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3 deaths today in the UK compared to 12 in Italy. The figures for France and Spain haven't been released yet.
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We’re talking about a period measured in months, for feck’s sake. Not years, or decades, with all possibilities taken away and never returning.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
The latter, incidentally, is literally what those killed have lost, instead.2 -
If I was going to work for the government it would be for the treasury. I wouldn't want to be in any other department.Casino_Royale said:
The quality of officials in the Treasury is particularly good. A lot of talent ends up there.Cyclefree said:
Possibly that is because the Treasury has a lot of senior civil servants who lived through and learnt from the 2008/9 financial crisis. So that experience of how to manage in a crisis seems to have stood them in good stead.NerysHughes said:
The Apprenticeship grant is excellent, its very easy to get and encourages employers to employ young people and get them in training.FF43 said:
I was trying to think of anything competent that this government has done. Where it has had a clear objective and has executed calmly and efficiently on that objective. I can only think of three things: Nightingale hospitals; furlough; Eat Out to Help Out. The last is a brilliant bit of marketing and not something you would expect governments to get involved in.WhisperingOracle said:It seems unclear to many people whether today's posture is a last throw of the ultra-populist dice, also at a dicey time for the PM and seeking to reverse Labour's momentum in the polls, and with serious negotiation to come later in the year, or whether this really does portend a new approach, inevitably culminating in no-deal.
Either way, as Cyclefree alludes to in the header, the government seems either unaware or cheerfully oblivious to the reputational damage it's strewing along the path to this conclusion.
Meanwhile the list of projects that never had proper objectives and were mucked in some way is long and lengthening.
I have been very surprised at the excellence of the Treasuries I.T. abilities during Covid
Very little ends up in Transport and the Home Office. The dire salaries and chopping leadership in both departments plays a part but about one thing I can be sure: calling them useless lazy so-and-sos and beating them over the head with a stick isn't going to drive better performance.1 -
Second both emotions. Terrific post from @northern_monkey. But thankfully (for me) although it pushes my buttons I do not expect or predict the same future. I see soft Brexit and starting 3/11 a successful fightback and backlash against all this reactionary nativist populism.Stocky said:
That`s a very colourful and entertaining post even though I don`t agree with all of it. Nice one.northern_monkey said:
This is true. Johnson and his government are going to fuck this country. They’re going to fuck Remainers. They’re going to fuck all the red wallers whose xenophobia the two Leave campaigns so successfully played on.FF43 said:
I am less sure of that. As long as he can keep his Brexiteer minority together Johnson can safely ignore the majority. At the very least he and advisers believe this to be case.CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I said above, I believe that splits as soon as Brexit becomes defined.FF43 said:
Johnson got the plurality of the votes (ie more than anyone else), but only a minority of the total. Essentially Johnson engineered a takeover of the Conservative Party by UKIP/Brexit Party thus consolidating the Leave minority. While the neo-Remain majority is split across several parties. As long as that split stays, Johnson sits pretty.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Then why does YG poll say the majority don't support this proposal?Philip_Thompson said:
Majority of the vote doesn't matter.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Did he get a majority of the vote in 2019? No.Philip_Thompson said:
They are. "There is only one poll that matters".CorrectHorseBattery said:
You were acting yesterday like Brits were behind Johnson and his Brexit planPhilip_Thompson said:
So only two to one?Scott_xP said:
Given the way people act with such hysteria over No Deal you'd think it'd be a landslide the other way not just two to one.
Johnson won the polls that mattered (the referendum and the election), now he needs to do whatever he thinks is best, subject to Parliamentary approval where appropriate - then be judged or damned in four years time on the results of that.
Therefore you have no ability to say he has majority support for his Brexit plan
He got million more votes than any alternative. Therefore Britain has backed him.
They’re going to fuck everyone because they think that out of the ashes they can build the kind of society that gets the right wing tumescent. With the kind of policies that would never win an election.
They’re going to sorrowfully point at the remains of what was the economy, wiping away their crocodile tears, and cut, cut, cut. Cut taxes, cut the NHS, cut workers’ rights. All the things that these red wallers really, when it comes down to it, care more about then a bit of fucking sovereignty.
And they’ll be able to say ‘well, this is Brexit, this is what people voted for.’
People didn’t vote for No Deal, indeed we were told it would be the easiest deal in history, but we know Johnson, Cummings; Farage, etc, etc, don’t give a fuck about normal people. They convinced just enough low information voters that they care, but they don’t really. They know Brexit won’t answer the grievances of the red wallers, of working class people across the country, who lent this government their votes. But it will be too late. It will, at least, please the Tory shires and it will please the government’s hedge fund backers.
They’ll be happy to wreak havoc now, lose the next election and saddle Labour with the task of dealing with Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Then blame Labour for that collective shit show and eventually regain power and finally get what they’ve always wanted, a spiteful, jingoistic, xenophobic right-wing hell-hole. Small government, low taxes, laissez-faire, fuck anyone who needs income support, who needs the NHS, fuck them all. They don’t deserve it, they’re little people, losers, not like us.
Little England here we come.0 -
1963? My Dad born 1940 never did it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
Otherwise point taken.
As the father of a 16 and 20 year old I haven't heard them or their friends moaning about any of the restrictions.
I've heard plenty from my generation and above.
And plenty using young people as a justification for their own objections.2 -
Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=201 -
Many of the young people today are out working, or they can't get a job. I can't see how you blame them for that0
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Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there1 -
Let's be clear, Hammond is scum and taking Saudi money. His opinion in everything is invalidated by that.HYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
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Yes, I think it was for men born between 1927 and 1939.dixiedean said:
1963? My Dad born 1940 never did it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
Otherwise point taken.
As the father of a 16 and 20 year old I haven't heard them or their friends moaning about any of the restrictions.
I've heard plenty from my generation and above.
And plenty using young people as a justification for their own objections.0 -
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Interesting the COVID test website gives no option for “test advised by doctor” and when I say “no” to all the specific symptoms after saying I have symptoms, it just hangs. My friend is also having the same problem. What a load of sh*t.0
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National Service or Netflix . . . Not exactly the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.0 -
The health secretary was saying he thought it a vaccine might be available next summer, implying it might be longer, do you know better? Even if you somehow do, its the govt and consensus opinion that matters to determine the countries behaviour, not yours. Until the vaccine is out its pretty clear social distancing and restrictions will continue. Its perfectly reasonable for people to assume this might last years, not just months.Andy_Cooke said:
We’re talking about a period measured in months, for feck’s sake. Not years, or decades, with all possibilities taken away and never returning.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
The latter, incidentally, is literally what those killed have lost, instead.0 -
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:0 -
As many of us pointed out at the time:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1303032062874705920?s=20
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Thank you. I hope you’re right.kinabalu said:
Second both emotions. Terrific post from @northern_monkey. But thankfully (for me) although it pushes my buttons I do not expect or predict the same future. I see soft Brexit and starting 3/11 a successful fightback and backlash against all this reactionary nativist populism.Stocky said:
That`s a very colourful and entertaining post even though I don`t agree with all of it. Nice one.northern_monkey said:
This is true. Johnson and his government are going to fuck this country. They’re going to fuck Remainers. They’re going to fuck all the red wallers whose xenophobia the two Leave campaigns so successfully played on.FF43 said:
I am less sure of that. As long as he can keep his Brexiteer minority together Johnson can safely ignore the majority. At the very least he and advisers believe this to be case.CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I said above, I believe that splits as soon as Brexit becomes defined.FF43 said:
Johnson got the plurality of the votes (ie more than anyone else), but only a minority of the total. Essentially Johnson engineered a takeover of the Conservative Party by UKIP/Brexit Party thus consolidating the Leave minority. While the neo-Remain majority is split across several parties. As long as that split stays, Johnson sits pretty.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Then why does YG poll say the majority don't support this proposal?Philip_Thompson said:
Majority of the vote doesn't matter.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Did he get a majority of the vote in 2019? No.Philip_Thompson said:
They are. "There is only one poll that matters".CorrectHorseBattery said:
You were acting yesterday like Brits were behind Johnson and his Brexit planPhilip_Thompson said:
So only two to one?Scott_xP said:
Given the way people act with such hysteria over No Deal you'd think it'd be a landslide the other way not just two to one.
Johnson won the polls that mattered (the referendum and the election), now he needs to do whatever he thinks is best, subject to Parliamentary approval where appropriate - then be judged or damned in four years time on the results of that.
Therefore you have no ability to say he has majority support for his Brexit plan
He got million more votes than any alternative. Therefore Britain has backed him.
They’re going to fuck everyone because they think that out of the ashes they can build the kind of society that gets the right wing tumescent. With the kind of policies that would never win an election.
They’re going to sorrowfully point at the remains of what was the economy, wiping away their crocodile tears, and cut, cut, cut. Cut taxes, cut the NHS, cut workers’ rights. All the things that these red wallers really, when it comes down to it, care more about then a bit of fucking sovereignty.
And they’ll be able to say ‘well, this is Brexit, this is what people voted for.’
People didn’t vote for No Deal, indeed we were told it would be the easiest deal in history, but we know Johnson, Cummings; Farage, etc, etc, don’t give a fuck about normal people. They convinced just enough low information voters that they care, but they don’t really. They know Brexit won’t answer the grievances of the red wallers, of working class people across the country, who lent this government their votes. But it will be too late. It will, at least, please the Tory shires and it will please the government’s hedge fund backers.
They’ll be happy to wreak havoc now, lose the next election and saddle Labour with the task of dealing with Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Then blame Labour for that collective shit show and eventually regain power and finally get what they’ve always wanted, a spiteful, jingoistic, xenophobic right-wing hell-hole. Small government, low taxes, laissez-faire, fuck anyone who needs income support, who needs the NHS, fuck them all. They don’t deserve it, they’re little people, losers, not like us.
Little England here we come.1 -
On topic, Boris Johnson believes in the divine right of Prime Ministers doesn't he?1
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That’s the sign of a proper pizza!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:0 -
Oh. Fingers crossed that it is nothing serious and you get OK very soon.Gallowgate said:In addition to my infected wound, my GP thinks its best I have another COVID test as I have a mild fever and a sore throat and generally feel sh*t. Fingers crossed its just “some other” virus.
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Nah, a proper pizza is one with a decent base.Gallowgate said:
That’s the sign of a proper pizza!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:
Having a really thin base is nearly as much of a heresy as putting pineapple on pizza.0 -
Ditto.Cyclefree said:
Oh. Fingers crossed that it is nothing serious and you get OK very soon.Gallowgate said:In addition to my infected wound, my GP thinks its best I have another COVID test as I have a mild fever and a sore throat and generally feel sh*t. Fingers crossed its just “some other” virus.
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It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.0 -
Grapes on pizza0
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I suspect that Boris Johnson believes that he deserves money, power and prestige.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, Boris Johnson believes in the divine right of Prime Ministers doesn't he?
Is that the same thing?
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May's deal was not soft Brexit. The primary responsibility for not getting soft Brexit also lies with the ERG, as they precluded it because of FOM.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.0 -
I see Biden's approach on Law'n'Order is really costing him in the key states.
https://twitter.com/OpinionToday/status/13030350250430177280 -
Sorry to hear you need a test. Best of luck with Dido's mess.Gallowgate said:Interesting the COVID test website gives no option for “test advised by doctor” and when I say “no” to all the specific symptoms after saying I have symptoms, it just hangs. My friend is also having the same problem. What a load of sh*t.
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There are 138 separate vaccines in various stages, the furthest along are already in Stage III, and we were told today that production of the first 30 million doses had already begun and there was still a possibility of getting it before Christmas, although more likely in the opening months of the New Year.noneoftheabove said:
The health secretary was saying he thought it a vaccine might be available next summer, implying it might be longer, do you know better? Even if you somehow do, its the govt and consensus opinion that matters to determine the countries behaviour, not yours. Until the vaccine is out its pretty clear social distancing and restrictions will continue. Its perfectly reasonable for people to assume this might last years, not just months.Andy_Cooke said:
We’re talking about a period measured in months, for feck’s sake. Not years, or decades, with all possibilities taken away and never returning.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
The latter, incidentally, is literally what those killed have lost, instead.
If this doesn't come off, then we can revisit it, but the Health Secretary actually said he thought it likely it would be here at the start of the New Year, and possibly sooner.
And seriously - these restrictions aren't exactly devastating. In my early twenties, I spent a third of a year stuck in a tiny complex made from ISO containers on West Falkland. My great-uncle spent years in the jungles somewhere near Burma when he was in his early twenties. Oh no, we have to stay a couple of metres away from people and wear masks inside for several months - it's not so intolerable we have to kill off the crinklies, is it?0 -
Standard Trump. Attack your opponent with your own faults and weaknesses as a deflection. He'll be saying Biden has tax issues next.williamglenn said:0 -
I agree on the pineapple but I like a thin base.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, a proper pizza is one with a decent base.Gallowgate said:
That’s the sign of a proper pizza!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:
Having a really thin base is nearly as much of a heresy as putting pineapple on pizza.0 -
But the backstop steered to close alignment no?WhisperingOracle said:
May's deal was not soft Brexit. The primary responsibility for not getting soft Brexit also lies with the ERG, as they precluded it because of FOM.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.0 -
Not to mention a big, smelly fart pants.williamglenn said:
Trump's invective has gone off a bit lately.0 -
It’s his birthrightBeibheirli_C said:
I suspect that Boris Johnson believes that he deserves money, power and prestige.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, Boris Johnson believes in the divine right of Prime Ministers doesn't he?
Is that the same thing?2 -
More pizza controversy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:
The thinner the better in my book. That way I can manage more slices.
Deep pan is the pizza of Satan.3 -
My dad got a coal mining exemption from NS. And HIS dad avoided WW1 with flat feet. Couldn't march. Would have gone to the Somme. All his mates died there.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I think it was for men born between 1927 and 1939.dixiedean said:
1963? My Dad born 1940 never did it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
Otherwise point taken.
As the father of a 16 and 20 year old I haven't heard them or their friends moaning about any of the restrictions.
I've heard plenty from my generation and above.
And plenty using young people as a justification for their own objections.0 -
“In fact they are starting to manufacture those doses already ... ahead of approval so that should approval come through and it’s still not certain but it’s looking up ... then we are ready to roll out.Andy_Cooke said:
There are 138 separate vaccines in various stages, the furthest along are already in Stage III, and we were told today that production of the first 30 million doses had already begun and there was still a possibility of getting it before Christmas, although more likely in the opening months of the New Year.noneoftheabove said:
The health secretary was saying he thought it a vaccine might be available next summer, implying it might be longer, do you know better? Even if you somehow do, its the govt and consensus opinion that matters to determine the countries behaviour, not yours. Until the vaccine is out its pretty clear social distancing and restrictions will continue. Its perfectly reasonable for people to assume this might last years, not just months.Andy_Cooke said:
We’re talking about a period measured in months, for feck’s sake. Not years, or decades, with all possibilities taken away and never returning.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
The latter, incidentally, is literally what those killed have lost, instead.
If this doesn't come off, then we can revisit it, but the Health Secretary actually said he thought it likely it would be here at the start of the New Year, and possibly sooner.
And seriously - these restrictions aren't exactly devastating. In my early twenties, I spent a third of a year stuck in a tiny complex made from ISO containers on West Falkland. My great-uncle spent years in the jungles somewhere near Burma when he was in his early twenties. Oh no, we have to stay a couple of metres away from people and wear masks inside for several months - it's not so intolerable we have to kill off the crinklies, is it?
“The best case scenario is that that happens this year ... more likely is the early part of next year ... in the first few months of next year is the most likely.
So ready to roll out is (according to Hancock) first few months of next year (Jan-Apr).
3-4 months to get people enough people vaccinated to stop social distancing (Apr-Aug).
Thats if that particular one is approved. Otherwise most likely slips further back, especially on procurement where the UK wont be front of the queue. And its not as if the government ever actually deliver what they say they hope for on time.
It remains perfectly reasonable for people to plan that social distancing will last in years not months.0 -
LOL.northern_monkey said:
This is true. Johnson and his government are going to fuck this country. They’re going to fuck Remainers. They’re going to fuck all the red wallers whose xenophobia the two Leave campaigns so successfully played on.FF43 said:
I am less sure of that. As long as he can keep his Brexiteer minority together Johnson can safely ignore the majority. At the very least he and advisers believe this to be case.CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I said above, I believe that splits as soon as Brexit becomes defined.FF43 said:
Johnson got the plurality of the votes (ie more than anyone else), but only a minority of the total. Essentially Johnson engineered a takeover of the Conservative Party by UKIP/Brexit Party thus consolidating the Leave minority. While the neo-Remain majority is split across several parties. As long as that split stays, Johnson sits pretty.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Then why does YG poll say the majority don't support this proposal?Philip_Thompson said:
Majority of the vote doesn't matter.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Did he get a majority of the vote in 2019? No.Philip_Thompson said:
They are. "There is only one poll that matters".CorrectHorseBattery said:
You were acting yesterday like Brits were behind Johnson and his Brexit planPhilip_Thompson said:
So only two to one?Scott_xP said:
Given the way people act with such hysteria over No Deal you'd think it'd be a landslide the other way not just two to one.
Johnson won the polls that mattered (the referendum and the election), now he needs to do whatever he thinks is best, subject to Parliamentary approval where appropriate - then be judged or damned in four years time on the results of that.
Therefore you have no ability to say he has majority support for his Brexit plan
He got million more votes than any alternative. Therefore Britain has backed him.
They’re going to fuck everyone because they think that out of the ashes they can build the kind of society that gets the right wing tumescent. With the kind of policies that would never win an election.
They’re going to sorrowfully point at the remains of what was the economy, wiping away their crocodile tears, and cut, cut, cut. Cut taxes, cut the NHS, cut workers’ rights. All the things that these red wallers really, when it comes down to it, care more about then a bit of fucking sovereignty.
And they’ll be able to say ‘well, this is Brexit, this is what people voted for.’
People didn’t vote for No Deal, indeed we were told it would be the easiest deal in history, but we know Johnson, Cummings; Farage, etc, etc, don’t give a fuck about normal people. They convinced just enough low information voters that they care, but they don’t really. They know Brexit won’t answer the grievances of the red wallers, of working class people across the country, who lent this government their votes. But it will be too late. It will, at least, please the Tory shires and it will please the government’s hedge fund backers.
They’ll be happy to wreak havoc now, lose the next election and saddle Labour with the task of dealing with Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Then blame Labour for that collective shit show and eventually regain power and finally get what they’ve always wanted, a spiteful, jingoistic, xenophobic right-wing hell-hole. Small government, low taxes, laissez-faire, fuck anyone who needs income support, who needs the NHS, fuck them all. They don’t deserve it, they’re little people, losers, not like us.
Little England here we come.
I'm not normally one for the whole "making them cry" kind of politics but then I read something so over the top, so silly, so overly faux upset and it makes me smile.
Reading something as dramatically OTT as this I must confess brings me a little schadenfreude.5 -
Grapes go with cheese. I don't see a problem.CorrectHorseBattery said:Grapes on pizza
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Chicago Deep Dish style is another level of disgusting.SandyRentool said:
More pizza controversy.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:
The thinner the better in my book. That way I can manage more slices.
Deep pan is the pizza of Satan.1 -
Have you seen Jon Stewart on the difference between New York and Chicago...SandyRentool said:Deep pan is the pizza of Satan.
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Disappointing put down from the school bully, he needs to come up with a catchy insult for Biden.rottenborough said:
Standard Trump. Attack your opponent with your own faults and weaknesses as a deflection. He'll be saying Biden has tax issues next.williamglenn said:0 -
Not quite, but given the trouble he gaily caused his predecessor Prime Ministers, I don't think Boris can be said to believe in the Divine Right of Prime Ministers.Beibheirli_C said:
I suspect that Boris Johnson believes that he deserves money, power and prestige.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, Boris Johnson believes in the divine right of Prime Ministers doesn't he?
Is that the same thing?
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Indeed it did. Hence why so many Leavers opposed it ... because it was too soft.kinabalu said:
But the backstop steered to close alignment no?WhisperingOracle said:
May's deal was not soft Brexit. The primary responsibility for not getting soft Brexit also lies with the ERG, as they precluded it because of FOM.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.0 -
But both are inferior to the BBC.Philip_Thompson said:
National Service or Netflix . . . Not exactly the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.0 -
That's strong Max.MaxPB said:
Let's be clear, Hammond is scum and taking Saudi money. His opinion in everything is invalidated by that.HYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
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May's deal was far too soft for the Brexiteers who opposed it.WhisperingOracle said:
May's deal was not soft Brexit. The primary responsibility for not getting soft Brexit also lies with the ERG, as they precluded it because of FOM.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.
The ERG absolutely deserve credit for us not being lumped with a soft Brexit, but the ERG didn't want a soft Brexit.
The Remainers played into the ERGs hands. They walked into the lobbies with the ERG and thanks to them the ERG got what they wanted. Well done 👍0 -
You'll have to enlighten me...Scott_xP said:
Have you seen Jon Stewart on the difference between New York and Chicago...SandyRentool said:Deep pan is the pizza of Satan.
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That’s fine. They own it completely now, warts and all.Philip_Thompson said:
May's deal was far too soft for the Brexiteers who opposed it.WhisperingOracle said:
May's deal was not soft Brexit. The primary responsibility for not getting soft Brexit also lies with the ERG, as they precluded it because of FOM.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.
The ERG absolutely deserve credit for us not being lumped with a soft Brexit, but the ERG didn't want a soft Brexit.
The Remainers played into the ERGs hands. They walked into the lobbies with the ERG and thanks to them the ERG got what they wanted. Well done 👍3 -
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Good. 👍Gallowgate said:
That’s fine. They own it completely now, warts and all.Philip_Thompson said:
May's deal was far too soft for the Brexiteers who opposed it.WhisperingOracle said:
May's deal was not soft Brexit. The primary responsibility for not getting soft Brexit also lies with the ERG, as they precluded it because of FOM.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends upon what you wanted.WhisperingOracle said:
That's fine, but the primary responsibility is not with them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
But that is not the point.WhisperingOracle said:
The government should have been able to muster enough support for its own deal. The pattern of failure to first agree on and then implement the Tories' own policies on Brexit began in 2016.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There must be many labour mps and former labour mps who really do regret not passing TM's deal and Gloria is obviously one of them, and she knows the red wall seats
For people who wanted a softer Brexit the primary responsibility for failing to get one belongs to the Remainers who rejected May's deal.
For people who wanted a harder Brexit the primary credit for succeeding in getting one belongs to the Leavers who rejected May's deal.
The ERG absolutely deserve credit for us not being lumped with a soft Brexit, but the ERG didn't want a soft Brexit.
The Remainers played into the ERGs hands. They walked into the lobbies with the ERG and thanks to them the ERG got what they wanted. Well done 👍0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUwSandyRentool said:You'll have to enlighten me...
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Yeah the young absolutely love to Beeb and Chill don't they?kinabalu said:
But both are inferior to the BBC.Philip_Thompson said:
National Service or Netflix . . . Not exactly the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
You're jumping the shark now.1 -
There’s a stench of desperation. He knows it's over.Theuniondivvie said:
Not to mention a big, smelly fart pants.williamglenn said:
Trump's invective has gone off a bit lately.0 -
Why this obsession with pizza? It is just Welsh Rarebit for Southern Europeans. They didn't have any apples to hand so thought tomatoes looked like a good idea instead. They didn't even have proper cows for the cheese.
Anything thicker than a slice of toast is even more off beam.
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You need to go to Keste in New York.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, a proper pizza is one with a decent base.Gallowgate said:
That’s the sign of a proper pizza!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:
Having a really thin base is nearly as much of a heresy as putting pineapple on pizza.0 -
Clearly the ERG bear much of the blame (if blame is the right word) for May's deal failing, but Corbyn, and dare I say Starmer, must also take some of the responsibility.
On that subject, when skimming through one of last week's threads I thoroughly enjoyed Southam Observer's magnificent attempt to convince that Starmer had played a blinder over Brexit in restricting the size of the Tory majority.0 -
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On matters European, I came to the conclusion before the 2016 Referendum there were only two credible positions - if we were going to be in the EU, we had to be in it properly - Euro, Schengen and a commitment to deeper Union.
The other position was for us to be completely outside the EU - we could wish it well and enjoy a good relationship with it but we would be apart from it.
The problem was for the bulk of our EU membership we were half-hearted at best. Our commitment was riddled with opt-outs, flounces, obsession about rebates and a sense we only wanted the thing to work on our terms.
Fair enough - we've left. The manner of our departure has revealed more about us than it has the EU and it has laid bare the unresolved question of what Britain's place in the world is or should be (as distinct from what we imagine it to be) as we head toward the second quarter of the 21st Century.
It was the debate we never had after the agony of the Referendum - no one wanted to carry on the argument or tackle the bigger question so it was all abdicated to Theresa May and the Government. We went back to our lives and left it to the politicians to sort out.
Johnson won because he was the only politician who could break the deadlock and end the political paralysis (assuming he won a majority). The problem is winning the election and getting the WA through hasn't answered the fundamental questions or even addressed them. There's some vague notion of "global Britain" which remains far from defined but there has always been a tension on the LEAVE side between those who view things from an insular perspective and those who look at it from a more internationalist viewpoint.8 -
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The penny finally starts to drop.Big_G_NorthWales said:2 -
It’s the same obsession that makes people refight the brexit battle. It’s irrelevant and boring, what’s gone is gone what happens next could be more important, but then it might not. I just wish I didn’t have to watch Johnson waving his arms around talking crap all the time, frequently in a hard hat and high viz jacket.Flatlander said:Why this obsession with pizza? It is just Welsh Rarebit for Southern Europeans. They didn't have any apples to hand so thought tomatoes looked like a good idea instead. They didn't even have proper cows for the cheese.
Anything thicker than a slice of toast is even more off beam.2 -
Belarus
A couple of weeks back I posted that it looked as if the opposition was going to have turn to violence & shed blood and/or have general strike to get rid of President Big Hat.
The current window is now closing:
Russian personnel, incognito, have already joined the Local security forces.
National Guard units of the Russian Interior Ministry are prepping
Belarus has started to mobilise units of the military, properly mobilise, pulling in reservists to up-rate the units into the required operational quotas. Many of those conscripts are not keen, but if the battalion level types keep in with the regime, then its trouble.
The opposition will either have to fight back or they are going to get battered out of it.
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Idiots.Pulpstar said:
The penny finally starts to drop.Big_G_NorthWales said:2 -
Indeed, they gambled on double or quits.CarlottaVance said:
As many of us pointed out at the time:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1303032062874705920?s=20
They got double.1 -
She shouldn't feel too worried ; the primary responsibility is not hers.Pulpstar said:
The penny finally starts to drop.Big_G_NorthWales said:
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Russia infiltrating and pretending they're "locals" again?Yokes said:Belarus
A couple of weeks back I posted that it looked as if the opposition was going to have turn to violence & shed blood and/or have general strike to get rid of President Big Hat.
The current window is now closing:
Russian personnel, incognito, have already joined the Local security forces.
National Guard units of the Russian Interior Ministry are prepping
Belarus has started to mobilise units of the military, properly mobilise, pulling in reservists to up-rate the units into the required operational quotas. Many of those conscripts are not keen, but if the battalion level types keep in with the regime, then its trouble.
The opposition will either have to fight back or they are going to get battered out of it.
Where have I heard that before.1 -
Trump seems to have drifted a fair bit on Betfair today.
Not sure why.0 -
You guys are obsessed. You’re proving @stodge ’s point in his brilliant post. You dont care about the big questions about Brexit, you just want to continue to get one over on the”remoaners”.Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, they gambled on double or quits.CarlottaVance said:
As many of us pointed out at the time:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1303032062874705920?s=20
They got double.1 -
Brexiteers still trying to convince themselves it isn't a giant shitshow, and spread around some of the blame.Gallowgate said:You guys are obsessed. You’re proving @stodge ’s point in his brilliant post. You dont care about the big questions about Brexit, you just want to continue to get one over on the”remoaners”.
The guys that wanted it, advocated it, voted for it. You own it.2 -
I expect backers were looking for a tightening based on his strong law and order stance. Doesn't seem to have happened, even in Wisconsin (Oregon is safe Dem) so they've backed off a bit.Casino_Royale said:Trump seems to have drifted a fair bit on Betfair today.
Not sure why.0 -
Of course the archetype was Pizzeria Colombo on Pudding Chare, now Mario's I believe (after a Google). Not so far from your eponymous street so it's possible we have both been there.Gallowgate said:
That’s the sign of a proper pizza!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not surprising, Pizza Express pizzas are shite, their bases are so thin, it's like eating the toppings on fresh air.HYUFD said:0 -
That has a very definite "old farts" vibe to it, doesn't it?Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah the young absolutely love to Beeb and Chill don't they?kinabalu said:
But both are inferior to the BBC.Philip_Thompson said:
National Service or Netflix . . . Not exactly the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
You're jumping the shark now.
But, the way they were going about that with the previous DG was that they were alienating and infuriating the old farts without winning over *any* of 'da yoof' with their cringeworthy and patronising pandering, and offensive wokeness.
My suggestion: concentrate on a variety of very good programmes no-one else could make, and don't shove politics down people's necks.2 -
I've just been on this link https://www.gov.uk/get-coronavirus-test follow your nose, you just have to click on "a new high temperature" and you're in. I got right up to the point where you book the test.Gallowgate said:Interesting the COVID test website gives no option for “test advised by doctor” and when I say “no” to all the specific symptoms after saying I have symptoms, it just hangs. My friend is also having the same problem. What a load of sh*t.
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The fairly transparent attempt to shift the blame for Brexit to Labour MP's is one of PB's eccentricities - just an inevitable quirk of the preponderance of right-leaning views on here, really.0
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Genuine question: does your idea of “having politics shoved down people’s necks” include having a trans gender character?Casino_Royale said:
That has a very definite "old farts" vibe to it, doesn't it?Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah the young absolutely love to Beeb and Chill don't they?kinabalu said:
But both are inferior to the BBC.Philip_Thompson said:
National Service or Netflix . . . Not exactly the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
You're jumping the shark now.
But, the way they were going about that with the previous DG was that they were alienating and infuriating the old farts without winning over *any* of 'da yoof' with their cringeworthy and patronising pandering, and offensive wokeness.
My suggestion: concentrate on a variety of very good programmes no-one else could make, and don't shove politics down people's necks.0 -
The problem is that I don’t have a high temperature. It’s normal - I just feel shivery. I could lie, but wouldn’t that screw up the data?JohnLilburne said:
I've just been on this link https://www.gov.uk/get-coronavirus-test follow your nose, you just have to click on "a new high temperature" and you're in. I got right up to the point where you book the test.Gallowgate said:Interesting the COVID test website gives no option for “test advised by doctor” and when I say “no” to all the specific symptoms after saying I have symptoms, it just hangs. My friend is also having the same problem. What a load of sh*t.
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Mrs May's deal was a poor deal. Just better than Johnson's,rottenborough said:
Idiots.Pulpstar said:
The penny finally starts to drop.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would have held out too, but then I had no idea Johnson would win a landslide and had some kind of Uber-Brexit death wish.
One lives and learns.0 -
Yes, that's surprising - I don't pretend to understand it.Pulpstar said:
I expect backers were looking for a tightening based on his strong law and order stance. Doesn't seem to have happened, even in Wisconsin (Oregon is safe Dem) so they've backed off a bit.Casino_Royale said:Trump seems to have drifted a fair bit on Betfair today.
Not sure why.
Biden has reassured on it over recent weeks, in comparison to Trump stoking the flames, so perhaps that's helped a bit.0 -
2nd wave probable, I think. Why would there not be one?Scott_xP said:0 -
If you feel shivery, you have a temperature. Alternatively, have one as a key worker. No-one checks (and anyone who goes into the office can). There's enough tests to go around.Gallowgate said:
The problem is that I don’t have a high temperature. It’s normal - I just feel shivery. I could lie, but wouldn’t that screw up the data?JohnLilburne said:
I've just been on this link https://www.gov.uk/get-coronavirus-test follow your nose, you just have to click on "a new high temperature" and you're in. I got right up to the point where you book the test.Gallowgate said:Interesting the COVID test website gives no option for “test advised by doctor” and when I say “no” to all the specific symptoms after saying I have symptoms, it just hangs. My friend is also having the same problem. What a load of sh*t.
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You showed us! Ha!Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, they gambled on double or quits.CarlottaVance said:
As many of us pointed out at the time:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1303032062874705920?s=20
They got double.0 -
You might note that Gloria De Peiro was a red wall labour mp and it is she calling herself an idiot for not passing TM's deal when she and her colleagues had the chanceWhisperingOracle said:The very transparent attempt to shift the blame for Brexit to Labour MP's is one of PB's eccentricities - just an inevitable quirk of the preponderance of right-leaning views on here really.
This is not an eccentricity it is actually a widely recognised opportunity lost to be in a much better Brexit position than now0 -
Don't know about the young but I think the Beeb is one of the few things we have that genuinely IS world beating.Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah the young absolutely love to Beeb and Chill don't they?kinabalu said:
But both are inferior to the BBC.Philip_Thompson said:
National Service or Netflix . . . Not exactly the same thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
Between 1949 and 1963 any man between 18 and 21 had to do 18 months to 2 years National Service. So far the youth of today have been asked to do 6 months of sitting on their backsides.noneoftheabove said:
Sorry but this is completely unaware on a site where youngsters are hardly represented if at all. The generation in charge are handing the youth of today an environmental catastrophe, have failed to provide proper exams, expect students to pay tens of thousands of pounds for courses with limited contact teaching time and social activity, then wont provide enough jobs for those that need them. That's before we get onto housing and the demarcation of politics by age, consistently favouring the elderly and against the young.Andy_Cooke said:
It seems like the lives of others are less important than spending a few months unable to party, for some. Ninety percent of other activities are possible, with a little caution, but a few months not partying makes it a large part of the prime of their lives given up completely, apparently.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you think the right to have a drink and a party with your friends is more important than the safety of your elderly relatives? What a nasty, selfish idea.NerysHughes said:
What we are asking the young to do is give up a large part of the prime of their lives. Imagine being 18 in March 2020. What have you been able to do?Richard_Tyndall said:
Or your own parents and grandparents.ukpaul said:
Building a nation of granny/grandad killers. I think a fair number won't care but surely that realisation is going to stop reckless behaviour in schools, universities, clubs, parties? Would I have cared when I was young? Actually, I'm not sure, especially if peer pressure was affecting group dynamics. Doing dangerous stupid stuff is par for the course, just that now that the consequences hit not you with a killer hangover and no clothes but someone you've probably never met struggling to breathe and with scarred lungs/heart.alterego said:
So that's okay then? Let's all party and fuck those poor sods who die as a consequence.Anabobazina said:
The risks from Covid are minuscule for most people though, so it's more people being emboldened to the reality rather than a "denial of the risks".MarqueeMark said:
Maybe airports are festering plague pits. Maybe Johnny Foreigner has far greater use of aircon than if staying at home.Pulpstar said:
People do seem particularly able to pick it up on foreign trips even if the prevalence is similiar in their holiday country. I guess interactions are upped compared to staying at home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its seems half (I am obviously being slightly hyperbolic) the premier league footballers have it on return from their holidays and only being picked up because they are all being tested e.g. two Man City players today.Anabobazina said:
How many of those cases are sick?RobD said:
Cases really picking up now. I wonder why this wasn't seen in the ONS surveys. Maybe it's a case of more intense but localised clusters, which I would guess are more difficult to pick up via random sampling.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Letting everybody go on a foreign summer holiday in August seems a particular idiotic move, along with the ever changing (it has just changed again) series of "air-bridge" countries.
Or maybe too many people get pissed on holiday and enter a "I don't give a shit" phase of denial about the risks?
Covid-19 just LOVES people consuming alcohol.
Yes, I know the risks to some groups are very high – but these people are a tiny minority of the population.
It does look rather an unpleasant and self-centred stance.
Its a period in their lives when lifelong friends are made, marriages formed and the crisis might last several years- denying that social life and partying is important to the countrys sons and daughters is the unpleasant and self centred stance.
You're jumping the shark now.
Just ask yourself which is better. Our track & trace app or the BBC?
That was rhetorical.0 -
Not much on the US polls this evening. The big news obviously is Rasmussen showing Biden ahead 51-43 in Wisconsin. That's a solid 4% swing to the Democrats and would confirm the CBS /YouGov poll suggesting Biden could now be 10 points ahead.
It's a significant lead as the real campaign begins but the Democrats will be in no way complacent (I wouldn't if I were them).
Another observation is American conservatives seem very well entrenched on the Internet - the Federalist and American Greatness among others have writers who are totally subservient to Trump and will slam Biden for anything and everything.
The question will be IF Trump goes down to defeat in two months what lessons (if any) they will draw from the vote. I imagine some will claim "the Left" has somehow subverted American democracy. Others may take a more sanguine approach.0 -
Really, really glad you enjoyed it. Magnanimity in victory, and all that.Philip_Thompson said:
LOL.northern_monkey said:
This is true. Johnson and his government are going to fuck this country. They’re going to fuck Remainers. They’re going to fuck all the red wallers whose xenophobia the two Leave campaigns so successfully played on.FF43 said:
I am less sure of that. As long as he can keep his Brexiteer minority together Johnson can safely ignore the majority. At the very least he and advisers believe this to be case.CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I said above, I believe that splits as soon as Brexit becomes defined.FF43 said:
Johnson got the plurality of the votes (ie more than anyone else), but only a minority of the total. Essentially Johnson engineered a takeover of the Conservative Party by UKIP/Brexit Party thus consolidating the Leave minority. While the neo-Remain majority is split across several parties. As long as that split stays, Johnson sits pretty.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Then why does YG poll say the majority don't support this proposal?Philip_Thompson said:
Majority of the vote doesn't matter.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Did he get a majority of the vote in 2019? No.Philip_Thompson said:
They are. "There is only one poll that matters".CorrectHorseBattery said:
You were acting yesterday like Brits were behind Johnson and his Brexit planPhilip_Thompson said:
So only two to one?Scott_xP said:
Given the way people act with such hysteria over No Deal you'd think it'd be a landslide the other way not just two to one.
Johnson won the polls that mattered (the referendum and the election), now he needs to do whatever he thinks is best, subject to Parliamentary approval where appropriate - then be judged or damned in four years time on the results of that.
Therefore you have no ability to say he has majority support for his Brexit plan
He got million more votes than any alternative. Therefore Britain has backed him.
They’re going to fuck everyone because they think that out of the ashes they can build the kind of society that gets the right wing tumescent. With the kind of policies that would never win an election.
They’re going to sorrowfully point at the remains of what was the economy, wiping away their crocodile tears, and cut, cut, cut. Cut taxes, cut the NHS, cut workers’ rights. All the things that these red wallers really, when it comes down to it, care more about then a bit of fucking sovereignty.
And they’ll be able to say ‘well, this is Brexit, this is what people voted for.’
People didn’t vote for No Deal, indeed we were told it would be the easiest deal in history, but we know Johnson, Cummings; Farage, etc, etc, don’t give a fuck about normal people. They convinced just enough low information voters that they care, but they don’t really. They know Brexit won’t answer the grievances of the red wallers, of working class people across the country, who lent this government their votes. But it will be too late. It will, at least, please the Tory shires and it will please the government’s hedge fund backers.
They’ll be happy to wreak havoc now, lose the next election and saddle Labour with the task of dealing with Scottish independence and Irish reunification. Then blame Labour for that collective shit show and eventually regain power and finally get what they’ve always wanted, a spiteful, jingoistic, xenophobic right-wing hell-hole. Small government, low taxes, laissez-faire, fuck anyone who needs income support, who needs the NHS, fuck them all. They don’t deserve it, they’re little people, losers, not like us.
Little England here we come.
I'm not normally one for the whole "making them cry" kind of politics but then I read something so over the top, so silly, so overly faux upset and it makes me smile.
Reading something as dramatically OTT as this I must confess brings me a little schadenfreude.1 -
No, I'm pointing out that many Labour MPs in Leave constituencies gambled that they could obstruct and, ultimately, halt Brexit in the hung parliament of 2017-19 by repeatedly voting down May's Deal in an unholy alliance with the hard Brexiteers.Gallowgate said:
You guys are obsessed. You’re proving @stodge ’s point in his brilliant post. You dont care about the big questions about Brexit, you just want to continue to get one over on the”remoaners”.Casino_Royale said:
Indeed, they gambled on double or quits.CarlottaVance said:
As many of us pointed out at the time:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1303032062874705920?s=20
They got double.
Many of us pointed out this was foolhardy at the time, and wouldn't end well for them. And so it came to pass.
I have none of the characteristics you describe. I defended May's Deal to the hilt, said it should be voted for on every occasion. I have made clear the need for a compromise time and time again. I have posted my ideas on the big questions on here many times, and my suggestions for a constructive way forward. Even my profile picture illustrates my belief that we need a new positive UK-EU relationship: I do not favour no deal.
Your behaviour (in its inverse) more accurately describes yourself, which you project onto others who disagree with you because you can't understand why they too wouldn't act the same as you.5 -
I tend to blame hard Brexiteers for Hard Brexit. I'm just a simple guy.CarlottaVance said:
As many of us pointed out at the time:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not the most surprising news but again he supported TM dealHYUFD said:Hammond comes out firmly against No Deal
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989827965702145?s=20
https://twitter.com/PhilipHammondUK/status/1302989829358137344?s=20
The opportunity was there
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1303032062874705920?s=20
Never understood those that say Hard Brexit is the fault of Remainers. But I now support those hard Brexiteers who also rejected May's Deal. I'm sure it makes sense to you....0 -
Apparently, pointing this out makes you an obsessive hard Brexiteer loon.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You might note that Gloria De Peiro was a red wall labour mp and it is she calling herself an idiot for not passing TM's deal when she and her colleagues had the chanceWhisperingOracle said:The very transparent attempt to shift the blame for Brexit to Labour MP's is one of PB's eccentricities - just an inevitable quirk of the preponderance of right-leaning views on here really.
This is not an eccentricity it is actually a widely recognised opportunity lost to be in a much better Brexit position than now
Or something..5 -
Remember though Hillary had a 7% average poll lead in Wisconsin on eve of poll in 2016 yet Trump won it, the state polls there were hopeless, the worst in the USstodge said:Not much on the US polls this evening. The big news obviously is Rasmussen showing Biden ahead 51-43 in Wisconsin. That's a solid 4% swing to the Democrats and would confirm the CBS /YouGov poll suggesting Biden could now be 10 points ahead.
It's a significant lead as the real campaign begins but the Democrats will be in no way complacent (I wouldn't if I were them).
Another observation is American conservatives seem very well entrenched on the Internet - the Federalist and American Greatness among others have writers who are totally subservient to Trump and will slam Biden for anything and everything.
The question will be IF Trump goes down to defeat in two months what lessons (if any) they will draw from the vote. I imagine some will claim "the Left" has somehow subverted American democracy. Others may take a more sanguine approach.0 -
Or something it is, because BigG. Is not an obsessive hard Brexiteer.Casino_Royale said:
Apparently, pointing this out makes you an obsessive hard Brexiteer loon.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You might note that Gloria De Peiro was a red wall labour mp and it is she calling herself an idiot for not passing TM's deal when she and her colleagues had the chanceWhisperingOracle said:The very transparent attempt to shift the blame for Brexit to Labour MP's is one of PB's eccentricities - just an inevitable quirk of the preponderance of right-leaning views on here really.
This is not an eccentricity it is actually a widely recognised opportunity lost to be in a much better Brexit position than now
Or something..0
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