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  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Is something weird going on in VA? Clinton won Prince William County by 20% in 2016 but Trump is leading with a quarter of the vote in
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129

    Stepping back a little, it does absolutely beggar belief that Americans might be close to giving Trump a second term...

    In the harsh words of Nick Palmer, maybe we pb'ers are just not that good at US politics?
    It's more the US pollsters who don't seem to have been very good at US politics, again.
    I kind of feel for them, it seems an extraordinarily difficult place to poll. Why can't they just have a rigid class system like us so it is easy to predict?
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Yep. Trump now marginal Betfair favourite.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    On OH, I don't see the Biden victory, as the votes are tilting more towards on the day votes Trump is coming back.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    If you think Trump wins Ohio and can litigate a win in Pennsylvania, Trump wins the presidency.
  • rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Even if Biden doesn't quite get Ohio based on his strong performance there it's hard to see him lose Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania.

    Is it?
    Michigan currently Trump 59% Biden 38% with 17% in

    Wisconsin Biden 72% Trump 25% with 0% in

    Pennsylvania Biden 64% Trump 35% 16% in
    Michigan is on the day voters first, I believe.
    Mix all the votes together. Count them all at once.

    Don't declare a count until you've finished 100% of the votes.

    'Sake.
  • When will know for sure i.e. Ohio? If Biden wins that, seems like it may be game over and I can go to bed (again).
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    MrEd said:

    Is something weird going on in VA? Clinton won Prince William County by 20% in 2016 but Trump is leading with a quarter of the vote in

    In person voting reporting first, maybe?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594

    So is it going wrong, I am lost

    It's too close to say. Biden could still win a fairly comfortable victory.
  • MaxPB said:

    El Paso only gives +100k Dem, Trump will hold Texas.

    Where are you getting that figure from?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    OllyT said:

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    Does anyone know what is going on in Virginia?

    It's early days, with only 12% of the vote in Fairfax but Biden is only leading 52-46. Clinton won 62-31.

    Is it something to do with the way they are counting votes?

    I bloody hope so because if Biden doesn't win Virginia I'm going to bed.
    If it is close in Fairfax, he is toast. 15% in, lead down to less than 5.

    Would be good for my 7/1 on Virginia though :)
    Virginia has been called for the Dems
    I would ignore that. 38% of the vote in. Trump with over a 300K lead and Fairfax looking way down on 2016
    Isn't just that we are seeing the election day votes first but 70% of Virginia voted early?
    Possibly but Biden is behind over 300K with nearly 40% of the vote in. Just some of the county results look weird
  • I'm just trying to get my head around this statement by both CNN and ABC that without Ohio, Trump cannot win?

    It's not impossible but very hard as Trump would realistically then have to win 2 from MI, PA, MN, WI. The only sunbelt pick up is NV which is not enough to replace OH. And you would assume a correlation across the Midwest. I would make that 304-234 if Biden wins all 5 Midwest states + Iowa
  • HYUFD said:

    CNN projects Biden wins New York

    Why bother posting that?
    Some of us are colouring in a map as the calls come in. It is appreciated.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    Betfair punter are losing confidence in Biden's chances. Trump now 1.8.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively
  • Betfair in a full blown panic. Trump gone favourite!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Even if Biden doesn't quite get Ohio based on his strong performance there it's hard to see him lose Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania.

    Is it?
    Michigan currently Trump 59% Biden 38% with 17% in

    Wisconsin Biden 72% Trump 25% with 0% in

    Pennsylvania Biden 64% Trump 35% 16% in
    Michigan is on the day voters first, I believe.
    Mix all the votes together. Count them all at once.

    Don't declare a count until you've finished 100% of the votes.

    'Sake.
    To be fair, isn't it the networks that do that?

    I recommend watching The Newsroom for a good guide to how this is done...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    MaxPB said:

    El Paso only gives +100k Dem, Trump will hold Texas.

    You have El Paso, plus the San Antonio suburbs, plus the South West Corner of the state to come for Biden. 49.5 vs 48.0 to Trump I reckon.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    MrEd said:

    FYI from NYT:

    Trump campaign officials are keeping an eye on R.N.C. data that suggests that Biden might be under-performing in urban areas in Minnesota, a state Trump hopes to flip.

    On MN at 3/1. Astonishingly, people don't like rioters.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020

    The minority voting picture is far more complex than I thought.

    I often wonder how condescending some of the Dem stuff comes across to them.

    I am not black, but when I hear Biden talking about the black vote as if they are one monolithic block it sounds so well clunky to put it politely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129
    RobD said:

    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump

    Biden still 90-100k up in NC with 20% to go, must be slim pickings for him in the remaining areas in that case.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    It had already been called for Biden by AP!
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    I wonder if pollsters' focus on non-college Whites after 2016 has caused them to miss a shift to Trump amongst Hispanics
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    El Paso only gives +100k Dem, Trump will hold Texas.

    You have El Paso, plus the San Antonio suburbs, plus the South West Corner of the state to come for Biden. 49.5 vs 48.0 to Trump I reckon.
    Something for Presidential candidate AOC to work from next time?
  • Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    If he does, he still wins the WHIte House. He just has to hold Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump

    Biden still 90-100k up in NC with 20% to go, must be slim pickings for him in the remaining areas in that case.
    Raleigh is still only 80% counted. It'll be close, but probably a 0.5-1.0% Trump win.

    Right now (and assuming Biden wins MI and WI) it looks like Biden will stretch his national vote lead meaningfully over Clinton, but still lose.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    Trump is ahead in very early counting in some counties in Michigan that were won by Clinton.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    If that is the case, then it is likely to be because of a backlash against the Democrat-controlled Virginia legislature.

    Where are you getting Fairfax and Richmond have reported so much? NYT only has 18% for Fairfax
  • Trump way too short now IMHO at 1.68 to 2.44 to Biden.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Trump gaining fast in ohio..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    edited November 2020
    MrEd said:

    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    If that is the case, then it is likely to be because of a backlash against the Democrat-controlled Virginia legislature.

    Where are you getting Fairfax and Richmond have reported so much? NYT only has 18% for Fairfax
    VIRGINIA IS ON THE DAY FIRST. WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE ALL THE EARLY VOTING COME THROUGH FOR BIDEN.

    (And I speak as a man with a tiny bet on Trump in VA)
  • Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    It seems ridiculous. Biden had a 12% lead in the polls and >99% on 538
  • How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Trump is 1.7 with BF. Oh God.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    I don't get how the Dems could be increasing their House majority from the 2018 wave but Biden lose overall. Would suggest a popular vote win of over 5% nationally, right?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    MrEd said:

    OllyT said:

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    MrEd said:

    Does anyone know what is going on in Virginia?

    It's early days, with only 12% of the vote in Fairfax but Biden is only leading 52-46. Clinton won 62-31.

    Is it something to do with the way they are counting votes?

    I bloody hope so because if Biden doesn't win Virginia I'm going to bed.
    If it is close in Fairfax, he is toast. 15% in, lead down to less than 5.

    Would be good for my 7/1 on Virginia though :)
    Virginia has been called for the Dems
    I would ignore that. 38% of the vote in. Trump with over a 300K lead and Fairfax looking way down on 2016
    Isn't just that we are seeing the election day votes first but 70% of Virginia voted early?
    Possibly but Biden is behind over 300K with nearly 40% of the vote in. Just some of the county results look weird
    They look weird because the remaining 60% are early/mail votes.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    If that is the case, then it is likely to be because of a backlash against the Democrat-controlled Virginia legislature.

    Where are you getting Fairfax and Richmond have reported so much? NYT only has 18% for Fairfax
    VIRGINIA IS ON THE DAY FIRST. WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE ALL THE EARLY VOTING COME THROUGH FOR BIDEN.

    (And I speak as a man with a tiny bet on Trump in VA)
    I'm not sure how many more times this needs to be said.

    IGNORE VA UNTIL THE EARLY VOTING IS ADDED.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    Those results can't be representative.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    Biden back out to a 0.6% lead in TX with 72% in.
  • HYUFD said:

    CNN projects Biden wins New York

    Why bother posting that?
    Some of us are colouring in a map as the calls come in. It is appreciated.
    You can colour in New York blue now for the next 8 elections through to at least 2050.
  • Trump now 4/7 on Skybet
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    El Paso only gives +100k Dem, Trump will hold Texas.

    You have El Paso, plus the San Antonio suburbs, plus the South West Corner of the state to come for Biden. 49.5 vs 48.0 to Trump I reckon.
    Don't think the San Antonio suburbs are going to help Biden very much and El Paso just hasn't produced a big enough lead, Trump is already up on 2016 there.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
    Fair enough!
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Sorry to be off topic of panicking, but exit poll points to comfortable Biden walk over in Arizona.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    Stocky said:

    Trump is 1.7 with BF. Oh God.

    As usual, I cashed out of Trump too soon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Mitch mcconnell wins.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    rep fav Pa
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    gealbhan said:

    Sorry to be off topic of panicking, but exit poll points to comfortable Biden walk over in Arizona.

    Have these exit polls been accurate so far?
  • kle4 said:

    The minority voting picture is far more complex than I thought.

    I often wonder how condescending some of the Dem stuff comes across to them.

    Is it stuff like Corbyn's 'Only Labour can unlock the potential of BME people' sort of thing?
    Yes, I think so - I don't know so as I'm not on the receiving end of it.

    It irritates me nonetheless though.
    I do not think it is quite that, more that lumping people together as Latinos or Hispanics ignores an awful lot of differences between them. We all recognise that Cubans in Florida are a special case but even elsewhere there are vast differences between the different Central American states, both economically and politically, just as here BAME encompasses, say, Pakistani and Indian descendants who may have different class, religion, language, education and so on.

    If you think about it, most demographic generalisations used in political analysis would be written off as crude racism in any other context.
  • Biden looks real value to me. He's just hit 3.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
    And he needs Minnesota and Nevada on top, at least
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129
    Looking at some congressional races, it looks like some are actually uncontested - can that really be right, that even in heavily dominant areas the other party don't even bother putting up a candidate, like the Tories not even bothering in Bootle?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Now about that Fox exit poll that basically having every question way way against everything Trump stands for....who exactly did they ask? On people named Joe Biden?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    rcs1000 said:

    Biden back out to a 0.6% lead in TX with 72% in.

    TX is one place I cashed out at exactly the right time...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    Was the Florida exit poll accurate? Just wondering whether we can rely on them in other states like Arizona.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,708
    Trump 1.52!!!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    Andy_JS said:

    Was the Florida exit poll accurate? Just wondering whether we can rely on them in other states like Arizona.

    Did we ever get the topline numbers or just the teasers?
  • What on Earth has happened with Hispanics
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129
    Andy_JS said:

    Was the Florida exit poll accurate? Just wondering whether we can rely on them in other states like Arizona.

    Well I think HYUFD's pals at Trafalgar were spot on with it!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Welp. Fucked.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
    And he needs Minnesota and Nevada on top, at least
    With PA, MI and WI he can do it without NV....
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    kle4 said:

    Looking at some congressional races, it looks like some are actually uncontested - can that really be right, that even in heavily dominant areas the other party don't even bother putting up a candidate, like the Tories not even bothering in Bootle?

    Uncontested seats weren't uncommon at Westminster 100 years ago.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Alistair said:

    Welp. Fucked.

    What?
  • Massive shy Trump vote.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Trump's going to lose Texas and keep the white house, isn't he?
  • What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    I wonder if some were opposed to the BLM movement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    edited November 2020

    How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN

    Trafalgar and Rasmussen say hello
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    HYUFD said:

    How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN

    Trafalgar and Rasmussen say hello
    Those were polls? :p
  • Massive shy Trump vote.

    Doesn't surprise me given how anyone pro-Trump got shouted down on this site.

    The culprits know who they are.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    edited November 2020
    Drutt said:

    Trump's going to lose Texas and keep the white house, isn't he?

    Nope, he is going to win TX and lose the WH I suspect.
  • HYUFD said:

    How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN

    Trafalgar and Rasmussen say hello
    Do you recall I didn't make a prediction and I called on those who said it was going to be a blowout to hold their hands up if they got it wrong.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    I think Trump wins TX and OH.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Andy_JS said:

    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    Those results can't be representative.
    Wasnt Biden like +15 or something in the polls there? lol
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831

    What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    Last time Trump made much of The Wall and nasty hombres. Much less of that this time.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Mortimer said:

    Drutt said:

    Trump's going to lose Texas and keep the white house, isn't he?

    Nope, he is going to win TX and lose the WH I suspect.
    I still think that too
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    The NYT has a lot to answer for, with their condescending attitude towards anyone who didn't agree with them over the last 4 years.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    NYtimes missed a trick massively by not doing the needle for other states.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    There's value betting against Trump right now.
  • I have to say this is starting to feel like how I felt when I was convinced Corbyn was going to cause a Hung Parliament, I have the same feeling I had when I saw it had slipped away. I hope I'm wrong.

    Hope those here will be courageous if they have got it wrong
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Trump way too short now IMHO at 1.68 to 2.44 to Biden.

    Trump makes people too emotional, not thinking clearly.

  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    Massive shy Trump vote.

    I don't think it is shy Trumpers. I think it's a failure to poll in rural areas. Not the same thing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    edited November 2020
    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Was the Florida exit poll accurate? Just wondering whether we can rely on them in other states like Arizona.

    Well I think HYUFD's pals at Trafalgar were spot on with it!
    Right for the wrong reasons. Biden's problems are with Hispanics not WWC voters. Luckily for him there are not too many in WI, MI and PA
  • Ex PBer who I believe has a vote in the US election.

    https://twitter.com/JamesKelly/status/1323815108024377344?s=20
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    We're going to get another 8 months of sneering race chat from the Goodwins and edgelords of this world. Then like last time, Nazis will kill some people, Trump will approve, and the edgy community will go quiet again.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    rcs1000 said:

    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.

    The question is are early votes counted first, and therefore there's a wave of Trump support to come?
  • Trump now 2/5!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump

    Biden still 90-100k up in NC with 20% to go, must be slim pickings for him in the remaining areas in that case.
    Raleigh is still only 80% counted. It'll be close, but probably a 0.5-1.0% Trump win.

    Right now (and assuming Biden wins MI and WI) it looks like Biden will stretch his national vote lead meaningfully over Clinton, but still lose.
    Democratic plan for 2024 - 1m volunteers from California and NY to move out to dozens of key counties across NC, Georgia and FLorida.
  • I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Gaussian said:

    What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    Last time Trump made much of The Wall and nasty hombres. Much less of that this time.
    I don't understand why the Biden campaign didn't dig up more of Trump's worst moments from 2016. Pussy-grabbing and all that
  • Quick win for Biden in CO.
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