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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    Without stacking the Supreme Court, which was probably a bad idea and now off the table, is there anything that can be done to the court eg mandatory retirement age? (Not that that might help the Dems now, with pretty young Republican appointments).

    It's just so crazy that the dems have been screwed n the court because a very old woman didn't retire at the right moment or die a few months later. The justices themselves should not worry about working when ill or mad because the wrong president is in office.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Did the PA Secretary of state just say that there were 3 million mail ballots to count?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sean_F said:

    That's a very impressive (likely ) result for Susan Collins, given she was behind in every poll.
    An incredible result.
  • Reducing my exposure to Trump at these prices - 5.4 at moment.

    Getting a bad feeling my friends.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    alex_ said:

    Did the PA Secretary of state just say that there were 3 million mail ballots to count?

    1.1 m real

    1.9m fake
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Anyone know exactly what time Farage placed his £10,000 bet on Trump? I know he likes mentioning the Brown Bottom in the gold market.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Robert, out of curiosity you suspect NV is 50/50 is that based purely on how close it is now , or do you see anything that suggests Trump can match these postal votes from Clark expected in tomorrow. I cant see Trumps path there if thats true as its being said ALL on the day votes are in. Am i missing something?
  • He knows full well. He's just trying to get the militia onto the streets.
  • RobD said:

    Up and down like a yo-yo.

    From their website Timing of results:Due to an error in a Edison Research data feed of results, the estimate of the counted vote in Arizona is too high. The actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted.
    I'm a getting the fear.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    MrEd said:

    90%+.........?
    If he disparaged voting that way so much, why not? What's the right proportion? He cannot discourage people voting that way then act shocked his own supporters listened.
  • alex_ said:

    How are they defining all these "legal" ballots?
    Legal: Trump X Biden -
    Illegal: Trump - Biden X
  • Trudeau doesn't have come out with some shite.

    Canada to Force Netflix, Amazon Prime to Pay for Local Content.

    Ottawa unveiled Bill C-10 to collect $800 million from foreign streaming platforms by 2023 to tell Canadian stories.

    Canada's federal government has unveiled long-awaited legislation to regulate U.S. streamers like Netflix and Disney+ and force them to pay for the production of Canadian film, TV and music product.

    The proposed amendments to the federal Broadcasting Act will create a new "online company" category and for the first time regulate global media players active in the Canadian market. The resulting obligations will include foreign players having to subsidize the development, production and distribution of local entertainment and cultural content.

    "We're asking these large and wealthy companies to invest in Canadian stories, in Canadian music, in Canadian artists," much as local cable TV providers and broadcasters already do, heritage minister Steven Guilbeault told an Ottawa press conference. He added U.S. digital platforms were already "investing in Canada," as Guilbeault did not distinguish between American and other foreign companies producing their own originals north of the border and hiring local creative and crews to do so, and investing in local content to stream on their global platforms.


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/canada-to-force-netflix-amazon-prime-to-pay-for-local-content
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Mal557 said:

    Robert, out of curiosity you suspect NV is 50/50 is that based purely on how close it is now , or do you see anything that suggests Trump can match these postal votes from Clark expected in tomorrow. I cant see Trumps path there if thats true as its being said ALL on the day votes are in. Am i missing something?

    I think provisional ballots are same day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393

    Mr. kle4, indeed, though he did sign it.

    As an aside, Marc Morris' biography has a copy of the clauses at the back.

    I read his Edward I bio, it was very good.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Failed to deliver to voters, or failed to return completed ballots for counting?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    MrEd said:

    90%+.........?
    Let's do some Maths

    In 2016, Clinton won Wayne County by 67% to 29.5%

    The mail-in ballots came in at 93% for Biden in that batch. Let's take Wayne as a proxy for all those mail-in ballots that came in terms of % in 2016.

    So, even allowing that this is a heavily Democrat county and VBM heavily favours the Democrats, you are saying it is not strange that VBMs for Trump came in at 1/4 of what was already a low share vote?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,652

    We could look at the data properly - which showed that Trump did receive votes at that time as well - or we could stare at graphs and make shit up.

    Your call.
    Agreed. I am all for scrutinising the data, it was ignoring it I was objecting to.
  • Chris said:

    He obviously needs both of those, unless he wins one of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia or Alaska.
    Alaska would be cool. I'm on the state at 7.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,073
    PA press conference - vigorously defending their election and counting process.

    Although surely thanking the “hundreds of thousands of election workers” is wrong?
  • Penn - 1m+ to count
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    edited November 2020
    Oh God, this isn't the sort of thing to lead to a rerun vote there is it? It gets dragged out enough as it is.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    TimT said:

    I take it you've never visited DC
    A few times. I wasn't wearing my MAGA hat though ;)
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    TimT said:

    I think provisional ballots are same day.
    Would need to be a lot of provisionals to offset the Clarke postals but hopefully Ralston will have some figures of whats left tomorrow. One thing he did say is no declaration of final totals there til the 5th so nothing today
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,073
    PA saying that arrival NEXT TUESDAY is the cut off for military and overseas votes to count.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    MrEd said:

    A few times. I wasn't wearing my MAGA hat though ;)
    LOL. Very wise of you
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    edited November 2020
    kle4 said:

    Without stacking the Supreme Court, which was probably a bad idea and now off the table, is there anything that can be done to the court eg mandatory retirement age? (Not that that might help the Dems now, with pretty young Republican appointments).

    It's just so crazy that the dems have been screwed n the court because a very old woman didn't retire at the right moment or die a few months later. The justices themselves should not worry about working when ill or mad because the wrong president is in office.

    Nope. Appointment for life is in the constitution.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,332
    IanB2 said:

    PA saying that arrival NEXT TUESDAY is the cut off for military and overseas votes to count.

    lol what? How about send the ballots out earlier. :D
  • MrEd said:

    90%+.........?
    I suppose it depends on whether there were many 90%+ batches of Dem votes in early voting in other close states or not.

    If these are the only ones and it just so happens that they were found later on when Biden was otherwise going to lose, then that looks suspicious to me.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,092
    Love Republican gaslighting about election impropriety. They are the absolute hypocritical scum.
  • kle4 said:

    Oh God, this isn't the sort of thing to lead to a rerun vote there is it? It gets dragged out enough as it is.
    Let's hope Biden doesn't need GA.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214

    Anyone know exactly what time Farage placed his £10,000 bet on Trump? I know he likes mentioning the Brown Bottom in the gold market.

    He backed it at 15/8 when Betfair was 3, so was probably the best value you could have got I think
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,751

    Trudeau doesn't have come out with some shite.

    Canada to Force Netflix, Amazon Prime to Pay for Local Content.

    Ottawa unveiled Bill C-10 to collect $800 million from foreign streaming platforms by 2023 to tell Canadian stories.

    Canada's federal government has unveiled long-awaited legislation to regulate U.S. streamers like Netflix and Disney+ and force them to pay for the production of Canadian film, TV and music product.

    The proposed amendments to the federal Broadcasting Act will create a new "online company" category and for the first time regulate global media players active in the Canadian market. The resulting obligations will include foreign players having to subsidize the development, production and distribution of local entertainment and cultural content.

    "We're asking these large and wealthy companies to invest in Canadian stories, in Canadian music, in Canadian artists," much as local cable TV providers and broadcasters already do, heritage minister Steven Guilbeault told an Ottawa press conference. He added U.S. digital platforms were already "investing in Canada," as Guilbeault did not distinguish between American and other foreign companies producing their own originals north of the border and hiring local creative and crews to do so, and investing in local content to stream on their global platforms.


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/canada-to-force-netflix-amazon-prime-to-pay-for-local-content

    I think one in every five songs played on Canadian radio has to be by a Canadian artist. Which leads to a really quite unnecessary amount of Bryan Adams.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Mal557 said:

    Would need to be a lot of provisionals to offset the Clarke postals but hopefully Ralston will have some figures of whats left tomorrow. One thing he did say is no declaration of final totals there til the 5th so nothing today
    I think you are right that there will not be a lot of PV, and presumably each PV needs to be scrutinized to verify that the voter is indeed eligible and has not voted by other means.

    Here is the chapeau sentence on PV in the Nevada law:

    "Section 302 of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) (42 U.S.C. §15482) creates the right for a potential voter to utilize a provisional ballot in a federal election. Nevada Revised Statute (NRS 293.3081) permits a person at a polling place to cast a provisional ballot if the person complies with the applicable provisions of NRS 293.3082 and:"
  • It's genuinely possible Biden lost in Florida due to vote rigging
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,226

    I suppose it depends on whether there were many 90%+ batches of Dem votes in early voting in other close states or not.

    If these are the only ones and it just so happens that they were found later on when Biden was otherwise going to lose, then that looks suspicious to me.
    I find it odd that you aren't just as concerned about the number of undelivered mail ballots in Florida and other places.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I suppose it depends on whether there were many 90%+ batches of Dem votes in early voting in other close states or not.

    If these are the only ones and it just so happens that they were found later on when Biden was otherwise going to lose, then that looks suspicious to me.
    Asked and answered
  • kle4 said:

    Without stacking the Supreme Court, which was probably a bad idea and now off the table, is there anything that can be done to the court eg mandatory retirement age? (Not that that might help the Dems now, with pretty young Republican appointments).

    It's just so crazy that the dems have been screwed n the court because a very old woman didn't retire at the right moment or die a few months later. The justices themselves should not worry about working when ill or mad because the wrong president is in office.

    The Dems immediate problem is that the oldest justice by same way is Breyer (age 82) on the Liberal wing.

    If the Reps control the senate it will be harder for Biden to replace him with another liberal. Of course, Breyer could hang on but then there is the risk of Ginsberg redux.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    TimT said:

    LOL. Very wise of you
    I'm stupid but not that stupid :)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,085

    Very easily done. I cut my losses at Biden just north of evens, and blew nearly £2k of profit on it.

    I could have held my nerve entirely and been up £3.1k rather than £1.2k
    I bottled it. Cashed out to cut losses, though spreads starting to look a little better now and couldn't cash out. I expect to be £250ish down on the night.

    I remember it being obvious that the initial on the day votes would be red, with a blue wave then coming in. Somehow it didn't seem so obvious in the early hours.

    Happy with the result if Biden does pull it off. Indeed a narrow win in the Great Lakes looks a lot like revenge served cold to Trump, after 2016.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,332
    edited November 2020

    It's genuinely possible Biden lost in Florida due to vote rigging

    Nowhere near, if the numbers in that table are accurate.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    I find it odd that you aren't just as concerned about the number of undelivered mail ballots in Florida and other places.
    Well, that's worrying as well. Was it they did not deliver mail-ins to people or that people returned mail-ins and these were lost.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    Reducing my exposure to Trump at these prices - 5.4 at moment.

    Getting a bad feeling my friends.

    Basically Trump is calling fraud in every state left thats close and he might lose. So even if they turn blue he's preparing the ground.
    For the first time in days NV is worrying me. The fact the Trump campaign are quoting figures as specific as 'winning by 5500' doesnt sound like just 'making noise' to me. They must have seen something specific of exactly what's left to be counted.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    David Plouffe
    @davidplouffe
    Biden’s lead is now currently bigger than Trump’s final 2016 margin in both MI and WI and is projected to grow. Estimates are his PA lead will be bigger as well. If smaller margins were good enough for Trump to collapse the Blue Wall, larger ones certainly OK to rebuild it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,092

    The Dems immediate problem is that the oldest justice by same way is Breyer (age 82) on the Liberal wing.

    If the Reps control the senate it will be harder for Biden to replace him with another liberal. Of course, Breyer could hang on but then there is the risk of Ginsberg redux.
    It doesn't really matter, the court is lost for a generation anyway.
  • Mr. kle4, I agree. His book on the Norman invasion is even better, (I was pretty pleased to snag that for just £3). If you've not read it, I strongly recommend checking it out.
  • Reducing my exposure to Trump at these prices - 5.4 at moment.

    Getting a bad feeling my friends.

    I’m starting to feel like PA and GA would be very welcome buffers now. I must admit I don’t really understand what’s outstanding in NV and AZ so I can’t really assess what is going on there.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,444
    Alistair said:

    An incredible result.
    RCP has her up by 394,000 to 329,000 with 92% counted, so she looks safe.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    CNN and David Alexrod implying that Biden will win PA.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,073
    Mal557 said:

    I have no idea why CNN say only 86% reported in AZ as of now and NYT say 98% ,

    Different denominators, remembering that the denominator is simply an estimate of how many votes there will be altogether
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    The main market is going to take weeks to settle, isn’t it?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,332
    IanB2 said:

    Different denominators, remembering that the denominator is simply an estimate of how many votes there will be altogether
    In this case it was an error in their data feed.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    MrEd said:

    Let's do some Maths

    In 2016, Clinton won Wayne County by 67% to 29.5%

    The mail-in ballots came in at 93% for Biden in that batch. Let's take Wayne as a proxy for all those mail-in ballots that came in terms of % in 2016.

    So, even allowing that this is a heavily Democrat county and VBM heavily favours the Democrats, you are saying it is not strange that VBMs for Trump came in at 1/4 of what was already a low share vote?
    But you are comparing county-wide voting rates with precinct reporting. Yes, in large cities there will be precincts with very slanted returns, as some of the rural towns supporting Trump show.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    kle4 said:

    Oh God, this isn't the sort of thing to lead to a rerun vote there is it? It gets dragged out enough as it is.
    Can someone correct me or fault my Maths?

    If Trump wins AL + PA + NC + GA + AZ, he is on 272.

    I'm going to disagree with @rcs1000 here. I think there is still a very good chance DT could snatch AZ. In that case, it is game on.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    MrEd said:

    Can someone correct me or fault my Maths?

    If Trump wins AL + PA + NC + GA + AZ, he is on 272.

    I'm going to disagree with @rcs1000 here. I think there is still a very good chance DT could snatch AZ. In that case, it is game on.
    Feck, I meant Alaska not Alabama.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    GOP now net +5 in the House. This is going to be a difficult 4 years for Biden, maybe even tougher after 2022 if the GOP take back the House, which on this showing seems likely with a Dem POTUS.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    Gaussian said:

    Nope. Appointment for life is in the constitution.
    Then I suppose the parties will try to put more pressure on 'their' older justices to retire at such a time when they can replace them. Of course, that coordination would make the partisanship all the more obvious.
  • Drutt said:

    I am very much in agreement that electoral f*ckery is bidirectional.

    The US needs to go back to the UK system:
    1. a lady in the village hall has a list
    2. she crosses you off the list and gives you a ballot paper
    3. you put an X and put it in the box
    4. someone else counts them
    5. the returning officer stands up and tells you whether your candidate beat the guy with the bucket on his head
    6. you go to PB and speculate on how it would have turned out under AV.
    I don’t even believe an election happened. Where were the live shots of counts in sports halls? Where were the reporters trying to work out which party was quietly confident based measuring heights of voting slip piles?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,195
    MaxPB said:

    GOP now net +5 in the House. This is going to be a difficult 4 years for Biden, maybe even tougher after 2022 if the GOP take back the House, which on this showing seems likely with a Dem POTUS.

    I have a bet on the GOP taking the house, assumed it was dead !
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    CNN and David Alexrod implying that Biden will win PA.

    The votes are there yes but I'm not sure they will fall high enough in every place they need to to claw back all the lead Trump has. Either way it may well be 2 or 3 days before we even get someone to 270! Let alone what happens after
  • MaxPB said:

    GOP now net +5 in the House. This is going to be a difficult 4 years for Biden, maybe even tougher after 2022 if the GOP take back the House, which on this showing seems likely with a Dem POTUS.

    Agreed. Stock market steadily moving up though - I had the close Biden disputed win without the senate as the worst result for the markets! What would have moved it down?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,226
    MrEd said:

    Can someone correct me or fault my Maths?

    If Trump wins AL + PA + NC + GA + AZ, he is on 272.

    I'm going to disagree with @rcs1000 here. I think there is still a very good chance DT could snatch AZ. In that case, it is game on.
    In 2018, the Dems were behind at the end of election night, but ended up winning by 2.5%. I would imagine a similar trend will happen this time as postals are recieved.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393

    Love Republican gaslighting about election impropriety. They are the absolute hypocritical scum.

    That's my favourite type of scum.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    I don’t get the anger about votes received after polling day not counting.

    Seems obvious to me.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    In 2018, the Dems were behind at the end of election night, but ended up winning by 2.5%. I would imagine a similar trend will happen this time as postals are recieved.
    Possibly but 2018's dynamic looks to be way different from 2020
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,444
    MaxPB said:

    GOP now net +5 in the House. This is going to be a difficult 4 years for Biden, maybe even tougher after 2022 if the GOP take back the House, which on this showing seems likely with a Dem POTUS.

    The Republican should gain 10 - 12 seats in the House, cutting the Democratic majority to 11-15.
    Trump might well appeal to felons.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Interesting snippet. I arrived in the US in January 1992. Only 1 Justice on SCOTUS remains from that time - Clarence Thomas.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Mal557 said:

    Basically Trump is calling fraud in every state left thats close and he might lose. So even if they turn blue he's preparing the ground.
    For the first time in days NV is worrying me. The fact the Trump campaign are quoting figures as specific as 'winning by 5500' doesnt sound like just 'making noise' to me. They must have seen something specific of exactly what's left to be counted.
    Yes, feels like something is happening there and they have an idea of the vote.

    I'm kicking myself I listened to Ralston. My thesis was that, given the dependence of the state on tourism and events, enough voters - especially Hispanic workers - would flip.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    kle4 said:

    Then I suppose the parties will try to put more pressure on 'their' older justices to retire at such a time when they can replace them. Of course, that coordination would make the partisanship all the more obvious.
    Only works when you control the senate as well, otherwise the other lot can just reject or delay appointments until the next election.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,194
    edited November 2020
    ping said:

    I don’t get the anger about votes received after polling day not counting.

    Seems obvious to me.
    Its clearly fine if thats the rule. Id be in favour of changing rules to that for future elections.

    But if the rule is they need to be sent by election day, thats the rule, whether its a good rule or not. One party cant just demand they change the rules post election and be taken seriously as believing in democracy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,226
    MrEd said:

    Possibly but 2018's dynamic looks to be way different from 2020
    The key here is that there are still mail in votes to be recieved and they will be overwhelmingly for Biden.

    So while there is some in-person in Arizona to count that benefits Trump, I can't see it being anywhere near enough.

    Biden +4 would be my estimate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    ping said:

    I don’t get the anger about votes received after polling day not counting.

    Seems obvious to me.
    Well it seems an odd rule to me, but if in various states the rule is they must be posted by or on election day and so of course would arrive late you kind of have to could them. Though ensuring everyone gets it in time to mail on time (so good postal service) or hand in in person is better.
  • TimT said:

    Interesting snippet. I arrived in the US in January 1992. Only 1 Justice on SCOTUS remains from that time - Clarence Thomas.

    Weird to think that between 1994 and 2005 there were no changes to SCOTUS.
  • So is 269 - 269 still doable?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,900

    Alaska would be cool. I'm on the state at 7.
    Mentioned for completeness only :-)
  • So is 269 - 269 still doable?

    No, I don’t think so.
  • So is 269 - 269 still doable?

    No, I don't think so.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Pulpstar said:

    I have a bet on the GOP taking the house, assumed it was dead !
    They won't do it this time, can't see them picking up another 10 gains which is what they would need to get a majority, but they're probably favourites for a house majority in 2022. Biden will be lame duck having to deal with a Republican senate and house.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,092
    MrEd said:

    Possibly but 2018's dynamic looks to be way different from 2020
    Considering you spent half the night telling us that Virginia was going to go for Trump, I think I'll take your projections with a pinch of salt.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 111
    ping said:

    I don’t get the anger about votes received after polling day not counting.

    Seems obvious to me.
    Is it also fair that if you are told that voting on the day is ok, then for that to be discounted after the election? The rules are there and they are not the same as the UK. Changing them after the vote is corruption.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Sean_F said:

    The Republican should gain 10 - 12 seats in the House, cutting the Democratic majority to 11-15. Trump might well appeal to felons.
    Are any of the theoretical future charges against Trump likely to result in him becoming more personally acquainted with Floridian felons?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited November 2020

    No, I don’t think so.
    Jynx!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    Gaussian said:

    Only works when you control the senate as well, otherwise the other lot can just reject or delay appointments until the next election.
    Absolutely, the timing would have to be very precise if you even got such a guaranteed opportunity.

    Or just collectively agree working judges to death and a system encouraging them to pick a partisan moment to retire is not good
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Drutt said:

    I am very much in agreement that electoral f*ckery is bidirectional.

    The US needs to go back to the UK system:
    1. a lady in the village hall has a list
    2. she crosses you off the list and gives you a ballot paper
    3. you put an X and put it in the box
    4. someone else counts them
    5. the returning officer stands up and tells you whether your candidate beat the guy with the bucket on his head
    6. you go to PB and speculate on how it would have turned out under AV.
    Well yes, but most UK elections happen in neighbourhoods the size of say West Ham or a Midlands council district. Maine, that little dot on the map, is the size of Scotland. It is also true that UK parties find it much harder to suppress the other sides' voters by making the system intentionally terrible.
  • Starry said:

    Is it also fair that if you are told that voting on the day is ok, then for that to be discounted after the election? The rules are there and they are not the same as the UK. Changing them after the vote is corruption.
    Also when the USPS has been fiddled with to ensure that ballots can end up being posted then spending days or weeks there without being delivered.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    MrEd said:

    Yes, feels like something is happening there and they have an idea of the vote.

    I'm kicking myself I listened to Ralston. My thesis was that, given the dependence of the state on tourism and events, enough voters - especially Hispanic workers - would flip.
    To be fair it wasnt just Ralston saying this, several networks when discussing whats' left said the same about all is just a few Clark postal votes, but frustratingly no one drilled down into the counties to see exactly what is really left and where.

    I think in all the excitement for the rust belts swinging back to Biden, NV got forgotten as 'its only 6 votes' but it does change the path for both if it does flip. Hopefully later Ralston will post whats still to be counted for the whole county and that will tell us much more. But clearly Trumps campaign think they have around +15000 votes to what the dems have still to come in. Who knows,,,,
  • So is 269 - 269 still doable?

    Anything is possible once you introduce faithless electors. Great system!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,444
    Endillion said:

    Are any of the theoretical future charges against Trump likely to result in him becoming more personally acquainted with Floridian felons?
    Hopefully, he'll spend some time with other visitors to Orgy Island.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Considering you spent half the night telling us that Virginia was going to go for Trump, I think I'll take your projections with a pinch of salt.
    Mmmm, actually I didn't. What I asked was did anyone know what was going on as the early vote looked odd. CNN also raised it several times.

    There are many things you could accuse me of, that it not one of them. For a law student, you seem quite sloppy in your looking at evidence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,393
    MaxPB said:

    They won't do it this time, can't see them picking up another 10 gains which is what they would need to get a majority, but they're probably favourites for a house majority in 2022. Biden will be lame duck having to deal with a Republican senate and house.
    That'll be for 2024 candidate Jesus Rustbelt Hispanicwoman to deal with.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,444

    Anything is possible once you introduce faithless electors. Great system!
    Maybe Trump will just bribe electors to switch to him,
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,092
    MrEd said:

    Mmmm, actually I didn't. What I asked was did anyone know what was going on as the early vote looked odd. CNN also raised it several times.

    There are many things you could accuse me of, that it not one of them. For a law student, you seem quite sloppy in your looking at evidence.
    Yes you did. For hours. It was tiresome and embarrassing.
  • So is 269 - 269 still doable?

    Yes. Trump starts with 213.
    Alaska +3
    Georgia +16
    North Carolina +15
    Nevada +6
    Michigan +16
    Trump 269
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,420
    rcs1000 said:

    There was a big vote for the independent in Maine, that the pollsters don't seem to have picked up on.

    That being said, we're only 70% counted in the Senate race there. If it's the postals that are still to be counted, then she could still lose. My guess - FWIW - is that it will end up 48.5 - 46.0, and that Collins will get around half of Savage's transfers.

    I think Collins' vote against ACB is what probably saved her.
    A typically self serving piece of theatre, but effective.
  • I've just been out for three hours. What's moving the PA betting?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,073
    edited November 2020
    alex_ said:

    Did the PA Secretary of state just say that there were 3 million mail ballots to count?

    But they also thanked their “hundreds of thousands” of election workers. An unkind observer might wonder whether counting was their strong point.
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