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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    rcs1000 said:

    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.

    And Akron.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    Ex PBer who I believe has a vote in the US election.

    https://twitter.com/JamesKelly/status/1323815108024377344?s=20

    This is EXACTLY right. My point. There's real value betting against Trump right now.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    dodrade said:

    kle4 said:

    Looking at some congressional races, it looks like some are actually uncontested - can that really be right, that even in heavily dominant areas the other party don't even bother putting up a candidate, like the Tories not even bothering in Bootle?

    Uncontested seats weren't uncommon at Westminster 100 years ago.

    I think more recent than that, into the 50s maybe? Also in the US there are never truly uncontested elections, as in no poll is held, because write-in is always an option. I'm not aware of any recent write-in win in an otherwise uncontested seat, but in 2010 Lisa Murkowski retained her US Senate seat for Alaska as a write-in after she lost the Republican primary.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.

    The question is are early votes counted first, and therefore there's a wave of Trump support to come?
    Correct. If not, Trump is in trouble in OH
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,726
    Mortimer said:

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
    And he needs Minnesota and Nevada on top, at least
    With PA, MI and WI he can do it without NV....
    I don't think so. Are you assuming Biden wins Arizona?
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.

    "If you ain't voting for me you ain't black". Condescending chump has lost a lot of urban votes from this kind of stupidity.
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    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    People here were saying 350+ for Biden just earlier today...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    90% of NC vote is still early vote. Expected to be 75% at the end of the night.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,682

    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    People here were saying 350+ for Biden just earlier today...
    I almost went for a landslide and changed my mind at the last minute. Lucky escape.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    Just remember that I said I wasn't comfortable buying at 311. But I 'think' Biden may finish close to 300. Tight though and the problem with the ECV system is that you can narrowly lose several states and lose the Presidency.

    Ohio is critical.
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    I think if you made a call and it's wrong you should be a man/woman and hold your hands up. I and some others did after 2019, I'd have a lot of respect for those here doing the same.
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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,202
    NC is very close both senate and POTUS.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,682
    Mal557 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Chameleon said:

    Virginia is ghastly for Biden. Trump's 18% ahead with Arlington, Richmond, and Fairfax 98%, 99%, and 78% reported respectively

    Those results can't be representative.
    Wasnt Biden like +15 or something in the polls there? lol
    The part of the state next to Washington DC is very Democratic and usually comes in last IIRC.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
    And he needs Minnesota and Nevada on top, at least
    With PA, MI and WI he can do it without NV....
    I don't think so. Are you assuming Biden wins Arizona?
    Nope.

    So far every single state has gone the same as 2016 (AFAIK) - so if that remains the same, flipping PA (20), MI (16) and WI (10) would put Biden on 278. Minus NV, he'd still be on 272. No?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump

    Biden still 90-100k up in NC with 20% to go, must be slim pickings for him in the remaining areas in that case.
    Raleigh is still only 80% counted. It'll be close, but probably a 0.5-1.0% Trump win.

    Right now (and assuming Biden wins MI and WI) it looks like Biden will stretch his national vote lead meaningfully over Clinton, but still lose.
    Democratic plan for 2024 - 1m volunteers from California and NY to move out to dozens of key counties across NC, Georgia and FLorida.
    That was my plan for 2020. They never did it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Andy_JS said:
    Made sense an hour ago when still not many other reports in, but now?
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    Lightning is going to strike twice, I have a terrible feeling about this
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Yep my landslide prediction was a shocker.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    rkrkrk said:

    NYtimes missed a trick massively by not doing the needle for other states.

    Yes they really aren't the key states
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Per David Chalian there is less early vote to come in NC
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081

    Lightning is going to strike twice, I have a terrible feeling about this

    Calm down mate.
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    rkrkrk said:

    Yep my landslide prediction was a shocker.

    Total respect to you.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Texas 74% in

    Trump 49.6%

    Biden 49%
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    There are shades of Brexit on CNN at the moment, finding all the new ways Biden could win as things don't look going the right way in certain places.
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    Biden still has a good chance of winning. OH and TX are probably out of reach, but they always were long-shots. He needs WI MI NV and PA, and maybe AZ.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.

    The question is are early votes counted first, and therefore there's a wave of Trump support to come?
    Correct. If not, Trump is in trouble in OH
    NYT shows absentee/non-absentee splits. Some counties (like Stark or Lucas) are in person first; others (like Hamilton) are absentee first.

    My guess is that Trump will be stronger in the remaining votes, but it's close.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Trump almost caught up in Ohio
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    This is too close to call.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    I think if you made a call and it's wrong you should be a man/woman and hold your hands up. I and some others did after 2019, I'd have a lot of respect for those here doing the same.

    I'm going to be even more insufferable if Trump wins given the stick given to those of us who said Trump had a chance.
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    GaussianGaussian Posts: 793

    Gaussian said:

    What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    Last time Trump made much of The Wall and nasty hombres. Much less of that this time.
    I don't understand why the Biden campaign didn't dig up more of Trump's worst moments from 2016. Pussy-grabbing and all that
    Didn't consistently attack on his taxes ("Make him pay!") or general madness ("Shut him up!") either.

    Biden's campaign was so low key that some people probably felt taken for granted.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,682
    I'm starting to wonder whether Hispanic voters in California might swing to Trump as well. It won't make any difference to the result there but could affect the popular vote.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,726

    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    People here were saying 350+ for Biden just earlier today...
    Well .. I was almost there: 340 -350 I thought
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,077
    Trump is within 15k votes in Ohio now.
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    Mr Data Wall keeps dropping the " We" when talking about the Democrats.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Looking at Biden's strongest counties in Ohio, we see:

    Cleveland (Cuyahoga)
    Toledo (Lucas)
    Coumbus (Franklin)
    Cincinnati (Hamilton)

    These all have turnover meaningfully below the average for the State.

    The question is are early votes counted first, and therefore there's a wave of Trump support to come?
    Correct. If not, Trump is in trouble in OH
    NYT shows absentee/non-absentee splits. Some counties (like Stark or Lucas) are in person first; others (like Hamilton) are absentee first.

    My guess is that Trump will be stronger in the remaining votes, but it's close.
    OK, so I think he holds. This could be like VA in reverse (to a degree)
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    edited November 2020
    Much MORE early vote to come in Ohio!

    Massive news!

    Was that 30 secs from Chalian the biggest moment of the night?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,682
    edited November 2020
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Made sense an hour ago when still not many other reports in, but now?
    CNN haven't called Florida despite the big margin. I thought that was the point Owen Jones was making.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    MrEd said:

    I think if you made a call and it's wrong you should be a man/woman and hold your hands up. I and some others did after 2019, I'd have a lot of respect for those here doing the same.

    I'm going to be even more insufferable if Trump wins given the stick given to those of us who said Trump had a chance.
    You will deserve credit for being correct, but let's be honest - you were predicting a Trump landslide win with victories in Virginia and Colorado. That's not going to happen.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,726

    This is too close to call.

    Yes, I must admit I bailed a chunk at Evens. Glad I did.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    edited November 2020
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump

    Biden still 90-100k up in NC with 20% to go, must be slim pickings for him in the remaining areas in that case.
    Raleigh is still only 80% counted. It'll be close, but probably a 0.5-1.0% Trump win.

    Right now (and assuming Biden wins MI and WI) it looks like Biden will stretch his national vote lead meaningfully over Clinton, but still lose.
    Democratic plan for 2024 - 1m volunteers from California and NY to move out to dozens of key counties across NC, Georgia and FLorida.
    And they say that COVID-19 and the resulting surge of NY and CA workers moving to NC/TX/GA/FL wasn't a Dem plot... /s

    Ex PBer who I believe has a vote in the US election.

    https://twi tter.com/JamesKelly/status/1323815108024377344?s=20

    No there isn't. There's a pattern of errors against Trump in a series of key State polls. If Trump retains GA, FL, NC, OH (which he is), then it's effectively a 50/50. No significant value. Trump has a floor of 241 at the moment.
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN

    Maybe they are not wrong, maybe people are forgetting it was supposed to look good for Trump at first. This isn’t a sprint race.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN

    Trafalgar and Rasmussen say hello
    Those were polls? :p
    If they can repeat success in other states and elections then fair play to them, though I've long thought while it is better than nothing and they caveat their estimates, polling is just too hard to figure out in some systems consistently, so even when it looks like genius it might be luck.
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    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    People here were saying 350+ for Biden just earlier today...
    So? He may well win some states by 350 votes
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,077

    There are shades of Brexit on CNN at the moment, finding all the new ways Biden could win as things don't look going the right way in certain places.

    "Wait for the vote from London, Ohio to come in..."
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    Biden only 13K up in Ohio now.
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    The early vote share should still grow a bit in Ohio.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    41% of the current OH vote is early vote, but the early vote should be 53% of the overall total.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Gaussian said:

    Gaussian said:

    What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    Last time Trump made much of The Wall and nasty hombres. Much less of that this time.
    I don't understand why the Biden campaign didn't dig up more of Trump's worst moments from 2016. Pussy-grabbing and all that
    Didn't consistently attack on his taxes ("Make him pay!") or general madness ("Shut him up!") either.

    Biden's campaign was so low key that some people probably felt taken for granted.
    I'm going to say this now, before the results come in, just as I said after the 2016 results. Based on the polls *before* the election I think Biden's strategy is hard to criticise. He was following a plan and it looked like it was working. If he loses then that sucks, but I don't think the evidence was there before election night that Biden wasn't giving himself a great shot with his low-key 'Let Trump attract bad publicity' campaign.
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    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    People here were saying 350+ for Biden just earlier today...
    So? He may well win some states by 350 votes
    Haha okay fair point.

    I'm just saying, if you got it wrong you should have the courage to say you got it wrong, whenever that comes/if it comes. No harm in being wrong, people are terrified of admitting they got things wrong for some reason.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    NC now "Pretty likely", >95% probability for Trump.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003

    Trump is within 15k votes in Ohio now.

    Franklin, which is Biden +47 and is the second largest county in the state, hasn't started on absentee ballots yet.

    It's going to be VERY CLOSE.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,772
    So basically Trump is doing better (especially in Florida) than the polls said, but we don't know if it's enough to win.

    PS: Someone on CNN just said "Blue Wall" :smiley:
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    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    Just remember that I said I wasn't comfortable buying at 311. But I 'think' Biden may finish close to 300. Tight though and the problem with the ECV system is that you can narrowly lose several states and lose the Presidency.

    Ohio is critical.
    Maybe Americans wanted a very narrow Democrat win, to keep them on a tight leash?

    I'm not sure either side deserves a blow-out.
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    RobD said:

    41% of the current OH vote is early vote, but the early vote should be 53% of the overall total.

    Does that mean that there is 12% more early vote to come or the current counted votes have 41% early votes?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Needle update - GA: 85% Trump, NC: 90% Trump

    Biden still 90-100k up in NC with 20% to go, must be slim pickings for him in the remaining areas in that case.
    Raleigh is still only 80% counted. It'll be close, but probably a 0.5-1.0% Trump win.

    Right now (and assuming Biden wins MI and WI) it looks like Biden will stretch his national vote lead meaningfully over Clinton, but still lose.
    Democratic plan for 2024 - 1m volunteers from California and NY to move out to dozens of key counties across NC, Georgia and FLorida.
    That was my plan for 2020. They never did it.
    California secession plan then.

    Not seriously, but what bet a snap poll after a Trump win, if it occurs, shows a marked increase in that?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Wisconsin 14% in Biden 50% Trump 47%
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Fox call Virginia for Biden
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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,202
    Can I remind everyone. there are three states the Democrats have hung their hats on PA, WI & MI.

    Thats it, everything else is bonus territory.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    The fact OH is so close is really all that is keeping Biden in this race right now.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081
    Harris County has been stuck at 82% for what seems like hours.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Reps fav Michigan too now
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    I think if you made a call and it's wrong you should be a man/woman and hold your hands up. I and some others did after 2019, I'd have a lot of respect for those here doing the same.

    I'm going to be even more insufferable if Trump wins given the stick given to those of us who said Trump had a chance.
    You will deserve credit for being correct, but let's be honest - you were predicting a Trump landslide win with victories in Virginia and Colorado. That's not going to happen.
    Actually I didn't. I said I thought Trump would keep his 2016 states and add NH and Minnesota. I said VA, CO and NM were outside bets if he did better.

    I put the post up this morning and it was there for all to see.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    I think the mistake I've made on here is saying the it will all be over before Pennsylvania declares. In fact, Pa. could be extremely important.

    But this is far too close to call. The critical battles are in Ohio then Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Wisconsin
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,726
    Mortimer said:

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    Stocky said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Endillion said:

    Trump/Biden crossover on Betfair.


    Can't say I fully understand why.

    Agreed. I think Biden is still fave at this point.
    I don't!

    Thank he'll just miss out on NC and OH!
    Me too. But I think he'll take PA, MI and WI.
    And he needs Minnesota and Nevada on top, at least
    With PA, MI and WI he can do it without NV....
    I don't think so. Are you assuming Biden wins Arizona?
    Nope.

    So far every single state has gone the same as 2016 (AFAIK) - so if that remains the same, flipping PA (20), MI (16) and WI (10) would put Biden on 278. Minus NV, he'd still be on 272. No?
    Yes, you're right - as long as he also holds Minnesota and Virginia. Penn is where it's at.
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    Interesting though, polls here got 2019 spot on, what on Earth has gone on in the USA then?
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Nate is on ABC now
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    RobD said:

    41% of the current OH vote is early vote, but the early vote should be 53% of the overall total.

    Does that mean that there is 12% more early vote to come or the current counted votes have 41% early votes?
    The latter, I think.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Made sense an hour ago when still not many other reports in, but now?
    CNN haven't called Florida despite the big margin. I thought that was the point Owen Jones was making.
    And that was the point I was agreeing with.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    RobD said:

    41% of the current OH vote is early vote, but the early vote should be 53% of the overall total.

    Ohio is also a read across for other Great Lakes states, and should make Biden feel more comfortable about Pennsylvania,
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,726

    Nate is on ABC now

    Can you summarise what he says please?
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    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    Just remember that I said I wasn't comfortable buying at 311. But I 'think' Biden may finish close to 300. Tight though and the problem with the ECV system is that you can narrowly lose several states and lose the Presidency.

    Ohio is critical.
    Maybe Americans wanted a very narrow Democrat win, to keep them on a tight leash?

    I'm not sure either side deserves a blow-out.
    It does not really work like that. There is no American hive mind to coordinate any particular result.
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    Trump is going to do it again, isn’t he.
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    I think those who called it a landslide should have the courage to say they got it wrong if that's not how it turns out. It's only fair.

    Define landslide and threshold for apology.
    People here were saying 350+ for Biden just earlier today...
    That’s still on, isn’t it?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Biden still has a good chance of winning. OH and TX are probably out of reach, but they always were long-shots. He needs WI MI NV and PA, and maybe AZ.

    If the Hispanic vote is swinging as it has die then Nevada is gone for Biden.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    Reps fav Michigan too now

    Blimey.

    If all else stays the same, and GOP keep MI and OH, I think they do it whatever happens in WI and PA
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798

    Harris County has been stuck at 82% for what seems like hours.

    Cuyohoga in Ohia the same, at 52%
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    CNN already speculating on the nefarious reasons why Trump is doing better than expected.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003

    Reps fav Michigan too now

    Michigan does in person voting first. I would buy the Dems there.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Chris Christie says Republican sources think they've won Ohio by c 1.5 to 2%
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    GaussianGaussian Posts: 793
    Quincel said:

    Gaussian said:

    Gaussian said:

    What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    Last time Trump made much of The Wall and nasty hombres. Much less of that this time.
    I don't understand why the Biden campaign didn't dig up more of Trump's worst moments from 2016. Pussy-grabbing and all that
    Didn't consistently attack on his taxes ("Make him pay!") or general madness ("Shut him up!") either.

    Biden's campaign was so low key that some people probably felt taken for granted.
    I'm going to say this now, before the results come in, just as I said after the 2016 results. Based on the polls *before* the election I think Biden's strategy is hard to criticise. He was following a plan and it looked like it was working. If he loses then that sucks, but I don't think the evidence was there before election night that Biden wasn't giving himself a great shot with his low-key 'Let Trump attract bad publicity' campaign.
    Trouble was that from the second debate onwards, Trump was quite disciplined by his standards.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,726
    Is Laddy's 66/1 on a ECV draw on?? Nope not, I didn't back it.
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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,779
    For the election it's now

    Trump 1.44-1.45
    Biden 3.25-3.3

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    stjohn said:

    For the election it's now

    Trump 1.44-1.45
    Biden 3.25-3.3

    What are these people looking at??
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,077
    Breaking: Americans still can't pronounce buoy
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    I think the mistake I've made on here is saying the it will all be over before Pennsylvania declares. In fact, Pa. could be extremely important.

    But this is far too close to call. The critical battles are in Ohio then Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Wisconsin

    OH and MI staying GOP means PA and WI are moot....
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    Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    gealbhan said:

    How are the polls so wrong, AGAIN

    Maybe they are not wrong, maybe people are forgetting it was supposed to look good for Trump at first. This isn’t a sprint race.
    As many of us said, the national polls may not be wrong by much, The issue is that Biden is racking up votes in states he's not winning, Texas, Georgia, NC , probably Ohio, and probably in more red states than those. The state polling was close enough for a 2/3% error to put Trump over the line in them , some like FL and NC always were real toss ups.
    PA had him up about 5% he might still nick it, but the way things are going , all the other states that were true 'toss ups' so within 2 or 3% Trumps winning most likely. So we will may well end up with Trump winning the EV despite losing the national vote by as much as 4% , twice what Clinton did.
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    CNN already speculating on the nefarious reasons why Trump is doing better than expected.

    Well, given the massive turnout, it can hardly be voter suppression.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Alistair said:

    Biden still has a good chance of winning. OH and TX are probably out of reach, but they always were long-shots. He needs WI MI NV and PA, and maybe AZ.

    If the Hispanic vote is swinging as it has die then Nevada is gone for Biden.
    I am kicking myself for listening to Ralston on Nevada
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,682
    BBC has just cut to Washington DC outside the White House where a BLM protest is going on.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    Mortimer said:

    I think the mistake I've made on here is saying the it will all be over before Pennsylvania declares. In fact, Pa. could be extremely important.

    But this is far too close to call. The critical battles are in Ohio then Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Wisconsin

    OH and MI staying GOP means PA and WI are moot....
    MICHIGAN COUNTS ON THE DAY FIRST!
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    In a shock flip, Democrats take Texas senate seat?
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    One person I bet is smiling tonight..

    Hillary Clinton.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,682

    Trump is going to do it again, isn’t he.

    Maybe but I don't think we'll get a definitive result for a few days.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    MrEd said:

    Alistair said:

    Biden still has a good chance of winning. OH and TX are probably out of reach, but they always were long-shots. He needs WI MI NV and PA, and maybe AZ.

    If the Hispanic vote is swinging as it has die then Nevada is gone for Biden.
    I am kicking myself for listening to Ralston on Nevada
    Ralston is still fairly bullish on Twitter about NV.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873
    OK I cashed out a small loss then went back in at 2.6 the 3.0

    If Biden wins Michigan and Wisconsin is he 3.0 to win PA
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    Gaussian said:

    Quincel said:

    Gaussian said:

    Gaussian said:

    What on Earth has happened with Hispanics

    Last time Trump made much of The Wall and nasty hombres. Much less of that this time.
    I don't understand why the Biden campaign didn't dig up more of Trump's worst moments from 2016. Pussy-grabbing and all that
    Didn't consistently attack on his taxes ("Make him pay!") or general madness ("Shut him up!") either.

    Biden's campaign was so low key that some people probably felt taken for granted.
    I'm going to say this now, before the results come in, just as I said after the 2016 results. Based on the polls *before* the election I think Biden's strategy is hard to criticise. He was following a plan and it looked like it was working. If he loses then that sucks, but I don't think the evidence was there before election night that Biden wasn't giving himself a great shot with his low-key 'Let Trump attract bad publicity' campaign.
    Trouble was that from the second debate onwards, Trump was quite disciplined by his standards.
    Yes, we speculated here that the debate changes the Dems wanted would favour Trump, largely because they made him seem presidential while exposing the vacuity of Biden.
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