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I believe Carlotta had something to say about how shit the SNP was when this happened after schools went back in Scotland.Scott_xP said:0 -
If I recall, so far nowhere where there cases have started going up steeply have seen a big increase in hospital admissions and so on.Alistair said:
Look at the US state of Georgia's graphs. Their deaths fell even as cases exploded in their second waveWhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
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There was a 2.5% swing to Labour in 92, that'd see Trump out.rottenborough said:That focus group finding of suburban women has a ring of the 1992 GE election for me.
Quietly back the incubant out of fear. 1992 it was fear of tax. 2020 POTUS fear of riots in their backyard.1 -
Disgraceful by the Tories.0
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That quote is proceeded by saying it was unclear which way this would push them.rottenborough said:For all those good PBers laying Trump at the moment:
https://twitter.com/davidsiders/status/13029670656035225610 -
What’s the justification behind this Grenfell thing?0
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Can you explain the details please?CorrectHorseBattery said:Disgraceful by the Tories.
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Phil will be along to spin it shortly...Gallowgate said:What’s the justification behind this Grenfell thing?
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What Grenfell thing? There's nothing about it on the BBC.Gallowgate said:What’s the justification behind this Grenfell thing?
Most of these "the Tories voted against this" Tweets end up being anti-Ronseal nonsense.0 -
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Gallowgate said:
OK so. I selected “high temperature” and got through to the booking screen.
There’s no home test kits available, and no drive-through or walk-through appointments available in the next 2 weeks within 100 miles.
I bet @Philip_Thompson still would describe this as “fantastic” or “world-beating” or something.
I don’t know what to do.
Dreadful. Hope you find some solution.Gallowgate said:OK so. I selected “high temperature” and got through to the booking screen.
There’s no home test kits available, and no drive-through or walk-through appointments available in the next 2 weeks within 100 miles.
I bet @Philip_Thompson still would describe this as “fantastic” or “world-beating” or something.
I don’t know what to do.
Without wishing to make it about me...I live close to you. Have a 16 year old at school and no one in our household drives.
What do we do if we show symptoms?
I'll be getting on a train for 100 miles with a possible case?
World beating.
Other nations must be green with envy.0 -
The deal must be rewritten, then it's No Deal this week surely0
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Hope so.Pulpstar said:
There was a 2.5% swing to Labour in 92, that'd see Trump out.rottenborough said:That focus group finding of suburban women has a ring of the 1992 GE election for me.
Quietly back the incubant out of fear. 1992 it was fear of tax. 2020 POTUS fear of riots in their backyard.0 -
CHB knows all about it as he's described the Tories voting as disgraceful.Philip_Thompson said:
What Grenfell thing? There's nothing about it on the BBC.Gallowgate said:What’s the justification behind this Grenfell thing?
Most of these "the Tories voted against this" Tweets end up being anti-Ronseal nonsense.1 -
All in all that article is about 700 times less definitive than the pull quote.rottenborough said:For all those good PBers laying Trump at the moment:
https://twitter.com/davidsiders/status/1302967065603522561
The summary is "even though there is zero polling shift and in fact Biden is leading on law and Order in the polling we pundits put so much ink into saying that law and Order would win it for Trump we are now searching for any scrap of something to show we are not idiots"0 -
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I'm genuinely beginning to think the best thing to do is to just call off the talks and say we'll pick them back up in a year's time and go to WTO. Enough of this nonsense already.CorrectHorseBattery said:The deal must be rewritten, then it's No Deal this week surely
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Well. Maybe this isn't just a short-term position after all. The pound will take another walloping again.Scott_xP said:0 -
Right so they've voted against a Labour amendment, not Grenfell, makes sense. I wonder what the details of the amendment and the bill were? There's nothing at all I can see about it even on the BBC's Politics webpage.Scott_xP said:0 -
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
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https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/828Philip_Thompson said:
What Grenfell thing? There's nothing about it on the BBC.Gallowgate said:What’s the justification behind this Grenfell thing?
Most of these "the Tories voted against this" Tweets end up being anti-Ronseal nonsense.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0121/amend/fire_daily_rep_0904.pdf
“Duties of owner or manager
The relevant authority must by regulations amend the Regulatory Reform (Fire
Safety) Order 2005 (SI 2005/1541) to require an owner or a manager of any
building which contains two or more sets of domestic premises to—
(a) share information with their local Fire and Rescue Service in respect of
each building for which an owner or manager is responsible about the
design of its external walls and details of the materials of which those
external walls are constructed;
(b) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible
which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of individual
flat entrance doors;
(c) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible
which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of lifts and
report the results to their local Fire and Rescue Service; and
2 Consideration of Bill (Report Stage): 7 September 2020
Fire Safety Bill, continued
(d) share evacuation and fire safety instructions with residents of the
building.”
Member’s explanatory statement
This new clause would place various requirements on building owners or managers, and would
implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One Report.0 -
It's not "unbelievable" though. Johnson is a lying charlatan who will say whatever works for the moment in hand.WhisperingOracle said:
Well. Maybe this isn't just a short-term position after all.Scott_xP said:
The pound will take another hit again.1 -
Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.1
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implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One ReportPhilip_Thompson said:Right so they've voted against a Labour amendment, not Grenfell, makes sense. I wonder what the details of the amendment and the bill were?
Just once, maybe, read before posting...0 -
Sounds relatively non controversial apart from the limit of two domestic premises - I'd have thought something like 5 or more would be suitable.noneoftheabove said:
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/828Philip_Thompson said:
What Grenfell thing? There's nothing about it on the BBC.Gallowgate said:What’s the justification behind this Grenfell thing?
Most of these "the Tories voted against this" Tweets end up being anti-Ronseal nonsense.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0121/amend/fire_daily_rep_0904.pdf
“Duties of owner or manager
The relevant authority must by regulations amend the Regulatory Reform (Fire
Safety) Order 2005 (SI 2005/1541) to require an owner or a manager of any
building which contains two or more sets of domestic premises to—
(a) share information with their local Fire and Rescue Service in respect of
each building for which an owner or manager is responsible about the
design of its external walls and details of the materials of which those
external walls are constructed;
(b) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible
which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of individual
flat entrance doors;
(c) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible
which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of lifts and
report the results to their local Fire and Rescue Service; and
2 Consideration of Bill (Report Stage): 7 September 2020
Fire Safety Bill, continued
(d) share evacuation and fire safety instructions with residents of the
building.”
Member’s explanatory statement
This new clause would place various requirements on building owners or managers, and would
implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One Report.0 -
You're very welcome, always nice to see a new memberladupnorth said:Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
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One of the strategists described a focus group in which white, college-educated women reacted to the protests by discussing their own property values and, in one woman’s case, her family’s mortgage.Alistair said:
All in all that article is about 700 times less definitive than the pull quote.rottenborough said:For all those good PBers laying Trump at the moment:
https://twitter.com/davidsiders/status/1302967065603522561
The summary is "even though there is zero polling shift and in fact Biden is leading on law and Order in the polling we pundits put so much ink into saying that law and Order would win it for Trump we are now searching for any scrap of something to show we are not idiots"
Sounds like the Bree Van de Kamp pearls and NRA card vote. Always solid GOP.0 -
I did read. "implement the recommendations" is spin, not the wording of the amendment that would be made law.Scott_xP said:
implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One ReportPhilip_Thompson said:Right so they've voted against a Labour amendment, not Grenfell, makes sense. I wonder what the details of the amendment and the bill were?
Just once, maybe, read before posting...
I see from the voting the SNP abstained despite Plaid Cymru voting. Not sure if its because they're viewing it as an English and Welsh matter, or because they didn't agree with it either?0 -
It's the only place to be on election night.ladupnorth said:Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
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You really haven't seen bad temper on here...ladupnorth said:Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
And yes it is great fun. Sometimes when it is bad tempered too.
And it is often genuinely educational.
Just don't bother trying to change anyone's mind.
Welcome and stick around.0 -
Thank you. I've got a day job so can't be on here as much as I'd like. After skimming a few threads in the last week or so some posters appear to spend every waking hour here, and then some.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You're very welcome, always nice to see a new memberladupnorth said:Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
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Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.0 -
I see Owen Jones is trying to get somebody cancelled from Twitter again.0
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There isn't a table big enough for all these dead cats.Scott_xP said:This is great news for BoZo
The testing shitshow, or the back to school shitshow, means that Starmer probably won't ask him about the Brexit shitshow at PMQs...0 -
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If at or after 9am tomorrow you can get a same day or next day appointment then that's one thing.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
If at or after 9am tomorrow you can get an appointment only for the 22nd that's something else.0 -
If you dont get a test result back with a couple of days of first symptoms its pretty pointless, we should be aiming to get all test results back within 24 hours or less.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
The only tests that should be able to be booked 2 weeks in advance are regular testing in care homes or key workers - if you have symptoms now you should not be able to book that far in advance as you would be blocking capacity for no gain.1 -
The Georgia deaths came, and they eclipsed the first wave. Second peak twice as high as the first.rottenborough said:
If I recall, so far nowhere where there cases have started going up steeply have seen a big increase in hospital admissions and so on.Alistair said:
Look at the US state of Georgia's graphs. Their deaths fell even as cases exploded in their second waveWhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.0 -
Alistair said:
The Georgia deaths came, and they eclipsed the first wave. Second peak twice as high as the first.rottenborough said:
If I recall, so far nowhere where there cases have started going up steeply have seen a big increase in hospital admissions and so on.Alistair said:
Look at the US state of Georgia's graphs. Their deaths fell even as cases exploded in their second waveWhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Yes. People take a while to die.0 -
Either Cummings' game theory in a first phase, or we're heading for no deal.Scott_xP said:0 -
If we're attacking the deal we already signed we've got no hope of a new one.
This is just setting the stage for a No Deal announcement0 -
That will be the pre-schoolers and the pensioners ...ladupnorth said:
Thank you. I've got a day job so can't be on here as much as I'd like. After skimming a few threads in the last week or so some posters appear to spend every waking hour here, and then some.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You're very welcome, always nice to see a new memberladupnorth said:Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
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Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.0 -
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.1
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It could just be playing hardball.CorrectHorseBattery said:If we're attacking the deal we already signed we've got no hope of a new one.
This is just setting the stage for a No Deal announcement
We won't know for another six weeks.0 -
This is BoZo's oven ready deal that he was lauded for signing.WhisperingOracle said:Either Cummings' game theory in a first phase, or we're heading for no deal.
Now he says it's shit.
And still the fanbois cheer...0 -
Maybe its Russian bots booking and not turning up! Its not a pleasant experience (not painful but not pleasant) so dont know why people would just book for a giggle?rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.0 -
Why are people getting worked up about this? It is just the govt tearing up another promise.Scott_xP said:twitter.com/LabourSJ/status/1303055625321164802
Situation normal........
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More likely, the return to school/work/whatever has massively increased the demand on the system (didn't that happen in Scotland, where schools went back a couple of weeks ago?)rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
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The Deal trumpeted to a GE landslide?CorrectHorseBattery said:If we're attacking the deal we already signed we've got no hope of a new one.
This is just setting the stage for a No Deal announcement
That one?1 -
Quick and easy means removing the last vestiges of protection for both heritage and environment. We already have catastrophic habitat loss and the new planning regime will just make that all the worse.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course, this is a symptom of a flawed planning system.Richard_Tyndall said:
The usual suspects will be on here telling us this is all false and it is really because of planning laws and the lack of available land so we should just let the builders do what they want. It's bloody infuriating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The problem is that because of how insane our planning system is that having a plot of land with consent is worth a lot more than a plot of land. Actually then building the property adds value too, but the "value" of simply achieving consent is ridiculously overvalued.
Which means that there exist too many companies who make profit simply from getting land, getting consent then looking to flip it on with consent. No need to actually do any hard work like actually building a building on the site.
In a functional property market these companies would be considered parasites and not valuable. Because of our screwed up planning system, these companies serve a purpose, which is inane they really ought not to exist at all.
If planning were quick, simple and easy to get then land with consent would not be worth much if any more than land on it own which means that sitting on banks of land with consent would be totally pointless.0 -
The capacity is not mobile enough, it can't be rapidly expanded in problem areas.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
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The interesting giveaway is that the PB Brexiteers are seeking who to blame for Brexit.WhisperingOracle said:The fairly transparent attempt to shift the blame for Brexit to Labour MP's is one of PB's eccentricities - just an inevitable quirk of the preponderance of right-leaning views on here, really.
You don't search for blame when heading for sunlight uplands, just when going down the pan.4 -
When the cold and flu season hits I think we will need closer to a million a day.NerysHughes said:
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.1 -
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.1 -
Economic effects of pound-euro parity could come before that, though - at a moment when the furlough scheme ends.Philip_Thompson said:
It could just be playing hardball.CorrectHorseBattery said:If we're attacking the deal we already signed we've got no hope of a new one.
This is just setting the stage for a No Deal announcement
We won't know for another six weeks.1 -
Something odd is going on. IIRC a poster on here earlier today was saying how efficiently their test had been dealt with in the last few days, and from what I've gleaned that poster is no great admirer of the government. Can't remember the poster's name though.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
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We should remember that the uk tests more than any other European countryPhilip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.1 -
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in ScotlandPhilip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.1 -
Flu season may not be as bad as normal, what with all that hand washing, sanitiser and social distancing.noneoftheabove said:
When the cold and flu season hits I think we will need closer to a million a day.NerysHughes said:
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.0 -
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It’s the first time I’ve seen the Yorkshire post quotedScott_xP said:0 -
No, not necessarily the case at all - though absolutely I do think that we "protect" too many areas, but that is a separate debate.Richard_Tyndall said:
Quick and easy means removing the last vestiges of protection for both heritage and environment. We already have catastrophic habitat loss and the new planning regime will just make that all the worse.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course, this is a symptom of a flawed planning system.Richard_Tyndall said:
The usual suspects will be on here telling us this is all false and it is really because of planning laws and the lack of available land so we should just let the builders do what they want. It's bloody infuriating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The problem is that because of how insane our planning system is that having a plot of land with consent is worth a lot more than a plot of land. Actually then building the property adds value too, but the "value" of simply achieving consent is ridiculously overvalued.
Which means that there exist too many companies who make profit simply from getting land, getting consent then looking to flip it on with consent. No need to actually do any hard work like actually building a building on the site.
In a functional property market these companies would be considered parasites and not valuable. Because of our screwed up planning system, these companies serve a purpose, which is inane they really ought not to exist at all.
If planning were quick, simple and easy to get then land with consent would not be worth much if any more than land on it own which means that sitting on banks of land with consent would be totally pointless.
Japanese style zonal planning consent is much, much better: essentially local areas give zoning indications of green areas where consent is virtually automatic, amber where its more complicated and red where it is prevented. Then rather than a developer spending years getting planning for an estate . . . or even worse a speculator doing so then looking to flip it on to a developer . . . people can simply get the land they want and build the home they want and that's it.
If consent in a "green zone" is virtually automatic (subject to planning regulations) then owning land with consent becomes worthless. The land already had consent so getting it or sitting on it is achieving nothing so someone who actually intends to build should get the land rather than a speculator hoping to get consent then flip in for a windfall profit but zero added value.0 -
That has been the case in Australia ISTR. Down by 90% apparently.ladupnorth said:
Flu season may not be as bad as normal, what with all that hand washing, sanitiser and social distancing.noneoftheabove said:
When the cold and flu season hits I think we will need closer to a million a day.NerysHughes said:
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.0 -
I wonder if "ministers" is Gove, known to be the most anxious about no-deal, as against Cummings and no.10.Scott_xP said:
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Not obvious that tweets like that add much value. Unpleasant and not funny.Scott_xP said:3 -
So why did he sign it, win a GE on the back of it and push it through Parliament in record time?Scott_xP said:
Maybe he’s only just read it? Or understood it?2 -
As we have a very low pick up rate, it is more likely that we are simply not testing the right people.NerysHughes said:
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.2 -
So, little Johnny comes home from school and says he feels hot. Panic. Book a test?Stuartinromford said:
More likely, the return to school/work/whatever has massively increased the demand on the system (didn't that happen in Scotland, where schools went back a couple of weeks ago?)rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.1 -
Testing numbers have not increased though, in fact they are down slightly.0
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Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.Philip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.0 -
Why?Alistair said:
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in ScotlandPhilip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?0 -
And everyone else who lives in a university town.FrancisUrquhart said:
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.Philip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
But these cases may well not be corona of course. Most of them wont be.0 -
So we can discount the old second wave is linked to cold weather stuff to be the absolute bollocks it always was now then?0
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LOL jynx!FrancisUrquhart said:
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.Philip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
The difference is that Freshers Flu is part caused by people coming from across the entire country into the same area (whereas schoolkids presumably pretty much all live in the same town) - and the copious amount of associated Freshers alcohol consumption and late night partying and poor diet away from the family all combining to impair immune systems.
Hopefully 5-11 year olds don't have the latter half!0 -
@IanB2 who is on the Isle of Wight and a lapsing LD.ladupnorth said:
Something odd is going on. IIRC a poster on here earlier today was saying how efficiently their test had been dealt with in the last few days, and from what I've gleaned that poster is no great admirer of the government. Can't remember the poster's name though.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
The Isle of Wight has has special focus due to testing the Trace app, and for obvious reasons not easy for mainlanders to get tested there.0 -
The case at my son's school that has resulted in all of the Year 7s being sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks also resulted in a letter saying that PHE recommendations were that all those kids should get a test as soon as possible.Philip_Thompson said:
Why?Alistair said:
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in ScotlandPhilip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?
If that is repeated across, for example, Scotland with 1 case resulting in 200 tests then it doesn't take long to see the ramp up Alistair is suggesting.0 -
And that kind of language adds nothing to the debateScott_xP said:0 -
Interesting, Sean Trende is not a Dem ramper by any stretch.rottenborough said:
Hopefully defrauders of the scheme are caught.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
I would guess in the case of schools kids it is more likely nervy parents rather than little johnny telling mum and dad he feels a bit unwell (normally because all of a sudden has to be up at 7am again) and the parents saying shut up and get to school, now it will be arrrhhhhhjjj corona.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL jynx!FrancisUrquhart said:
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.Philip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
The difference is that Freshers Flu is part caused by people coming from across the entire country into the same area (whereas schoolkids presumably pretty much all live in the same town) - and the copious amount of associated Freshers alcohol consumption and late night partying and poor diet away from the family all combining to impair immune systems.
Hopefully 5-11 year olds don't have the latter half!1 -
I don't think there has ever been evidence of climate affecting the Covid-19 pandemic.Casino_Royale said:So we can discount the old second wave is linked to cold weather stuff to be the absolute bollocks it always was now then?
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His new book is out. This Land - The Story of a Movement. I'm getting it.FrancisUrquhart said:I see Owen Jones is trying to get somebody cancelled from Twitter again.
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I think a lot of those tests are being wasted, in the sense that they’re being spent on people at no particularly elevated risk of being positive but who carry an increased medical or commercial risk. Every maternity ward in-patient for example. Every squad member of every professional sports team. No doubt business execs too. And as has been mentioned, the perennially worried who lie on an online form because they’re taking the kids to see granny next week.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Something pretty wrong that a dr can prescribe Mr Gate a test but not immediately be able to take the swab there and then. Meanwhile proper Charlies in the premier league get weekly tests so they can keep their extra curricular activities going unimpeded.0 -
Nice to see IDS has identified a new group of fraudsters and skivers preventing this great nation from unleashing its undoubted righteous potential.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Benefit claimants, the EU, now...er, business owners.
Sanction them quick.2 -
We had the story today of a school Boris visited having a member of staff test positive & as per protocol a number of classes asked to stay at home. I imagine many parents might book tests just to be safe, even though no evidence member of staff has infected anybody.Richard_Tyndall said:
The case at my son's school that has resulted in all of the Year 7s being sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks also resulted in a letter saying that PHE recommendations were that all those kids should get a test as soon as possible.Philip_Thompson said:
Why?Alistair said:
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in ScotlandPhilip_Thompson said:
Very odd.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?
If that is repeated across, for example, Scotland with 1 case resulting in 200 tests then it doesn't take long to see the ramp up Alistair is suggesting.0 -
Tests per day is dropping, suggesting increase detection is not down to more tests...
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
02-09-2020 175,687
01-09-2020 181,934
31-08-2020 182,065
30-08-2020 183,510
29-08-2020 197,211
28-08-2020 203,416
27-08-2020 208,8350 -
That's market forces for you.moonshine said:
I think a lot of those tests are being wasted, in the sense that they’re being spent on people at no particularly elevated risk of being positive but who carry an increased medical or commercial risk. Every maternity ward in-patient for example. Every squad member of every professional sports team. No doubt business execs too. And as has been mentioned, the perennially worried who lie on an online form because they’re taking the kids to see granny next week.FrancisUrquhart said:Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Something pretty wrong that a dr can prescribe Mr Gate a test but not immediately be able to take the swab there and then. Meanwhile proper Charlies in the premier league get weekly tests so they can keep their extra curricular activities going unimpeded.0 -
Simply stunning admission of Johnson’s incompetence on that Telegraph front page - he really hadn’t read the WA or he had not understood it. None of them had. It’s no surprise, but extraordinary they admit it.1
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Pretty much. And if T'n'T is going to do it's job (after all, the hard part is pinching out asymptomatic carriers), testing those who probably don't need it ought to be legit.rottenborough said:
So, little Johnny comes home from school and says he feels hot. Panic. Book a test?Stuartinromford said:
More likely, the return to school/work/whatever has massively increased the demand on the system (didn't that happen in Scotland, where schools went back a couple of weeks ago?)rottenborough said:
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.eek said:
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?Philip_Thompson said:
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.WhisperingOracle said:
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1303063043396558853moonshine said:Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
What I don't know is what the rules are about testing other bubble members in the case of an outbreak. In some secondary schools, the bubbles are about 300 kids (an entire year group) and all the teachers who teach them. That could soak up a lot of testing capacity very quickly...0
