again. She always seems to talk sense about the virus, but I have to say my faith in her judgement is rather undermined by the fact that she has a banksy illustration on her living room wall,
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    I assume she has resigned presumably because Mr Ross is not Brexity/Johnsonian enough and he is being in such poor taste as to support SNP Gmt pox restrictions.

    https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1331293521484124160

    But she's a List MSP so it's entirely up to the party to boot her out. Too little time and too difficult with the pox for by-elections - as I suspect she has calculated. Wonder what happens in May? Maybe Mr Galloway is on the line ...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963

    Spoiler Alert: This government isn't very good.
    Damn, I was so looking forward to the second series too.
  • I'm waiting for the Ken Burns documentary series on Trump.
    There are a number of perfectly serious attempts to rank Presidents in order of merit, e.g.,

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123920/us-presidents-historian-ranking/

    Pretty sure where Donald is going to be ranked.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    DavidL said:

    Wow, serious respect for the nerdiness of that. Superb.
    Whats happened with the regional office David, Ross upsetting the team. Has he been doing a Priti.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    DavidL said:

    Damn, I was so looking forward to the second series too.
    Plenty of crap things get a second season.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,017

    No.

    I was disgusted by both Farage and May and so torn how to vote. Tempted to spoil my ballot.

    In the end I lent my vote to the BXP as a protest vote to get rid of May. Because May was PM and Farage was an inconsequential nobody. It also had the nice side effect.of getting rid of Farage too.

    In my shoes what else should I have done?
    Well, certainly not voted for somebody who disgusted you.
    What sort of twisted logic led to that?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited November 2020
    Trump has entered the second stage of grief.

    Will the PB Trumptonites follow?
  • DavidL said:

    I think all we can hope is that the aliens don't arrive before 20th January. I mean, that would just be embarrassing.

    Yes, you can imagine the scene:

    'That is your Leader? Really?'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    There are a number of perfectly serious attempts to rank Presidents in order of merit, e.g.,

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123920/us-presidents-historian-ranking/

    Pretty sure where Donald is going to be ranked.
    There's five of them listed as worse than William Henry Harrison, who was only in office for 30 days. That's either a generous 'default' ranking or they must have been terrible presidents.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    Omnium said:

    Mainly stayed in the job.

    Home Secretary is a post that has trashed many careers. Some slight evidence that she's got some support within the civil service too I think.

    Much less so since Justice was spun off thirteen years ago. There have been six Home Secretaries in that time of whom only one has lasted less than a year and only one (Amber Rudd) has had to resign over failings within the department. Three have - unusually - gone on to a more senior position (two to Treasury briefs and one to No. 10).
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,272
    kinabalu said:

    Not a theory I want to accept - and I don't - but it is definitely possible. It was closer than I thought it'd be so would he have won without Covid? Maybe. Thankfully we'll never know. I don't want to think about it too much tbh. Be like dwelling on that lorry that nearly ploughed into me on the M25 that time. Technical objection though. I would not say unlucky. I'd more say that if he somehow got through his 4 years without a big, high viz crisis coming along to expose him, that would have made him a very fortunate orange-hued wannabe fascist indeed.
    Thanks for responding to my post. I thought it would produce a larger response TBH. I think you are clutching at straws though.

    I`ve looked back and my first lays of Trump were 22 January. Then I doubled down early Feb - all before Covid - then doubled down a few more times post-Covid. And I backed Biden and Dems on top. Overall my biggest ever exposure by a mile.

    They would all have lost if it wasn`t for Covid. I don`t doubt it. Not for a second.

    How close was it? It would have only taken a few thousand to have turned, say, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin. Or Georgia and Pennsylvania. I don`t mean few thousand more Trump votes. I mean a few thousand less Biden votes. What proportion of 2016 turnout was postal? What proportion of turnout in 2020 was postal? I don`t know these figures - but I don`t need to check. He`d have won tidily.

    Dodged a bullet; makes me feel sick thinking about it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,963
    ydoethur said:

    They’ll be there at exactly noon.

    Well, they want to pick up their sleeper agent for debrief at the earliest possible moment.
    Christ, if their idea of a sleeper agent is Donald Trump we are in serious trouble.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,596
    edited November 2020
    kle4 said:

    There's five of them listed as worse than William Henry Harrison, who was only in office for 30 days. That's either a generous 'default' ranking or they must have been terrible presidents.
    The bar is indeed very low, but I think it is going to get lower on the next update.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    kle4 said:

    There's five of them listed as worse than William Henry Harrison, who was only in office for 30 days. That's either a generous 'default' ranking or they must have been terrible presidents.
    Well, Harrison may not have done anything very brilliant, but nor did he do anything very terrible. His one serious misjudgement was to speak for too long at his inauguration.

    Some of the others, however, did no good at all but didn’t quite manage the ‘nothing very terrible’ bit.
  • Omnium said:

    Mainly stayed in the job.

    Home Secretary is a post that has trashed many careers. Some slight evidence that she's got some support within the civil service too I think.

    "Some slight evidence that she's got some support within the civil service too I think."

    Finally, someone to be spoken of in the same breath as Vespasian, Qin Shi Huang, King Alfred.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    There are a number of perfectly serious attempts to rank Presidents in order of merit, e.g.,

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123920/us-presidents-historian-ranking/

    Pretty sure where Donald is going to be ranked.
    Undoubtedly the worst president in history.

    Electorally, he’s a loser, having lost the presidency after just four years of his party in power and lost the popular vote twice in succession.

    Has any other president achieved that unenviable feat? @HYUFD
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    Stocky said:

    Thanks for responding to my post. I thought it would produce a larger response TBH. I think you are clutching at straws though.

    I`ve looked back and my first lays of Trump were 22 January. Then I doubled down early Feb - all before Covid - then doubled down a few more times post-Covid. And I backed Biden and Dems on top. Overall my biggest ever exposure by a mile.

    They would all have lost if it wasn`t for Covid. I don`t doubt it. Not for a second.

    How close was it? It would have only taken a few thousand to have turned, say, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin. Or Georgia and Pennsylvania. I don`t mean few thousand more Trump votes. I mean a few thousand less Biden votes. What proportion of 2016 turnout was postal? What proportion of turnout in 2020 was postal? I don`t know these figures - but I don`t need to check. He`d have won tidily.

    Dodged a bullet; makes me feel sick thinking about it.
    Could have been worse. You could have backed Bernie...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877

    The bone being thrown into the air and coming down as a spaceship was a cinematic transition device that Kubrick took from Powell and Pressburger’s ‘A Canterbury Tale’.
    The bone thrown into the air etc was supposed to be coming down as an orbiting nuclear weapon.

    The whole humans-haven't-changed thing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    Roy_G_Biv said:

    "Some slight evidence that she's got some support within the civil service too I think."

    Finally, someone to be spoken of in the same breath as Vespasian, Qin Shi Huang, King Alfred.
    I don't know about Vespasian or Alfred, but I feel confident in stating that Qin Shi Huang was probably at least a bit more of a bully than Patel, in fairness.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    ydoethur said:

    Much less so since Justice was spun off thirteen years ago. There have been six Home Secretaries in that time of whom only one has lasted less than a year and only one (Amber Rudd) has had to resign over failings within the department. Three have - unusually - gone on to a more senior position (two to Treasury briefs and one to No. 10).
    Place your bets!
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    There are a number of perfectly serious attempts to rank Presidents in order of merit, e.g.,

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123920/us-presidents-historian-ranking/

    Pretty sure where Donald is going to be ranked.
    Yes, clear who the Sheffield United is in that list.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349

    Undoubtedly the worst president in history.

    Electorally, he’s a loser, having lost the presidency after just four years of his party in power and lost the popular vote twice in succession.

    Has any other president achieved that unenviable feat? @HYUFD
    Benjamin Harrison was president for four years but lost the popular vote twice in succession.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125

    Undoubtedly the worst president in history.

    Electorally, he’s a loser, having lost the presidency after just four years of his party in power and lost the popular vote twice in succession.

    Has any other president achieved that unenviable feat? @HYUFD
    Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and 1892
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited November 2020

    The bone thrown into the air etc was supposed to be coming down as an orbiting nuclear weapon.

    The whole humans-haven't-changed thing.
    More specifically: remaining in orbiut - but then that is a perpetual fall in a sense. [sorry, ignore, I misread]

    It's rather unusual in a SF film in not dating that much visually, though the spacecraft is much too tidy by modern standards (admittedly that is not too difficult by comparison with the ISS).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877

    Yes, I'd hope it would spread out to that group quickly (and I agree with you that polls tend to divide us unhelpfully into two camps), though I suppose that logistically it's easiest to do all of one group and then move on. Philip says it's been decided that health/care workers will be done first - is that right? I saw the various groups identified in the Government announcement, but thought it said that priorities had not yet been decided?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

    Order.....

    older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
    all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
    all those 75 years of age and over
    all those 70 years of age and over
    all those 65 years of age and over
    high-risk adults under 65 years of age
    moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
    all those 60 years of age and over
    all those 55 years of age and over
    all those 50 years of age and over
    rest of the population (priority to be determined)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    DavidL said:

    Wow, serious respect for the nerdiness of that. Superb.
    And you spotted it. Impressive.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    edited November 2020
    On vaccinations my priority list would be:

    NHS front line staff
    Pharmacists
    Care workers
    Front line school and university workers
    Dentists

    Then go onto the rest of the list of old people etc...

    All of these people are in the front line and are most likely to get and spread the virus. Our vaccine deployment starting with old people and not NHS staff makes absolutely no sense, the government are letting "must save all lives at any cost" dictate this policy but risking a much longer term cost of having a higher R.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Betfair reportedly close to paying out on the result of the Battle of Gettysburg.
    They did Saratoga last year.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    kle4 said:

    Benjamin Harrison was president for four years but lost the popular vote twice in succession.
    Making Grover Cleveland the first of just two presidents to win the popular vote in three presidential elections.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,464
    ydoethur said:

    Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and 1892
    By today's standards, I'd say Buchanan was much worse, failing to stop the United States' slide into civil war. Also Andrew Jackson, who was an unapologetic and active advocate of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125

    Betfair reportedly close to paying out on the result of the Battle of Gettysburg.
    Only after they saw a Pickett.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877

    Yes, you can imagine the scene:

    'That is your Leader? Really?'

    Yes, you can imagine the scene:

    'That is your Leader? Really?'
    {Yautja}"You don't mind that we ripped your leaders head off as a trophy? This is not how this usually goes...."{/Yautja}
  • Betfair reportedly close to paying out on the result of the Battle of Gettysburg.
    I bet they waited for four months until Lincoln's address at Gettysburg before paying out.

    That's when the Army Of The Potomac was officially projected to have won.
  • ydoethur said:

    I’ll call him irrelevant when the nuclear football is safely in Biden’s hands without all of us having been blown up. Not before.
    Likewise. Although to be honest I can't see the military carrying out a strike order from Trump now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    edited November 2020
    Fishing said:

    By today's standards, I'd say Buchanan was much worse, failing to stop the United States' slide into civil war. Also Andrew Jackson, who was an unapologetic and active advocate of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
    He didn’t run for re-election. The largest part of the Democrats put up his Veep (Breckinridge) instead.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,398
    MaxPB said:

    On vaccinations my priority list would be:

    NHS front line staff
    Pharmacists
    Care workers
    Front line school and university workers
    Dentists

    Then go onto the rest of the list of old people etc...

    All of these people are in the front line and are most likely to get and spread the virus. Our vaccine deployment starting with old people and not NHS staff makes absolutely no sense, the government are letting "must save all lives at any cost" dictate this policy but risking a much longer term cost of having a higher R.

    My fear is there will be a "VIP" of vaccination. That includes, I imagine, the Queen and Prince Philip as well as presumably Charles and Camilla. I can live with that but I wouldn't like to see celebrities and politicians vaccinated before care workers and NHS workers - the notion money or celebrity moves you up the pecking order is reprehensible.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,442

    The bone thrown into the air etc was supposed to be coming down as an orbiting nuclear weapon.

    The whole humans-haven't-changed thing.
    Was never obvious on screen.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Trump: The Biggest Loser Since 1892
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    ydoethur said:

    He didn’t run for re-election. The largest part of the Democrats put up his Veep (Breckinridge) instead.
    More should try that. Ok they can find plenty to do out of office and they're probably sick of the Senate, but relatively young people can be president and it need not be an end to formal office.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125

    Trump: The Biggest Loser Since 1892

    Now come on. Taft actually came third in 1912.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,349
    stodge said:

    My fear is there will be a "VIP" of vaccination. That includes, I imagine, the Queen and Prince Philip as well as presumably Charles and Camilla. I can live with that but I wouldn't like to see celebrities and politicians vaccinated before care workers and NHS workers - the notion money or celebrity moves you up the pecking order is reprehensible.
    MPs should be VIPs, but I imagine would be petrified of listing themselves as such.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Stocky said:

    Thanks for responding to my post. I thought it would produce a larger response TBH. I think you are clutching at straws though.

    I`ve looked back and my first lays of Trump were 22 January. Then I doubled down early Feb - all before Covid - then doubled down a few more times post-Covid. And I backed Biden and Dems on top. Overall my biggest ever exposure by a mile.

    They would all have lost if it wasn`t for Covid. I don`t doubt it. Not for a second.

    How close was it? It would have only taken a few thousand to have turned, say, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin. Or Georgia and Pennsylvania. I don`t mean few thousand more Trump votes. I mean a few thousand less Biden votes. What proportion of 2016 turnout was postal? What proportion of turnout in 2020 was postal? I don`t know these figures - but I don`t need to check. He`d have won tidily.

    Dodged a bullet; makes me feel sick thinking about it.
    We came very close to a 269-269 tie with Biden only picking up PA, MI and NE-2 from 2016
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Was never obvious on screen.
    No, apart from the military emblems on the craft - IIRC?

    Perhaps the then rather shockiung use of the Blue Danube waltz for the orbiting nukes also attracted the attention.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Was never obvious on screen.
    Yes, it is clear from Clarke's novelization, and if you get a sufficiently hi-res digital version of the film on your PC, you can see the models carry military markings
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877

    Was never obvious on screen.
    Nope - it was in the script and in interviews Kubrick did, IIRC.
  • People from Lancashire are bloody weird. Must have some Welsh blood in them.

    A ‘SORDID’ father-of-two who would creep into a poultry farm at night to have sex with chickens used to apologise to the animals afterwards.

    Shane Waters, who has previously been convicted of having sex with a horse and a donkey, admitted in his police interview that he could not control his ‘urges’ when it came to sexual intercourse with animals.

    Burnley Crown Court also heard that the 40-year-old admitted to having sex with his own dog, a Great Dane, despite the fact she would bite him while he was doing so.


    https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/18886830.dad-of-two-jailed-sex-chickens-accrington-farm/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550
    Stocky said:

    Thanks for responding to my post. I thought it would produce a larger response TBH. I think you are clutching at straws though.

    I`ve looked back and my first lays of Trump were 22 January. Then I doubled down early Feb - all before Covid - then doubled down a few more times post-Covid. And I backed Biden and Dems on top. Overall my biggest ever exposure by a mile.

    They would all have lost if it wasn`t for Covid. I don`t doubt it. Not for a second.

    How close was it? It would have only taken a few thousand to have turned, say, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin. Or Georgia and Pennsylvania. I don`t mean few thousand more Trump votes. I mean a few thousand less Biden votes. What proportion of 2016 turnout was postal? What proportion of turnout in 2020 was postal? I don`t know these figures - but I don`t need to check. He`d have won tidily.

    Dodged a bullet; makes me feel sick thinking about it.
    Yes there were 5 founder members of TrumpToast and you and I were of that select band. Perhaps we were more lucky than astute. I'm not going that far - he was hated by so many - but I will allow the possibility. My bets were big too - many thousands of pounds - yet when it looked like it might be going wrong I gave that aspect very little thought. It was dwarfed by the potential political angst. I have NEVER felt so strongly about the outcome of an election. Not the EU Ref. Not any British GE. Never.

    Phew.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877

    I bet they waited for four months until Lincoln's address at Gettysburg before paying out.

    That's when the Army Of The Potomac was officially projected to have won.
    Have they paid out for who won at Cannae yet?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    stodge said:

    My fear is there will be a "VIP" of vaccination. That includes, I imagine, the Queen and Prince Philip as well as presumably Charles and Camilla. I can live with that but I wouldn't like to see celebrities and politicians vaccinated before care workers and NHS workers - the notion money or celebrity moves you up the pecking order is reprehensible.
    I think most of those people will get grey market private supplies of the Moderna vaccine. A guy I know at a movie studio is involved with purchasing enough vaccine supply from wherever they can to get the whole backlot vaccinated and resume full production for movies and TV shows. I don't think they will wait for the NHS vaccine.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Have they paid out for who won at Cannae yet?
    They're still arguing about which australopithecine with a bone won.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667



    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

    Order.....

    older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
    all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
    all those 75 years of age and over
    all those 70 years of age and over
    all those 65 years of age and over
    high-risk adults under 65 years of age
    moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
    all those 60 years of age and over
    all those 55 years of age and over
    all those 50 years of age and over
    rest of the population (priority to be determined)

    Thanks, yes - I remember (priority to be determined) as a separate line meaning that the sequencing was not yet decided. Looks reasonable.
  • Carnyx said:

    More specifically: remaining in orbiut - but then that is a perpetual fall in a sense. [sorry, ignore, I misread]

    It's rather unusual in a SF film in not dating that much visually, though the spacecraft is much too tidy by modern standards (admittedly that is not too difficult by comparison with the ISS).
    I particularly liked the video phone call near the start. Back in the day we wondered how much it cost. No-one thought it would be free.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877

    Nope - it was in the script and in interviews Kubrick did, IIRC.
    Fun fact

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2012/07/07/the-2001-monolith-is-on-display-by-tower-bridge/

    I used to live round the corner - was a fun thing to point out to friends visiting....
  • Have they paid out for who won at Cannae yet?
    They have.

    Paddy Power did an early payout for Carthage winning the Second Punic War.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125

    People from Lancashire are bloody weird. Must have some Welsh blood in them.

    A ‘SORDID’ father-of-two who would creep into a poultry farm at night to have sex with chickens used to apologise to the animals afterwards.

    Shane Waters, who has previously been convicted of having sex with a horse and a donkey, admitted in his police interview that he could not control his ‘urges’ when it came to sexual intercourse with animals.

    Burnley Crown Court also heard that the 40-year-old admitted to having sex with his own dog, a Great Dane, despite the fact she would bite him while he was doing so.


    https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/18886830.dad-of-two-jailed-sex-chickens-accrington-farm/

    Why are you so anti-Welsh today? Have we beaten you at rugby again?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Fun fact

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2012/07/07/the-2001-monolith-is-on-display-by-tower-bridge/

    I used to live round the corner - was a fun thing to point out to friends visiting....
    Oh, that's wonderful. I must tell my London friends (one of whom we used to call Space 1999 at school for the obvious reason).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Another way of looking at the “Trump was unlucky” thing.

    He had a massive advantage as a giveaway populist with an enabling Trumptonite senate, and blew everything by deliberately being a) a divisive moron and b) a covid denialist.

    Rather than unlucky, he had everything going for him, and was master of his own downfall.

    I thought he’d win.

    I was wrong.
  • ydoethur said:

    Why are you so anti-Welsh today? Have we beaten you at rugby again?
    I've been very pro Welsh today, I pointed out that Mark Drakeford has handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than Boris Johnson.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    edited November 2020

    His wife must have had an amazing hen party.
    You’ve now made me wonder about that stag do...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125

    I've been very pro Welsh today, I pointed out that Mark Drakeford has handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than Boris Johnson.
    That’s hardly pro-Welsh, it’s the equivalent of saying somebody is less of a xenophobic bully than Ian Blackford.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    ydoethur said:

    Only after they saw a Pickett.
    Flying Pickets? - Only You would post that .... :smile:
  • kinabalu said:

    Yes there were 5 founder members of TrumpToast and you and I were of that select band. Perhaps we were more lucky than astute. I'm not going that far - he was hated by so many - but I will allow the possibility. My bets were big too - many thousands of pounds - yet when it looked like it might be going wrong I gave that aspect very little thought. It was dwarfed by the potential political angst. I have NEVER felt so strongly about the outcome of an election. Not the EU Ref. Not any British GE. Never.

    Phew.
    There were times when I felt quite sick at what was happening, and it had nothing to do with betting losses. (I bailed out when I saw how Florida was going and settled for a small loss.)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Have they paid out for who won at Cannae yet?
    Any specific relevance other than antiquity? In which case the Battle of Megiddo 1457 BC seems to be the benchmark. And that took seven months to get a clear result, with Thutmose III probably priced around 1.02 most of that time.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited November 2020
    JACK_W said:

    AP - Nevada Supreme Court certifies POTOS results

    Still no settlement from betfair.

    What a joke.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    JACK_W said:

    Flying Pickets? - Only You would post that .... :smile:
    No charge.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,125
    IshmaelZ said:

    Any specific relevance other than antiquity? In which case the Battle of Megiddo 1457 BC seems to be the benchmark. And that took seven months to get a clear result, with Thutmose III probably priced around 1.02 most of that time.
    The Wars of the Roses would actually blow your mind - it took 35 years to get a clear result.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,877
    IshmaelZ said:

    Any specific relevance other than antiquity? In which case the Battle of Megiddo 1457 BC seems to be the benchmark. And that took seven months to get a clear result, with Thutmose III probably priced around 1.02 most of that time.
    I've just checked - the book on Jebel Sahaba is still open. Apparently, no clear winner....
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,877
    edited November 2020
    stodge said:

    My fear is there will be a "VIP" of vaccination. That includes, I imagine, the Queen and Prince Philip as well as presumably Charles and Camilla. I can live with that but I wouldn't like to see celebrities and politicians vaccinated before care workers and NHS workers - the notion money or celebrity moves you up the pecking order is reprehensible.
    The more criteria you add the more difficult it will be to get to the right people. Age is the easiest thing for the NHS to know about, and the simplest to organise by.

    By the time you've worked out who is a 'front line school worker' you could have vaccinated 100k people. It isn't worth the effort trying to work it out.

    Besides, as soon as you make a list like that, you generate questions. Do care workers include the hidden army caring for their own relatives? Should bus drivers be on that list because they were badly affected in the first wave? What about supermarket workers?

    Just get on with it by age, and do it as fast as possible. Include NHS workers, especially those actually doing the vaccination. They aren't too difficult, because they can organise it amongst themselves.

    As for the royals, I should think Prince Philip will be in the top few thousand by age anyway. And Charlie has already had the lurgy.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    The Wars of the Roses would actually blow your mind - it took 35 years to get a clear result.
    And don't get me started on the Hundred Years' War, nor upset TSE by telling him who won.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,272
    kinabalu said:

    Yes there were 5 founder members of TrumpToast and you and I were of that select band. Perhaps we were more lucky than astute. I'm not going that far - he was hated by so many - but I will allow the possibility. My bets were big too - many thousands of pounds - yet when it looked like it might be going wrong I gave that aspect very little thought. It was dwarfed by the potential political angst. I have NEVER felt so strongly about the outcome of an election. Not the EU Ref. Not any British GE. Never.

    Phew.
    Did you bail out at all on election night? I chopped about a third of my bets in at 2.30 am. Kicking myself now. I saw Florida coming in and became convinced that Trump would do it and panicked. That little exercise cost me over £2500. If I`d have fallen asleep on the sofa like I normally do I`d have ended up winning a lot more than I did.

    That`s gambling for you: sick when you lose and sick when you win because you should have had more on
  • ydoethur said:

    The Wars of the Roses would actually blow your mind - it took 35 years to get a clear result.
    I wonder what the bookies would have made of the The Hundred Years' War?

    I reckon the Maid of Orléans would have led to some markets being voided
  • The more criteria you add the more difficult it will be to get to the right people. Age is the easiest thing for the NHS to know about, and the simplest to organise by.

    By the time you've worked out who is a 'front line school worker' you could have vaccinated 100k people. It isn't worth the effort trying to work it out.

    Besides, as soon as you make a list like that, you generate questions. Do care workers include the hidden army caring for their own relatives? Should bus drivers be on that list because they were badly affected in the first wave? What about supermarket workers?

    Just get on with it by age, and do it as fast as possible. Include NHS workers, especially those actually doing the vaccination. They aren't too difficult, because they can organise it amongst themselves.

    As for the royals, I should think Prince Philip will be in the top few thousand by age anyway. And Charlie has already had the lurgy.
    I really don't mind, as long as I get mine before JackW.
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