Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
OK so. I selected “high temperature” and got through to the booking screen.
There’s no home test kits available, and no drive-through or walk-through appointments available in the next 2 weeks within 100 miles.
I bet @Philip_Thompson still would describe this as “fantastic” or “world-beating” or something.
I don’t know what to do.
Dreadful. Hope you find some solution. Without wishing to make it about me...I live close to you. Have a 16 year old at school and no one in our household drives. What do we do if we show symptoms? I'll be getting on a train for 100 miles with a possible case? World beating. Other nations must be green with envy.
All in all that article is about 700 times less definitive than the pull quote.
The summary is "even though there is zero polling shift and in fact Biden is leading on law and Order in the polling we pundits put so much ink into saying that law and Order would win it for Trump we are now searching for any scrap of something to show we are not idiots"
The deal must be rewritten, then it's No Deal this week surely
I'm genuinely beginning to think the best thing to do is to just call off the talks and say we'll pick them back up in a year's time and go to WTO. Enough of this nonsense already.
Right so they've voted against a Labour amendment, not Grenfell, makes sense. I wonder what the details of the amendment and the bill were? There's nothing at all I can see about it even on the BBC's Politics webpage.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
“Duties of owner or manager The relevant authority must by regulations amend the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 (SI 2005/1541) to require an owner or a manager of any building which contains two or more sets of domestic premises to— (a) share information with their local Fire and Rescue Service in respect of each building for which an owner or manager is responsible about the design of its external walls and details of the materials of which those external walls are constructed; (b) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of individual flat entrance doors; (c) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of lifts and report the results to their local Fire and Rescue Service; and 2 Consideration of Bill (Report Stage): 7 September 2020 Fire Safety Bill, continued (d) share evacuation and fire safety instructions with residents of the building.” Member’s explanatory statement This new clause would place various requirements on building owners or managers, and would implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One Report.
“Duties of owner or manager The relevant authority must by regulations amend the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 (SI 2005/1541) to require an owner or a manager of any building which contains two or more sets of domestic premises to— (a) share information with their local Fire and Rescue Service in respect of each building for which an owner or manager is responsible about the design of its external walls and details of the materials of which those external walls are constructed; (b) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of individual flat entrance doors; (c) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of lifts and report the results to their local Fire and Rescue Service; and 2 Consideration of Bill (Report Stage): 7 September 2020 Fire Safety Bill, continued (d) share evacuation and fire safety instructions with residents of the building.” Member’s explanatory statement This new clause would place various requirements on building owners or managers, and would implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One Report.
Sounds relatively non controversial apart from the limit of two domestic premises - I'd have thought something like 5 or more would be suitable.
All in all that article is about 700 times less definitive than the pull quote.
The summary is "even though there is zero polling shift and in fact Biden is leading on law and Order in the polling we pundits put so much ink into saying that law and Order would win it for Trump we are now searching for any scrap of something to show we are not idiots"
One of the strategists described a focus group in which white, college-educated women reacted to the protests by discussing their own property values and, in one woman’s case, her family’s mortgage.
Sounds like the Bree Van de Kamp pearls and NRA card vote. Always solid GOP.
Right so they've voted against a Labour amendment, not Grenfell, makes sense. I wonder what the details of the amendment and the bill were?
implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One Report
Just once, maybe, read before posting...
I did read. "implement the recommendations" is spin, not the wording of the amendment that would be made law.
I see from the voting the SNP abstained despite Plaid Cymru voting. Not sure if its because they're viewing it as an English and Welsh matter, or because they didn't agree with it either?
Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
You really haven't seen bad temper on here... And yes it is great fun. Sometimes when it is bad tempered too. And it is often genuinely educational. Just don't bother trying to change anyone's mind. Welcome and stick around.
Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
You're very welcome, always nice to see a new member
Thank you. I've got a day job so can't be on here as much as I'd like. After skimming a few threads in the last week or so some posters appear to spend every waking hour here, and then some.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
If at or after 9am tomorrow you can get a same day or next day appointment then that's one thing.
If at or after 9am tomorrow you can get an appointment only for the 22nd that's something else.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
If you dont get a test result back with a couple of days of first symptoms its pretty pointless, we should be aiming to get all test results back within 24 hours or less.
The only tests that should be able to be booked 2 weeks in advance are regular testing in care homes or key workers - if you have symptoms now you should not be able to book that far in advance as you would be blocking capacity for no gain.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Wish I'd known about this site before. It's great fun, notwithstanding the bad temper.
You're very welcome, always nice to see a new member
Thank you. I've got a day job so can't be on here as much as I'd like. After skimming a few threads in the last week or so some posters appear to spend every waking hour here, and then some.
That will be the pre-schoolers and the pensioners ...
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Maybe its Russian bots booking and not turning up! Its not a pleasant experience (not painful but not pleasant) so dont know why people would just book for a giggle?
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
More likely, the return to school/work/whatever has massively increased the demand on the system (didn't that happen in Scotland, where schools went back a couple of weeks ago?)
The usual suspects will be on here telling us this is all false and it is really because of planning laws and the lack of available land so we should just let the builders do what they want. It's bloody infuriating.
Of course, this is a symptom of a flawed planning system.
The problem is that because of how insane our planning system is that having a plot of land with consent is worth a lot more than a plot of land. Actually then building the property adds value too, but the "value" of simply achieving consent is ridiculously overvalued.
Which means that there exist too many companies who make profit simply from getting land, getting consent then looking to flip it on with consent. No need to actually do any hard work like actually building a building on the site.
In a functional property market these companies would be considered parasites and not valuable. Because of our screwed up planning system, these companies serve a purpose, which is inane they really ought not to exist at all.
If planning were quick, simple and easy to get then land with consent would not be worth much if any more than land on it own which means that sitting on banks of land with consent would be totally pointless.
Quick and easy means removing the last vestiges of protection for both heritage and environment. We already have catastrophic habitat loss and the new planning regime will just make that all the worse.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
The capacity is not mobile enough, it can't be rapidly expanded in problem areas.
The fairly transparent attempt to shift the blame for Brexit to Labour MP's is one of PB's eccentricities - just an inevitable quirk of the preponderance of right-leaning views on here, really.
The interesting giveaway is that the PB Brexiteers are seeking who to blame for Brexit.
You don't search for blame when heading for sunlight uplands, just when going down the pan.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?
When the cold and flu season hits I think we will need closer to a million a day.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Something odd is going on. IIRC a poster on here earlier today was saying how efficiently their test had been dealt with in the last few days, and from what I've gleaned that poster is no great admirer of the government. Can't remember the poster's name though.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
We should remember that the uk tests more than any other European country
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in Scotland
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?
When the cold and flu season hits I think we will need closer to a million a day.
Flu season may not be as bad as normal, what with all that hand washing, sanitiser and social distancing.
The usual suspects will be on here telling us this is all false and it is really because of planning laws and the lack of available land so we should just let the builders do what they want. It's bloody infuriating.
Of course, this is a symptom of a flawed planning system.
The problem is that because of how insane our planning system is that having a plot of land with consent is worth a lot more than a plot of land. Actually then building the property adds value too, but the "value" of simply achieving consent is ridiculously overvalued.
Which means that there exist too many companies who make profit simply from getting land, getting consent then looking to flip it on with consent. No need to actually do any hard work like actually building a building on the site.
In a functional property market these companies would be considered parasites and not valuable. Because of our screwed up planning system, these companies serve a purpose, which is inane they really ought not to exist at all.
If planning were quick, simple and easy to get then land with consent would not be worth much if any more than land on it own which means that sitting on banks of land with consent would be totally pointless.
Quick and easy means removing the last vestiges of protection for both heritage and environment. We already have catastrophic habitat loss and the new planning regime will just make that all the worse.
No, not necessarily the case at all - though absolutely I do think that we "protect" too many areas, but that is a separate debate.
Japanese style zonal planning consent is much, much better: essentially local areas give zoning indications of green areas where consent is virtually automatic, amber where its more complicated and red where it is prevented. Then rather than a developer spending years getting planning for an estate . . . or even worse a speculator doing so then looking to flip it on to a developer . . . people can simply get the land they want and build the home they want and that's it.
If consent in a "green zone" is virtually automatic (subject to planning regulations) then owning land with consent becomes worthless. The land already had consent so getting it or sitting on it is achieving nothing so someone who actually intends to build should get the land rather than a speculator hoping to get consent then flip in for a windfall profit but zero added value.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?
When the cold and flu season hits I think we will need closer to a million a day.
Flu season may not be as bad as normal, what with all that hand washing, sanitiser and social distancing.
That has been the case in Australia ISTR. Down by 90% apparently.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
Are we saying that a million plus tests a week which is what is happening now is not enough ?
As we have a very low pick up rate, it is more likely that we are simply not testing the right people.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
More likely, the return to school/work/whatever has massively increased the demand on the system (didn't that happen in Scotland, where schools went back a couple of weeks ago?)
So, little Johnny comes home from school and says he feels hot. Panic. Book a test?
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in Scotland
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Why?
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.
And everyone else who lives in a university town.
But these cases may well not be corona of course. Most of them wont be.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.
LOL jynx!
The difference is that Freshers Flu is part caused by people coming from across the entire country into the same area (whereas schoolkids presumably pretty much all live in the same town) - and the copious amount of associated Freshers alcohol consumption and late night partying and poor diet away from the family all combining to impair immune systems.
Hopefully 5-11 year olds don't have the latter half!
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Something odd is going on. IIRC a poster on here earlier today was saying how efficiently their test had been dealt with in the last few days, and from what I've gleaned that poster is no great admirer of the government. Can't remember the poster's name though.
@IanB2 who is on the Isle of Wight and a lapsing LD.
The Isle of Wight has has special focus due to testing the Trace app, and for obvious reasons not easy for mainlanders to get tested there.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in Scotland
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Why?
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?
The case at my son's school that has resulted in all of the Year 7s being sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks also resulted in a letter saying that PHE recommendations were that all those kids should get a test as soon as possible.
If that is repeated across, for example, Scotland with 1 case resulting in 200 tests then it doesn't take long to see the ramp up Alistair is suggesting.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Perhaps that is it this. When unis go back over the course of this month, going to be some serious strain on the system, as at the best of times "freshers flu" strikes down basically every student.
LOL jynx!
The difference is that Freshers Flu is part caused by people coming from across the entire country into the same area (whereas schoolkids presumably pretty much all live in the same town) - and the copious amount of associated Freshers alcohol consumption and late night partying and poor diet away from the family all combining to impair immune systems.
Hopefully 5-11 year olds don't have the latter half!
I would guess in the case of schools kids it is more likely nervy parents rather than little johnny telling mum and dad he feels a bit unwell (normally because all of a sudden has to be up at 7am again) and the parents saying shut up and get to school, now it will be arrrhhhhhjjj corona.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
I think a lot of those tests are being wasted, in the sense that they’re being spent on people at no particularly elevated risk of being positive but who carry an increased medical or commercial risk. Every maternity ward in-patient for example. Every squad member of every professional sports team. No doubt business execs too. And as has been mentioned, the perennially worried who lie on an online form because they’re taking the kids to see granny next week.
Something pretty wrong that a dr can prescribe Mr Gate a test but not immediately be able to take the swab there and then. Meanwhile proper Charlies in the premier league get weekly tests so they can keep their extra curricular activities going unimpeded.
Nice to see IDS has identified a new group of fraudsters and skivers preventing this great nation from unleashing its undoubted righteous potential. Benefit claimants, the EU, now...er, business owners. Sanction them quick.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
Very odd.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week before Scottish schools went back approx 550 tests of 5-11 year olds in Scotland
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Why?
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?
The case at my son's school that has resulted in all of the Year 7s being sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks also resulted in a letter saying that PHE recommendations were that all those kids should get a test as soon as possible.
If that is repeated across, for example, Scotland with 1 case resulting in 200 tests then it doesn't take long to see the ramp up Alistair is suggesting.
We had the story today of a school Boris visited having a member of staff test positive & as per protocol a number of classes asked to stay at home. I imagine many parents might book tests just to be safe, even though no evidence member of staff has infected anybody.
Something very odd is going on when they are doing upto 350k tests a day of which even with the increase in numbers only 2% are positive, while at the same time it seems there is still loads of people complaining about no capacity.
I think a lot of those tests are being wasted, in the sense that they’re being spent on people at no particularly elevated risk of being positive but who carry an increased medical or commercial risk. Every maternity ward in-patient for example. Every squad member of every professional sports team. No doubt business execs too. And as has been mentioned, the perennially worried who lie on an online form because they’re taking the kids to see granny next week.
Something pretty wrong that a dr can prescribe Mr Gate a test but not immediately be able to take the swab there and then. Meanwhile proper Charlies in the premier league get weekly tests so they can keep their extra curricular activities going unimpeded.
Simply stunning admission of Johnson’s incompetence on that Telegraph front page - he really hadn’t read the WA or he had not understood it. None of them had. It’s no surprise, but extraordinary they admit it.
Is anyone offering odds on whether Boris is going to end up cancelling Christmas this year? As in, no household mixing permitted. Everyone cooking sad little joints of turkey on the crown, pulling a cracker over zoom and all that jazz.
Where are the signs that hospitalisations are increasing exponentially, though ?
I may not be an expert, but I don't see it.
Hopefully its not just lagging two weeks.
Test and Trace is our best weapon in getting as back to normal as possible while still fighting this damned virus.
If its just a case that late at night the slots have been booked and they'll be back 9am tomorrow morning that's fine - if there's a shortage and rationing again though, that is very worrying - and loss of control can't be that far behind.
I hope Hancock is on top of this and we don't hear any more bloody inane talk of getting people who are perfectly happy working from home to be out and about instead. Lets get back to normal with people who WANT to be out and about.
Given that all capacity is booked for the next 2 weeks what does waiting to tomorrow when appointments are available on September 22nd achieve?
Are people booking tests who have no symptoms and not been contacted by Track and Trace? Just a thought.
More likely, the return to school/work/whatever has massively increased the demand on the system (didn't that happen in Scotland, where schools went back a couple of weeks ago?)
So, little Johnny comes home from school and says he feels hot. Panic. Book a test?
Pretty much. And if T'n'T is going to do it's job (after all, the hard part is pinching out asymptomatic carriers), testing those who probably don't need it ought to be legit.
What I don't know is what the rules are about testing other bubble members in the case of an outbreak. In some secondary schools, the bubbles are about 300 kids (an entire year group) and all the teachers who teach them. That could soak up a lot of testing capacity very quickly...
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Most of these "the Tories voted against this" Tweets end up being anti-Ronseal nonsense.
Without wishing to make it about me...I live close to you. Have a 16 year old at school and no one in our household drives.
What do we do if we show symptoms?
I'll be getting on a train for 100 miles with a possible case?
World beating.
Other nations must be green with envy.
The summary is "even though there is zero polling shift and in fact Biden is leading on law and Order in the polling we pundits put so much ink into saying that law and Order would win it for Trump we are now searching for any scrap of something to show we are not idiots"
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0121/amend/fire_daily_rep_0904.pdf
“Duties of owner or manager
The relevant authority must by regulations amend the Regulatory Reform (Fire
Safety) Order 2005 (SI 2005/1541) to require an owner or a manager of any
building which contains two or more sets of domestic premises to—
(a) share information with their local Fire and Rescue Service in respect of
each building for which an owner or manager is responsible about the
design of its external walls and details of the materials of which those
external walls are constructed;
(b) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible
which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of individual
flat entrance doors;
(c) in respect of any building for which an owner or manager is responsible
which contains separate flats, undertake regular inspections of lifts and
report the results to their local Fire and Rescue Service; and
2 Consideration of Bill (Report Stage): 7 September 2020
Fire Safety Bill, continued
(d) share evacuation and fire safety instructions with residents of the
building.”
Member’s explanatory statement
This new clause would place various requirements on building owners or managers, and would
implement the recommendations made in the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Phase One Report.
Just once, maybe, read before posting...
Sounds like the Bree Van de Kamp pearls and NRA card vote. Always solid GOP.
I see from the voting the SNP abstained despite Plaid Cymru voting. Not sure if its because they're viewing it as an English and Welsh matter, or because they didn't agree with it either?
And yes it is great fun. Sometimes when it is bad tempered too.
And it is often genuinely educational.
Just don't bother trying to change anyone's mind.
Welcome and stick around.
We're doomed
If at or after 9am tomorrow you can get an appointment only for the 22nd that's something else.
The only tests that should be able to be booked 2 weeks in advance are regular testing in care homes or key workers - if you have symptoms now you should not be able to book that far in advance as you would be blocking capacity for no gain.
Yes. People take a while to die.
This is just setting the stage for a No Deal announcement
We won't know for another six weeks.
Now he says it's shit.
And still the fanbois cheer...
Situation normal........
That one?
You don't search for blame when heading for sunlight uplands, just when going down the pan.
Only thing I can think of that makes sense is a surge of paranoid people getting an unnecessary test simultaneously because of back to school playing on their minds.
Week ending 30th August, 17,000 tests of 5-11 year olds.
Japanese style zonal planning consent is much, much better: essentially local areas give zoning indications of green areas where consent is virtually automatic, amber where its more complicated and red where it is prevented. Then rather than a developer spending years getting planning for an estate . . . or even worse a speculator doing so then looking to flip it on to a developer . . . people can simply get the land they want and build the home they want and that's it.
If consent in a "green zone" is virtually automatic (subject to planning regulations) then owning land with consent becomes worthless. The land already had consent so getting it or sitting on it is achieving nothing so someone who actually intends to build should get the land rather than a speculator hoping to get consent then flip in for a windfall profit but zero added value.
Maybe he’s only just read it? Or understood it?
Is that parents or teachers ordering those tests?
They can't all have been reporting symptoms can they? Or is this like a back to school version of "Freshers Flu"?
But these cases may well not be corona of course. Most of them wont be.
The difference is that Freshers Flu is part caused by people coming from across the entire country into the same area (whereas schoolkids presumably pretty much all live in the same town) - and the copious amount of associated Freshers alcohol consumption and late night partying and poor diet away from the family all combining to impair immune systems.
Hopefully 5-11 year olds don't have the latter half!
The Isle of Wight has has special focus due to testing the Trace app, and for obvious reasons not easy for mainlanders to get tested there.
If that is repeated across, for example, Scotland with 1 case resulting in 200 tests then it doesn't take long to see the ramp up Alistair is suggesting.
Something pretty wrong that a dr can prescribe Mr Gate a test but not immediately be able to take the swab there and then. Meanwhile proper Charlies in the premier league get weekly tests so they can keep their extra curricular activities going unimpeded.
Benefit claimants, the EU, now...er, business owners.
Sanction them quick.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
02-09-2020 175,687
01-09-2020 181,934
31-08-2020 182,065
30-08-2020 183,510
29-08-2020 197,211
28-08-2020 203,416
27-08-2020 208,835
What I don't know is what the rules are about testing other bubble members in the case of an outbreak. In some secondary schools, the bubbles are about 300 kids (an entire year group) and all the teachers who teach them. That could soak up a lot of testing capacity very quickly...