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  • Its cost me £5k, but I am so glad my eldest is spending 20/21 doing work experience in his old school and starting his English degree next year, rather than being imprisoned in a Manchester Met halls of residence being shouted at to remove posters from his windows.

    MMU was a *very* impressive university and he seriously considered it. So glad we dodged that particular bullet...
  • Nigelb said:

    That is a remarkable effective example of destroying a candidate simply by quoting him.
    Exactly the sort of politician I despise. Brainless, spineless a*selickers.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    edited September 2020
    Nigelb said:

    They use pooled testing which speeds up the processing of mass testing like this considerably.
    Can I check that I understand correctly what pooled testing means?

    Do they combine all the samples from say 50 people, test (in this case) the 3560 pooled samples this gives (from 178,000 people), then test the 50 individuals in any pooled sample that tests positive?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Why not adopt the US system of extraterritorial taxation of citizens?
    Because it’s pretty much unenforceable in the vast majority of jurisdictions.
  • Jonathan said:

    Biden won the nomination largely flying under the radar. It seems he’s using the same approach for the election. It seems he’s supported by some clever people.

    Flying under the radar??? More like taxiing on the runway. The Dems are desperate to keep Sleepy Joe away from press conferences and Q&A sessions without Palin-like pre-scripted responses. This man is a ticking time-bomb for the Dems in the same way Palin wowed the GOP for a while and then became the biggest joke of US politics. The debates are round the corner and the Dems will be absolutely terrified he doesn't screw up. Even with 180 years political experience.
  • Alistair said:

    Don't need Roe vs Wade. There is the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. In court right now and scheduled to take place just after the election (nt before because the GOP are cowards).

    If they seat ACB pre election and then repeal the ACA (ACB has previously said she believes it to be unconstitutional) after Trump has lost the election that is all the justification the Dems will need to go full throttle. If the GOP have the chutzpath to confirm and seat ACB in the lame duck session and repeal the ACA then all bets are off as to the counter moves from the Dems.
    Of course much will depend on the actual election results and how people behave in the aftermath. If it's a fairly clear Democrat win, which I am now expecting, any high-handed action by the Supreme Court will make a Biden counter very easy.

    But we have to see how things go. Not long now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797

    Can I check that I understand correctly what pooled testing means?

    Do they combine all the samples from say 50 people, test (in this case) the 3560 pooled samples this gives (from 178,000 people), then test the 50 individuals in any pooled sample that tests positive?
    Yes - though it’s probably 10-20 rather than 50 at a time.
  • Sandpit said:

    Because it’s pretty much unenforceable in the vast majority of jurisdictions.
    Surely it is VERY enforceable if you return to the USA for any reason - like Grandma's funeral? You know the yanks - a parking ticket gets you 10 years in jail with no parole.... ;)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    Good morning everyone; doesn't, from this side of the political divide, to be a lot to be cheerful amount. And the Bob Willis final could be going wrong, too. Although cricket's a funny old game.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339
    edited September 2020

    On 5 live this morning two Manchester students rang in to say how they were isolating in their rooms but that a minority of fellow students were out of control knocking on doors and asking if they would come out and they would give them covid. They were so intimidated that they phoned security who refused to attend and then they phoned the police

    A University union leader was interviewed who condemned the students behaviour but demanded that the rents and fees for this year were paid for by HMG. The University said they were putting in place safeguarding measures

    There is a simple answer to this and it is not for HMG to shell out even more of taxpayers money but to identify the minority who are spoiling it for the majority and just expel them

    Both my son's came back from University in mid March, having enjoyed a term and a half of their second years at University. Lockdown intervention was minimal (I mean virtually non existent) between March and June, so both missed almost half an academic year. There has been no reimbursement of the £9000 and £9250 each of them paid.

    One has gone back to the University of South Wales and is in lockdown in RCT. He is autistic and living in a 6 room flat on his own. The other five rooms were for overseas students, who have not returned. He has been alone for a fortnight, and being compliant refuses to drive home. He was promised a mix of online and face to face teaching. The unions have said students can whistle for the face to face training.

    The youngest is expecting to go back this week. He is fortunate in that he is not in halls, but he expects little more than his brother has seen.

    The statements from Scotland are outrageous. A first time away from the family home-sick fresher is expected to cope with being locked in over Christmas is nothing short of mental torture.

    This really hasn't been thought through. That will be £9250 please. Rip-off Britain, as we live and breath.
  • Does seem the ScotGov approach of closing pubs and off licences at 10 makes more sense:

    https://twitter.com/charliehtweets/status/1309988787943022592?s=20
  • Surely it is VERY enforceable if you return to the USA for any reason - like Grandma's funeral? You know the yanks - a parking ticket gets you 10 years in jail with no parole.... ;)
    Indeed - the US govenrment doesn’t renew the passports of US citizens living overseas if they are behind with their taxes, or let them sponsor anyone for an immigrant visa (eg if they want to move their spouse).

    Of course, the vast majority of US citizens don’t have to pay a cent anyway as tax is only due on income above about $100,000 anyway - though they still have to file tax returns.
  • Good morning everyone; doesn't, from this side of the political divide, to be a lot to be cheerful amount. And the Bob Willis final could be going wrong, too. Although cricket's a funny old game.

    The game is splendidly poised, but fwiw I think Betfair's odds are a bit out. It should be 2/1 all three outcomes. The draw is therefore the value, and Essex are false favorites.

    Worth a small punt? (And if Essex do win that's quite some consolation!)
  • The latter will never happen because on the whole landlords vote Tory.

    The issue is that the unintended consequences of the former is that it will result in so many defaults, the courts will be completely blocked up with housing cases and students will get county court judgments in their thousands. All because someone in the government made the wrong decision (or worse, no decision) on what the plan was for university education this September.
    Ah but it will help Conservatives to have all those students moving back home to the leafy suburbs and wasting their votes in seats where they weigh rather than count the blue vote, rather than having a concentrated lefty student vote in university towns.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    sirclive said:

    Flying under the radar??? More like taxiing on the runway. The Dems are desperate to keep Sleepy Joe away from press conferences and Q&A sessions without Palin-like pre-scripted responses. This man is a ticking time-bomb for the Dems in the same way Palin wowed the GOP for a while and then became the biggest joke of US politics. The debates are round the corner and the Dems will be absolutely terrified he doesn't screw up. Even with 180 years political experience.
    You do remember he did like 50 live debates during the Dem Primaries?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    Does seem the ScotGov approach of closing pubs and off licences at 10 makes more sense:

    https://twitter.com/charliehtweets/status/1309988787943022592?s=20

    I thought last orders at ten and remaining until one finishes, here in Wales was ridiculous, but maybe not so stupid after all. In England one can order five pints at 5 to 10 and have to consume them all in five minutes. Here in Wales one gets around an hour to finish their five for the road, after "stop tap".
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    sirclive said:

    Flying under the radar??? More like taxiing on the runway. The Dems are desperate to keep Sleepy Joe away from press conferences and Q&A sessions without Palin-like pre-scripted responses. This man is a ticking time-bomb for the Dems in the same way Palin wowed the GOP for a while and then became the biggest joke of US politics. The debates are round the corner and the Dems will be absolutely terrified he doesn't screw up. Even with 180 years political experience.
    I still can’t think of Sarah Palin without the mind immediately going to Tina Fey’s SNL skits. Her impression was spot on, and they do look very similar.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    edited September 2020
    sirclive said:

    Flying under the radar??? More like taxiing on the runway. The Dems are desperate to keep Sleepy Joe away from press conferences and Q&A sessions without Palin-like pre-scripted responses. This man is a ticking time-bomb for the Dems in the same way Palin wowed the GOP for a while and then became the biggest joke of US politics. The debates are round the corner and the Dems will be absolutely terrified he doesn't screw up. Even with 180 years political experience.
    So key question: Some of the voters clearly believe what you just said. Are any of them up for grabs if he shows up at the debate and performs cogently rather than to delivering a lengthy tirade in the direction of the door knob on the failed policies of the Van Buren administration? Or is it only the Trumpists who believe this stuff, and they're with Trump no matter what?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    On 5 live this morning two Manchester students rang in to say how they were isolating in their rooms but that a minority of fellow students were out of control knocking on doors and asking if they would come out and they would give them covid. They were so intimidated that they phoned security who refused to attend and then they phoned the police

    A University union leader was interviewed who condemned the students behaviour but demanded that the rents and fees for this year were paid for by HMG. The University said they were putting in place safeguarding measures

    There is a simple answer to this and it is not for HMG to shell out even more of taxpayers money but to identify the minority who are spoiling it for the majority and just expel them

    The thing is, whilst i agree with the sentiments in relation to those at the 'extreme' end of the idiocy scale (and those who bully others into things they are not comfortable with) i absolutely disagree with defining 'idiocy' as those who are rebelling to some extent against some of the extreme interpretations of "self isolation" regulations that some Universities seem to be insisting on.

    I'm not talking about preventing people from going to pubs, and generally interacting closely with large numbers of people around campus and beyond, but talk of no mixing at at, even within self isolation 'bubbles/groups' - which certainly isn't the law, even if partially reflective of some government guidelines. Cooking alone in the kitchens on a rota, eating alone in your room and spending days and weeks only emerging to wash and take food deliveries. This is not humane, and outside of care homes and where there are high risk individuals, won't be occurring in any other self isolating households in the country, where generally people will act on the basis that if one's got it they will all get it - and the priority is to avoid spreading it outside of the immediate vicinity.

    A far better approach IMO would be tiered isolation IMO - those with clear symptoms/positive tests to be moved into specific accommodation until they are clear - but where they can mix safely with others also infected, whilst adopting looser quarantine provisions for those who may be close contacts of the proven cases. And also shifting vulnerable individuals out of potentially at risk accommodation.

    Another separate issue of course - students don't have a lot of space to store food and supplies - and generally individual "stocking up" and taking up large amounts of space in fridges and freezers is discouraged. Much accommodation is set up assuming that most students will do a lot of eating out in university canteens and the like and generally from "on-the-day" purchases. Telling people to rely on supermarket deliveries or takeaways is not a sustainable solution - even for relatively short periods of isolation.

    Also after a few weeks it is possible that some of those who rely on supplementing their income through part time jobs and the like will start running out of money. It's not inconceivable that we start hearing stories of both stealing of food and malnutrition in some student accommodation. And it's made worse if Universities are terrifying people into their rooms under threat, if not of the disease itself, but fines and disciplinary action.



  • kjh said:

    Have you been to Mars for a holiday?
    These Democrats seem to think that the Supreme Court should be filled immediately regardless of the upcoming elecetion.

    https://twitter.com/ITGuy1959/status/1307877608487628802
  • Does seem the ScotGov approach of closing pubs and off licences at 10 makes more sense:

    https://twitter.com/charliehtweets/status/1309988787943022592?s=20

    Is drinking outside dangerous particularly? I know the people in that picture are talking and they're closely spaced but the airflow should be excellent. It definitely seems better than a bunch of people going back to somebody's teensy living room.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177

    Is drinking outside dangerous particularly? I know the people in that picture are talking and they're closely spaced but the airflow should be excellent. It definitely seems better than a bunch of people going back to somebody's teensy living room.
    Well us in North East England are banned from hosting people outside our “support bubbles” in our gardens so... 🤷‍♂️
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,223
    edited September 2020
    OT next Sunday sees the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in Paris (and on ITV Racing). I've previously suggested backing Mogul (still available at 20/1 with William Hill and Betfair Exchange but 10 or 12/1 generally). The Racing Post reports that trainer Aidan O'Brien reports that Mogul will run in the Arc and not be sent to Australia or Hong Kong as originally planned.

    Though as the betting is generally 6/4 Love, 2/1 Enable, 10/1 bar, there may be value on any of the others if you know who will line up (in ante-post markets, you lose your stakes on non-runners). The market should mature this week as French trainers make their running plans known and entries are declared.

    A little bit of politics (h-t 1980s Ben Elton): The Irish government has made special quarantine arrangements for jockeys; the British government has not.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    edited September 2020

    So key question: Some of the voters clearly believe what you just said. Are any of them up for grabs if he shows up at the debate and performs cogently rather than to delivering a lengthy tirade in the direction of the door knob on the failed policies of the Van Buren administration? Or is it only the Trumpists who believe this stuff, and they're with Trump no matter what?
    While Americans can register as supporters of a political party by no means all do, and equally, by no means all registered voters vote. Americans have one of the worst voting records in the world, even allowing for disqualifications for sneezing in a public place and the like.

    There must be (I sincerely hope, anyway) a lot of people who didn't vote last time, and not just those un-enthused by Ms Clinton, who are equally unenthusiastic about Trump, who will turn out this, and, in the words of the crowd the other evening 'vote him out'.
    The best thing to see on election night, surely, would be a close run thing in somewhere like Utah. That might convince the Orange One that he really had lost.
  • Sandpit said:

    Because it’s pretty much unenforceable in the vast majority of jurisdictions.
    As long as you never want to come back or renew your passport.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,080

    In all the excitement. I clean forget MoE.

    So in reality Cons. standing reasonably firm for the moment. I do believe we could be out of MoE territory by early 2021.
    Latest EMA including Opinium and Delta polls is
    Con 41.2% Lab 38.4%
    Tory lead of 3%
    Tories 10 short of a majority.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    These Democrats seem to think that the Supreme Court should be filled immediately regardless of the upcoming elecetion.

    https://twitter.com/ITGuy1959/status/1307877608487628802
    I wouldn't dispute anything they all say, but GOP set the precedent by holding back Obama's nominee. It was unconstitutional!
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited September 2020

    I thought last orders at ten and remaining until one finishes, here in Wales was ridiculous, but maybe not so stupid after all. In England one can order five pints at 5 to 10 and have to consume them all in five minutes. Here in Wales one gets around an hour to finish their five for the road, after "stop tap".
    Yes it's obvious that the approach should have been the traditional "last orders" (and locking the doors to those on the outside), not "everybody out". People who dreamt up these things don't live in the real world.

    Perhaps there was some technical issue about over-riding landlords existing licensing conditions?
  • I wouldn't dispute anything they all say, but GOP set the precedent by holding back Obama's nominee. It was unconstitutional!
    Right. So the Republicans were in the wrong back then and now the Democrats are in the wrong now.
  • Is drinking outside dangerous particularly? I know the people in that picture are talking and they're closely spaced but the airflow should be excellent. It definitely seems better than a bunch of people going back to somebody's teensy living room.
    Outdoors but chanting/singing lots of saliva into the air, so it is swings and roundabouts. It is not really clear what is the point of the 10pm curfew (shades of Jim Callaghan's tongue-in-cheek All good people are in bed by 10 o'clock.) and a couple of SAGE types have been unenthusiastic.
  • Both my son's came back from University in mid March, having enjoyed a term and a half of their second years at University. Lockdown intervention was minimal (I mean virtually non existent) between March and June, so both missed almost half an academic year. There has been no reimbursement of the £9000 and £9250 each of them paid.

    One has gone back to the University of South Wales and is in lockdown in RCT. He is autistic and living in a 6 room flat on his own. The other five rooms were for overseas students, who have not returned. He has been alone for a fortnight, and being compliant refuses to drive home. He was promised a mix of online and face to face teaching. The unions have said students can whistle for the face to face training.

    The youngest is expecting to go back this week. He is fortunate in that he is not in halls, but he expects little more than his brother has seen.

    The statements from Scotland are outrageous. A first time away from the family home-sick fresher is expected to cope with being locked in over Christmas is nothing short of mental torture.

    This really hasn't been thought through. That will be £9250 please. Rip-off Britain, as we live and breath.
    I really do not know how to square the circle and do think the student crisis and the way it is handled, especially in Scotland, is going to result in years of disillusioned young people

    However, it does not change my view that a minority of badly behaving students should be expelled from their University

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Right. So the Republicans were in the wrong back then and now the Democrats are in the wrong now.
    So your solution is to give the GOP what they want under every circumstance?
  • Well us in North East England are banned from hosting people outside our “support bubbles” in our gardens so... 🤷‍♂️
    Sure but is that enforceable in practice?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    Both my son's came back from University in mid March, having enjoyed a term and a half of their second years at University. Lockdown intervention was minimal (I mean virtually non existent) between March and June, so both missed almost half an academic year. There has been no reimbursement of the £9000 and £9250 each of them paid.

    One has gone back to the University of South Wales and is in lockdown in RCT. He is autistic and living in a 6 room flat on his own. The other five rooms were for overseas students, who have not returned. He has been alone for a fortnight, and being compliant refuses to drive home. He was promised a mix of online and face to face teaching. The unions have said students can whistle for the face to face training.

    The youngest is expecting to go back this week. He is fortunate in that he is not in halls, but he expects little more than his brother has seen.

    The statements from Scotland are outrageous. A first time away from the family home-sick fresher is expected to cope with being locked in over Christmas is nothing short of mental torture.

    This really hasn't been thought through. That will be £9250 please. Rip-off Britain, as we live and breath.
    P.S. I edited out as many rogue apostrophes that my phone kindly added for me, but I missed out on the one on the first line.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited September 2020

    I wouldn't dispute anything they all say, but GOP set the precedent by holding back Obama's nominee. It was unconstitutional!
    Also - in 2016 the Republicans didn't just refuse to confirm the nominee (as was their constitutional right). The actively sought to delay and obstruct the process so that it didn't even get off the ground.

    Anyone with half a brain can see that how ever much the Republicans may be trying to argue the "hypocrisy" of the Democrats, it simply doesn't hold up once they changed the rules of the game. It's like the abolition of the filibuster. Once one side abolishes the filibuster, the other side can't be expected to hold to it. Which is why they are attempting to produce these irrelevant distinctions about one party holding both Presidency and Senate. Far more merit would be had in arguing about changing the balance of the court (ie. Republican nominated being replaced by Democrat nominee or vice versa), except unfortunately for them it isn't available.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    edited September 2020
    Oliver Dowding on Marr clearly telling the Premier League they need to support football

    I understand the cost is £250 million so the average cost per Premier League club is £12.5 million

    That figure is less than some individual Premier League players earn per year

    HMG is right to tell the Premier League to look after their own
  • This. 1000x this.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1310139207386640385

    Parliament needs a debate.
  • I have had a wonderful holiday in Freiberg in Breisgau visiting family, where everyone behaves and wears masks and keeps 2 metres and tracks and traces, and I come home to this,

    Boris is an idiot, I didn't think he could be this bad. He needs an et tu brute job and asap.... but it will not happen now, not until we have left the EU. Let him take the blame for the fiasco.

    The queue of lorries at Eurotunnel in France was miles long.. God knows what it will be like post brexit.

    Has anyone had trouble using PB on Android??? I get infuriating ads offering me three free spins to nothing and I have to switch my phone off to get rid of it. there is no x to delete such crap. Is it a Smithson Junior matter?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Outdoors but chanting/singing lots of saliva into the air, so it is swings and roundabouts. It is not really clear what is the point of the 10pm curfew (shades of Jim Callaghan's tongue-in-cheek All good people are in bed by 10 o'clock.) and a couple of SAGE types have been unenthusiastic.
    Perhaps they could introduce the Scottish ban on household mixing, whilst simultaneously abolishing the 10pm curfew...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    I really do not know how to square the circle and do think the student crisis and the way it is handled, especially in Scotland, is going to result in years of disillusioned young people

    However, it does not change my view that a minority of badly behaving students should be expelled from their University

    I think your point is probably a fair one. But you are happy to punish a(n) (granted, dangerously cavalier) excitable eighteen year old student, penalising them for the rest of their days, yet Cummings and Jenrick (although they were big boys who should have known better) get away with what they did because they are superior to the rest of us.
  • Michigan-Mississippi now at parity on 538:

    Trump wins Michigan: 14%
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/michigan/

    Biden wins Mississippi: 14%
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/mississippi/
  • Foxy said:

    I agree, even though much of it is informal discussion, revision, even copying of notes, university is a collective learning experience, not solely an individual one. A symposium is "drinking together" an informal discussion.

    Sure, there is time for baccanalia too, but that needs to be restrained, while the educational parts of the collective experience are retained. It is a difficult balance for the universities.
    Maybe students should have been confined to campus for 3-4 weeks and encouraged to mix. They'll have all had it by November and be safe to go out and about. Harder to do in a town centre university though
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580

    I really do not know how to square the circle and do think the student crisis and the way it is handled, especially in Scotland, is going to result in years of disillusioned young people

    However, it does not change my view that a minority of badly behaving students should be expelled from their University

    Is there still a Bullingdon Club at Oxford? If so, how is it operating. Or is it too early in term to know?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    alex_ said:


    Also - in 2016 the Republicans didn't just refuse to confirm the nominee (as was their constitutional right). The actively sought to delay and obstruct the process so that it didn't even get off the ground.

    Anyone with half a brain can see that how ever much the Republicans may be trying to argue the "hypocrisy" of the Democrats, it simply doesn't hold up once they changed the rules of the game. It's like the abolition of the filibuster. Once one side abolishes the filibuster, the other side can't be expected to hold to it. Which is why they are attempting to produce these irrelevant distinctions about one party holding both Presidency and Senate. Far more merit would be had in arguing about changing the balance of the court (ie. Republican nominated being replaced by Democrat nominee or vice versa), except unfortunately for them it isn't available.
    Amy Coney Barret herself argued that stopping Garland getting hearings was justified as he was changing the balance of the judge being replaced.

    She is hoist by her own petard.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    Is there still a Bullingdon Club at Oxford? If so, how is it operating. Or is it too early in term to know?
    Our future Prime Ministers. Leave them alone!
  • I think your point is probably a fair one. But you are happy to punish a(n) (granted, dangerously cavalier) excitable eighteen year old student, penalising them for the rest of their days, yet Cummings and Jenrick (although they were big boys who should have known better) get away with what they did because they are superior to the rest of us.
    To be fair Cummings, Jenrick and Williamson should have been summarily fired and I want Boris gone ASAP

    But my point about the bad behaviour by some students being expelled remains
  • Alistair said:

    So your solution is to give the GOP what they want under every circumstance?
    The solution is to uphold the constitution and allow the president to nominate a candidate for the supreme court.
  • Is there still a Bullingdon Club at Oxford? If so, how is it operating. Or is it too early in term to know?
    I have no idea
  • alex_ said:

    Perhaps they could introduce the Scottish ban on household mixing, whilst simultaneously abolishing the 10pm curfew...
    Polite request. Can we stop with the debate over whether the 10pm pub shut does anything about the the scale of the virus spread? It doesn't. If anything it makes it worse by sending people to home parties. It is now increasingly clear that it was made up on the back of a fag packet as a way of being seen to be doing something.

    See Hodges Mail article this morning for example.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177

    Sure but is that enforceable in practice?
    Depends if you live next to @HYUFD or not?
  • I have had a wonderful holiday in Freiberg in Breisgau visiting family, where everyone behaves and wears masks and keeps 2 metres and tracks and traces, and I come home to this,

    Boris is an idiot, I didn't think he could be this bad. He needs an et tu brute job and asap.... but it will not happen now, not until we have left the EU. Let him take the blame for the fiasco.

    The queue of lorries at Eurotunnel in France was miles long.. God knows what it will be like post brexit.

    Has anyone had trouble using PB on Android??? I get infuriating ads offering me three free spins to nothing and I have to switch my phone off to get rid of it. there is no x to delete such crap. Is it a Smithson Junior matter?

    The ads on the mobile version are a menace and make the site totally unusable.These days I restrict PB use to the laptop instead.
  • Polite request. Can we stop with the debate over whether the 10pm pub shut does anything about the the scale of the virus spread? It doesn't. If anything it makes it worse by sending people to home parties. It is now increasingly clear that it was made up on the back of a fag packet as a way of being seen to be doing something.

    See Hodges Mail article this morning for example.
    And that is why Sturgeon has made that behaviour illegal
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    Oliver Dowding on Marr clearly telling the Premier League they need to support football

    I understand the cost is £250 million so the average cost per Premier League club is £12.5 million

    That figure is less than some individual Premier League players earn per year

    HMG is right to tell the Premier League to look after their own

    Oliver was so pleased earlier in the year at the prospect of a return to Glyndebourne. So with today's footballing message, he is down with the kids and the Red Wall after all.

    By the way Premier League Clubs are businesses. A morally crusading government has no business telling them what to do.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177

    Maybe students should have been confined to campus for 3-4 weeks and encouraged to mix. They'll have all had it by November and be safe to go out and about. Harder to do in a town centre university though
    Impossible to do in a town centre university, you mean. Likewise even in campus universities like Warwick, students still need to go out into the community to buy food.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247

    I have no idea
    It meets 4 times a year, IIRC. All the stories are horse manure, by the way.

  • Scott_xP said:
    The left has run almost the entire establishment for decades. Now finally a few right wingers are getting put in positions of power the toys are leaving the pram.

    Thumbs up for Cummings from me if it is his doing.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177

    The solution is to uphold the constitution and allow the president to nominate a candidate for the supreme court.
    Nobody is "not allowing" the president to nominate a candidate, they are simply criticising him (and the GOP) for doing so. Must you really get so outraged about everything?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Surely it is VERY enforceable if you return to the USA for any reason - like Grandma's funeral? You know the yanks - a parking ticket gets you 10 years in jail with no parole.... ;)
    Oh, the overseas Yanks still fill in the forms. It’s just that in a lot of cases they’re not employed in such a way that makes the paying of the overseas taxes mandatory.

    There’s a large ($120k) allowance, and taxes paid overseas can be offset. Most of the others are either paid in forms other than money into a bank account, and many jurisdictions don’t have an income tax system. Yanks I know in sales jobs over here get their commissions paid to them in cash. As in piles of banknotes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Oliver Dowding on Marr clearly telling the Premier League they need to support football

    I understand the cost is £250 million so the average cost per Premier League club is £12.5 million

    That figure is less than some individual Premier League players earn per year

    HMG is right to tell the Premier League to look after their own

    So large hotel chains should look after independent ones as well then?

    It's government action that has destroyed lower league clubs, why should other private business pick up the bill?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    To be fair Cummings, Jenrick and Williamson should have been summarily fired and I want Boris gone ASAP

    But my point about the bad behaviour by some students being expelled remains
    But they weren't. In fact post bad behaviour, Jenrick was found to have rewarded himself with a £10,000 donation to his party from the Minister for Pornography and Cummings has helped himself to the BBC's scalp.
  • Oliver was so pleased earlier in the year at the prospect of a return to Glyndebourne. So with today's footballing message, he is down with the kids and the Red Wall after all.

    By the way Premier League Clubs are businesses. A morally crusading government has no business telling them what to do.
    I agree but not when they are asking it for money
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823

    Impossible to do in a town centre university, you mean. Likewise even in campus universities like Warwick, students still need to go out into the community to buy food.
    Yeah wouldn't be able to do that at Cardiff, uni in the city centre, halls at least a 20 min walk.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797

    The solution is to uphold the constitution and allow the president to nominate a candidate for the supreme court.
    Rushing through a nomination in this manner so close to the election, and in the context of what happened to Merrick Garland (something you seem happy to ignore) is no kind of solution at all.
    The legitimacy of the court will be an issue for the next decade at least.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Polite request. Can we stop with the debate over whether the 10pm pub shut does anything about the the scale of the virus spread? It doesn't. If anything it makes it worse by sending people to home parties. It is now increasingly clear that it was made up on the back of a fag packet as a way of being seen to be doing something.

    See Hodges Mail article this morning for example.
    rb - that was my point. Bring in a new measure which might do something (if followed) whilst (giving political cover to) reversing something that was neutral at best, if not downright counterproductive (which will also help economically).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    I agree but not when they are asking it for money
    I was playing a sort of JRM-style devil's advocate. But on that basis my point stands up.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    MaxPB said:

    Yeah wouldn't be able to do that at Cardiff, uni in the city centre, halls at least a 20 min walk.
    Same in Newcastle, for both Newcastle and Northumbria universities.
  • MaxPB said:

    So large hotel chains should look after independent ones as well then?

    It's government action that has destroyed lower league clubs, why should other private business pick up the bill?
    In these circumstances when money is tight it is right for wealthy football clubs to help their sport

    Furthermore, the outcry from the populace if HMG were seen to hand the Premier League money would be deafening
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    That tweet is reassuring for those at that university. That is not how self isolation is being practiced universally.
  • But they weren't. In fact post bad behaviour, Jenrick was found to have rewarded himself with a £10,000 donation to his party from the Minister for Pornography and Cummings has helped himself to the BBC's scalp.
    I agree and Boris needs to go
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,950

    Same in Newcastle, for both Newcastle and Northumbria universities.
    And what about London? By far the largest number of students in the country. Where there is no semblance of a Campus at all and Halls are spread around the City.
  • Good morning all
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    The left has run almost the entire establishment for decades. Now finally a few right wingers are getting put in positions of power the toys are leaving the pram.

    Thumbs up for Cummings from me if it is his doing.
    What withering nonsense. In my 58 years I have known just 23 years of Labour Governments. Since I have had a vote at the age of eighteen, some 40 years, I have experienced just 13 years of non-Conservative led government.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    I agree but not when they are asking it for money
    Who says they are?
  • alex_ said:

    Who says they are?
    Dowding was clearly indicating they were seeking cash aid due to loss of fans for most of this season
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    Just watching the local politics show on BBC One and they've gone for vox pops from formerly local expats. The expats in France and Spain were whinging about how much safer they are in those countries and that Britain's lockdown is "lazy".

    Both missing the point that both of their own countries opened up way too much over the summer and that they still have fewer restrictions, while their case numbers are still well above the UK even though we're chasing.

    I'm all for the public getting a say on TV, but I do wish the BBC wouldn't air views that include nonsense that flies in the face of the figures.
  • What withering nonsense. In my 58 years I have known just 23 years of Labour Governments. Since I have had a vote at the age of eighteen, some 40 years, I have experienced just 13 years of non-Conservative led government.
    And that was down to Blair, the only time I have ever voted labour (twice)
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    edited September 2020

    What withering nonsense. In my 58 years I have known just 23 years of Labour Governments. Since I have had a vote at the age of eighteen, some 40 years, I have experienced just 13 years of non-Conservative led government.
    I'm not talking about government I'm talking about the civil service, education, the BBC, Channel 4, legal profession etc. etc.

    Now is the first time a Tory government has dared to try to shift the balance the other way in a long time.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Dowding was clearly indicating they were seeking cash aid due to loss of fans for most of this season
    My understanding was that the Premier League are saying that they won't support the lower levels unless they are given clear assurances on the return of fans to their own stadia (with guidance as to how this will be able to operate 'safely' (that won't be altered at a future date once investment has been made to allow it to happen), backed up by financial commitments if those assurances are then rowed back upon.

    In general TV money means the PL can stand on its own two feet. The lower leagues need fans, or help.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    alex_ said:

    rb - that was my point. Bring in a new measure which might do something (if followed) whilst (giving political cover to) reversing something that was neutral at best, if not downright counterproductive (which will also help economically).
    Set latest closing time at 1:00 no entry after 12:00 with landlords discretion within those hours. Mandate mask wearing in the street and ban alcohol consumption outside, police the streets and inside the bars to ensure distancing, group size and table service etc.
  • alex_ said:

    My understanding was that the Premier League are saying that they won't support the lower levels unless they are given clear assurances on the return of fans to their own stadia (with guidance as to how this will be able to operate 'safely' (that won't be altered at a future date once investment has been made to allow it to happen), backed up by financial commitments if those assurances are then rowed back upon.

    In general TV money means the PL can stand on its own two feet. The lower leagues need fans, or help.
    I cannot see fans at matches for months
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    I'm not talking about government I'm talking about the civil service, the BBC, Channel 4, legal profession etc. etc.

    Now is the first time a Tory government has dared to try to shift the balance the other way in a long time.
    Get out more, read less Guido and grow up.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    I'm not talking about government I'm talking about the civil service, the BBC, Channel 4, legal profession etc. etc.

    Now is the first time a Tory government has dared to try to shift the balance the other way in a long time.
    The Tory Govt is "shifting the balance" by appointing people to head institutions that are pledged to destroy them? Hardly surprising they haven't tried that before... They have certainly appoint Tories to head up the BBC and the like, but nothing so blatant as this.
  • alex_ said:

    That tweet is reassuring for those at that university. That is not how self isolation is being practiced universally.
    I guess one question that needs to be asked, is whether these student outbreaks actually significant in terms of numbers locally. If not, maybe they should just be managed in the same way as any other local outbreak
  • Get out more, read less Guido and grow up.
    Well this is a well thought out argument.

    As I said the toys leave the pram when the left don't get what they want.
  • MaxPB said:

    So large hotel chains should look after independent ones as well then?

    It's government action that has destroyed lower league clubs, why should other private business pick up the bill?
    The Premier League isn't completely independent of the rest of the football pyramid. Ensuring a good foundation of league football in this country is very much in the Premier League's interests. There's a reason many Premier League like Klopp have already supported the idea.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2020

    The solution is to uphold the constitution and allow the president to nominate a candidate for the supreme court.
    So you will have no objection when the Dems increase the size of the court and add another 5 judges next session then if they win? It will be fully constitutional.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited September 2020
    Betting post.

    Bottas at 5.6 (BfEx) seems excellent value to win the Grand Prix.
    Alternatively lay Lewis at 1.64. He starts on the ‘wrong’ strategy with soft tyres, after a difficult qualifying session yesterday.
  • alex_ said:

    The Tory Govt is "shifting the balance" by appointing people to head institutions that are pledged to destroy them? Hardly surprising they haven't tried that before... They have certainly appoint Tories to head up the BBC and the like, but nothing so blatant as this.
    The BBC isn't going to be destroyed.

    What ludicrous hyperbole.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012

    I'm not talking about government I'm talking about the civil service, education, the BBC, Channel 4, legal profession etc. etc.

    Now is the first time a Tory government has dared to try to shift the balance the other way in a long time.
    Cummings goes Gramsci.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    Sandpit said:

    Betting post.

    Bottas at 5.6 (BfEx) seems excellent value to win the Grand Prix.
    Alternatively lay Lewis at 1.64. He starts on the ‘wrong’ strategy with soft tyres, after a difficult qualifying session yesterday.

    Bottas just doesn't have the bottle.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    Sandpit said:

    Oh, the overseas Yanks still fill in the forms. It’s just that in a lot of cases they’re not employed in such a way that makes the paying of the overseas taxes mandatory.

    There’s a large ($120k) allowance, and taxes paid overseas can be offset. Most of the others are either paid in forms other than money into a bank account, and many jurisdictions don’t have an income tax system. Yanks I know in sales jobs over here get their commissions paid to them in cash. As in piles of banknotes.
    Don't think that's the case everywhere. Thailand for example.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited September 2020

    I cannot see fans at matches for months
    This comment is a non-sequitur to those that preceded it. You said that PL were asking for money to compensate for lack of fans at their stadia. I questioned that. That they might be setting impossible conditions to putting money into assisting the lower leagues is a different question, but doesn't amount to directly asking the Government for money.

    (although incidentally - in other areas of the economy the Government haven't been seeking to base financial assistance for losses of income caused by Government imposed restrictions on how rich the businesses were perceived to be).

    There also wouldn't be much point in the Government making financial support to PL clubs conditional on them helping out Lower league clubs more in need. They might as well just give to the lower leagues directly. Which they are arguing against saying it is the PL responsibility.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339

    And that was down to Blair, the only time I have ever voted labour (twice)
    If I were 70 BigG. I would still only have seen 23 years of non-Conservative governments.

    I have to go. Those people on here supporting Cummings' destruction of British institutions are from the same block that would have been supporting the Third Reich had they been 1930s Germans.

    I am not suggesting Cummings is that extreme, but if he was, these people would still be cheering him on.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580

    What withering nonsense. In my 58 years I have known just 23 years of Labour Governments. Since I have had a vote at the age of eighteen, some 40 years, I have experienced just 13 years of non-Conservative led government.
    As a leftie I always thought the BBC was a bit to the right in news and serious comment, but it could be irreverent, so, one way and another, fair enough. However in the Brexit era (yes I know we've not quite finished it) it leant far too far over towards the UKIP position. The BBC East, the one I watch, was almost Brexit Central.
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