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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,317

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    Which means that Biden's big lead is not really a big lead?
    Yes.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    Travis County (Austin) 2016

    Trump 127,209 (27.14%)
    Clinton 308,260 (65.77%)

    90% Reporting 2020

    Trump 139,891 (25.4%)
    Biden 402,495 (73%)
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,477
    The result in Florida percentage-wise looks almost like a carbon copy of last time.
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    MaxPB said:

    I still don't see Biden winning Texas.

    Close but no cigar.

    Doesn't help my spreadbets.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    Biden lead back up to 3% in Texas as Austin comes in strong.

    62% reported.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    I've not seen the 'needles' before how accurate are they? Are they the gold standard to follow? If so the Dems positivity about Georgia look wrong
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    I think Brits have the problem that because Trump is an arsehole it means they think it must be a slam dunk against him in the USA.

    That's not how Americans think.

    What were you predicting?
    A very clear Biden win. I didn't predict ECVs, but I thought they'd be north of 320.
    We will see where we end up but I am sure you will hold your hands up if you're wrong :)
    It's not about being right and wrong, and that's why I didn't predict ECVs and only bought Biden at 285.

    There a huge MoE in ECVs from the 270s to 400s+ and it depends on narrow results in several swing states.
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Quincel said:

    gealbhan said:

    What’s with all this writing off Florida? It’s leaning Biden.
    Remember Trump surprises in dem territory with white male voters of working age. But can surprise adversely in GOP territory with moderate conservative demographics...

    Panhandle almost the only place yet to count, it's all Trump votes.
    You sure? 😉
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Lot of Biden TX votes just came in, +4.6% with 61% reporting.
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    I think Brits have the problem that because Trump is an arsehole it means they think it must be a slam dunk against him in the USA.

    That's not how Americans think.

    A good deal of Biden's campaign seemed to be based on that premise: Trump's an arse so vote for Biden. I did earlier suggest there is a difference between Trump as Head of Government and Trump as Head of State, and that voters might, at least pre-Covid, think Trump was doing pretty well on the economy and not starting any more wars, even while deploring the lack of decorum in the Oval Office.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,674

    Travis County (Austin) 2016

    Trump 127,209 (27.14%)
    Clinton 308,260 (65.77%)

    90% Reporting 2020

    Trump 139,891 (25.4%)
    Biden 402,495 (73%)

    Needs quite a few like that though.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,715
    HYUFD said:

    I don't think Biden will win Texas on these numbers. They aren't enough.

    No but it should ensure Biden wins the national popular vote getting so close in Texas even if Trump still narrowly wins its EC votes
    Looks like you called this well HYUFD. On a knife edge.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,477

    I think Brits have the problem that because Trump is an arsehole it means they think it must be a slam dunk against him in the USA.

    That's not how Americans think.

    I remember being in Florida in the 1990s and they love "positivity" and hate negative thinking, no matter how childish that seems to Europeans.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    Mal557 said:

    I've not seen the 'needles' before how accurate are they? Are they the gold standard to follow? If so the Dems positivity about Georgia look wrong

    They were good in 2016 I think.
    And they seem to have done well in Florida this time...
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    538 reporting that the Democrat senate candidate is running 2% worse than Biden in NC. If so, that would probably make the Reps favourite to narrowly hold the senate
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    I've deleveraged a bit from Biden on Betfair.

    Not going to clean up like I thought I might.

    I have done a partial reverse ferret too.

    I'm holding firm. Just. Narrow Biden win looks most likely to me.
    Me too but at the end of the day he does need to flip states not just come close.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    gealbhan said:

    What’s with all this writing off Florida? It’s leaning Biden.
    Remember Trump surprises in dem territory with white male voters of working age. But can surprise adversely in GOP territory with moderate conservative demographics...

    Florida is being written off because, erm, Trump is leading and almost all the votes have been counted
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    Biden lead back up to 3% in Texas as Austin comes in strong.

    62% reported.

    In raw vote terms the lead just doesn't seem big enough with so many red counties still to come.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    Travis County (Austin) 2016

    Trump 127,209 (27.14%)
    Clinton 308,260 (65.77%)

    90% Reporting 2020

    Trump 139,891 (25.4%)
    Biden 402,495 (73%)

    Close but no cigar
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911
    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    To be clear, does that mean in person vote today is FAR higher than was expected?

    OR

    Another half of the EV is expected.....?
    Another half to come.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Mal557 said:

    I've not seen the 'needles' before how accurate are they? Are they the gold standard to follow? If so the Dems positivity about Georgia look wrong

    Which if so is a bit worrying for elsewhere ...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,674

    Travis County (Austin) 2016

    Trump 127,209 (27.14%)
    Clinton 308,260 (65.77%)

    90% Reporting 2020

    Trump 139,891 (25.4%)
    Biden 402,495 (73%)

    Close but no cigar
    And certainly no Cuban cigars, in Florida.
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    Somehow I think the theory that US elections follow a roughly uniform-swing pattern is going to take a bit of a battering tonight.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    So far it looks like the Dems should have spent Bloomberg's billions in Texas, not Florida
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    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Texas seems to be counting quickly, which is good. Seems lot a lot of the bigger areas already reported?

    No Austin, no El Paso.

    It'll be a Trump win (probably), but under 2% I'd guess.

    Which is an astonishing achievement for the Dems.
    Trump doing better in some of the Hispanic areas again like Cameron county.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,317
    Andy_JS said:

    I think Brits have the problem that because Trump is an arsehole it means they think it must be a slam dunk against him in the USA.

    That's not how Americans think.

    I remember being in Florida in the 1990s and they love "positivity" and hate negative thinking, no matter how childish that seems to Europeans.
    It doesn't seem at all childish to this European.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,763
    Andy_JS said:

    I think Brits have the problem that because Trump is an arsehole it means they think it must be a slam dunk against him in the USA.

    That's not how Americans think.

    I remember being in Florida in the 1990s and they love "positivity" and hate negative thinking, no matter how childish that seems to Europeans.
    Which applies to us, as we're all Europeans ;)
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    538 reporting that the Democrat senate candidate is running 2% worse than Biden in NC. If so, that would probably make the Reps favourite to narrowly hold the senate

    Cunningham really f**ked this up for the Democrats.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Biden lead back up to 3% in Texas as Austin comes in strong.

    62% reported.

    In raw vote terms the lead just doesn't seem big enough with so many red counties still to come.
    It won't be enough (probably) but remember that most of those counties have fewer than 1,000 voters, while El Paso (another Dem stonghold) has 250,000.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    To be clear, does that mean in person vote today is FAR higher than was expected?

    OR

    Another half of the EV is expected.....?
    Another half to come.
    Ta
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    Which means that Biden's big lead is not really a big lead?

    No other way around according to CNN at least!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    To be clear, does that mean in person vote today is FAR higher than was expected?

    OR

    Another half of the EV is expected.....?
    Another half to come.
    Ta
    Sorry it wasn't clear, and thanks @Anabobazina
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Texas seems to be counting quickly, which is good. Seems lot a lot of the bigger areas already reported?

    No Austin, no El Paso.

    It'll be a Trump win (probably), but under 2% I'd guess.

    Which is an astonishing achievement for the Dems.
    Trump doing better in some of the Hispanic areas again like Cameron county.
    Which also has implications for states like AZ
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    Which means that Biden's big lead is not really a big lead?

    No other way around according to CNN at least!
    I think they are saying 49% of the total vote is early voting, and so far 29% of what is in is early vote.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    To be clear, does that mean in person vote today is FAR higher than was expected?

    OR

    Another half of the EV is expected.....?
    Another half to come.
    Ta
    Must say, that surprised me but that's what they said on CNN.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911
    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    RobD said:

    29% of OH vote is early vote, ~half of what is expected.

    To be clear, does that mean in person vote today is FAR higher than was expected?

    OR

    Another half of the EV is expected.....?
    Another half to come.
    Ta
    Sorry it wasn't clear, and thanks @Anabobazina
    No worries, it's a bit frantic in here to say the least mate
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    So as many of us thought, Biden is getting very close in states, like TX, GA, NC , OH, hence the national vote seeming so big, But not actually winning any of them quite likely. So looks more and more like it will come down to PA and AZ then.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,674
    I get the big urban areas in Texas being Democrat, but what about the southern part, why is that part so Dem? Hispanic vote, but more Dem inclined than in Florida?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,032
    Biden could end up with an even less efficient vote than Clinton.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don't think Biden will win Texas on these numbers. They aren't enough.

    No but it should ensure Biden wins the national popular vote getting so close in Texas even if Trump still narrowly wins its EC votes
    Looks like you called this well HYUFD. On a knife edge.
    Thankyou Stocky
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    Mal557 said:

    So as many of us thought, Biden is getting very close in states, like TX, GA, NC , OH, hence the national vote seeming so big, But not actually winning any of them quite likely. So looks more and more like it will come down to PA and AZ then.

    In the worst scenario, a very narrow Trump ECV win but an even bigger deficit for him in the popular vote.

    Healthy.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Are CNN pro Democrat? She asks in all innocence.

    They, erm, don't really seem to be getting this early vote issue.
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    Made a rookie error.

    Forgot to top up my betting account and have run out of money to bet. My wallet is in the bedroom and my other half has called it a night
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    GaussianGaussian Posts: 793
    kle4 said:

    I get the big urban areas in Texas being Democrat, but what about the southern part, why is that part so Dem? Hispanic vote, but more Dem inclined than in Florida?

    Mexicans. Wall.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Does anyone know what is going on in Virginia?

    It's early days, with only 12% of the vote in Fairfax but Biden is only leading 52-46. Clinton won 62-31.

    Is it something to do with the way they are counting votes?
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    There's no American Curtice, so this will have to do. Looks like Trump will hold the sun belt. Will he lose enough of the rust belt to see Biden in? Dunno.
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    Biden could end up with an even less efficient vote than Clinton.

    I called it ages ago.

    Six million popular vote lead and still lose the electoral college.
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    I basically don't trust any of these partially declared states, not until they're 90% there.

    I just don't know what's early/full voting and which counties are still o/s that are crucial - it's very easy to read it incorrectly, and I haven't prepared a sufficiently dynamic real-time model to work it out.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don't think Biden will win Texas on these numbers. They aren't enough.

    No but it should ensure Biden wins the national popular vote getting so close in Texas even if Trump still narrowly wins its EC votes
    Looks like you called this well HYUFD. On a knife edge.
    Thankyou Stocky
    Agreed. Well done @HYUFD - this is certainly looking like a knife edge, with Biden missing out by a small margin in Texas and other places.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    I basically don't trust any of these partially declared states, not until they're 90% there.

    I just don't know what's early/full voting and which counties are still o/s that are crucial - it's very easy to read it incorrectly, and I haven't prepared a sufficiently dynamic real-time model to work it out.

    Agreed
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924

    Biden could end up with an even less efficient vote than Clinton.

    I think that's right.

    I think Biden will come within 2% in Texas, adding a whole bunch more useless votes.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    edited November 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don't think Biden will win Texas on these numbers. They aren't enough.

    No but it should ensure Biden wins the national popular vote getting so close in Texas even if Trump still narrowly wins its EC votes
    Looks like you called this well HYUFD. On a knife edge.
    Thankyou Stocky
    Agreed. Well done @HYUFD - this is certainly looking like a knife edge, with Biden missing out by a small margin in Texas and other places.
    Thanks also RCS, yes looking like a long night
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    Biden could end up with an even less efficient vote than Clinton.

    Some of the 2016 Hillary-bashers might need to reverse ferret if Trump does hang on.
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    Well whatever happens, looks like the pollsters might be needing another inquiry...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Mal557 said:

    So as many of us thought, Biden is getting very close in states, like TX, GA, NC , OH, hence the national vote seeming so big, But not actually winning any of them quite likely. So looks more and more like it will come down to PA and AZ then.

    It's far too early to call that. He may win one or more of those.
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    Mr Wall Guy on CNN being very confident about how well Biden is going in rust belt.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don't think Biden will win Texas on these numbers. They aren't enough.

    No but it should ensure Biden wins the national popular vote getting so close in Texas even if Trump still narrowly wins its EC votes
    Looks like you called this well HYUFD. On a knife edge.
    Thankyou Stocky
    Agreed. Well done @HYUFD - this is certainly looking like a knife edge, with Biden missing out by a small margin in Texas and other places.
    Thanks also RCS, yes looking like a long night
    Well done @HYFUD. You took a lot of stick and it looks like you are being vindicated.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907

    Made a rookie error.

    Forgot to top up my betting account and have run out of money to bet. My wallet is in the bedroom and my other half has called it a night

    Cashing out and reinvesting is a dangerous path...
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,477
    Frank Luntz said the polling industry is finished if Trump wins.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2020
    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    If you think he will be bad, Mr BowTie....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    My Excel spreadsheet now has TX down to a 0.9% lead for Trump when all counted.
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    I think it's clear that without coronavirus this year Biden would be cruising to a bruising.

    The Dems need to eat some humble pie, even if they win. I'm not sure they will. It's more likely the base fantasizes that Sanders or Warren would have won big;y.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,674
    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    But he back covered like the rest of us by saying X to win, Y has a chance, let's not overdo the myth.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    He will indeed. I might have earned it as well ;)
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    Andy_JS said:
    That's what Americans actually believe, even if they don't tell pollsters. Certainly more in keeping with their character than say a Theresa May.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    MrEd said:

    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    He will indeed. I might have earned it as well ;)
    Apologies for not spreading around my predictions of insufferability fairly. ;)
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    MrEd said:

    Does anyone know what is going on in Virginia?

    It's early days, with only 12% of the vote in Fairfax but Biden is only leading 52-46. Clinton won 62-31.

    Is it something to do with the way they are counting votes?

    I bloody hope so because if Biden doesn't win Virginia I'm going to bed.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    MrEd said:

    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    He will indeed. I might have earned it as well ;)
    @HYUFD predicted a tie so if Trump wins, technically he was wrong.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,674
    I'm no fan of RI just because selecting it on an interactive map can be very awkward due to its size. Big bigger!
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,777
    I can't stand Trump. But if he pulls off another POTUS win against the odds it's an amazing electoral performance. Getting and winning the votes where they count.

    In Ohio: Dems 2.14-2.18.

    As Ohio goes so goes .... my bank balance!
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911

    I basically don't trust any of these partially declared states, not until they're 90% there.

    I just don't know what's early/full voting and which counties are still o/s that are crucial - it's very easy to read it incorrectly, and I haven't prepared a sufficiently dynamic real-time model to work it out.

    That's the big problem – NC looks worse for Biden than OH doing a back of a fag packet assessment.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    Andy_JS said:

    Frank Luntz said the polling industry is finished if Trump wins.

    The polling industry exists because journalists need things to write about.

    That doesn't change no matter how badly they did in aggregate.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,674
    MrEd said:

    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    He will indeed. I might have earned it as well ;)
    You were more definitive.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Looks to me like NC is going to be very close but another hold for Trump.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    Thanks Mr Ed and Rob D my gut was always this would be very close, could still go either way but Trump certainly outperforming his polls in the South particular
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    So we still on for a Biden landslide? *innocent face*
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    stjohn said:

    I can't stand Trump. But if he pulls off another POTUS win against the odds it's an amazing electoral performance. Getting and winning the votes where they count.

    In Ohio: Dems 2.14-2.18.

    As Ohio goes so goes .... my bank balance!

    I don't know why CNN and others aren't analysing the fuck out of Ohio.

    Right now, it's absolutely where the race is at.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    My Excel spreadsheet now has TX down to a 0.9% lead for Trump when all counted.

    By eye I have it at around 1.5%, I worry that Biden is going to have a huge PV win but lose the EC.
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    RI House speaker Matiello (D) is out. Fairly big upset.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,907
    Maybe I misunderstood... but I thought the expectation was that Trump would do well on the night, but then might be overtaken by Biden with votes counted later... so far it seems to be opposite?
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    MSNBC are showing the early and in person voting proportions for each county. CNN useless by comparison
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,390
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Texas seems to be counting quickly, which is good. Seems lot a lot of the bigger areas already reported?

    No Austin, no El Paso.

    It'll be a Trump win (probably), but under 2% I'd guess.

    Which is an astonishing achievement for the Dems.
    Yes, I backed out of Texas a bit earlier on.
    3/1 was decent odds ahead of the count, but I don’t think he’ll make it, either.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,477
    edited November 2020
    New York the only new state to be called at 9pm ET according to CNN.
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    GN all
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913

    I basically don't trust any of these partially declared states, not until they're 90% there.

    I just don't know what's early/full voting and which counties are still o/s that are crucial - it's very easy to read it incorrectly, and I haven't prepared a sufficiently dynamic real-time model to work it out.

    I know, particularly when it's not entirely clear how much is early voting, mail voting or election day voting.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911

    stjohn said:

    I can't stand Trump. But if he pulls off another POTUS win against the odds it's an amazing electoral performance. Getting and winning the votes where they count.

    In Ohio: Dems 2.14-2.18.

    As Ohio goes so goes .... my bank balance!

    I don't know why CNN and others aren't analysing the fuck out of Ohio.

    Right now, it's absolutely where the race is at.
    Absolutely.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    kle4 said:

    MrEd said:

    RobD said:

    @HYUFD may be insufferable if Trump somehow pulls this off. But I suppose he'll have earned it. :D:p

    He will indeed. I might have earned it as well ;)
    You were more definitive.
    Thanks @kle4 I had my doubts at times but it just felt right
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    So we still on for a Biden landslide? *innocent face*

    Don't worry, Biden is about to sweep through the Rust Belt and err.......
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    New Mexico projected for Biden, Wyoming for Trump
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,924
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    My Excel spreadsheet now has TX down to a 0.9% lead for Trump when all counted.

    By eye I have it at around 1.5%, I worry that Biden is going to have a huge PV win but lose the EC.
    Well yes, I think that's looking quite possible.

    Coming close in TX, FL, OH and racking up enormous leads in NY and CA will do that to you.
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    rkrkrk said:

    Maybe I misunderstood... but I thought the expectation was that Trump would do well on the night, but then might be overtaken by Biden with votes counted later... so far it seems to be opposite?

    That's on the assumption that it's all about the rust-belt. The places that are already reporting tally their votes ahead of time, but PA/WI/MI have rules that prevent them from doing that.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Couldn't wait any longer. Its bourbon time.
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    stjohn said:

    I can't stand Trump. But if he pulls off another POTUS win against the odds it's an amazing electoral performance. Getting and winning the votes where they count.

    In Ohio: Dems 2.14-2.18.

    As Ohio goes so goes .... my bank balance!

    I don't know why CNN and others aren't analysing the fuck out of Ohio.

    Right now, it's absolutely where the race is at.
    Absolutely.
    I'd forgotten how bad CNN can be, wittering on about Bidens 'almost there' in NC and very competitive in GA when hes on his way to losing both! And not looking at Ohio
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,957
    CNN projects Biden wins New York
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